Taurus Ply 22 LR


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the iron horse
June 11, 2013, 06:36 PM
I've been reading reviews of this pistol.

I'm about convinced to buy one.

Any thoughts / experiences with the pistol / other suggestions

Thanks

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rule303
June 11, 2013, 09:06 PM
Seem to be a pretty decent little pistol if it fills a niche for you. I have one just for fun, and it has been reliable with almost every ammo I have tried. The sights and long, heavy trigger pull makes plinking or target shooting a challenge, and the caliber leaves a lot to be desired for a carry gun. Mine is quite accurate if you can hold it on target, will shoot about a 2" group at 15yds with a rest.

weblance
June 12, 2013, 12:02 AM
I really like mine. Ive had it for a while. Its an accurate little pistol. I took out the magazine disconnect. It was a simple job. Dont dry-fire this pistol, it will leave a mark on the chamber. Mine runs well on CCI ammo, and Blazers are my load of choice. I got a great deal last year. I paid $185 for the stainless model. Keep a round count in your head when shooting, as there is no "Last Shot Hold Open" and again, try not to fire on an empty chamber.

Kiln
June 12, 2013, 04:40 AM
I've had one for a little while now and have a few rounds through mine, less than a thousand but getting close. It has been a good pistol and I'm going to list a few observations based on my experience.

Here's what I think you should know about them:

1. They're very light and comfortable to carry because of their relatively compact size. They can be easily carried around in a pocket and you might almost forget it is there unless you wear your pants skin tight.

2. They're very ammo sensitive, especially at first. When I first got mine, I hated it and was honestly considering getting rid of it before I tried CCI Minimags. You won't like this thing if you expect to shoot cheap bulk ammo through it because the recoil springs are stiff because with the design of this gun, they have to be. With quality ammo, which is hard to find right now, it is extremely reliable.

3. The flip up barrel is very convenient and the design is interesting. The gun field strips in seconds because of the design, which makes it very easy to maintain.

4. The trigger is DAO. It is pretty smooth and breaks clean but it takes some getting used to if you don't have experience with DAO pistols.

5. It has no extractor. The pistol uses the normal rearward slide movement to eject spent casings and load the next round but if you rack the slide, it will almost certainly fail to remove an unspent round. The flip up barrel makes clearing failures easy but you've got to understand that you've got to flip the barrel up, clear the unspent round, pivot the barrel back into place, and then rack the slide if you experience a failure.

Basically I think that if you get one and run quality ammo through it, the PLY22 will probably become one of your favorite pocket guns. I've really enjoyed mine.

Here's a picture of my PLY22:

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab47/Myguns223/PocketGuns001.jpg (http://s848.photobucket.com/user/Myguns223/media/PocketGuns001.jpg.html)

kokapelli
June 12, 2013, 08:51 AM
5. It has no extractor. The pistol uses the normal rearward slide movement to eject spent the spent casing
Ok I'm a little confused here! If the pistol has no extractor how does the rearward movement of the slide help to eject the spent casing?

Taurus 617 CCW
June 12, 2013, 09:18 AM
Its a straight blowback design, just like the Beretta version. The recoil operation is dependent on a certain grit of polish in the chamber (between 400 and 600 grit) in order to move rearward at the right time. After the case has expanded, cooled, and the barrel has left the muzzle, the inertia generated from the powder burning drives the case rearward. The gun was designed with a certain weight of slide and recoil spring so it doesn't overpower the inertia created.

I did the same thing with a 10/22 a couple of weeks ago. A customer had a problem with an aftermarket extractor so I removed it and test fired. It ejected perfectly without it. On straight blowback design guns, the extractor is only there in the event that you have to manually extract a case from the chamber.

kokapelli
June 12, 2013, 09:21 AM
Thanks.

aarondhgraham
June 12, 2013, 10:10 AM
I own the 22-PLY and the 22-PLY,,,
I absolutely love both guns.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=185194&stc=1&d=1371046117

I had terrible luck with Taurus revolvers,,,
But I decided to give the PLY guns a chance,,,
The .25 has never failed me in over 400 rounds of ammo,,,
The .22 has performed perfectly and I'm in my 4th 550 round bulk pack.

I do keep them very clean and well lubed,,,
I primarily use Federal Bulk Pack HP's from Wally World,,,
But the gun also ran with some CC_ Blazer and of course Mini-Mags.

The only thing that bothers me is the long trigger reset,,,
I had to constantly remind myself to let the trigger go fully forward,,,
But even that is no big deal because it only took a bit of practice to master that quirk.

All in all I like the little shooters,,,
I bought mine from Buds when they were only $201.00 each.

Hope this helps,,,

Aarond

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bannockburn
June 12, 2013, 10:11 AM
I believe my Beretta Model 70S also does not have an extractor and it has worked just fine through thousands of rounds for over 30 years now.

weblance
June 12, 2013, 10:24 AM
None of the Beretta Tip-Ups have an extractor.

