Korth semi auto: need your opinion.


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el Godfather
May 29, 2013, 04:59 PM
Dear THR:
I would like to know if Korth semi-autos are worth buying? They are approximately between 5-9k. Who here knows something about their quality and craftsmanship to shed some light on this topic?


Thank you

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Kiln
May 29, 2013, 05:08 PM
I doubt many (if any) own them here.

They're supposed to be completely custom built from very high quality parts but honestly I think they're more of a status symbol for people than anything. Like big diamonds on a ring or a nice sports car.

If I could easily afford one I would buy one because they're very nice guns but for the most part, I doubt it does anything better than a $1500 custom pistol.

Jim Watson
May 29, 2013, 05:35 PM
The only actual owner I know of is bc1023 on this board.

The last time you asked in the form of a poll with a number of expensive pistols, he said of the Korth: "Awesome gun."

He describes it at some length at:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1438148&highlight=Korth

Maybe he will discuss it some more this time around.

barnbwt
May 29, 2013, 10:08 PM
They're probably worth 5-9k...the question is do you want one for 5-9k ;). They are even more scarce than well-made; IIRC, there's only a couple hundred or so Korth autos of any sort in existence. I'd swing for the Damascus 357 they made a while back, if any :D

TCB

bc1023
May 29, 2013, 10:16 PM
Godfather, its all about having something exotic and totally different from anything else. They are completely hand built out of solid blocks of steel. They are heavy and extremely high quality. Korth does not base their designs on anything. The auto was designed from the ground up by Willie Korth himself. In fact, he actually built several of the early guns himself.

Are they worth it? For me it was, but I'm a collector of exotic pistols and would imagine I'm in the vast minority in saying that. I've never seen one priced below $8000, so I'm not sure where you're getting one for $5000, unless its in real rough shape. I paid $8500 for mine. There is one on Gunbroker with a BIN price of $9800. Korth USA has a few left brand new for $12000 and up. Less than 300 were ever made and I don't believe Korth is building them anymore. Mine is number 122.



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bc1023
May 29, 2013, 10:57 PM
I will stress the fact that the Korth is a very unique, exotic pistol with build quality second to none. The Korth was built more as a status symbol and a was an effort by Wille Korth to see just how well he could build an auto. Its a great shooting gun, but it was never designed as a target pistol. Its actually a DA/SA pistol.

The Korth was not design with target shooting in mind. It was designed with quality in mind and everything else, including costs, secondary. DO NOT expect it to outshoot serious single action target guns, such as the Sig P210, S&W 952, or Pardini GT9, among others. That would be a very tall order.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/046-3_zpsb3f5a481.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/046-3_zpsb3f5a481.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/040-4_zps29027585.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/040-4_zps29027585.jpg.html)









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http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/016-6_zpscab26aff.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/016-6_zpscab26aff.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/000_0008-4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/000_0008-4.jpg.html)

Royalsalute
May 30, 2013, 12:04 AM
Nice collection.

tarosean
May 30, 2013, 05:15 AM
Interesting with the locking block up front.

shootr
May 30, 2013, 05:30 AM
Very cool!

Bovice
June 1, 2013, 05:09 AM
That's an interesting gun. I've never heard of Korth, but I'm a simpleton.

Guess I better go buy the newest COD, eh tarosean?

el Godfather
June 1, 2013, 08:09 PM
Bc1023
Apart form fine craftsmenship and exotic value in collection, how well does it shoot? I am in market for a korth product. I am undecided whether to buy a revolver of thier semiauto.

19-3Ben
June 1, 2013, 08:13 PM
el Godfather- with your number of posts about the high-end and expensive guns you have considered and that you have bought, I'd love to see some pics. You've got to have one heck of a collection.

raubvogel
June 1, 2013, 09:47 PM
But, Bc1023, its design *has* to be based on Browning's... by definition, right (joke on some people I know who believe it is humanly impossible to make a pistol that is not derived from John Browning's designs)?

rcmodel
June 1, 2013, 09:51 PM
I'd love to see some pics. You've got to have one heck of a collection. Me too!

I've been wanting to see some of that high-end & full-auto stuff in that collection for some time now!! :scrutiny:

rc

Bovice
June 1, 2013, 10:23 PM
Me too!

I've been wanting to see some of that high-end & full-auto stuff in that collection for some time now!! :scrutiny:

rc
I'll second that.

Vulcan71
June 2, 2013, 09:14 AM
You have a nice collection bc1023 thank you for sharing.

TennJed
June 3, 2013, 01:35 AM
bc1023, would you consider the Korth any "better made" than the Sig P210, S&W 952, or Pardini GT9?

Bovice
June 3, 2013, 05:21 AM
From what he said in regards to the P210 against the Korth, he says it will not outshoot the P210. From that, I gather that the Korth may be built "just as well" but the features which define it as unique are all that it has going for it. It's one of those "lookie here" guns. If you're after the "one of a kind" appeal, you'd like it.

bc1023
June 3, 2013, 10:57 AM
bc1023, would you consider the Korth any "better made" than the Sig P210, S&W 952, or Pardini GT9?

Hard to say. The slide to frame fit is tighter.

The line looks like it was drawn with a pencil. :)

I would say its probably a better quality gun than the Pardini or Smith. The Swiss P210s are extremely well made with the best parts around though.


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/200/002kvq.jpg

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1642/003djp.jpg

bc1023
June 3, 2013, 11:01 AM
Bc1023
Apart form fine craftsmenship and exotic value in collection, how well does it shoot? I am in market for a korth product. I am undecided whether to buy a revolver of thier semiauto.

It shoots very well. However, it really wasn't designed as a target gun. Target pistols are generally single action only. The Korth's trigger really can't match that of some others, because of that. If they were all on a ransom rest, who knows?

bc1023
June 3, 2013, 11:03 AM
Speaking of a real high end target pistol, has anyone ever seen a Delta AR Top Gun?

Its very exotic and very well built with an amazing trigger. Mine is the only one I've ever seen in person. Check out the design in the youtube link. Its was awarded the finest European pistol of 1998. Considering its competition, that's an honor. Its even more rare than the Korth auto and of extreme high quality.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a28_1176246726


Check out the design and sheer quality of the parts in this short video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdD6NXdEWgw


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/079.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/079.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/038-2.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/038-2.jpg.html)

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http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/044-3.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/044-3.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/077-1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/077-1.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/004-4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/004-4.jpg.html)

Ian
June 3, 2013, 11:33 AM
Interesting - the Delta appears to be a roller-locked design. Huh.

Here's another high-end .45, made by a guy named George Wilson in the early 60s:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=184822&stc=1&d=1370269904

Rubber_Duck
June 3, 2013, 04:19 PM
I like this thread a lot already. Keep sharing more of these high-quality, exotic handguns!
:)

jerkface11
June 3, 2013, 11:02 PM
Ian how does that thing work? And how accurate is it?

Ian
June 4, 2013, 01:26 AM
It's a pivoting wedge lock, like a P38. It was very accurate in my hands, but would do much better with a serious bullseye shooter. Outstanding trigger, great sights - it's a very well thought-out gun, made by a guy who was a serious shooter himself. I have a video on shooting and disassembly of it, which I'll be posting in a month or two.

bc1023
June 4, 2013, 07:07 PM
That's very cool, Ian. :cool:

bc1023
June 4, 2013, 07:11 PM
I like this thread a lot already. Keep sharing more of these high-quality, exotic handguns!

How is this one for you?

Wolf SV Ultramatic :)

Its a very unique design and high quality with an amazing trigger. Its all carbon steel construction and made in Austria.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/023-5.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/023-5.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/026-2.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/026-2.jpg.html)




Here's another rare and very high quality target pistol. The all steel, single action only Beretta Steel I :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/107.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/107.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/110.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/110.jpg.html)

19-3Ben
June 4, 2013, 08:08 PM
Ok guys, field trip to bc's house...

Dentite
June 5, 2013, 12:56 AM
This is a great thread. Learning and drooling over the photos...thanks for sharing.

JohnKSa
June 5, 2013, 01:18 AM
I had a chance to buy a Beretta Steel one time--probably should have...

Orion8472
June 5, 2013, 11:59 AM
I really like this thread, too. Fascinating rare autos.

:)

Arp32
June 6, 2013, 01:37 AM
This thread inspires lots of jealousy!

