Bullseye powder


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BunnMan
June 5, 2013, 07:52 PM
What are yall loading with Bullseye? I got a little over 1 1/2 lbs. of the stuff on hand and would like to shoot it up in something. The half pound is left over from a 115gr 9mm load I gave up on about 8 years ago and the 1 lb. I just picked up in a small lot of reloading stuff I bought from a buddy recently. Pistols I load for are 9mm, 10mm, .40, .44mag and I'm about to start .45ACP as soon as my dies arrive. Given the difficulty obtaining my pet powders I'd like to use this stuff up in one of them if somebody has a bullet combo they've been successful with that I can start working on. Incidentally, the 9, 10, and .40 are Glocks and the .45 is an HK, supposed to avoid lead in them stock barrels. The .44 is a Smith so it's like Mikey, it'll eat anything.

Thanks,

-BunnMan

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Wildbillz
June 5, 2013, 08:01 PM
You can use Bullseye on most of those calibers in one way or another. A quick look through my reloading manual showed the only one that didn't list BE was the 10mm.

I use it for my 45Acp loads and some of my 38spl. I use a lot more Unique then most other powders though.

WildBill

BunnMan
June 5, 2013, 08:05 PM
What manual and what bullets do you use it for in your .45 Bill?

NormB
June 5, 2013, 08:05 PM
light .38 SPL target loads with 148 grain HBWCs over 3.1 grains of Bullseye work great in my revolvers. I've also used it for 9mm PB and .45 acp. Goes bang, burns pretty clean.

Rule3
June 5, 2013, 08:11 PM
It was and is the Powder for 45 ACP and 38 special.

You shoot 45 ACP so there ya go.

I think it's to fast for 9, 40 and 10 mm.

TonyT
June 5, 2013, 08:19 PM
Bullseye is an almost universal powder for pistol cartridges. I use it with 125 and 147 gr. FMJ in 9mm, 148 gr. LHBWC in 38 Special and have used t in 45 ACP.
Alliant at one time published a huge amount of data for use with virtually every bullet weight and pistol cartridge combo available. Get a copy of the 2004 or 2005 Alliant Reloaders Guide.

nix4me
June 5, 2013, 08:20 PM
It will work fine in 9mm, 38 special and 45 acp. Most manuals have loads for these.

I use it in 38 special for "the load".

tyeo098
June 5, 2013, 08:20 PM
I use it for 9mm, 45, 38spl.

9mm target I have 3.7gr under a 124gr berrys plated.
45 target is 5.0 gr under a 185 HBRN berrys plated

my 38 loads vary a lot haha.

mjsdwash
June 5, 2013, 08:34 PM
love it in 380, 38, 45 acp, (4.8 grains, only one i remember) like it in 357, and its ok in 9mm

beatledog7
June 5, 2013, 09:51 PM
I've used Bullseye to great effect in .380 Auto, 9x19, .40S&W, .45ACP, and .38SPL.

I've used it to less satisfactory effect in .357 Mag (won't any more).

I don't use it in .44SPL, .44Mag, and 357Sig.

Rule3
June 6, 2013, 12:46 AM
I use it in 38 special for "the load".

Of course you a free to use whatever powder you wish, but if you are referring to the FBI Load, BE is not the best powder to use.

joneb
June 6, 2013, 12:55 AM
I use Bullseye in 38spl, 45acp and 9x18 Mak. Be has worked well for me, and I keep coming back for more.

gpurp
June 6, 2013, 01:54 AM
230gr FMJ over 5gr Bullseye is probably one of the most common loads for 45acp.

BunnMan
June 6, 2013, 06:35 AM
230gr FMJ over 5gr Bullseye is probably one of the most common loads for 45acp.

Now THAT'S good news!! I got a thousand 230gr FMJ on order with Precision Delta that will hopefully arrive before too much longer. I'll get back into my manuals to find a published load around 5gr to start working up.

-BunnMan

SlamFire1
June 6, 2013, 10:18 AM
The 5.0 grains 230 FMJ load goes all the way back to 1910. Bullseye was the powder used in the early 45 ACP cartridges and 5.0 grains at a velocity of 800 fps was the original cartridge specification.

You cannot go wrong with Bullseye in a 1911 as that is the primary powder used in two World Wars, and maybe all the way to Vietnam.

