Buck out of rifled barrel?


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Archangel14
May 23, 2013, 12:03 AM
Will I damage a rifled barrel is I shoot buck through it?

don't call me stupid.....I really don't know the answer. Thanks.

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7.62 Nato
May 23, 2013, 01:14 AM
I don't know any way shooting shot out of a rifled barrel will damage it. Your shot pattern will be donut shaped with a void in the center. The rifling will spin the shot charge. Expansion of the shot charge once out of the barrel will be extremely fast (read inneffective).

kyhunter
May 23, 2013, 01:24 AM
it wont damage the rifling but may cause leading. The lead is softer than steel by far.
Your pattern will be donut shaped and hollow in the middle which isn't a good thing.
It will shoot but may not be effective. Only testing will prove this

gamestalker
May 23, 2013, 04:59 AM
It won't damage the rifling, but patterns are going to be unpredictable at best. Probably the best approach would be to pattern a few at 10 yds, 20 yds., and 30 yds, and see what you get. But honestly, I wouldn't expect it will do worth a darn out past 10 yds., but who knows, patterns may turn out half decent too?

GS

bikerdoc
May 23, 2013, 05:43 AM
I did try it years ago, at 25 yds got a big donut about 3 foot around with nothing in the middle. You wont damage it but it is a worthless effort, imo.

And: The only stupid question is the one not asked, so dont apologize for being curious. None of us came here knowing it all, and most of us can learn a thing or two every day.
That is why THR is so fantanstic.

Fred Fuller
May 23, 2013, 11:22 AM
Might lead it up, but won't really damage the barrel.

Won't do much for your patterns though - spinning a shot charge, even slowly, tends to disperse it much faster.

See http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot43.htm

Archangel14
May 23, 2013, 11:33 AM
Hmmmm.....but what about social situations within, say, 10 to 50 yards? You'd have the benefit of a rifled barrel for slugs. But how would shot work on two legged varmints who are up to no good?

I'm trying to put together a nice defense shotgun and am simply weighing my options.

allaroundhunter
May 23, 2013, 11:36 AM
Hmmmm.....but what about social situations within, say, 10 to 50 yards? You'd have the benefit of a rifled barrel for slugs. But how would shot work on two legged varmints who are up to no good?

I'm trying to put together a nice defense shotgun and am simply weighing my options.

Just use rifled slugs out of a smooth bore barrel. Accuracy put to 50 yards is still plenty good to hit a deer or a two-legged critter who is up to no good. Forget about the rifled barrel for that purpose, those are for slug hunters shooting out past 100 yards.

Carl N. Brown
May 23, 2013, 11:43 AM
I would see the extra cleaning to get lead out of the rifling the biggest problem. If I wanted to shoot buckshot, I would get a spare smoothbore barrel personally for shot and for conventional rifled slugs (Foster type).

Kicks are for Trids, rifled shotgun barrels are for saboted slugs, not for shot and not for conventional lead Foster slugs (those big lead badminton birdies).

Mamertine
May 23, 2013, 11:54 AM
a bit off topic, but is buck shot packed in a wad?

oneounceload
May 23, 2013, 11:58 AM
Hmmmm.....but what about social situations within, say, 10 to 50 yards? You'd have the benefit of a rifled barrel for slugs. But how would shot work on two legged varmints who are up to no good?

I'm trying to put together a nice defense shotgun and am simply weighing my options.

Maybe 10-50 FEET, not yards. If you want to shoot buck, get a smoothbore barrel

a bit off topic, but is buck shot packed in a wad?

If you mean a plastic shot cup, yes. (There are also fiber wads that do not utilize a shot cup)

kBob
May 23, 2013, 01:41 PM
I would really like to see some tests with many shots on say Florida 8 targets at 7 yards or even 5 yards. I am talking inside the house ranges. May be the rifled bore could make the shotgun with buckshot for home defense more like they are portrayed in movies and gun shops.

