Wang Dang Don't buy this Parang


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Sam Cade
June 6, 2013, 02:31 PM
Some time ago Gerber introduced a "parang" machete as part of their Bear "Pee-Drinker" Grylls line of knives with orange accents.

Due to serious design flaws it wasn't long before Gerber was forced to recall over 115,000 of these things due to the risk of catastrophic failure.
http://www.gerbergear.com/Frontpage/Meet-Gerber/Product-Info/Product-Notifications/Bear-Grylls-Parang-Recall

Since then, a product improved version is showing up on the shelves of all the big box stores and is selling extremely well.



Picked one up for T&E... but it didn't get that far.

Miserable rubbery one piece grip with a molded in texture that would utterly destroy your hands if used for any length of time. Yuck.

So I decided to go ahead and pull the grip off and inspect the tang to weigh my handling options.


Anyone notice anything a bit....troublesome? I sure do.

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Certaindeaf
June 6, 2013, 02:35 PM
It's no longer yellow.

MErl
June 6, 2013, 02:39 PM
Some genius must have seen a warehouse full of blades on some inventory report and decided to relabel them & sell them. probably got a bonus for it too...

or did they really design 2 heavy chopping blades in a row with the exact same defect?

JShirley
June 6, 2013, 03:10 PM
That is a horrible place to put that hole. There's already not a lot of "meat" to the tang.

hso
June 6, 2013, 03:48 PM
Yup

That would make me very uncomfortable to have that great honking hole at the transition of the blade to the tang.

lobo9er
June 6, 2013, 04:08 PM
but this was designed by "bear"....

Certaindeaf
June 6, 2013, 04:20 PM
If it's not swabbed/marked Red Bull, I won't buy it. that was a joke

blueskyjaunte
June 6, 2013, 04:56 PM
I hate to sound like a snob, but IMHO anybody with any "knife sense" would stay away from Gerber products in general. Their quality over the years has plummeted to the level of the BudK catalog.

Deltaboy
June 7, 2013, 04:58 PM
Shameful .

Certaindeaf
June 7, 2013, 05:05 PM
I remember taking half moons out of a brand new Kershaw skinner just whittling way back when it was in its "prime". no thanks

Texan Scott
June 7, 2013, 05:21 PM
Knew a Brit that claimed to know "Bear". Called him "Cookie" Grylls, not sure why. Called him a "prat".

I'm not impressed by the knives he endorses. A simple 3" drop point and a camp saw is probably all most outdoorsmen need. That and a "tactical" can opener. :p

JShirley
June 7, 2013, 07:53 PM
I usually suggest one big blade: kukuri, machete, bolo, hatchet, etc- and one small one.

rcmodel
June 7, 2013, 08:42 PM
I'm not impressed by the knives he endorses.You have to keep in mind they just paid him to put his name on a line of inferior products.

Push come to shove in the wild, without a TV crew & medics surrounding him.

He wouldn't use them either.

But I don't blame him too much for selling out while he was popular enough to make a buck or two.

His 15 minutes of TV fame has already run out it seems.

rc

lobo9er
June 7, 2013, 09:47 PM
I agree with RC. How many here would say "sorry gerber knives, keep your check" Although they are "survival" tools, in my opinion they are geared more for the yout's. Much like my Rambo knife with the compass and fishing kit.

ugaarguy
June 7, 2013, 11:28 PM
How many here would say "sorry gerber knives, keep your check"
I'd certainly tell them to keep their money if they wanted to peddle that crap using my name. There are too many other companies that make a quality product at a reasonable price that one could endorse. Namely, Buck is offering some nice big 420HC full tang fixed blades for under $60. Also, Schrade, who I hadn't paid any attention to until Blade this year, is beginning to get turned around by Taylor Cutlery. Their "Extreme Survival" series has some true full tang 1095 carbon steel big blades for $45 and under. Hso also brought their Chris Reeve copy hollow handle survival knives to my ay attention. Amazingly, those are actually made from a single piece of 1070 carbon steel, and they can be found online for under $60. The Extreme Survival name is silly, but at least the products are of good quality.

rcmodel
June 7, 2013, 11:45 PM
I'd certainly tell them to keep their money if they wanted to peddle that crap using my name.You might value your name more then he does?

Or you might value your name the same as he does?

But if somebody offered you or I a large sum of money to use it while your name was hot?

Unfortunately, neither you or I will ever have a hot TV show to find out what we would do I betcha!!

rc

ugaarguy
June 8, 2013, 12:01 AM
Rc, I think in large part it's just because I know what else is out there. I'd take a smaller check on the condition that Gerber use my name on higher quality blades if they were the only suitor. Maybe I'm just weird.