5-SHOTS
June 7, 2013, 07:58 AM
bc1023, you have the finest collection I've ever seen.
Speaking of a real high end target pistol, has anyone ever seen a Delta AR Top Gun?
The Delta AR Top Gun is an italian made pistol based on the locked breech design of the CZ VZOR 52. It's offered in 9x19, 9x21 IMI, .40 S&W and .45 ACP caliber. It's so mysterious that I don't even know how to order it here in Italy (assuming I had the money...).
IMHO the Korth is the better made pistol on the planet.

moxie
June 7, 2013, 09:39 AM
Gotta love that wood backstrap!!

bc1023
June 7, 2013, 11:09 AM
While we're at it, here's another rare and very accurate pistol. Its the HK P9S Sport.

Unlike the standard P9S, these only function in single action. They are hard to come by and tend to bring some big money. HK didn't build many. The Sport model also comes with a standard slide and standard grips.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/002_zps9d5b672f.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/002_zps9d5b672f.jpg.html)

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bc1023
June 7, 2013, 11:20 AM
Here's a modern masterpiece that's still in production today. The Sig Sauer X-Five L1 :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/099.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/099.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/102.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/102.jpg.html)







While I prefer my Swiss models among my P210s, but I also own a new Sig Sauer P210 Legend Target. Its outstanding.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/027-3_zps907d8992.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/027-3_zps907d8992.jpg.html)

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Orion8472
June 7, 2013, 12:56 PM
More awsome gun pics! I wouldn't be able to afford them . . . and the best I have is a customized CZ SP-01 [competition hammer and converted to a single action trigger of about 2 1/2 lb. pull]. No where near the elegance of those on this page, . . . so no pics.

9mmepiphany
June 7, 2013, 05:11 PM
Here's a modern masterpiece that's still in production today. The Sig Sauer X-Five L1 :cool:
Here's one you should have as a companion piece....a friend in the Bay Area is liquidating his collection

It is a X-Five L-1, but it has been refinished by the factory in Nitron

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/9mmepiphany/Orans%20Pistols/LewsPistols047.jpg (http://s109.photobucket.com/user/9mmepiphany/media/Orans%20Pistols/LewsPistols047.jpg.html)

or maybe his Swiss 210 with the extended barrel

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/9mmepiphany/Orans%20Pistols/LewsPistols051.jpg (http://s109.photobucket.com/user/9mmepiphany/media/Orans%20Pistols/LewsPistols051.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 8, 2013, 12:02 AM
Very nice

I especially like the P210-5.

bc1023
June 8, 2013, 12:32 AM
How about some very rare Smith & Wesson Performance Center pistols? :cool:

Here is the 845...


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/020-1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/020-1.jpg.html)

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This one is called the Comp 40. It was based off a 3rd gen model and was only available through Lew Horton. I believe only 150 were ever produced and I've never seen another. Its one of the most rare handguns I own.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/014-5.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/014-5.jpg.html)

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PabloJ
June 8, 2013, 12:40 AM
I would add MAB PAP F-1 to that wonderful collection.

tarosean
June 8, 2013, 03:47 AM
I'm a collector of exotic pistols and would imagine I'm in the vast minority in saying that.


So I have to ask bc... What is your Grail gun?

bc1023
June 8, 2013, 08:36 AM
So I have to ask bc... What is your Grail gun?

Well, it was the Korth auto before I got one.

My other grail gun was always the Korriphila HSP 701. I've had a few leads over the years, but not the exact configuration I want.

http://korriphila.com/waffe1_bild2.html

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/korriphila-e.html

They sell for big bucks, but not quite as much as the Korth auto.

P5 Guy
June 8, 2013, 04:32 PM
And do you ever take them to the range?

bc1023
June 8, 2013, 06:06 PM
And do you ever take them to the range?

I've taken most of the guns pictured here to the range.

That said, I own guns in all price ranges. Its not just stuff like this. :)

bc1023
June 8, 2013, 06:24 PM
I would add MAB PAP F-1 to that wonderful collection.

That would be cool, but I have the standard MAB PA15 and they aren't a whole lot different.

bc1023
June 8, 2013, 06:33 PM
Here's an old Sig P210-1 from 1954. These are my favorite of all the P210s, due to the polished blue finish. :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/007-6.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/007-6.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/009-3.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/009-3.jpg.html)

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DeanV
June 8, 2013, 09:18 PM
You guys have me really wanting a p210. Stop it. I have a compact 9 and want a full size target quality 9 mm for centerfire autos.

bc1023
June 8, 2013, 11:18 PM
You guys have me really wanting a p210. Stop it. I have a compact 9 and want a full size target quality 9 mm for centerfire autos.

Well, it's hard to do better than a P210. :)

Here's one more for you. This is a Swiss P210-6 from the early 1990's.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/025-2.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/025-2.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/030-4.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/030-4.jpg.html)

Derek Zeanah
June 8, 2013, 11:58 PM
Well, it's hard to do better than a P210.
I think you misspelled 1911...

:D

bc1023
June 9, 2013, 12:20 AM
Here's a couple other very rare pistols.

First, we have a Sphinx Competitor. They are of the CZ75 design and built in Switzerland to very high standards. The Competitor was one of their flagship models.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1914.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/000_1914.jpg.html)

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Second is an original D&D Bren Ten. Only about 1500 were built back in the early to mid 1980's.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1861.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/000_1861.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1859.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/000_1859.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 9, 2013, 12:54 AM
I think you misspelled 1911...

Actually, in all seriousness, the 1911 is my favorite platform. I've been forunate enough to have many of them from the world's best manufacturers and custom smiths, so I'm not just about high end Euro pistols. :cool:

Here are a few of mine from Mark Morris, Paul Liebenberg, and Ted Yost.



http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/060-1.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/060-1.jpg.html)

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9mmepiphany
June 9, 2013, 01:18 AM
That D&D Bren Ten is really rare...you got one with a magazine :p

A Liebenberg 1911 really stands out with his distinctive grip safety and barrel bushing

bc1023
June 9, 2013, 03:29 PM
That D&D Bren Ten is really rare...you got one with a magazine :p

A Liebenberg 1911 really stands out with his distinctive grip safety and barrel bushing

Yeah, the Bren Ten did suffer from mag shortage.

As for the Liebenberg, that's a signature model built on his in house frame.

Robbins290
June 9, 2013, 04:49 PM
Korth? More like a mid life crisis on the gun world. Like buying a corvette to make up for something he is lacking. Id rather buy a sig x5 and take the extra money and buy as much ammo as i can

bc1023
June 9, 2013, 06:15 PM
Korth? More like a mid life crisis on the gun world. Like buying a corvette to make up for something he is lacking. Id rather buy a sig x5 and take the extra money and buy as much ammo as i can

So anyone who buys a Korth is making up for something?

I get a laugh out of this mentality.

P5 Guy
June 9, 2013, 06:23 PM
bc1023, nice to hear the firearms get shot.

Robbins290
June 9, 2013, 06:52 PM
Bc, was just trying to be fresh.

bc1023
June 9, 2013, 10:15 PM
Bc, was just trying to be fresh.

No big deal

The X-Five is a great pistol.

TimboKhan
June 11, 2013, 01:37 AM
I jumped on this thread tonight and was sort of hoping to see more of your collection in photos, BC. Thanks for sharing stuff I will likely never see, let alone own! I deeply enjoy that your shooting them and not just taking them out of the safe with white gloves on while harumphing away.

And, I am ashamed to admit, I have never even heard of a Korriphila, so that was awesome.

Orion8472
June 11, 2013, 11:41 AM
Are most of the more dedicated target style 9mm pistols [as seen on here] going to be mostly single stack?

marb4
June 11, 2013, 12:03 PM
Here's a real beauty. Notice the bold lines and exquisitely contoured grip. The finish bears a utilitarian beauty all its own. The custom skeletonized trigger reduces pull weight and really sets this fine piece of craftsmanship apart from any other. A true "grail" gun if I've ever seen one.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/970237_389352671184007_1549447058_n.jpg

Speedo66
June 11, 2013, 05:25 PM
Hmm, the naysayers are awfully quiet....... :rolleyes:

Nice collection, thanks for taking the time to share.

FIVETWOSEVEN
June 11, 2013, 07:22 PM
Here's a real beauty. Notice the bold lines and exquisitely contoured grip. The finish bears a utilitarian beauty all its own. The custom skeletonized trigger reduces pull weight and really sets this fine piece of craftsmanship apart from any other. A true "grail" gun if I've ever seen one.