I have used Bullseye in the 9mm. Four grains with a 125 Lead gave me excellent accuracy and reliable function. This load clocked at 1100 fps in a M92 equipped with a Bar Sto match barrel.

You can create some outstanding target loads with Bullseye in the 44 Mag but you can't push the bullets fast. If you want magnum velocities I recommend 2400 in the 44 Mag.

BunnMan
June 6, 2013, 01:50 PM
I'm gonna be switching up powder in my .44s. I've been loading 180gr XTP (got 1000 free with my press) over 29gr of H110. EXCELLENT accuracy out of my 6 1/2" ported 629 but I'd like to get a little more mileage out of a pound of powder. I've never loaded lead but given the shortages...I think I'm gonna start loading it for the .44. Maybe an aftermarket barrel in the 9 or 40 and I'll load it for them too if supply doesn't catch up with demand on jacketted bullets soon.

jr_roosa
June 6, 2013, 01:54 PM
I use it for .38 and .45 too. I have 4 lbs I'm working through.

-J.

FuriousGeorge
June 6, 2013, 01:57 PM
I use 4.4 grains of BE in my 9mm Luger loads (Berry's 115 grain plated lead RN). I get an average of 1200 fps or of a 92FS.

thomis
June 6, 2013, 03:44 PM
when I hear BULLSEYE powder I instantly think of the .45 acp.
That's the caliber that put Bullseye on the map.

wgf
June 6, 2013, 04:29 PM
124 grain LRN for 9mm with 4 grains BE.
158 grain LSWC for 38spl with 3.6 grains BE
200 grain LSWC for 45acp with 4.6 grains BE

bluetopper
June 6, 2013, 05:23 PM
Bullseye powder has been the standard in 45acp for 100 years.

Jim Watson
June 6, 2013, 05:31 PM
I always say that if a pistol caliber has ever been loaded with smokeless powder, it has been loaded with Bullseye and you can make it work.

You do have to be careful, it is dense, fast, and high energy. The only gun ever demolished on our range was a S&W M686 blown up with what was most likely a double charge of Bullseye at magnum level. And loaned at that: "You say you are out of ammo, ol buddy? Well, here, take some of mine." Bang, bang, kaBoom!

Zeke/PA
June 6, 2013, 06:52 PM
I load .45 Auto and .38 Specials with Bullseye the big advantage being more shots per pound!

orionengnr
June 6, 2013, 09:53 PM
My friend loads for .38 SPL and .45ACP. All he has ever used is Bullseye.
Sure, there are other choices...but are there better choices? Some would say "no".

cwbys4evr
June 6, 2013, 10:47 PM
I love Bullseye in my 40, and I can't wait to use it on my Dad's 1911 when my brother sends it to me.

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BunnMan
June 7, 2013, 12:26 PM
Just thought this was funny. I checked my Lee 2nd Edition a little while ago...230 Jacketed Bullet using Bullseye: Start grains 5.0; NEVER EXCEED...ummm...5.0. Hahaha...not much to work up according to Richard Lee!!

Jim Watson
June 7, 2013, 12:54 PM
I have seen that in Lee data before. I always assumed it meant they did not have a disk cavity at a -10% starting load, but they do. Their .53 cavity is rated at 5.0 gr BE but the .49 cavity is rated at 4.6 gr BE which would be a good place to start.
Their tolerance is always minus, though, so neither is likely to drop as much powder as the chart says.

sniper58
June 7, 2013, 01:45 PM
I'm using 7 grains of Bullseye behind a 240 gr. cast bullet in my ,44 mag lever action. gives me 1250 fps out of a 20" barrel and 2" - 3" groups at 100 meters

Karys
June 7, 2013, 02:49 PM
Back in the day when I started reloading I found bullseye data for 10mm in one manual that I have. I don't remember the charge weight but I'm certain I didn't go over the max. I loaded up about 10 rounds at each charge weight starting from the bottom. On my third round the case head ruptured and broke the extractor on my Delta Elite. Certainly not a good thing to happen when starting into reloading. I've since gotten better advice and info and found a better powder to use in 10mm.

Since then I've only used bullseye in .45 ACP. The typical 5.0 grains behind a 230 grain FMJ has worked flawlessly for me for about 10,000 rounds now.

bluetopper
June 8, 2013, 05:43 PM
A 230gr bullet in 45acp can be shot with much less Bullseye than 5.0gr. This as a starting load is silly. 4.0gr will cycle just fine.

