Enfield Jungle Carbine


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monotonous_iterancy
May 25, 2013, 03:23 PM
I was at the flea market today, and I saw someone selling an Enfield "Jungle Carbine" in great condition for $600. I won't lie, it was tempting. The bluing was good, the stock was awesome, although it had a scope on it. I asked if it was possible to remove the scope, and he showed me the rear sight, and said he wanted an extra $50 for it. That seems awfully overpriced for a sight piece.

So is this worth $600? I've heard that there are few actual real ones.

He also had a Mexican mauser in 7x57. $400. There was paper next to it that said it's a rare Mauser.

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jj1962hemi
May 25, 2013, 03:25 PM
I think you can find several Jungle Carbines in nice shape for $4-700. The $400 for the Mauser seems high.

rcmodel
May 25, 2013, 03:28 PM
http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12002476/

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11847924/

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11957889/

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12040277/

rc

monotonous_iterancy
May 25, 2013, 03:36 PM
Wow, those make what I found seem way overpriced.

Seanski
May 25, 2013, 03:47 PM
Also depends whether you want an original factory-made for collectability purposes or a conversion to shoot the heck out of. There are far more of the latter than the former. Caveat emptor and do your research if you're looking for the real deal.

dprice3844444
May 25, 2013, 03:51 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=343105149 505.00 so far

Numeric
May 25, 2013, 06:55 PM
$400 for an actual Mexican Mauser is a decent price, depending on condition and which model it is.

monotonous_iterancy
May 25, 2013, 08:10 PM
^ The Mauser was in pretty good condition. It had a crest on the receiver in Spanish. That's all I know about it.

Robert
May 25, 2013, 08:15 PM
Was the Enfield a real Enfield or was it an RFI?

chicharrones
May 25, 2013, 09:03 PM
I asked if it was possible to remove the scope, and he showed me the rear sight, and said he wanted an extra $50 for it. That seems awfully overpriced for a sight piece.

I think the seller is bass ackwards for wanting to sell the carbine with the scope, but won't sell the original rear sight without adding money. He ought to sell the carbine without the scope, but with the rear sight for no extra money.

monotonous_iterancy
May 25, 2013, 09:22 PM
Was the Enfield a real Enfield or was it an RTI?

I don't know, how do you tell?

dprice3844444
May 25, 2013, 09:26 PM
look for italic writing on the flat side of the receiver

hang fire
May 26, 2013, 04:22 AM
I was at the flea market today, and I saw someone selling an Enfield "Jungle Carbine" in great condition for $600. I won't lie, it was tempting. The bluing was good, the stock was awesome, although it had a scope on it. I asked if it was possible to remove the scope, and he showed me the rear sight, and said he wanted an extra $50 for it. That seems awfully overpriced for a sight piece.

So is this worth $600? I've heard that there are few actual real ones.

He also had a Mexican mauser in 7x57. $400. There was paper next to it that said it's a rare Mauser.
If not "VERY" familiar with them, buyer beware when it comes to No. 5 MK 1 "Jungle Carbines. Some people have the faking of Mk 4 rifles into No. 5 MK I "Jungle Carbines down to an art.

scaatylobo
May 26, 2013, 09:56 AM
Not only are there a bazzilion faked SMLE 'jungle' carbines.

I read up on the one I had [ past tense ] and found it was made lighter by REMOVING metal from the receiver.

that made me shoot it a couple of times and then sell it [ for a decent profit at 450.00 ].

Beware all Mil-Spec old rifles IF they have not been vetted with a go/no go gauge , to see if the chamber is safe to shoot.

I still shoot and enjoy the 2 Mosin's of the '44' variant that I got back when they were reasonable.Wish I had found a Polish model.

Robert
May 26, 2013, 11:03 AM
The makers mark and date will appear on the band that connects the butt stock to the rifle. If it says something like RFI 1967 then it is a Indian made .308 not a real No.5 Jungle Carbine. The base plate on the butt stock on a No.5 includes a sling point on the side where as the RFI rifles uses two standard stock mounted sling swivels.

Clark
May 26, 2013, 01:36 PM
In 1963 I heard the owner of a sporting goods store say that a Jungle Carbine was worth a lot of extra money.

One can imagine what has gone on since then.

bannockburn
May 26, 2013, 01:57 PM
I bought an original Jungle Carbine in good condition over 30 years ago. I seem to remember paying around $150 for it back then. Handy little rifle to carry but recoil and muzzle blast were quite ferocious. I eventually sold it, along with a used AMT .380 Backup, for a new Colt Mustang.

rcmodel
May 26, 2013, 02:32 PM
but recoil and muzzle blast were quite ferocious.You can say that again.
I had one once about 40 years ago, but didn't keep it long.