:eek:

TimboKhan
June 11, 2013, 10:46 PM
LOL! I thought it was funny...

bc1023
June 11, 2013, 10:49 PM
Are most of the more dedicated target style 9mm pistols [as seen on here] going to be mostly single stack?

Not necessarily

Derek Zeanah
June 11, 2013, 11:56 PM
LOL! I thought it was funny...
I threw up in my mouth a little...

;)

tarosean
June 12, 2013, 02:34 AM
So anyone who buys a Korth is making up for something?

I get a laugh out of this mentality.



Dang you must have serious issues since you have two of them. :D :neener:



Just Jokes man.

I do think I prefer the aesthetics of the Revolver over the Auto, both are works of art though.

Orion8472
June 12, 2013, 10:13 AM
bc1023, . . . of all your target 9 pistols, . . . what would be the ratio of single stack vs. double stack? I know the P210's are single stack. The Beretta [that I really like the looks of] is double. Just curiousity on my part.

blackrussian
June 12, 2013, 11:15 AM
Thank you for sharing, bc1023.

bc1023
June 12, 2013, 12:51 PM
bc1023, . . . of all your target 9 pistols, . . . what would be the ratio of single stack vs. double stack? I know the P210's are single stack. The Beretta [that I really like the looks of] is double. Just curiousity on my part.

Most the gun I showed in this thread are single stack (Korth, P210s, S&W 952, S&W 845, HK P9S, and the 1911s)

The Pardini, Delta, Sphinx, X-Five, Beretta, S&W Comp 40, and Bren Ten are all double stack.

I have several other high end guns that I haven't posted as well, some single stack, some double. I'll post more when I get a chance.

Orion8472
June 12, 2013, 01:00 PM
Thanks. I enjoy seeing the pics [as I'm sure many others do, too].

bc1023
June 12, 2013, 01:07 PM
Here's one you don't see every day. A mint condition Valtro 1998A1

These are very hard to get and command some big money these days. I haven't seen one for sale in a couple of years, but the last one on Gunbroker went for over $5,000.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/053.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/053.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/056-1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/056-1.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 12, 2013, 01:42 PM
Nice pistol [that I've never heard of]!

Which of the guns you have posted have been the LEAST expensive? I don't mean to bring up that Beretta again, but I would guess it would be in that group?

9mmepiphany
June 12, 2013, 02:05 PM
Here's one you don't see every day. A mint condition Valtro 1998A1

These are very hard to get and command some big money these days. I haven't seen one for sale in a couple of years, but the last one on Gunbroker went for over $5,000.
:eek: :eek:

...and to think I balked at buying one when they were $1400. It just felt odd to buy a Italian made 1911...even when designed by Jardine (and he's local to me)

groundhog34
June 12, 2013, 03:27 PM
So bc1023 what do you carry?

bc1023
June 12, 2013, 05:40 PM
:eek: :eek:

...and to think I balked at buying one when they were $1400. It just felt odd to buy a Italian made 1911...even when designed by Jardine (and he's local to me)

Yeah, I wish I would have bought a bunch back then.

bc1023
June 12, 2013, 05:42 PM
So bc1023 what do you carry?

None of this sort of thing. I mostly carry my Kimber Pro CDP. I occasionally carry my Glock 33. I have a KelTec P3AT as a backup.

bc1023
June 12, 2013, 11:54 PM
Nice pistol [that I've never heard of]!

Which of the guns you have posted have been the LEAST expensive? I don't mean to bring up that Beretta again, but I would guess it would be in that group?

Probably the two stainless S&Ws.

Orion8472
June 13, 2013, 10:26 AM
I see. The S&W pistols are my least favorite of your collection. Understandably, I'm sure. Where would that Beretta list at [price range]?

tarosean
June 13, 2013, 01:35 PM
^Now a days the Steel I goes for about 2000-2500.00

Orion8472
June 13, 2013, 01:46 PM
Thanks, tarosean. Nice! Still too much for my wallet. I'd like to see a video of it being shoot. I'll have to check out the tube.

bc1023
June 13, 2013, 06:01 PM
I got my Steel I for $1100, but they go for double that now.

bc1023
June 13, 2013, 06:05 PM
I see. The S&W pistols are my least favorite of your collection. Understandably, I'm sure. Where would that Beretta list at [price range]?

I guarantee you they wouldn't be your least favorite if you shot them :)

Orion8472
June 13, 2013, 07:08 PM
I'm sure that's the case bc. But I am going mostly by appearance. The ones I like the best are the P210 pistols, particularly the Swiss.

bc1023
June 13, 2013, 08:19 PM
I'm sure that's the case bc. But I am going mostly by appearance. The ones I like the best are the P210 pistols, particularly the Swiss.

I'm actually not even a fan of stainless handguns. I have several, because its the only way certain guns were available, but its not my choice.

The Beretta Steel I is not stainless.

Orion8472
June 13, 2013, 09:12 PM
Is it hard chrome?

Yeah, I'm more fond of a nice clean looking blue gun with nice wood grips.

bc1023
June 13, 2013, 10:06 PM
Is it hard chrome?

Yeah, I'm more fond of a nice clean looking blue gun with nice wood grips.


The Steel I has a nickel teflon finish, according to Beretta.

Maybe this vintage Smith & Wesson 52-2 more suits your tastes. :) Its one of the most accurate pistols ever built.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/005_zps0e514137.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/005_zps0e514137.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/029_zps10847f63.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/029_zps10847f63.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 13, 2013, 10:21 PM
Here's a stainless gun I do really like the looks of.

Anyone like the 44 Auto Mag?


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/008-4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/008-4.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/013-4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/013-4.jpg.html)

9mmepiphany
June 13, 2013, 11:13 PM
Maybe this vintage Smith & Wesson 52-2 more suits your tastes. :) Its one of the most accurate pistols ever built.
Another gun I passed up ($395), in my youth, for a 39-2 ($250)...because I didn't think 5 shots was enough :scrutiny:

TimboKhan
June 14, 2013, 02:07 AM
Aesthetically I will join the club of not particularly caring for S&W autos, but the 52 is, in my own opinon, the best looking gun they have ever made, and that includes revolvers. I really, really think that is a good looking pistol. And, of course you are right. Every non-sigma S&W pistol I have shot was a beauty in terms of function and accuracy. For that matter, aside from the "Swocks", I am not even that down on the newer Sigmas. I mean, it's not a favorite, but they aren't the worst guns in the world either.

A buddy of mine in college got into shooting, and he called me up one day a couple of years ago and told me he had bought his first pistol, used. I asked him what he got, and sure enough, it was a 52 that he paid <drum roll> $300.00 for. It was in decent shape too. The bluing was a little worn, and the grips had some dings, but it was in good shape otherwise. Inspecting it, I got the feeling it spent a lot of time riding in a holster and very little time being shot. The best/worst part is that he was genuinely worried that he had gotten ripped off. He still has it and shoots it often!

Orion8472
June 14, 2013, 10:46 AM
bc1023, that is a nice looking S&W. I'd own that one.

bc1023
June 14, 2013, 10:12 PM
bc1023, that is a nice looking S&W. I'd own that one.

S&W did make some really nice looking autos. I own a dozen or so.

FIVETWOSEVEN
June 16, 2013, 12:36 AM
Maybe this vintage Smith & Wesson 52-2 more suits your tastes. Its one of the most accurate pistols ever built.

How do the rounds sit in the magazine?

hedrok
June 16, 2013, 11:38 AM
Oh, my....What fine taste you have, BC. You are truly the only person I know that lives up to the phrase attributed (I think) to both, Sir Winston Churchill and Orson Wells...

"My tastes are simple...I'm always satisfied with the best."

A sincere "Thank You" for sharing...

fennecfrank
June 16, 2013, 06:20 PM
BC,

really nice collection!

bc1023
June 17, 2013, 09:15 PM
Thank you for the very kinds words, everyone. I'll post some more stuff soon...

bc1023
June 17, 2013, 11:29 PM
Anyone ever see a CZ 75 Champion? It was CZ's top of the line competition pistol a while back. They are no longer built and very seldom seen.

Its an awesome shooting pistol.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/001-11.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/001-11.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/005-11.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/005-11.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 17, 2013, 11:40 PM
Here's another rare one. Its an FN Hi-Power Competition.

They aren't pretty , but they shoot great. They came factory with the Pacmayr grips and parkerized finish. Its actually the only Hi-Power that came standard with a great trigger. :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_3910.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_3910.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_3909.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_3909.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 18, 2013, 12:29 AM
I know this is the semi auto forum, but who likes Colt Pythons?