Arkansas Paul
June 8, 2013, 06:30 PM
It's my favorite .40 powder.

Springfield0612
June 10, 2013, 03:59 PM
I've used it for .45 ACP, .45 LC, 9mm, .380 ACP, .32 ACP. I finally ran out of a 4# jug and had to switch to my 4# of Hodgdon Universal. I want my Bullseye back!!!

Magnum Shooter
June 10, 2013, 04:34 PM
I just had a feeling last summer that we would be in this component situation this summer, so I bought an 8# jug and a 4# jug, as finances would allow. My single pound is almost empty but I still got 12# to go. I just love Bullseye for all cast bullet loading in handgun. From 380ACP all the way up to 44mag and 45ACP it works great for me. Some say it is smoky but I say it is a lot cleaner than black powder and Iím not afraid to get my hands dirty.

Miata Mike
June 10, 2013, 05:54 PM
I use it for my go to 9mm Precision Delta 124 grain jacketed hollow points. I have also used it in .45acp, 38 special, 44 magnum, 357 magnum, and .40S&W but decided to dedicate my jug of it to only 9mm.

nix4me
June 10, 2013, 08:46 PM
I use it for my go to 9mm Precision Delta 124 grain jacketed hollow points. I have also used it in .45acp, 38 special, 44 magnum, 357 magnum, and .40S&W but decided to dedicate my jug of it to only 9mm.
Do you use about 4.2gr of bullseye in those 124gr Precision Delta's?

BunnMan
June 10, 2013, 10:41 PM
I use it for my go to 9mm Precision Delta 124 grain jacketed hollow points.

What are you shooting that cartridge out of and how does it group for you? I'm using 5.3gr of Power Pistol under the same bullet as my plinker companion to a 124gr XTP driven by the same. The XTPs group beautifully, the PDs open up a fair bit which is to be expected to some degree. Just seems they could be tightenned up some. I got another couple thousand PDs coming soon I hope) so I might experiment a little.

-BunnMan

Miata Mike
June 10, 2013, 11:25 PM
Do you use about 4.2gr of bullseye in those 124gr Precision Delta's?

I don't use about, I do use 4.2 grains. My Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure drops 4.2 grains very consistently, I just don't remember what cavity I have been using. :D

I have found it to be very accurate in my Ruger P95 and my Brothers Sig P226, XDM and Shield. So so out of my old LC9 and S&W 652.

Fire_Moose
June 11, 2013, 02:38 AM
I just started putting masking tape on the outside face of the disk hole(heh) where I can write my common drops.

3.3 under a 135gr Berry's RN is a great steel load.

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Olympus
June 12, 2013, 09:32 AM
I use it for .45acp and .38.

hovercat
June 12, 2013, 08:58 PM
Want to have some real Bullseye fun? (use at own risk)
Try 3.2 grains under a 110-120 grain cast lead bullet in your 30-06. More fun than the law should allow.

joneb
June 12, 2013, 11:44 PM
Want to have some real Bullseye fun? (use at own risk)
Try 3.2 grains under a 110-120 grain cast lead bullet in your 30-06. More fun than the law should allow.
Wow thats even more scary than my .308 Win load with a Nosler 125gr BT over 16gr of Blue Dot :scrutiny:

A Pause for the Coz
June 13, 2013, 03:29 AM
Since Bullseye was the original ( or at least WW2) 45 ACP powder. I Use it in that.
I also use it in my .380, 75gr 32 s&W load, 105gr 38 special load.

Other than the 45 and .380 once I get to a heavier bullet. I go to a slower powder.
Usually Unique but I have a great Herco load for the 38 special out of my lever gun.

tyeo098
June 13, 2013, 11:48 AM
Want to have some real Bullseye fun? (use at own risk)
Try 3.2 grains under a 110-120 grain cast lead bullet in your 30-06. More fun than the law should allow.
You have piqued my interests. Explain.

Lj1941
June 13, 2013, 01:21 PM
Almost everybody agrees that Bullseye is pretty good. I guess thats why Alliant still markets it as the BEST powder.

cwbys4evr
June 30, 2013, 03:26 PM
Next time I see an 8# jug if Bullseye I'm buying it without question. I love it and wouldn't want anything else for pistol.

