Has anyone here run a bolt action in 3-gun?


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1KPerDay
June 11, 2013, 05:32 PM
I got a wild hair to try a 1903 or Mauser in an upcoming rifle/pistol match... but I'm concerned about a couple issues:

1. How best to carry strippers (I use Swedish Mauser strippers which don't always secure the rounds on the ends very well)
2. Emptying the rifle on the clock

My club rules say guns may only be tabled/dumped if completely empty, so with the 1903 if I happen to run dry and need one or two final shots before transition I'll have to load a complete stripper, take a shot or two, and then cycle the remaining rounds through to empty the rifle. Unless I want to try to mess with the mag cutoff and load singles for the final one or two shots. Which probably isn't a good idea under stress. :uhoh:

I guess a few more seconds isn't really going to make any difference... I'll be the slowest guy there in any case. :p

PLUS: I shoot long guns lefty... so that will make it even weirder. Maybe I'll run the closer stuff right handed. Hmmmmm.... Maybe this isn't such a good idea....

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taliv
June 11, 2013, 06:04 PM
No but it sounds fun. The PRS matches are turnin into 3gun matches and half of them have pistol now so maybe try that instead

Shooing 15 ipsc silhouette at 5 yards in 10 sec would be hard with a bolt gun but I think I could shoot 10 in 20 sec at 500 yards.

1KPerDay
June 11, 2013, 06:08 PM
I'll be happy to complete the stages before the 180 second par time runs out... :rolleyes:

Hoser
June 11, 2013, 07:13 PM
Robert has. Fun to watch.

Then he ran out of ammo and resorted to bayonetting targets. I gave him the hits.

1KPerDay
June 11, 2013, 07:17 PM
Robert has. Fun to watch.

Then he ran out of ammo and resorted to bayonetting targets. I gave him the hits.
Awesome. LOLOL :D

blarby
June 11, 2013, 07:35 PM
Robert has. Fun to watch.

Then he ran out of ammo and resorted to bayonetting targets. I gave him the hits.

Oh, now this screams for a shared video.

ID-shooting
June 11, 2013, 07:54 PM
Watched a guy compete a timmed stage with a Webley top-break against semi-auto race guns. Didn't win but came out in the middle once penalties were factored in. Lol

taliv
June 12, 2013, 10:08 AM
resorted to bayonetting targets. I gave him the hits.

man, that is hilarious

Trent
June 12, 2013, 03:02 PM
Then he ran out of ammo and resorted to bayonetting targets. I gave him the hits.

Yeah, I could see that. Generally not a good idea to argue with a screaming man that's holding a big heavy spear. :)

jmorris
June 13, 2013, 09:15 AM
There were a lot of people who timed out on stages at the Texas State multigun this year. If anyone ran a bolt action, they would have likely timed out on all but one or two of them.

Sam1911
June 13, 2013, 09:58 AM
Haven't done in in official 3-gun matches, but certainly have many times in our "practical rifle" side matches. Carry strippers in 1903/Garand style pouch belts. Or in the pockets of an IDPA vest. Practice smart loading to prevent having lots of extra rounds in the gun, and/or practice running the bolt fast to eject the empties. Or, use a bolt-gun with a quick detach mag. (K-31, Enfield, etc.)

Trent
June 13, 2013, 10:07 AM
Haven't done in in official 3-gun matches, but certainly have many times in our "practical rifle" side matches. Carry strippers in 1903/Garand style pouch belts. Or in the pockets of an IDPA vest. Practice smart loading to prevent having lots of extra rounds in the gun, and/or practice running the bolt fast to eject the empties. Or, use a bolt-gun with a quick detach mag. (K-31, Enfield, etc.)

K31 = the first bolt action race gun!

MAN that rifle was fast, for it's day. That straight pull bolt and box mag.. way ahead of it's time.

I ran a K31 two weeks ago in a "fun" rifle shoot and placed 2nd overall (10 shooters). Winner was using a scoped M1A. :)

Sam1911
June 13, 2013, 10:10 AM
My local pals dubbed mine the "Bolt-Action Machine Gun." Easy to beat a bunch of Mausers in that type of competition. Of course, any guy who's got his stuff together and can really run a bolt gun can do very well. Most folks seem to tend to use them like bench toys, not like hard-use, fast-action weapons.

allaroundhunter
June 13, 2013, 11:52 AM
I shot a match with a guy that was using a Ruger GSR... It was impressive to watch, actually.