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1563.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_1563.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1561.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_1561.jpg.html)

Dentite
June 18, 2013, 01:59 AM
Wow...gotta clean the drool off my keyboard.

Orion8472
June 18, 2013, 10:56 AM
bc1023, . . . the CZ you posted. . . . .my SP-01 has that same trigger. Also has the competition hammer. Trigger pull is about 2 1/2 lbs. Right now, it has factory night sights on it, but I sent an email to CZCustoms to ask if they could mill it for the LPA rear sight. Haven't heard back, but was wanting to put sights on it that better matched its . . . uh. . . "phylosophy of use" . . . . [sorry for the Nutnfancy reference].

bc1023
June 18, 2013, 09:37 PM
It's a great trigger indeed.

The Tactical Sport also uses it.

HarcyPervin
June 20, 2013, 05:32 PM
bc1023, you have an exceptional collection. Thank you for taking the time to share with us. I find myself checking this thread regularly now just hoping you've continued to add to it.

Orion8472
June 20, 2013, 05:48 PM
Any other Hi Power pistols in your collection, bc1023?

19-3Ben
June 20, 2013, 07:06 PM
I know this is the semi auto forum, but who likes Colt Pythons?


They're nice, but they're no Registered Magnum...(he posts in the hopes that BC has one he can show us...)

Rinspeed
June 20, 2013, 09:07 PM
They're nice, but they're no Registered Magnum...(he posts in the hopes that BC has one he can show us...)




He doesn't have one but I've been telling him for years that he needs to get on board and start looking for one (or three). ;)

bc1023
June 20, 2013, 09:17 PM
Any other Hi Power pistols in your collection, bc1023?

Yeah, I have several vintage Belgian models. I'm mobile now, but I'll post a bunch tomorrow.

The Hi-Power is actually my favorite 9mm, quite honestly.

bc1023
June 20, 2013, 09:18 PM
They're nice, but they're no Registered Magnum...(he posts in the hopes that BC has one he can show us...)

I haven't picked up an RM, but I have quite a few vintage S&W revolvers. I'll post some when I can.

bc1023
June 20, 2013, 09:21 PM
He doesn't have one but I've been telling him for years that he needs to get on board and start looking for one (or three). ;)

...and I should have listened to you back then, Jeff. :)

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 09:02 AM
I'm post a few of my Browning Hi Powers.

Here are a couple built 1960 and 1962. :cool:

As you can see, by '62, the thumbprint was no longer. Also, notice the internal extractor on these old models.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/017-4.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/017-4.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/014-11.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/014-11.jpg.html)







http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/022-7.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/022-7.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/023-4.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/023-4.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 09:11 AM
Here is a much newer (1999) all Belgian Hi Power with the famous tangent sight. :cool:


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0001.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/000_0001.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0004.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/000_0004.jpg.html)








Here is a newer still (2003) Browning Hi Power. Its a beautiful gun, but it was assembled in Portugal. There aren't nearly as desirable as the all Belgian models.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_4390.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/000_4390.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_4403.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/000_4403.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 21, 2013, 11:16 AM
Beautiful Hi Powers! And I have to share your sentiment on your praise of the Hi Power. It is my favorite as well. LOVE the 1999 model with the Tangent Sights!

I am getting a wide trigger for mine. The one thing I don't like quite so much about mine is the narrow trigger. I have an FN Herstal Hi Power. Looks pretty much exactly like your 2003, but with the Hogue grip. I WOULD like to find a nice set of dark walnut grips at some point.

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 11:22 AM
You here loves the old West German Sigs? :cool:

Here's my P226, P220, P228, and P225. All are in the classic 9mm chambering...


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/015-4_zps3c5730e1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/015-4_zps3c5730e1.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/013-6_zpsf1c8e573.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/013-6_zpsf1c8e573.jpg.html)







Here's my P210s all together.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/001-5_zps6ea5202e.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/001-5_zps6ea5202e.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/027-3_zpsbae2ae35.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/027-3_zpsbae2ae35.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 11:25 AM
Beautiful Hi Powers! And I have to share your sentiment on your praise of the Hi Power. It is my favorite as well.

I am getting a wide trigger for mine. The one thing I don't like quite so much about mine is the narrow trigger. I have an FN Herstal Hi Power.

Thank you sir

FN and Browning are one and the same. You can see my tangent sight model is labeled FN on one side and Browning on the other.

Orion8472
June 21, 2013, 11:32 AM
I updated my post [before seeing your new post here], and sent you a PM.

Love the blueing on the 1960 [and the indention] and 1962 models!

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 11:38 AM
Anyone like classic Berettas?

I have a fondness for the original 92. Note the frame mounted safety and heel mag release. This one is circa 1978.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/001-5_zps77a30d61.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/001-5_zps77a30d61.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/017-6_zps32d79fd6.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/017-6_zps32d79fd6.jpg.html)






Here are some rare Berettas.

1983 Beretta 92SB


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/003-6_zps6e1836e2.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/003-6_zps6e1836e2.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/009-5_zpsf39652ff.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/009-5_zpsf39652ff.jpg.html)








1984 Beretta 85BB


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/010-5_zps971a2a3a.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/010-5_zps971a2a3a.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/001-5_zps82f7d165.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/001-5_zps82f7d165.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 21, 2013, 11:42 AM
Very nice Berettas! I have always liked that design. The only Beretta I have [though] is a blued/brown wood grip 21a.

jrdolall
June 21, 2013, 12:00 PM
Damn! This thread has me totally reevaluating my collection. The only thing I could relate to was the KT P3AT.

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 03:06 PM
Very nice Berettas! I have always liked that design. The only Beretta I have [though] is a blued/brown wood grip 21a.

Thanks. I have several classic Berettas from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Here are a couple rimfires.


1968 Beretta 72 Jaguar


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/035-1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/035-1.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/068-1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/068-1.jpg.html)









1980 Beretta 70


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/040-2.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/040-2.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/042-1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/042-1.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 21, 2013, 03:25 PM
I really like the 70. Bid on one last week, but it went for more than I could spend [$631.xx]. Oh well.

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 04:09 PM
Yeah, they sell for some good money these days.

Orion8472
June 21, 2013, 05:26 PM
BTW, does the trigger [on the 70] travel straight back [like a 1911] or is it hinged [like a Sig 938]?

bc1023
June 21, 2013, 08:00 PM
The 70 series' trigger actually pivots, but its basically like pushing it straight back with the way the travel is.

Orion8472
June 22, 2013, 01:10 AM
Thanks, bc. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to find one to buy. I gotta start saving up for another car. Mine current car has seen better days.

tarosean
June 22, 2013, 01:21 AM
Nice... You must of spent some time finding those Berettas in that good of condition. 99% of the 92's and SB's I've stumbled upon have seen better days to put it bluntly.

19-3Ben
June 22, 2013, 08:32 AM
BC- You seriously have an awesome collection.
So here's a question. A guy like you, it seems, almost always has the next gun in mind, or the list of them.

So what guns don't you have that you are hunting for? And what do you consider to be your "grail gun"?

fennecfrank
June 22, 2013, 04:32 PM
What a collection!!

BC, do you have French Manurhin MR-73??

bc1023
June 22, 2013, 07:53 PM
What a collection!!

BC, do you have French Manurhin MR-73??

Most certainly. Its one of the best revolvers ever built. Revolvers don't get much finer than an MR.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/010-4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/010-4.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/068-2.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/068-2.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/007-8.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/007-8.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/005-8.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/005-8.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/002-5.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/002-5.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/069.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/069.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 22, 2013, 07:59 PM
Speaking of revolvers, how about a 3" Korth Combat? :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/000_0002_1-2.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/000_0004-1.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/000_0008-1.jpg

Orion8472
June 22, 2013, 11:13 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I nominate bc1023 to be "King of Handguns". :eek:

Jim K
June 23, 2013, 01:59 AM
Second the nomination, at least in the exotic department. Others may have more guns, or better known guns, but that kind is so rare that without pictures, we would almost consider them rumors.

Jim

hAkron
June 23, 2013, 02:27 AM
Wow!!!!

19-3Ben
June 23, 2013, 08:43 AM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I nominate bc1023 to be "King of Handguns".

Second the nomination,

And third.

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 09:34 AM
BC- You seriously have an awesome collection.
So here's a question. A guy like you, it seems, almost always has the next gun in mind, or the list of them.

So what guns don't you have that you are hunting for? And what do you consider to be your "grail gun"?

