New No4 MKII's...consecutive serial numbers


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Mustang51
June 11, 2013, 08:03 PM
I just glommed a pair of No4 MKII's at an on-line auction...one still in the wrap, one out. They are supposed to be consecutive serial numbers.

"UF 55's"


http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2013/06/ConsecutiveEnfields_zps1995d32f-1.jpg

Hope the wife doesn't find out...

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Ignition Override
June 12, 2013, 01:44 AM
They are too purdy to take shooting.

A friend has one (coated in the cosmoline bag wrap) in his large, armored gun vault, and will never clean it or consider using it.

stubbicatt
June 12, 2013, 09:42 AM
Sa-weet! Man, I wish I could find something like that.

SlamFire1
June 12, 2013, 09:48 AM
I would recommend leaving the one in the wrap, in the wrap. Those came into the US from Ireland in the 90's and the ones in the wrap sold for a premium. I expect being still in the wrap, it is worth several times an unwrapped one to a collector.

Sergei Mosin
June 12, 2013, 05:43 PM
The UF55 rifles did not come from Ireland. They were most likely an RAF make-work order prior to the end of Enfield production in the UK and the sale of the Fazakerley machinery to Pakistan. Nice rifles, I have one myself.

The Irish contract rifles were built earlier and fall in serial number range PF 309348 to PF 359347. There were a number of different foreign contracts for No4 Mk2 rifles in the 1950s and just looking at the rifle's general appearance is not enough to tell where it came from - one must know the serial number.

TIMC
June 12, 2013, 06:23 PM
Awesome rifles, what a nice find!

I love my MK4 #2, mine is an early version. I have read they did not start production until 1949 but mine has a date of 09/48 and a S/N of PF380XX which is too low a number and too early of a date for the info I have found but it is marked MK4 No. II. all I know is it is the nicest shooting of all my surplus rifles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/F554A536-DEAB-4BAC-B91D-06EEAF7502A6-3537-000009B22EDB1A36_zpsd65e6f1b.jpg

Curator
June 12, 2013, 07:10 PM
TIMC

Did you do the "conversion" to "T" configuration? I have a similar Mk2 that supposedly came from India with the MkII scope and mounting. Research says no Mk2 rifles were ever made in "T" configuration.

TIMC
June 12, 2013, 07:41 PM
Yes it is a conversion done with a repro scope from Numrich. The conversion came out great an the rifle is very accurate.

Mustang51
June 13, 2013, 12:27 AM
Thanks, guys

The plan is to keep the wrapped one wrapped.

Nice T, TIMC...how do you like the Numerich mount?

TIMC
June 13, 2013, 08:59 AM
Nice T, TIMC...how do you like the Numerich mount?

The mount fit like a glove and the scope has very clear lenses. The one disappointing thing was that it did not come with screws for the mount. once mounted I had to add a small shim under the front ring to keep the reticle centered in the scope vertically and had to do a little grinding on the mount to center it left and right. I did think it was a bit pricey but it came out very nice. I believe they are made in South Korea and they say they are done to original specs. If you go with this mount on the MK4 you will have to remove the rear sight for it to fit.

1KPerDay
June 13, 2013, 02:10 PM
WOW. Jealous.

Mustang51
June 20, 2013, 06:22 PM
My pair of Enfields arrived at my FFL today and it looks like everything is as advertised. Consecutive serial numbers, one in the wrap and one out and cleaned up, but not fired. Was able to snap a few pics at my FFL's before they went into the safe.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/British/732abc90-defa-411e-af54-67afc76ea548_zpse82369be.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/British/P1010156_zps1837ef6a.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/British/e06c4006-9ff9-4d49-83fb-5f49fe76a077_zpsb87cac21.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/British/cdf0fadc-079e-4fe8-87eb-ab1508d5912d_zps30b6bd2d.jpg

Better pics after the 10 day "cooling off" period.

1KPerDay
June 20, 2013, 06:39 PM
Want.

MasterSergeantA
June 20, 2013, 06:40 PM
"Cooling off"?

Mustang51
June 20, 2013, 10:34 PM
"Cooling off"?

Yeah...10 day waiting period.

Used to be 3 days for handguns only and was referred to as a "3 day cooling off period"..to prevent someone from having a beef with his neighbor and running down to the gun store and buying a gun to settle matters.

Now it is 10 days for everything.

Jaymo
June 20, 2013, 10:49 PM
Paid $234 for one in 1994, and $199 for another in 1995. One still wrapped. Other has been a fantastic shooter.
What do they go for now?
Just curious. I don't want to sell. Just wondering how much insurance I need.

Ignition Override
June 20, 2013, 11:56 PM
Mustang:
Ten days. Well, if somebody still wanted to hurt somebody after five days, they would be willing to wait ten days.
And they can't sneak up on somebody by concealing a large rifle too easily...they would already have a handgun.

Those ignorant politicians never cease to amaze me.

Mustang51
June 21, 2013, 12:59 AM
What can I say, IO...this is California

Mustang51
June 22, 2013, 10:09 AM
Paid $234 for one in 1994, and $199 for another in 1995. One still wrapped. Other has been a fantastic shooter.
What do they go for now?
Just curious. I don't want to sell. Just wondering how much insurance I need.

Jaymo, by my calculations, you paid $433 for your pair. I got mine for a little less than twice that...and feel like I got a great deal.

Empirearms sold a consecutive pair, one in and one out of the wrap, in January 2010 for $1650.

http://www.empirearms.com/010510.htm

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/British/consecutivepair_zps1cb4183a.jpg

I've heard of, but can't document, a more recent sale for $2200.