MedWheeler
June 12, 2013, 05:24 PM
As has been mentioned, these guns lack extractors, which means that racking the slide will not eject a chambered round. You have to get used to that because, if you do rack it with a loaded magazine in place and a round in the chamber, the top one in the magazine will be fed into the rear of the chambered one, creating a "double-feed" jam. This is hard to clear because the slide is so thin and hard to hold onto.

So, as was brought up, if you have a failure, your typical "tap-rack-bang" drill won't work.

I don't have the PLY version, but an older PT-22, and I agree that these are dandy little pistols, easy to grab, carry, and enjoy. I don't carry mine for defense simply because I have other choices available (including a .32 that is even smaller.) But, I wouldn't be quaking in my boots if I was out and about with one.

md2lgyk
June 13, 2013, 11:28 AM
One criterion I use when buying a gun is that I have to like the looks of it. The PLY doesn't do a thing for me. But then, I'd have no use for a little pistol like that anyway.

MedWheeler
June 13, 2013, 12:14 PM
One criterion I use when buying a gun is that I have to like the looks of it. The PLY doesn't do a thing for me. But then, I'd have no use for a little pistol like that anyway.

Uh, okay. Thanks for contributing, anyway? :rolleyes:

Dain Bramage
June 13, 2013, 04:43 PM
I actually like the look of the Ply. Has a funky art deco vibe to it.

Mine doesn't like to run dirty, and starts to jam after about a 50 round box. Clean and lube and it runs fine for another fifty. It was never meant to be a range gun anyway.

weblance
June 14, 2013, 09:11 PM
One criterion I use when buying a gun is that I have to like the looks of it. The PLY doesn't do a thing for me. But then, I'd have no use for a little pistol like that anyway.

I like the look of the PLY-22. Its certainly unique. Looks alot better to me than a block shaped Glock. Plus its the only pistol I know of that can stand on its own.

USAF_Vet
June 14, 2013, 09:29 PM
I have contemplated getting one. My LGS usually has them in the $199 range. The heavy trigger is ultimately why I decided against it. It looks like it would be a fun gun, but for the cost, I'd rather put it towards something more useful. That's just one guys opinion, though.

kokapelli
June 14, 2013, 09:29 PM
I like the look of the PLY-22. Its certainly unique. Looks alot better to me than a block shaped Glock. Plus its the only pistol I know of that can stand on its own.
Is that right side up or upside down?

md2lgyk
June 14, 2013, 09:44 PM
Uh, okay. Thanks for contributing, anyway?

No problem. Just glad to help.

toivo
June 14, 2013, 10:09 PM
I have the older alloy version. Needs Mini-Mags to run reliably, and needs to be kept clean. You need to replace the recoil buffer from time to time on the older ones. I don't know about the poly version.

I had mine in my range box once at bullseye practice, and one of the shooters used it just for a laugh when his target pistol suffered a malfunction. He's a good iron sights shooter, and once he got used to the sight picture, he was able to get most of the shots to land somewhere on the target. :p

Seriously, that's at 50 feet shooting one-handed. Not too bad for a mousegun.

MedWheeler
June 18, 2013, 06:36 AM
Weblance writes:

Plus its the only pistol I know of that can stand on its own.

As can my Kel-Tec PF9. I'd bet my P32 could, too, if the fingertip extension was on the magazine, but the mag doesn't run reliably with it.

Kiln
June 18, 2013, 03:38 PM
Yeah the Kel Tec P40 can stand unloaded in several different positions. It is very balanced.

MCgunner
June 19, 2013, 05:35 PM
It's cheap, reliable from what I hear, and could be fun. I've heard it to be "accurate", but that statement was never quantified as in bench rested groups at 10 yards or something. I had a Beretta that wouldn't feed, wouldn't go bang about half the time, and wouldn't eject reliably. I worked with it, gave up and sold it to a dealer at a gun show. Maybe have been the exception, but I've been a little leery of the design ever since. I would think the gun might be a little ammo picky at the very least considering it doesn't have an extractor.

Just my thoughts. If you get one, let us know how it works. I might pick one up in a weak moment at Academy or something. :D Right now, though, even my relatively new SR22 is sidelined for lack of ammo availability.

Kiln
June 20, 2013, 04:43 AM
It's cheap, reliable from what I hear, and could be fun. I've heard it to be "accurate", but that statement was never quantified as in bench rested groups at 10 yards or something. I had a Beretta that wouldn't feed, wouldn't go bang about half the time, and wouldn't eject reliably. I worked with it, gave up and sold it to a dealer at a gun show. Maybe have been the exception, but I've been a little leery of the design ever since. I would think the gun might be a little ammo picky at the very least considering it doesn't have an extractor.

Just my thoughts. If you get one, let us know how it works. I might pick one up in a weak moment at Academy or something. :D Right now, though, even my relatively new SR22 is sidelined for lack of ammo availability.
Both mine and a friend's need to be fed CCI Minimags or Stingers to function properly. The bulk ammo doesn't have enough power move the stiff recoil springs back far enough to eject properly.

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