Thanks

The only other real high dollar gun I'm still hunting down is a Korriphila HSP 701. Like many of my others, they are very hard to find.

I had a couple opportunities to buy a compact model, but I want a full size.

Shear_stress
June 23, 2013, 09:59 AM
Best thread I've seen in a while.

Orion8472
June 23, 2013, 10:12 AM
Okay, bc1023. I have to ask. In which way are the MR revolvers better than most? And would you put them over the Python? I'm not a revolver guy, so wouldn't know where to look [on a revolver] to find the exceptional quality. Thanks!

jerkface11
June 23, 2013, 12:08 PM
Does the Korth revolver have a thumb safety?

Orion8472
June 23, 2013, 01:22 PM
I think if I had to choose an exotic "revolver", I'd have to go with the Mateba MTR-8. Kind of like a pistol/revolver hybrid, but I've seen videos of it and it looks way cool!

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 07:45 PM
I think if I had to choose an exotic "revolver", I'd have to go with the Mateba MTR-8. Kind of like a pistol/revolver hybrid, but I've seen videos of it and it looks way cool!

I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to revolvers. The Korth and Manurhin are exotic, but still traditional 6 shooters. I'm mostly a classic Colt and S&W collector when it comes to revolvers. I'll post a few at some point.

19-3Ben
June 23, 2013, 08:55 PM
Thanks

The only other real high dollar gun I'm still hunting down is a Korriphila HSP 701. Like many of my others, they are very hard to find.

I had a couple opportunities to buy a compact model, but I want a full size.

Huh. I'd never even heard of that one! Of course, I've never heard of many of your guns, but that doesn't stop me from drooling over them!

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 09:01 PM
Huh. I'd never even heard of that one! Of course, I've never heard of many of your guns, but that doesn't stop me from drooling over them!

Google it. Its one of the highest quality pistols ever built. The price is very high though.

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 09:04 PM
Anyone like the Husqvarna M40 Lahti?

...built in Sweden :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/006_zpsed32209e.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/006_zpsed32209e.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/012_zps429ade1f.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/012_zps429ade1f.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/009_zpscb90bbaa.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/009_zpscb90bbaa.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/016_zpsaa3ff164.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/016_zpsaa3ff164.jpg.html)

FIVETWOSEVEN
June 23, 2013, 09:05 PM
No Luger? You must have one!

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 09:17 PM
I picked up this rare piece last year. USFA did actually build 1911s for a very short time on a very limited basis.

They were beautifully done.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/001-15.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/001-15.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/008-16.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/008-16.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/007-7.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/007-7.jpg.html)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/011-4.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/011-4.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 09:31 PM
No Luger? You must have one!


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1862.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_1862.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/004-22.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/004-22.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/129_zps85698e76.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/129_zps85698e76.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/006-15.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/006-15.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 09:33 PM
Does the Korth revolver have a thumb safety?

No, that's the cylinder release.

bc1023
June 23, 2013, 09:41 PM
Okay, bc1023. I have to ask. In which way are the MR revolvers better than most? And would you put them over the Python? I'm not a revolver guy, so wouldn't know where to look [on a revolver] to find the exceptional quality. Thanks!

The Python is my favorite revolver of all time. I love its classic looks and amazing action.

Having said that, yes, the MR73 is clearly the better made of the two. Its extremely strong, even more so than Rugers, in my opinion. The barrel is pressure tested to twice the 357mag's pressure standard. The build quality is second to none, its got an adjustable trigger, the whole internal mechanism literally runs on small wheels. Even the finish rivals the best royal bluing ever done at Colt.

The Manurhin MR73 is one of the best revolvers ever built by anyone. Mine is the 6" Sport model.

Orion8472
June 24, 2013, 10:30 AM
Post #145 and 146 images not showing up for me.

The Husqvarna is very cool!

fennecfrank
June 24, 2013, 11:42 AM
The Python is my favorite revolver of all time. I love its classic looks and amazing action.

Having said that, yes, the MR73 is clearly the better made of the two. Its extremely strong, even more so than Rugers, in my opinion. The barrel is pressure tested to twice the 357mag's pressure standard. The build quality is second to none, its got an adjustable trigger, the whole internal mechanism literally runs on small wheels. Even the finish rivals the best royal bluing ever done at Colt.

The Manurhin MR73 is one of the best revolvers ever built by anyone. Mine is the 6" Sport model.


Brian,

Your collection is amazing. Besides museums, you probably have the most collection as a private collector.

One more question...... Do you have a Janz revolver?

bc1023
June 24, 2013, 12:24 PM
Frank, thanks for the very kind words. You have a great collection of your own.

I once thought about getting a Janz. Its like a scaled up Korth in some heavy magnum calibers. I may one day if the opportunity presents itself.

Like I said, I'm not really a collector of exotic revolvers. I like the classic Colts and Smiths. :)

bc1023
June 24, 2013, 12:35 PM
Anyone familiar with the Benelli B76? Its a DA/SA auto with a fixed barrel. I find it very accurate.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/002-12.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/002-12.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/004-11.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/004-11.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 24, 2013, 12:42 PM
Very nice!

Milkmaster
June 24, 2013, 12:45 PM
Darn! We need a like button on this thread/forum! :)

19-3Ben
June 24, 2013, 01:42 PM
BC, is the collection limited to handguns, or do you also collect rare long guns?
I'm sorry to ask you so many questions about this. I'm just absolutely fascinated and floored.

fennecfrank
June 24, 2013, 03:23 PM
Anyone familiar with the Benelli B76? Its a DA/SA auto with a fixed barrel. I find it very accurate.



Wow!! Another great gun you've got there! Too bad Benelli doesn't make handguns anymore......

Reading this thread is like watching a show about weapons. The wow never stops!

Another vote to "sticky" this thread!

jrdolall
June 24, 2013, 10:36 PM
There should be a collection of Lugers coming available here very soon. They have been tied up in customs for a couple of years but I hope to have the opportunity to at least look at them within a month. No prices yet but it will probably be prohibitive for me.

bc1023
June 24, 2013, 10:43 PM
BC, is the collection limited to handguns, or do you also collect rare long guns?
I'm sorry to ask you so many questions about this. I'm just absolutely fascinated and floored.

No problem, questions are fine.

I have just the long guns I need. I don't collect them. I'm strictly a collector of handguns.

bc1023
June 25, 2013, 11:04 AM
Wow!! Another great gun you've got there! Too bad Benelli doesn't make handguns anymore......

Reading this thread is like watching a show about weapons. The wow never stops!

Another vote to "sticky" this thread!

Glad you like the thread, Frank. I'll post a couple more tonight.

bc1023
June 25, 2013, 08:32 PM
Anyone familiar with the Steyr GB? I love this pistol. :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/028-1_zpsebd81f71.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/028-1_zpsebd81f71.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/031-1_zpsf925b379.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/031-1_zpsf925b379.jpg.html)







How about the AJ Ordnance Thomas? Its a blowback 45ACP built right here in the USA circa late 70's. Certainly an odd one, but high quality from my experience.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/019-3_zpseb49e5f4.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/019-3_zpseb49e5f4.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/023-4_zpsde4de28f.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/023-4_zpsde4de28f.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 25, 2013, 08:41 PM
How about the MAB PA-15? It was built in France starting in the mid 1970s. It was the first 9mm with a magazine capacity higher than the 13 round the Browning Hi-Power held, hence the name.

It also has a rotating barrel and a very solid build quality. This is a single action only pistol.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/051_zps38263db3.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/051_zps38263db3.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/055_zpsfb07b559.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/055_zpsfb07b559.jpg.html)








Here's a much more well known classic pistol 9mm built in Radom, Poland. Its the F.B.VIS P35.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/062-1_zps3a948cda.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/062-1_zps3a948cda.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/064-2_zps087efed9.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/064-2_zps087efed9.jpg.html)

hAkron
June 25, 2013, 08:58 PM
It's like looking at the gun collection from somebody who lives in an alternate universe!

bc1023
June 25, 2013, 09:07 PM
I also love Spanish pistols.

Here's an original Star Model B. They share some similarities to the M1911 and have been around a long, long time.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/070_zps8b4da53e.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/070_zps8b4da53e.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/065_zps1257ceee.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/065_zps1257ceee.jpg.html)








Here's another real oddball. Its the Llama Omni. They aren't the best of quality, but they were innovative at the time.