Looks like you are sitting pretty...

Jaymo
June 22, 2013, 01:51 PM
Clough, cough. Ouch. $1650-$2200. That's a chunk.
I'm a big fan of the Smelly, but never imagined them going for that much.
Then again, they don't make them anymore, so getting unfired ones is getting harder.
I'd better shoot both of them a bunch to lower the value back to a more reasonable level. ;)

The one I've shot is a great shooter. Likes Hornady and Winchester ammo.
Remington ammo grouped like a buckshot pattern at equivalent range.

Easily my favorite bolt action military rifle.
Lays the smackdown on deer and hogs, too.

Mustang51
June 22, 2013, 05:42 PM
Clough, cough. Ouch. $1650-$2200. That's a chunk.

Yeah, I'd have a hard time swallowing either of those amounts. I thought two for $850 was a much better deal.

50 Shooter
June 23, 2013, 12:15 AM
Leave the one in the wrapper and shoot the other one, you have to be able to enjoy your toys and not just stare at them.

Black Butte
June 23, 2013, 02:39 AM
The cooling off period makes me angry.

Mustang51
June 24, 2013, 02:47 PM
Me too!

1KPerDay
June 24, 2013, 02:50 PM
Yeah, I'd have a hard time swallowing either of those amounts. I thought two for $850 was a much better deal.
That makes me furious with jealousy. Someone point me in the direction of the next deal like this, please! :)

Acera
June 25, 2013, 11:47 AM
A buddy of mine has one in the wrapper just like those. Only serial number exposed for inventory and for federal paperwork. He might sell for the right offer.
(only issue is he is married to his blue book for values, LOL)

351 WINCHESTER
June 25, 2013, 11:51 AM
Well the suspence is killing us. What is the blue book value?

Acera
June 25, 2013, 12:29 PM
I don't know myself. Got an email to him and I suspect he will look it up this evening..............................sorry:o

Mustang51
June 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
Who puts out the blue book for guns?

Acera
June 25, 2013, 12:52 PM
Who puts out the blue book for guns?


It's put out by Blue Book Publications, Inc. considered the industry standard.

http://bluebookofgunvalues.com/

He has the latest copy, got it from the author at the NRA show month or so back.

Mustang51
June 25, 2013, 12:59 PM
Thanks

Black Butte
June 27, 2013, 09:32 PM
Who puts out the blue book for guns?

The Blue Man Group. :D

Tinpig
June 28, 2013, 04:56 PM
Those late No4MK2 rifles are beautiful!

I have a '53 Fazakerley that's a great shooter.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_0510.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_0508.jpg

Anyone pick out what's wrong in the pictures?
:)

Tinpig

Mustang51
June 28, 2013, 05:06 PM
Thanks, Tin

Anyone pick out what's wrong in the pictures?

Don't know that it is wrong, but it looks like you have a beech forend and walnut buttstock and handguard.

Tinpig
June 29, 2013, 06:59 PM
The mag is a No1 type, the grooves in the side carry all the way down. The grooves stop short on the mag that is correct for No4 and No5 rifles. Theoretically the two types are not interchangeable.

The guy I bought the rifle from had lost the No4/5 mag that was serial numbered to the rifle :mad: and threw in a No1 mag that he had adapted. It actually fits and functions perfectly so I have no complaints as far as shooting. But I'm still looking for that correct No4/5 mag.:)

Tinpig

Mustang51
August 27, 2013, 11:45 PM
Finally picked up my goods from my FFL. I was able to go over the rifles carefully and everything seems as advertised...one cleaned up and unfired, one still in the wrap.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/f548bcd3-c40f-432d-bce2-edf961428438_zps6c66f0ee.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/5299659a-4f44-4bdf-81b8-28c6c795b13d_zps15f0f2c3.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/eb4acf7c-b459-462e-8b7e-ee25284ea01d_zpsbbeb4df2.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/7f53d486-68ce-497e-bdc5-6a3902cb5f83_zps65055175.jpg

Thankfully, the import mark isn't to bad.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/acc77c0d-da06-4734-8093-feaa14a1a3c8_zps7c10ce3c.jpg

gunownerz
August 28, 2013, 04:52 PM
I just glommed a pair of No4 MKII's at an on-line auction...one still in the wrap, one out. They are supposed to be consecutive serial numbers.

"UF 55's"


http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2013/06/ConsecutiveEnfields_zps1995d32f-1.jpg

Hope the wife doesn't find out...
These are great! Congrats.

1KPerDay
August 28, 2013, 05:26 PM
I'm nauseated with envy.

Mustang51
August 28, 2013, 06:47 PM
Thanks, guys and sorry 1K.

1KPerDay
August 28, 2013, 06:54 PM
lol :D

HexHead
August 28, 2013, 07:28 PM
About two years ago, I stumbled on an Irish contract one that been out of the cosmo only two weeks. It was pristine, and the guy wanted $900 for it. I carry around the serial numbers of those in my iPhone in case I stumble across one represented as such.

He wouldn't take a pistol as a partial trade, so I ended up coming home with a '78 Colt DS in 98%+ condition with box and papers instead. One of those was at the top of my wish list.

Kaeto
August 29, 2013, 06:34 PM
I'll still take my '44 BSA No 4 Mk II over those pristine ones, even as beat up as it is. I got lucky in that all numbers match on it.

henschman
August 29, 2013, 09:48 PM
So are you gonna pop the cherry on the unwrapped one? :D

Mustang51
August 29, 2013, 10:13 PM
eehhh...Good question. Not sure

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