Mat, not doormat
June 13, 2013, 12:24 PM
I used an Enfield in a SASS Wild Bunch match, back before they really got the rules hammered out. If you grasp the bolt handle between forefinger and thumb, and use your middle finger for the trigger, you can really make it sing.

I also shot an Auto-5 that day. I actually won the Wild Bunch that day, but more on the strength of the semiauto shotgun and actually knowing how to reload a 1911. Gained more than I lost with the rifle.

Ian
June 13, 2013, 12:48 PM
I haven't run a bolt gun, but I'm doing one this weekend with a semiauto Madsen LMG. :)

Carrying clips isn't that big of a deal - I've used a US cartridge belt for carrying M1 clips in matches, and it would do just fine with 5-round stripper clips too (they are actually intended for use with either the Garand or Springfield). You could also use on of the many available type of surplus clip pouches. Lot of Mosins were sold with pairs of clip pouches, for example.

I wouldn't really sweat the unloading time. If you're running a bolt gun, you are clearly not primarily concerned with winning. Use the match to have fun and learn about handling your rifle, and don't worry about how you place compared to people with more modern equipment. Unless you think you actually can beat them, in which case you should totally go for it. :evil:

1KPerDay
June 13, 2013, 02:01 PM
I wouldn't really sweat the unloading time. If you're running a bolt gun, you are clearly not primarily concerned with winning. You can say that again.

I tried a bit of practice running the bolts in my A3 and 03 Mark I... right handed, left handed, holding the grip lefty and running the bolt righty...

whatever way I choose it's going to be sloooooooooowwwww...:eek: :D

I have an Ishapore .308 also... hmmmm....

It'll probably come down to how many rounds I can convince my self to load in the next couple of weeks. My club prohibits any magnetic ammo now so my supplies of LC M80 and HXP are worthless. :rolleyes:

1KPerDay
June 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
There were a lot of people who timed out on stages at the Texas State multigun this year. If anyone ran a bolt action, they would have likely timed out on all but one or two of them.
Yeah, this is not a serious, statewide or regional match. I wouldn't put my fellow competitors through that... I'm already slow enough with "fast guns."

mokin
June 13, 2013, 04:29 PM
This thread has inspired me. I've wanted to try my SMLE in a three gun match for years.

waktasz
June 13, 2013, 06:25 PM
Be prepared for everyone to hate you

Sam1911
June 13, 2013, 06:31 PM
Be prepared for everyone to hate youSeriously! The jealousy will almost KILL them!

waktasz
June 13, 2013, 06:40 PM
No but watching someone take 5 minutes to shoot a stage might

Sam1911
June 13, 2013, 06:42 PM
Ha ha! Yup, but everyone's got to start somewhere.

Anyone can run a modern auto-loader. Someone who can post a respectable time with a bolt rifle really knows what he's about!

allaroundhunter
June 13, 2013, 06:47 PM
No but watching someone take 5 minutes to shoot a stage might

The par times at the main matches that I shoot are 6 minutes...

Beentown
June 13, 2013, 07:22 PM
Dollars per minute you are doing better. You are just being frugal with your shooting money.

1KPerDay
June 13, 2013, 07:37 PM
No but watching someone take 5 minutes to shoot a stage might
That's why they have 180 second par times, friend.

Ian
June 13, 2013, 10:15 PM
Makes me happy to have a local match that isn't just bullet hosing...stages they design tend not to give much advantage to high-speed gear. A bolt gun still puts you at a definite disadvantage, but not nearly to the point that people would get bored watching you shoot.

stubbicatt
June 13, 2013, 10:26 PM
Maybe if they are complaining of being bored, they can find excitement in pasting and scoring targets.

gotigers
June 16, 2013, 07:50 PM
I read last year that some "multigun" matches out west allow a 4th gun for long distance. Pistol, shotgun, semiauto rifle and precision rifle. Sounds fun.

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