I just love stuff you don't see everyday.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/063_zpsa435fec9.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/063_zpsa435fec9.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/067_zps1a828a56.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/067_zps1a828a56.jpg.html)








Back to Italians. The Bernardelli P One is another very cool pistol. Its also very rare these days.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1924.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_1924.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1925.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_1925.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 25, 2013, 09:23 PM
Here's another very rare bird. Its a Vektor SP1, built in South Africa.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2387.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_2387.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2390s.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_2390s.jpg.html)







The Mauser HSc is not overly rare, but I think its one of the most beautiful pistols ever built.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1920-1.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_1920-1.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1921.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_1921.jpg.html)

9mmepiphany
June 25, 2013, 10:30 PM
I'm waiting to see the Semmerling LM-4 and the Vektor CP-1

My first impression upon handling a GB was that it was bigger than I expected...cleaning the outside of the barrel after shooting wasn't much fun either..

My encounter with the MAB P-15 was even more interesting. It had been used as a USPSA race gun and was shooting 9mm Major...right up until it blew it's slide off in load developement

bc1023
June 25, 2013, 10:42 PM
I'm waiting to see the Semmerling LM-4 and the Vektor CP-1

My first impression upon handling a GB was that it was bigger than I expected...cleaning the outside of the barrel after shooting wasn't much fun either..

My encounter with the MAB P-15 was even more interesting. It had been used as a USPSA race gun and was shooting 9mm Major...right up until it blew it's slide off in load developement

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend shooting 9mm major in the PA-15. Sounds pretty irresponsible to me. The guy got what he deserved.

The GB is not a simple pistol, but mine runs pretty well. :)

I always thought the Semmerlings were cool. The Vektor CP1 was a very bad design. It was recalled for safety reasons.

jerkface11
June 25, 2013, 11:02 PM
Do you have a TT33 in your collection?

bc1023
June 25, 2013, 11:16 PM
No, but I have other Toks.

9mmepiphany
June 26, 2013, 12:31 AM
The Vektor CP1 was a very bad design. It was recalled for safety reasons.
I don't disagree with the design flaws. But it is interesting in that the exterior was designed by a college design class and because of it's appearance in a number of TV shows...my favorite was Battle Star Galactica.

I was never able to get one before they were recalled; I just wanted it for the cool factor, like the H&K P9S

Orion8472
June 26, 2013, 10:21 AM
bc1023, . . . would the F.I. Industries Model D 380acp qualify as an odd duck and worth keeping [if you had one]?

bc1023
June 26, 2013, 12:05 PM
bc1023, . . . would the F.I. Industries Model D 380acp qualify as an odd duck and worth keeping [if you had one]?

Yes it would, in my opinion. In fact, I almost bought one of those last year. I'm not a huge collector of 380s, but they are cool pistols.

Its similar to a Colt Mustang.

bc1023
June 26, 2013, 12:11 PM
I don't disagree with the design flaws. But it is interesting in that the exterior was designed by a college design class and because of it's appearance in a number of TV shows...my favorite was Battle Star Galactica.

I was never able to get one before they were recalled; I just wanted it for the cool factor, like the H&K P9S I love the HK P9S.

My HK collection is rather small in comparison to some of my other collections, but I own a few. I posted the P9S Sport earlier in the thread. Here is is again (wearing the standard grips) with my other HKs. The Sport model has the target sights, barrel weight, and can only be fired in single action.

P7M8, P7M10, P9s, P9S Sport, and Mark 23


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/002_zps9ab385bc.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/002_zps9ab385bc.jpg.html)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/003_zps5549da18.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/003_zps5549da18.jpg.html)

9mmepiphany
June 26, 2013, 01:09 PM
I must say, you are only the third person I've known who has owned a P7M10.

Very nice H&Ks. I've carried the P7 and the P9s as duty guns and always wanted a P9S Sport

bc1023
June 26, 2013, 01:18 PM
I must say, you are only the third person I've known who has owned a P7M10.

Very nice H&Ks. I've carried the P7 and the P9s as duty guns and always wanted a P9S Sport

Thank you for all the kind words. I really love the P9S Sport. The trigger is outstanding and the gun balances very well for range use.

As for the P7M10, it's one of the softest shooting 40s ever built. It's also very accurate. I think the thickness of the slide is a bit ridiculous. I think HK actually rushed it to market when the cartridge was introduced. It's a very high quality gun, but I think it's bulkier and heavier than it needs to be.

Orion8472
June 26, 2013, 01:39 PM
Yes it would, in my opinion. In fact, I almost bought one of those last year. I'm not a huge collector of 380s, but they are cool pistols.

Its similar to a Colt Mustang.

I was contemplating selling mine, but may just keep it, due to it being rare. I only brought it up because it [as I understand it] was pre the Star pistols, and you mentioned liking Star pistols. Also, it has Wash DC on the slide, which is rather bizarre in the gun culture we live in now.

Anyway, thanks for your opinion. When it comes to pistol collectors, that means a lot! I'll post an image here later this evening.

bc1023
June 26, 2013, 02:57 PM
I was contemplating selling mine, but may just keep it, due to it being rare. I only brought it up because it [as I understand it] was pre the Star pistols, and you mentioned liking Star pistols. Also, it has Wash DC on the slide, which is rather bizarre in the gun culture we live in now.

Anyway, thanks for your opinion. When it comes to pistol collectors, that means a lot! I'll post an image here later this evening.

I wouldn't sell it. For the money they go for, just keep it. It's a fairly rare and interesting pistol.

Post a pic when you can.

Orion8472
June 26, 2013, 07:29 PM
Here are a few pics, bc1023. Need to do some Blue touchups, but this is how it is right now:

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr220/DaveCustomMade/IMG_6500.jpg
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr220/DaveCustomMade/IMG_6501.jpg

bc1023
June 26, 2013, 08:20 PM
That looks very nice.

I wouldn't sell it, personally.

bc1023
June 26, 2013, 09:18 PM
Here's a couple nightly additions...


Coonan Model B


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/115.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/115.jpg.html)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/117.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/117.jpg.html)








Smith & Wesson 945

I think this was one of the best Smiths to ever come out of the Performance Center. I place it right behind the 952.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/104.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/104.jpg.html)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/106.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/106.jpg.html)

jerkface11
June 26, 2013, 10:09 PM
How accurate is the Coonan?

bc1023
June 26, 2013, 11:05 PM
The Coonan has been quite accurate for me. That said, I also just shoot that for fun. :)

Its got a heck of a lot of muzzle blast and noise.

jerkface11
June 26, 2013, 11:24 PM
It certainly looks like a lot of fun.

Orion8472
June 27, 2013, 12:41 AM
Thanks for offering your opinion on the F.I. I will just keep it. They are rare, but . . . rarely sell for much of anything.

Anyway, back to topic, . . . I like the looks of that Smith. :)

bc1023
June 27, 2013, 09:19 PM
It certainly looks like a lot of fun.

The Coonan is certainly great range fun.

bc1023
June 27, 2013, 09:21 PM
Thanks for offering your opinion on the F.I. I will just keep it. They are rare, but . . . rarely sell for much of anything.

Anyway, back to topic, . . . I like the looks of that Smith.

Thanks. The 945 is very similar to a 1911. It was the Smiths answer to the 1911 before they actually built one.

Black Butte
June 27, 2013, 10:25 PM
bc1023, you should just open a museum in the east wing of the castle. Thanks for sharing with us peasants.

19-3Ben
June 27, 2013, 10:45 PM
Thanks. The 945 is very similar to a 1911. It was the Smiths answer to the 1911 before they actually built one.

The 945 was actually the very fist .45ACP I ever shot. Spoiled me right on the spot. First shot went through the x ring, and recoil was not nearly as bad as I had anticipated. I've wanted one ever since.

bc1023
June 27, 2013, 11:01 PM
The 945 was actually the very fist .45ACP I ever shot. Spoiled me right on the spot. First shot went through the x ring, and recoil was not nearly as bad as I had anticipated. I've wanted one ever since.

Yeah, the 945 is a great pistol. They aren't as rare as most the Performance Center pistols, but they still sell for some pretty high prices.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 12:21 AM
bc1023, you should just open a museum in the east wing of the castle.

Thanks. Here's a couple more for the night.

This one needs no description. :cool:


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/111.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/111.jpg.html)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/113.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/113.jpg.html)









Here is the rare FEG GKK-45.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/007-6.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/007-6.jpg.html)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/008-12.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/008-12.jpg.html)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/013-4.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2009/media/013-4.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 28, 2013, 10:36 AM
My brother would LOVE that FEG. He managed to obtain a fairly rare Hi Power clone with the rib across the top. And, it was in very nice condition, too!

