Best places for engraving trust name and town?


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Arizona_Mike
June 5, 2013, 02:26 PM
I am registering an early Glock 20 frame (lower) as an SBR (for carbine uppers), a Stoeger SxS as a SBS, and a Rem 870 as an SBS.

Here are my thoughts on marking:
Stoeger: On the water table (where the serial number is). No cosmetic impact
Glock 20: Bottom of triggerguard. Minimal cosmetic impact, limited wear.
Rem 870: I have not make up my mind yet

Mike

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Flyincedar
June 9, 2013, 02:12 PM
On the Stoeger, you're gonna have to put it where it can be seen without breaking the gun down, or open.

Glock sounds like a solid place.

On the 870, why not on the bottom of the receiver, in front of the shell carrier? Right where Mossberg marks model number.. I am not sure if there are any marks there on an 870 though without looking.

Arizona_Mike
June 10, 2013, 01:27 PM
On the Stoeger, you're gonna have to put it where it can be seen without breaking the gun down, or open.

Glock sounds like a solid place.

On the 870, why not on the bottom of the receiver, in front of the shell carrier? Right where Mossberg marks model number.. I am not sure if there are any marks there on an 870 though without looking.
There is no NFA specific language in 27 C.F.R. 478.92 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.92) or 27 C.F.R. 479.102 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/479.102). How could I go wrong putting my marks right next to Stoeger's serial number?

Good idea on the Rem 870, thanks.


Mike

Rob62
June 14, 2013, 07:50 PM
I SBS'd a Remington 870 and put my Trust's info (manufacturer) on the barrel. Per BATFE rules that is OK. There is not enough room to put the info for most trusts in front of the loading port on the bottom of the receiver. The side would be OK.

While I do not own a Stoeger SxS, I do own a Stevens 311 and think that the side of the receiver or bottom of it would have enough room to place the info. If you do not go with the barrels for location.

Don't forget there is a minimum font size, engraved depth, and style requirement.

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/03/batfe-engraving-requirements-f.html

Rob

Arizona_Mike
June 14, 2013, 08:54 PM
Depth yes but the height requirement of 1/16" is only for the serial number.

Mike

WNTFW
June 15, 2013, 11:15 AM
To engrave a gun or any other 'part' the engraver needs to be able to hold it in a jig, vise or fixture. Then they need to a place suitable that the machine will reach without interference. Sometimes rotating a fixture 90 or 180 degrees is needed. The spot needs to be big enough & flat enough. Most engravers will have trouble going down to the letter size of 1/16" and many people will have trouble reading a 1/16" letter. .100" is about as small as you reasonably want to go on any letter. I do a bunch of letters .100" each week for a guy and if they condense they get hard to read.

.003" is also shallow. Generally .006" on metal is a minimum starting point. It also depends on what finish will be used after.

The bottom line is I exceed the minimum requirements. That way there is no question the minimum was met.

Where everything comes together is the letter size, font, condensing, cutter geometry, size & depth all need to work along with jigging and locating the part being engraved.

The engraver needs to be consulted and probably see the parts to give a good answer on what would be possible. The engraver also need to listen to what the customer wants and come as close to filling there wants as possible. Guns are generally less profit and more stress than other things they could be doing. Maybe all of this will help when dealing with someone on your receivers.

On the 870's I have done some between the pin holes in the receiver.

The biggest problem I have on the 870's is I end up wanting every one I see.

Flyincedar
June 27, 2013, 08:14 AM
There is no NFA specific language in 27 C.F.R. 478.92 or 27 C.F.R. 479.102. How could I go wrong putting my marks right next to Stoeger's serial number?

There is, however, specific language in the NFA handbook that you may wanna look at. It must be clearly visible. Regardless of how anyone marked the gun with anything before, I wouldnt try to get around that.

Section 7.4 The identification of firearms.

7.4.2 Additional information.

Certain additional information must also be conspicuously placed on
the frame, receiver, or barrel of the firearm by engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), that is, they
must be placed in such a manner that they are wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms
manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch.

I cant copy the rest without copying all the crap at the bottom the page, etc. It just goes on to tell you the other required info, which includes what you're inquiring about.

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