Using VV105 for 9MM 115gr RN


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shaff1101
June 11, 2013, 11:39 AM
I know that the VV105 is typically not used for 9mm, but I have seen a

couple of loads using 130gr bullets calling for 7.2 gr of powder. Do you

think that this would be a good start using 115gr bullets?

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KansasSasquatch
June 11, 2013, 12:43 PM
That powder is mainly intended for rifle calibers and magnum handgun calibers. It's going to be a poor choice for 9mm.

IMtheNRA
June 11, 2013, 01:09 PM
Sounds like a bad combination of powder and caliber. Here is a link to the 10th edition of VV reloading guide - note that powder is not listed in 9mm data:

http://www.lapua.com/upload/downloads/brochures/2012/vihtavuorireloadingguideed10_2012eng.pdf

Walkalong
June 11, 2013, 02:14 PM
It's quick enough to work decent if you can get enough powder in the case. It is similar in burn rate to AA #9, but bulkier.

I would have to study some data and take a guess as to a start charge, and it would be something for me to try, not to recommend, not knowing what it would do.

Good luck finding data.

italy176
June 11, 2013, 06:11 PM
I would give it a "shot." I have used N105 with 147 Grn bullets. I seemed to have a little bit of unburnt/partially burnt powder when using an open bolt/blow back carbine. So, I would advise using magnum primers.

shaff1101
June 11, 2013, 09:27 PM
Thanks, I do see loads for 130 and 147 gr. Should I increase load size for lighter bullet? The 130 gr shows min load of 7 gr and max at 7.4 gr. Would it be OK to start with 7.4 with a 115 gr bullet?

Walkalong
June 12, 2013, 07:28 AM
Based on that data, I would be inclined to try 7.2, but I am guessing, and OAL makes a big difference as well.

Be patient and I will try N105 in 9MM with 115 and 125 Gr bullets this weekend and report back. My guess is there will be incomplete burn. Be interesting to try.

Walkalong
June 12, 2013, 06:37 PM
I loaded up three each of Ranier 115 Gr RN & Berrys 124 Gr HBRN-TP bullets @ 1.130 and 1.150 OALs. The 124 Gr did not want to go any shorter due the powder compression.

Now all I have to do is shoot them. :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=185202&stc=1&d=1371076620

shaff1101
June 13, 2013, 08:25 AM
wow thanks for the trial run.

Jim Watson
June 13, 2013, 01:33 PM
I loaded some 145 gr 9mm with N105 and it did ok.
My main application for it was .357 Major; a bit faster powder than N110 and other full magnum powders.

italy176
June 13, 2013, 09:22 PM
I'm curious how Walkalong's chrono data will look. Any Quickload info anyone? I'm guessing that you can stuff 7.8 grains under the 115 bullet and still be at safe operating pressures at 1.155"

Walkalong
June 13, 2013, 10:57 PM
Probably, but I'm gonna start low. :)

Walkalong
June 15, 2013, 04:06 PM
Made it to the range today. 92 degrees and 54% humidity. Gun and rounds were ambient temperature when fired over the chrono set at 5 good paces.

All rounds fired from a 5" S&W 1911 with a Bar-Sto barrel.

115 Gr Ranier RN loaded to 1.130 OAL. (The bullet is an average .564 long)

1st Shot - 1151 FPS
2nd Shot - 1110 FPS
3rd Shot - 1138 FPS

124 Gr Berrys HBRN-TP loaded to 1.150 OAL. (The bullet is an average .616 long with a small hollow in the base)

1st Shot - 1118 FPS
2nd Shot - 1154 FPS
3rd Shot - 1141 FPS

Brass was a bit sooty, not bad, just not as clean as some loads. Primers all looked fine, and the ejection seemed normal. I did not notice any unburned powder, but there may have been some.

Walkalong
June 15, 2013, 04:51 PM
Brass Pics

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=185293&d=1371329466

shaff1101
June 15, 2013, 11:07 PM
That is awesome thanks.

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