-kBob

Fred Fuller
May 23, 2013, 02:10 PM
Almost all smoothbores will shoot rifled slugs acceptably out to 100 yards or so, with sights and in the hands of a capable shooter. It may take a little experimentation to discover what brand of slug a particular barrel likes (I've had the best luck across the board with Brenneke KOs, but that may not work for you) but a rifled barrel is not a necessity to shoot slugs. A smoothbore however pretty much IS a necessity for buckshot.

a bit off topic, but is buck shot packed in a wad?

Not necessarily IN a wad. It depends on the brand and load. Some loads (S&B for example) have soft lead pellets, unprotected by buffering or a shot collar, loaded over fiber wads and held in place with a card or plastic top wad in a roll crimp. Better quality and more expensive buckshot loads have harder lead alloy or plated pellets, plastic buffering and a shot cup or a shot collar, or even a one piece plastic wad and shot cup. Premium loads have a special one piece wad (FliteControl) plus buffering, hard lead alloy plated pellets and a star crimp. So you can pretty much choose a pattern by choosing the load you shoot, IF you have access to a wide variety of buckshot that is.

rsrocket1
May 26, 2013, 12:09 PM
17" pattern at 5 yards, not so good (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot43_2.htm)

Fred Fuller
May 26, 2013, 02:48 PM
rocket,

All too often it isn't just the overall size of a buckshot pattern out of a rifled barrel that is an issue - many rifled barrels produce 'donut' patterns, with a hole in the center. Look at the 12 yard BOT pattern at your link...

hardluk1
May 27, 2013, 08:57 AM
If you have a average American made shot gun you can probably pick up a used beater smooth bore tube cheaply. Shooting shot in a rifled bore is not a good idea. At 12 yards you may not take the fight out of the bg fast enough to stop him from....

If several shot is wanted rather than a slug maybe Dixie Tri-Ball is worth a try. They are 3 stacked 60 cal balls so spin should not hurt them at typical defence distances. They are a serious hog & deer killer at shorter hunting ranges.

http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html

rsrocket1
May 27, 2013, 09:50 PM
Fred, yes I did.
I'm not sure if you thought that I was implying the idea was good. What I meant was that the 5 yard pattern was already looking bad, the 12 yard pattern was terrible and they didn't even try 25 yards. Personally, I'd feel much more secure with 00 or #4 buckshot in my 1100 skeet gun than in a rifled barrel.

Skribs
May 28, 2013, 02:18 PM
I'm pretty sure rifled barrels are used in the shotguns in video games, it would explain how they pattern...

kBob
May 28, 2013, 03:15 PM
Actually those two Box o truth shots looked pretty good for what I was thinking.

I one shotgun class I took the instructor noted that the maximum range for use of our smooth bores was where the majority of the shot still hit the kneeling man target.

This happened even at 12 yards with the box o truth examples.

With traditional buckshot in a smooth bore spread averages with cylinder or IC choke about one inch per yard (per FBI study and my experience).

Certainly the Federal FC stuff (when the average joe can find it) is great for beating the heck out of the old spread rule....but is that what one wants for home alone Mom?

Try moving that pattern around on that five yard target. Mom could conceivably intirelly miss with a load of nine traditional shell buckshot in a smooth bore yet still get three to six hits with the rifles bore from 15 feet away. My house has really big bedrooms, but 15 feet is about it for anywhere to the door way.

I personally would rather see Jane Doe that is struggleing with a flashlight, phone and a kid or two in addition to her home defense gun get three or more 33 caliber ball at slightly super sonic velocity hits than 9 good solid misses...... and look if she does manage to hold COM at five yards she still gets a whole load on target.

See what I am saying here?

As to to Foster or Benneke slugs in smooth bores....yeah buddy! With a Ghost ring Mossberg I have shot more than a couple of 3 to 4 inch groups at 50 yards and keep 'em all at least touching the A zone at 100 meters. Twilll serve, twill serve.

No doubt a rifled 12 gauge with appropriate sabot slugs could beat that. On the other hand if a guy hunts with a rifled 12 gauge it does not look like he is exactly leaving the wife and kids un armed when loading up the rifled hunting gun with 00 buck for across the room situations at all.

-kBob

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