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mtrmn
June 30, 2013, 05:38 PM
I LOVE using Bullseye powder for pistol rounds, excellent for light to midrange loads and very accurate. Just don't try to get the kind of velocity you may get with a slower powder like Blue Dot, you might get more than you bargained for.
Also when charging your cases, be very alert to the possibility of double charges because it takes up very little room in the case. I could probably fit 6normal powder charges of Bullseye in a .45 case. Accurate #2 is the same way.

Trent
July 1, 2013, 09:18 AM
Works good for 9mm, I'm using 4.5gr w/ 115gr plated.

It feels odd, though; using more powder in a 9mm than I am a 45 for a bullet that weighs 2x as much. :)

warhwkbb
July 1, 2013, 03:29 PM
I use as little as 4.0gr BE under a 230gr cast bullet. This is just enough to cycle reliably for a reduced recoil load. This is how I got my wife shooting my 45. She now has her own 45 but she still uses reduced recoil loads.

Potatohead
July 1, 2013, 04:06 PM
I think it's to fast for 9, 40 and 10 mm

Quick, off topic, noob question: you need a slower burn for smaller cases? i thought rifles used the slowest and they have the largest cases..or does slower/faster powder have as much to do with the actual projectile? or does it not really have to do with any of that, necessarily?

frankge
July 1, 2013, 04:34 PM
USPSA lives on heavier bullet fast powder

Schwing
July 1, 2013, 05:00 PM
Quick, off topic, noob question: you need a slower burn for smaller cases? i thought rifles used the slowest and they have the largest cases..or does slower/faster powder have as much to do with the actual projectile? or does it not really have to do with any of that, necessarily?
I am a newbee too so take this for what it is worth.


It is, kinda the other way around. With fast powder, the gases expand at a faster rate but burn for a shorter amount of time. This is good if you are shooting smaller projectiles through shorter barrels. Even with the fast burn time, the projectile has usually left the barrel before the expansion stops. You would not want to use a fast powder with say a 50bmg because the gas expansion is so rapid that the pressure would exceed the max before the bullet had time to leave the barrel. You would almost certainly have an explosion.


With longer barrels and/or larger projectiles, a slower expansion of gases is desirable because it means that the expansion will be more likely to continue until the bullet leaves the barrel. This leads to much higher velocities. You would probably not want to use slow powder on say a .380 because you would not obtain good velocity and you would end up with expansion that continues long after the bullet is down range. This is dirty and you end up with a lot of unburned powder.

Anyone who can explain this better please jump in:)

Shmackey
July 2, 2013, 12:11 PM
It's absolutely not too fast a powder for 9x19, provided that you're loading for target velocities.

Shrinkmd
July 2, 2013, 06:22 PM
I'm using 7 grains of Bullseye behind a 240 gr. cast bullet in my ,44 mag lever action. gives me 1250 fps out of a 20" barrel and 2" - 3" groups at 100 meters

I remember reading somewhere about Bullseye helping to seal the bore better with more obturation, and that this would be a good load for an 1894 levergun. What bullet type were you using? All I have are bevel base, which aren't supposed to be as accurate.

I would love to have 3" groups with my 1894 at 100 yards.

RealGun
July 2, 2013, 07:15 PM
I just bought HS-6 as a replacement for Bullseye on 230 g FMJ for the .45 ACP. For that caliber, Hornady advises that Bullseye is better suited for lead in lighter weights, i.e. their 200g LSWC. I have other calibers and bullets that can use Bullseye in endorsed ways. I have about 7 pounds of it. Hopefully, my .45 ACP won't be so dirty now.

GaryL
July 3, 2013, 06:29 PM
I use 4.4 grains of BE in my 9mm Luger loads (Berry's 115 grain plated lead RN). I get an average of 1200 fps or of a 92FS.

As luck would have it, I just picked up 3 lbs of BE over the weekend. In the old red metal can, for a decent price. Well then I figured I'd better find a load to use it in, and happen to have a box of 115gr 9mm Rainier, and after checking a couple manuals, settled on 4.5gr of BE.

So last night I decide to load a few to try out, and come across this thread. Confirmation!

Just got back from the range. I'm getting right around 1080 fps. This powder is probably 40 yrs old, so with the plated Rainiers, that's probably about right.

Shot real nice.

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