Should I? Ruger MkII barrel recrowning...


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Orion8472
May 29, 2013, 12:36 PM
I'm having my Mk II Bull Barrel recrowned [not done yet, but talked to the smith about it]. He is going to take that 45 degree part [at the end of the barrel] off so it is flat, rather than how it looks from Ruger.

The question is, . . . Though I was wanting a flat barrel end, being that it is a Mk II Government Target Model, would that be "a no-no" for you all? I don't ever plan on selling this gun. Love it. Just wanted a flat barrel rather than the current end design. Purely asthetics.

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JohnM
May 29, 2013, 12:58 PM
I sure wouldn't, unless the crown was damaged.

Orion8472
May 29, 2013, 01:17 PM
No damage, just thought it would look better flat.

rcmodel
May 29, 2013, 01:21 PM
I would leave it alone too.

The crown it has helps prevent holster damage, and dings on the sharp edge that would be there if you face it off flat.

rc

JohnM
May 29, 2013, 01:26 PM
I've got a number of target crowned barrels. None have a deep cone leading into the final crown though.
I wonder if Ruger had some good reasons for going that way.
If you know a GOOD gunsmith who knows how to crown the bore properly it shouldn't hurt anything, but I'm sure some would see it as ruining collector value on a gun.

rcmodel
May 29, 2013, 01:30 PM
I believe the taper he is referring too is on the outer edge of the muzzle.
To break the sharp outside edge of the muzzle.

I also believe his actual crown is flat across the muzzle.

rc

Orion8472
May 29, 2013, 01:43 PM
rc, . . . you are right that I was referring to the outer edge of the muzzle. However, the crown itself is not flat. It has a bit of an angle to it. I would have the smith take off the outer edge to flat and have him recess at the bore [like some target barrels do], and leave the actual bore sharp.

JRH6856
May 29, 2013, 01:59 PM
My opinion (since you asked) ;)

How a accurately gun shoots is more important than how it looks

Barrel crown is important to how accurately a gun shoots.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

rcmodel
May 29, 2013, 02:03 PM
Not supposed to be staring at muzzles anyway! :D

rc

Orion8472
May 29, 2013, 03:09 PM
Sounds like the word is . . . "no". I'll keep it as it is then.

Pilot
May 29, 2013, 04:23 PM
Good move keeping it as is.

B. Adams
May 29, 2013, 05:11 PM
If it was mine, I probably wouldn't change it.

But if I was going to change it, I'd get the barrel threaded for a suppressor. It would be much more useful to me that way, but maybe that's just me.

ku4hx
May 29, 2013, 05:26 PM
If you're convinced he'll do a good job, you can afford it, it's your gun, you know you'll like it .... why not? Given all the "mods" I see and read about, this one is rather innocuous. As long as it doesn't affect accuracy, I don't see this as any different from the "melting" job I saw not too long ago.

Carl N. Brown
May 29, 2013, 05:44 PM
I like the tapered outside bevel on the end of a Ruger bull barrel. All the used ones I have seen don't show holster wear of the bluing of the barrel as I would expect to see if the barrel had a sharper flat cut end; also I expect the 45 bevel does not wear the holster as much as a sharper edge would do.

Orion8472
May 29, 2013, 11:58 PM
I talked to my gunsmith and call off the lathe work. Still having it Cerakoted to match a 10/22.

Probably better to keep the actual metal factory.

Orion8472
May 30, 2013, 09:40 AM
ku4hx, he IS a great gunsmith, . . . he WOULD do a great job, . . . and I would like it. Maybe I should learn to just do what I want and worry less about what others say. :rolleyes:

I'll let you all see when it comes back from the smith. If nothing else, the Cerakote and black laminate grip will look awesome next to my 10/22 [getting the same Cerakote] with it's grey laminate stock.

Jessie James 58
May 30, 2013, 10:01 AM
Do not do it!! The crown of a gun is one of the most important parts of a accurate gun. If the crown is damaged even in a small way your gun will not shoot as well as it dose now!

Orion8472
May 30, 2013, 10:29 AM
Well, . . . it really DOES shoot quite accurately.

Walt Sherrill
May 30, 2013, 11:40 AM
If your proposed change is for looks, there's no reason the gunsmith can't recrown the muzzle after he has trivially shortened the barrel (to make it look better).

The crown is the area at the end of the barrel where the rifling (lands/grooves) ends -- that should be redone when the barrel is shortened, anyway. Recutting a chamfer/bevel that matches what was there before the barrel shortening should have no effect on accuracy, and could possible improve it, if there was any damage there before hand.

Do it. It's not a big deal.

Orion8472
May 30, 2013, 01:45 PM
Walt, . . . thanks for the input. The gunsmith is top notch. Accuracy could only improve.