As for the Desert Eagle, . . . they are formitable, but never really felt very good in my hand. I would like to shoot one someday, though.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 10:55 AM
My brother would LOVE that FEG. He managed to obtain a fairly rare Hi Power close with the rib across the top. And, it was in very nice condition, too!

As for the Desert Eagle, . . . they are formitable, but never really felt very good in my hand. I would like to shoot one someday, though.

FEG made some very solid pistols back in the day. They were great quality for the price. The GKK-45 is a double action version in 45ACP. I guess I realy shouldn't call it "rare", but for they probably built 10 of the double action 9mm pistols to every one of the 45 models. As you mentioned, FEG also built many single action HP clones.

As for the Desert Eagle, I'm not sure it feels good in anyone's hand. However, I do find them quite accurate once you learn how to shoot them. :cool:

Orion8472
June 28, 2013, 11:01 AM
I had to fix my post. "Close" should have been "clone". Oh well.

Anyway, yeah, that 45acp FEG definitely is one of the rare models. I don't think I have ever seen one in person. The rib top Hi Power, that my brother got, was one of those "right place at the right time" sort of things.

Oh, . . . one last thing about my F.I. Model D. I got it years ago at a gunshow, . . . back before I was familiar with what they were. The guy had on it [on the sign] "Colt Pony 380acp", . . . price was . . . *cough* . . . $450. In my ignorance, I bought it. Later on, I discovered that I paid nearly twice what it was actually worth. No big deal, really. It's still rare . . . and might rise in value in another 10-20 years. Who knows.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 11:12 AM
I believe the ribbed model is the FP9 and the standard HP clone is the P9M.

Sorry to hear you got cheated at a show. Sellers who misrepresent shouldn't be allowed to sell anything.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 11:15 AM
Here's a couple more oddball pistols from my collection.

Polish Radom MAG 98

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/009-16.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/009-16.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/013-3.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/013-3.jpg.html)









PHP MV


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/012-9.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/012-9.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/008-20.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/008-20.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 28, 2013, 11:16 AM
"FP9" sounds right, but I don't recall. I'll ask him.

Yeah, . . . they saw me coming. The image doesn't look all that good. The gun looks better in person. I think I need to replace my old 5 megapixel camera. hehe :scrutiny:


BTW, very nice PHP. Never seen one before! Quite unique!

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 11:29 AM
Thanks

The PHPs actually aren't all that rare. Its not something you're going to see often at your local shop, but there are usually a couple on Gunbroker at any given time.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 12:03 PM
How about some classic S&W autos? Here are three different generations of essentially the same basic model.

First, a no dash Model 39 from the 1950's. This was the first double action 9mm designed inthe USA. Its a classic pistol for sure. Just about all 39s had an aluminum frame.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/018-2.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/018-2.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/024-1.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/024-1.jpg.html)








Next is a second generation Smith. Its the all steel 539. This was only built for a couple of years in the early to mid 80's and is very hard to find. I believe only a little over 5000 were ever built.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/009-14.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/009-14.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/001-17.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/001-17.jpg.html)










Finally, here is a 3rd generation Smith in the 3906. These were built in the 1990's and are all stainless construction.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_4418.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_4418.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_4420.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/000_4420.jpg.html)

19-3Ben
June 28, 2013, 03:25 PM
^^^ and still one of the best handling pistols ever designed IMHO.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 06:14 PM
Yes they were. I love the S&W 39. :cool:

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 06:27 PM
Here's another you don't see much of anymore.

Star Megastar

Its built like a tank. Its all steel and weighs about 48oz unloaded. This one is 45ACP, but they were also chambered in 10mm. :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/003-19.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/003-19.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/011-12.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/011-12.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/007-11.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/007-11.jpg.html)

Jim Watson
June 28, 2013, 06:30 PM
They made 927 steel M39s, not impossible to find.
I guess one of the ten known M44 SAOs on that frame would be tough, though.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 06:32 PM
They made 927 steel M39s, not impossible to find.
I guess one of the ten known M44 SAOs on that frame would be tough, though.

Yeah, I see the steel 39s on Gunbroker fairly often. Prices are ridiculous though.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 06:39 PM
Here's a couple more for today.

Daewoo DH40 - These were interesting pistols that utilized that weird "tri-action".


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/005-12.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/005-12.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/008-7.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/008-7.jpg.html)









Here is the Chinese Norinco 213. Its a 9mm version of the Tokarev pistol. Cool gun :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/003-5.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/003-5.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/006-5.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/006-5.jpg.html)

FIVETWOSEVEN
June 28, 2013, 07:07 PM
Any CZ75s? :)

mattm0691
June 28, 2013, 10:30 PM
good Lord every time I look at this thread, more rare pistols that I will probably never see! Good on you BC you are truly a lucky fellow to be able to own all these great firearms!!

Impureclient
June 28, 2013, 11:08 PM
That carpet has seen more than most of us will ever see in our lifetimes. Also, it must be hard tiptoeing around all those guns all over the floor.

jerkface11
June 28, 2013, 11:14 PM
That is a nice Tok.

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 11:45 PM
Here is probably my favorite Spanish pistol. Its the Star 30M. :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/001-8.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/001-8.jpg.html)

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http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/008-15.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/008-15.jpg.html)

bc1023
June 28, 2013, 11:56 PM
Any CZ75s?

Yes, I have the CZ 75 Champion posted earlier in the thread and this standard CZ 75B.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/124.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/124.jpg.html)

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Orion8472
June 29, 2013, 12:41 AM
I had always heard people trash the Star brand pistols as "cheap steel", or something along those lines. The ones you have posted have been pretty cool, bc. I'd own them!

bc1023
June 29, 2013, 09:26 AM
Here's a couple of Colts you don't see everyday. They weren't successful models, but they are different.

Colt Double Eagle


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/007-1.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/007-1.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/008-3.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/008-3.jpg.html)







Colt All American 2000

Most of these were polymer, but the First Edition model had an aluminum frame.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/098_zps734e0c19.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/098_zps734e0c19.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/101_zps6303b420.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/101_zps6303b420.jpg.html)

mattm0691
June 29, 2013, 09:28 AM
I had always heard people trash the Star brand pistols as "cheap steel", or something along those lines. The ones you have posted have been pretty cool, bc. I'd own them!
I think you may have heard that they are made of soft steel? They are and therefore not a great platform for launching thousands of +p rounds from, but this softness of steel is due to the era that many of them are from, not cheapness of materials. Metallurgy is more advanced now than it was when the soft steel stars were being produced. I myself have a Modelo B and it is a great little pistol!

bc1023
June 29, 2013, 09:35 AM
Here is my vote for the finest rimfire pistol ever built.

S&W 41

This is an early model built in the 60's shortly after the heavy barrel model became available. This gun is still in production today, but I find the early model much nicer.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/019-3_zpsb57c3ec1.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/019-3_zpsb57c3ec1.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/084-1_zpsa51e214d.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/084-1_zpsa51e214d.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/020-2_zps00768f6a.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/020-2_zps00768f6a.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/029-3_zps6f61383b.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/029-3_zps6f61383b.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/023-4_zps8e25824f.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/023-4_zps8e25824f.jpg.html)

Orion8472
June 29, 2013, 10:50 AM
Matt, thanks for the info. That makes sense.

mjackson
June 29, 2013, 02:07 PM
I've always wanted a 41, too. What do you think about a Hammerli 212 Hunter?

bc1023
June 29, 2013, 08:08 PM
Hammerli pistols are outstanding. I prefer the 41 overall though.

bc1023
June 29, 2013, 08:26 PM
Speaking of the CZ 75, here is the Springfield P9, which is a clone.

Its based off the original CZ 75, not the 75B.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/003_zpsfce536b6.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/003_zpsfce536b6.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/009_zps1d21aef4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/009_zps1d21aef4.jpg.html)






Here's a couple more Spanish pistols.

The Astra A-100 is loosely based off the Sig P226.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/014-8_zps73c660de.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/014-8_zps73c660de.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/021-8_zps663b76b3.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/021-8_zps663b76b3.jpg.html)







Here is a Llama Especial 9mm


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/005-9_zps64a9a123.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/005-9_zps64a9a123.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/002-6_zps9d1af9b4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/002-6_zps9d1af9b4.jpg.html)

mattm0691
June 29, 2013, 08:55 PM
I actually think that Llama is beautiful. Sort of like a mix between a Hi Power and a 1911

bc1023
July 1, 2013, 06:52 PM
I actually think that Llama is beautiful. Sort of like a mix between a Hi Power and a 1911

I've also always liked the looks of most the Llama pistols.