Shooting the WWII surplus cordite loads of the time, I had to be careful I didn't start a grass fire from the huge fireballs.

And the smaller then butt-plate hard rubber 'recoil' pad made it hurt even worse.

rc

Liberty1776
May 26, 2013, 04:39 PM
annybuddy wanna hear about when my dad bought ours in '66-'67 at the local Army Navy surplus store in Fontana, WI and paid $18 for it, still in the arsenal wrap with cosmoline...?

It was our only farm rifle ever...

Steel Horse Rider
May 27, 2013, 12:09 AM
I paid about $275 for a Gibbs Quest Rifle which was a nickle plated reworked #5 about 5 years ago. It was still new in the box. It was so much fun to shoot that I had to acquire a couple of Number 4's and am in search of a #1...... In my opinion it is overpriced.

monotonous_iterancy
May 27, 2013, 03:53 PM
I bought an original Jungle Carbine in good condition over 30 years ago. I seem to remember paying around $150 for it back then. Handy little rifle to carry but recoil and muzzle blast were quite ferocious. I eventually sold it, along with a used AMT .380 Backup, for a new Colt Mustang.

How does it compare to an short barreled Mosin Nagant?

Steel Horse Rider
May 27, 2013, 05:22 PM
The blast from my Gibbs is not as bad as the Mosin Carbine, in my opinion. I have fired both of them.

rondog
May 27, 2013, 06:41 PM
I found mine in a pawn shop for $150, and it's a real one. All numbers match, and no import markings. Has been D&T'd for the scope mount, but that doesn't bother me, not at $150! This find was a fluke and stroke of luck, of course, but I'm glad I bought it. I thought it was a No.5, but wasn't positive. I had to Google some photos first before I jumped. But it's genuine, not a modified No.4 or a Gibbs.

I honestly think the pawn shop had no idea what it was, it's such a strange looking little thing. I even thought it was some Bubba's hacksaw job until I started looking real close. The flash suppressor and the short handguard really look odd and out of place. I picked it up and thought "WTH is this thing?"

I'd post a photo but I've already posted it here a dozen times.

Ignition Override
May 27, 2013, 11:16 PM
On my Enfield #5s, this detail is subtle, but different from all three of my #4s.
In front of the magazine, the metal/wood contour shape surrounding the fwd. trigger action screw is slightly different.
Kind of like a figure 8, but Not pronounced.

I have three #4s and nobody ever mentions this difference.
Again, it takes a comparison to notice it.

ApacheCoTodd
May 28, 2013, 12:30 AM
...but recoil and muzzle blast were quite ferocious.
Yours must have been missing that wonderfully effective hockey puck butt-pad and flash enhancer, er, I mean hider.

Ignition Override
May 29, 2013, 02:12 AM
A small 1" recoil pad makes my Jungles' recoil feel like that of my bare Yugo Mauser, and maybe a bit milder.

HexHead
May 29, 2013, 09:30 AM
Beware all Mil-Spec old rifles IF they have not been vetted with a go/no go gauge , to see if the chamber is safe to shoot.



SAMMI Go/ No-Go gauges are pretty useless on Enfields, which used Mil-Spec gauges. I researched the specs and ended up having a Mil-Spec field gauge custom made. Essentially the SAMMI no-go and field gauges are the equivalent to the Mil-Spec Go and No-Go gauges.

shinz
June 23, 2013, 05:03 AM
For an easy way to overcome recoil on a No.5 without affecting its originality, ie, it can be put back to original, see a thread I made herehttp://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=591979. Something too that no-one else has mentioned afaik is that No.5s were painted rather than blued or parkerized, the better to resist the hot steamy climate found in the CBI where they were designed for, the rifles designation was scribed into the painted finish by hand with a carbide vibrating scriber on the left of the action. Even where they have worn the paint will show around the metal that shows thru, see the butt socket & butt pad retainer on my one in the other thread.
Steve.

Hummer70
June 23, 2013, 08:08 AM
I have had two of them, both with serial numbers like 75 apart and mint condition. I found a home for both because of the recoil. Even shooting from the hip the recoil caused the bolt knob to ram into the knuckle of my trigger finger. With military ammo I found the accuracy to not be up to what I would have liked. They are though a nice looking little rifle.

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