Archaic Weapon
June 8, 2013, 02:21 AM
Les Stroud seems to be doing alright with Camilus. Heard him talk about how he was infuriating them be insisting on product testing himself and changing stuff to make a better knife. I bet that his checks aren't small either.

Personally? I wouldn't use a knife who's sponsor's only claim to fame was drinking his own urine. If he's willing to sink that far to get noticed, he probably doesn't know an edge from a bar of soap.

RTR_RTR
June 9, 2013, 06:28 AM
Les Stroud seems to be doing alright with Camilus. Heard him talk about how he was infuriating them be insisting on product testing himself and changing stuff to make a better knife. I bet that his checks aren't small either.

Personally? I wouldn't use a knife who's sponsor's only claim to fame was drinking his own urine. If he's willing to sink that far to get noticed, he probably doesn't know an edge from a bar of soap.

http://www.camillusknives.com/product/1023473.0.0.0.0/19092/_/Camillus_Les_Stroud_SK_Jungle_Survival_Machete#ReviewHeader

http://www.amazon.com/Camillus-Stroud-Jungle-Survival-Machete/product-reviews/B0085ZDGEY/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Actually it would appear his machetes are also pieces of crap with flimsy handles

Sam Cade
June 9, 2013, 11:19 AM
Actually it would appear his machetes are also pieces of crap with flimsy handles
The carnivore is (that TTBOMK shares the tang with the Les Stroud thing) worse than the Gerber Parang.

Skip forward to the 3:00 mark for a good look at the tang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJyoGvEXPwA :scrutiny:

Dangerous dangerous dangerous!! :eek:

ugaarguy
June 9, 2013, 12:39 PM
Actually it would appear his machetes are also pieces of crap with flimsy handles
There was also a report here on THR of the carbonitride or whatever they call it coating making the fire steel included with the knives useless. The coating is so slick that the spines of the blades cant get any friction on the ferro rod, and just slide off.

Also, the Les Stroud knives are 440A steel, while the rest of the Camillus line up is AUS-8 or VG10. First off, why do you need a coating on a stainless steel with such a low carbon content? Second, why use 440A in the first place? The knives are made in China, so the AUS-8 used in the rest of the company's lineup, or the less expensive Chinese clone, 8Cr13MoV, wouldn't add much if anything to the price. I know AUS-8 isn't quite as corrosion resistant as 440A, but it's not carbon steel either. AUS-8 is also still pretty easy to sharpen: It's not some exotic steel Elmax or one of the other highly abrasion resistant super steels.

Then again, we're educated consumers. We aren't the target market of these knives.

TimboKhan
June 10, 2013, 11:29 AM
anybody with any "knife sense" would stay away from Gerber products in general.

I agree, and I don't understand why that is. It makes me sad that Gerber has sold out for poor quality, crap knives and it makes me sadder that they sell so many of them at prices comparable to companies that build good knives that will render better service.

Sam Cade
June 10, 2013, 12:47 PM
It makes me sad that Gerber has sold out for poor quality, crap knives and it makes me sadder that they sell so many of them at prices comparable to companies that build good knives that will render better service.

Indeed.

It bothers me enough to spend $35 to try and dissuade as may people as possible from buying these things.


What I don't understand is why Fiskars Oyj Ab chooses to run Gerber as a downmarket brand and loose all of that good will that Gerber had accrued.

jyo
June 10, 2013, 04:23 PM
Personally, I feel Gerber used to be (as in the past) good well-made blades of good steel---now they just seen to be a marketing name for a bunch of snip products capitalizing on Gerber's formally good name---I don't buy any of their crap---just my opinion...

22-rimfire
June 11, 2013, 06:18 PM
I used a Gerber Gator for a couple of years as a hunting knife and as a work knife as well. It wasn't bad. But that was then. The Gater replaced my old Schrade (large two blade) but it never really was as good as that knife.

Now I won't buy Gerber knives. But I did buy one of their little axes. It wasn't long after they were bought out that the quality started slipping.

Sam Cade
June 11, 2013, 06:26 PM
Welded up the north end hole on the Gerber parang. Gonna stick a handle on it I guess.

MErl
June 11, 2013, 06:54 PM
more faux-carta :)

Sam Cade
June 11, 2013, 07:25 PM
yep.

Yellow.

Waiting for it to cure right now.

Deltaboy
June 11, 2013, 10:53 PM
Let us know how it turns outs.

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