They were nowhere near as good as Star from a quality perspective though.

bc1023
July 1, 2013, 11:38 PM
Who here likes Nighthawk 1911s? :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/052-2.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/052-2.jpg.html)

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http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/047.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/047.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/050.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/050.jpg.html)

bc1023
July 1, 2013, 11:45 PM
How about Ed Brown?


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/038.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/038.jpg.html)

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http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/017-3.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/017-3.jpg.html)

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Orion8472
July 2, 2013, 10:35 AM
bc, can you get some closer shots of the end of the Preditor II? I've not seen anything like that before. Also, any info on what it is and what it does would be appreciated. Thanks!

19-3Ben
July 2, 2013, 12:54 PM
Oooohhhhh that Kobra Carry is just flat out yummy!

9mmepiphany
July 2, 2013, 04:31 PM
bc, can you get some closer shots of the end of the Preditor II? I've not seen anything like that before. Also, any info on what it is and what it does would be appreciated. Thanks!
I'm sure bc will be by shortly, but I'm pretty sure that is just how NHC likes to finish off their bushingless barrels. It is a more finished look than just having the end of the flared barrel sitting in the slide

Orion8472
July 2, 2013, 05:01 PM
Okay. Well, I think it looks way cool! :)

bc1023
July 3, 2013, 09:10 AM
bc, can you get some closer shots of the end of the Preditor II? I've not seen anything like that before. Also, any info on what it is and what it does would be appreciated. Thanks!

Its supposed to add weight to the end of the barrel to dampen recoil. Its a great shooting 1911.

Orion8472
July 3, 2013, 10:39 AM
Ah! Well, I bet it IS a great shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if most of your guns are. . . . . . . . . . .maybe even the Llama [but a part of me things...not quite so much with the Llama, but looks good, none the less].

bc1023
July 3, 2013, 10:58 AM
Ah! Well, I bet it IS a great shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if most of your guns are. . . . . . . . . . .maybe even the Llama [but a part of me things...not quite so much with the Llama, but looks good, none the less].

Well, I've only posted a third of my handguns in this thread...

Orion8472
July 3, 2013, 11:20 AM
And I was thinking that I had too many handguns. . . . .

Do you prefer metal frame, hammer type guns? Do you have any polymer frame guns that you like? Any striker fired?

I only have two striker fired guns and am not all that excited about either of them. One is my carry gun, and only because I needed "thin" [XDs 9mm]. The other is an FNH FNS-9 that I'm contemplating selling.

My other two 9mm handguns are the customized SP-01 [Competition hammer and SAO trigger @ ~2.5 lbs, and just picked up target front and rear sights], and a very nice FNH Hi Power.

You seem to strike me as one who either has ONLY that which you have posted so far, or strongly prefer them over polymer pistols.

bc1023
July 3, 2013, 11:51 AM
I probably have 15 to 20 polymer pistols, but I much prefer steel or metal framed guns. As far as strikers are concerned, I have a few Glocks and some others. Some of my steel handguns are strikers are well. I posted quite a fewin this thread already. :cool:

bc1023
July 3, 2013, 12:01 PM
Anyone like the Baby Eagle? Its a basically a CZ clone, but has a different appearance.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/012-2.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/012-2.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/017-5.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/017-5.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/021-6.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/021-6.jpg.html)







Here is my vote for one of the best 10mms of all time. Its the S&W 1006. :cool:


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/003-4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/003-4.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/005-6.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/005-6.jpg.html)

Orion8472
July 3, 2013, 12:04 PM
bc, do you have a Magnum Research Jericho? My brother wants one of those, someday.

bc1023
July 3, 2013, 01:33 PM
bc, do you have a Magnum Research Jericho? My brother wants one of those, someday.

No, but the Baby Eagle is the same gun. Jericho was the original name.

TimboKhan
July 3, 2013, 02:13 PM
I have always liked those baby eagles. Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't those same guns marketed under the Uzi name as well?

sent from my Galaxy Note II.

hAkron
July 3, 2013, 06:01 PM
Baby eagles are great! IMI/IWI in Israel make them from parts sourced from Tanfoglio and call them the Jericho 941. Magnum Research markets them as the baby eagle. UZI USA sells (sold?) them as the Uzi Eagle. Superbly accurate. They can be has with slide or frame mounted sights, but I think the Magnum Research guns are all slide mounted.

I have a hard chromed baby eagle in 9mm, and a S&W 1006. Feeling pretty cool to have a couple of the guns in my collection that that bc1023 has in his ridiculously crazy obscure amazing collection. :)

bc1023
July 3, 2013, 06:54 PM
As mentioned above,yes the pistol was sold under a couple different names.

It's a very solid gun.

bc1023
July 5, 2013, 10:55 PM
Anyone like Les Baer 1911s? :cool:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/069.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/069.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/072.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/072.jpg.html)







http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/042.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/042.jpg.html)

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bc1023
July 5, 2013, 10:56 PM
Here's one you don't see often.

Detonics Service Master


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/081.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/081.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/084.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/084.jpg.html)









Here's another very rare breed. Its a top quality 1911.

Unertl DLX


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/025-1.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/025-1.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/027.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/027.jpg.html)

bc1023
July 5, 2013, 11:00 PM
Who likes Wilson 1911s? ;)


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/039-1.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/039-1.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/040.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/040.jpg.html)







http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/021.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/021.jpg.html)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/023-1.jpg (http://s636.photobucket.com/user/ollituc/media/023-1.jpg.html)

Orion8472
July 6, 2013, 11:22 AM
It's hard to NOT like real good 1911 pistols. :)

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 6, 2013, 11:10 PM
Got a Detonics Combat Master?

JohnKSa
July 6, 2013, 11:27 PM
By the way, in addition to having a nice collection, your photography skills are good as well. I've been signing in every day to see the new goodies...

Thanks for the in-home gun show! :D

bc1023
July 7, 2013, 10:43 PM
Got a Detonics Combat Master?

Cool guns, but I don't buy small 1911s.

bc1023
July 7, 2013, 10:51 PM
Who likes classic Walthers?

Here is a near mint condition P1 from 1965. :)


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/011-6.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/011-6.jpg.html)

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bc1023
July 7, 2013, 10:59 PM
Here's a rather rare classic Walther.

Its the PP Super in 9x18 Ultra (not to be confused with the Makarov round) :cool:


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/001-17.jpg (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/briancut1023/media/001-17.jpg.html)

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Orion8472
July 8, 2013, 10:28 AM
Very interesting German guns! So, in what way is the 9x18 ultra different than the Makarov?

JohnKSa
July 9, 2013, 12:52 AM
The 9x18 Ultra was designed to provide the maximum power practical in a blowback action of reasonable size & weight.

The 9x18Makarov has a bullet diameter of 0.363" while the 9x18Ultra has a 0.355" bullet diameter, like the 9mm and the .380ACP/9mmKurz/9x17/9mmBrowning.

19-3Ben
July 10, 2013, 06:54 PM
Some of my steel handguns are strikers are well.

I really wish there were more steel framed striker-fired guns around. I once had a Kahr K40 that I loved. I sold it because i'm a jerk, and have regretted it ever since. I think Kahr's K series pistols balance, handle, and shoot soooo much better than those small guns ought to! The K9 Elite is, I think, just about the ideal carry gun for me, and I will have one. Mark my words.
I love the triggers on the K series, as well as the workmanship. It's no Korth, but it's a really nice smooth gun for a good carry gun.

bc1023
July 10, 2013, 09:07 PM
Anyone have a CZ99? Its sort of a cross between a Walther P88 and Sig P226. :cool:

...built in Yugoslavia


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bc1023
July 10, 2013, 09:12 PM
I really wish there were more steel framed striker-fired guns around. I once had a Kahr K40 that I loved. I sold it because i'm a jerk, and have regretted it ever since. I think Kahr's K series pistols balance, handle, and shoot soooo much better than those small guns ought to! The K9 Elite is, I think, just about the ideal carry gun for me, and I will have one. Mark my words.
I love the triggers on the K series, as well as the workmanship. It's no Korth, but it's a really nice smooth gun for a good carry gun.

I only own one Kahr, but its a good one. :)

T9


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