JohnM
May 30, 2013, 02:04 PM
It's yer gun, if the original Ruger muzzle bugs you that much; lop it off.
Still don't think I would, especially if the rest of the gun is in nice shape unless there was some real damage to the crown.

JRH6856
May 30, 2013, 02:15 PM
FWIW, before and after?

Vern Humphrey
May 30, 2013, 02:53 PM
No damage, just thought it would look better flat.
A wise man once said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Walt Sherrill
May 30, 2013, 02:58 PM
A wise man once said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I generally agree with this statement, but...

Try telling that to your wife when she gets a new hair style or hair color. It's that sort of thing...

She thinks it's broke. So does he. <grin>

rcmodel
May 30, 2013, 03:00 PM
I still say a flat-faced muzzle will lead to more holster wear, bluing wear, and a dinged muzzle edge sooner, if not later.

They beveled the sharp edge off like that for a reason.

rc

ku4hx
May 30, 2013, 03:55 PM
ku4hx, he IS a great gunsmith, . . . he WOULD do a great job, . . . and I would like it. Maybe I should learn to just do what I want and worry less about what others say. :rolleyes:
There you go. He does good work and you trust him .... mod it!

As to doing you're own thing and not worrying about what others say, I'll allow this. If you'd just done it and then posted pictures of the fine job he did, most (if not all) of the responses would have been, "Great job", "Looks great" and etc. We all seen that time and time again.

Vern Humphrey
May 30, 2013, 04:45 PM
I generally agree with this statement, but...

Try telling that to your wife when she gets a new hair style or hair color. It's that sort of thing...

She thinks it's broke. So is he. <grin>

Fixed it for you.:D

Orion8472
May 30, 2013, 07:42 PM
This isn't a gun I put in a holster and am very careful with it, so it wouldn't be much of an issue with this one. As for how it would look, it wouldn't just be flat. I would be having a target crown done on it.

Does the bevel bug me? Enough. I don't hate it, but prefer the look of a target crown.

ColtPythonElite
May 30, 2013, 08:05 PM
Ain't no way I would recrown or put an applied finish on a Government Model.

JRH6856
May 30, 2013, 08:12 PM
??? What Government is a Ruger Mk II a model of???

rcmodel
May 30, 2013, 08:19 PM
It refers to the grip angle being the same as a 1911.

Instead of being raked back like a German Luger on a Standard model.

And gooberment owned Ruger's were used by the goberment in the Army AMU match unit I was in in 1968-70. Along with High-Standard Trophy's and Model 41 S&W's.

rc

Orion8472
May 30, 2013, 08:30 PM
The grip angle isn't 1911-ish. That's the 22/45, isn't it?

As for the finish, it hasn't had the original blued finish on it in years.

rcmodel
May 30, 2013, 08:34 PM
You are right.

However, it was the Ruger used by the military pistol teams back then.
When they used Ruger's at all.

The HS Victor & Trophy, and the Model 41 S&W was the one in the winners circle, almost always.

That is probably where the name came from.

rc

Orion8472
May 30, 2013, 08:48 PM
I see. I am unaware of the history.

As for my Ruger, . . . it isn't like I would ever sell it, so whatever has already been done to it wouldn't take away from the sale potential. Again, it isn't going anywhere.

Also, the original finish was WELL worn and a new finish was added years ago. It is far from original. If it were all original, with original deep blue finish, I would not do anything to it, . . . but how it was, when I got it, . . . was not in a great condition.

JRH6856
May 30, 2013, 09:34 PM
If it were all original, with original deep blue finish, I would not do anything to it, . . . but how it was, when I got it, . . . was not in a great condition.

Perhaps there is nothing to lose then. As for the target crown, I'm holding in my hands a Ruger Standard with a Jim Clark target barrel that doesn't look bad. If it was good enough for Jim Clark... ;)

ColtPythonElite
May 30, 2013, 09:40 PM
I would send it back to Ruger for a reblue. Their price is very reasonable. $85 if I recall correctly.

Walt Sherrill
May 30, 2013, 09:51 PM
She thinks it's broke. So is he. <grin>
Fixed it for you.

Good one. :)

Orion8472
May 30, 2013, 10:05 PM
ColtPythonElite, it has a Duracoat finish on it already. Also, not sure if they would do anything to the Volq. trigger mods.

ColtPythonElite
May 30, 2013, 11:34 PM
Bead blasting the Duracoat should be no problem. I doubt if they would take out your VQ parts and replace them. If you were worried about it, you could send it with the lower stripped.

tuj
May 31, 2013, 09:23 AM
The real question is 'how is it shooting?' If its shooting ok, I wouldn't touch the crown. I re-crowned a Savage MKII in hopes of getting better accuracy out of it, but that was only after the rifle wouldn't shoot well with any ammos or other things I tried. If you do recrown, I would suggest a 11-degree target crown.

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