CRKT Redemption?


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Tired_and_hungry
June 14, 2013, 12:30 AM
Does anyone here own this knife?

http://www.crkt.com/Redemption-Large-Fixed-Blade-Survival-Knife

If you do, or have handled one owned by a friend, what are your impressions of it as a "do-all" wilderness blade for chopping wood, butchering game, making a make-shift spear and defence against carnivorous animals?

How does it compare to a kukri, ontario RTAK or cold steel trail master?

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Sam Cade
June 14, 2013, 12:52 AM
I've handled one, but not cut anything other than a pool noodle.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that the handle on that thing would reduce a users hands to hamburger in fairly short order if it was used as a serious chopper.


Too short to use as a machete.

Too long to be a general user.




I'd rather have a $10 machete, a $10 mora and a $10 pawnshop hand axe.

hso
June 14, 2013, 01:44 AM
How does it compare to a kukri, ontario RTAK or cold steel trail master?

That's a remarkably wide range of blades that don't overlap well so I have to wonder if you're asking if it would work in all 3 roles or not.

Do it all designs usually mean do it all somewhat considering the compromises that have to be made to "do it all".

I've handled the Redemption as well and can't disagree with Sam too much.

ugaarguy
June 14, 2013, 04:14 AM
You could get an ESEE Junglas with sheath for a little less money than the Redemption, and the Junglas is a much better general purpose use big fixed blade. Or, for half the price of the Junglas you could buy the very similar Ontario RTAK II, and have money left over for other gear.

The KA-BAR / Becker BK9 or one of the other big Becker knives are some other high value alternatives. Considering that Ethan Becker took the so-called sharpened pry bar concept mainstream his knives are another great place to start if you want a big blade that's actually useful for a variety of tasks.

If you're serious about the makeshift spear requirement you could always get a Cold Steel Bushman.

What are your priorities for use of this monster?

JShirley
June 14, 2013, 06:00 AM
I can look at it, and tell you it's a bad design. No knife made for chopping should have finger grooves. Even at 70% of MSRP, it's not worth it, if you want an actual user.

Get a RTAK-2 ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DZV3BG/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001DZV3BG&linkCode=as2&tag=wanderin00-20
) and a smaller fixed blade ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001N1CBB6/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001N1CBB6&linkCode=as2&tag=wanderin00-20
). Those two together, shipped, will run you less than $140.

John

Sam Cade
June 14, 2013, 12:17 PM
I can look at it, and tell you it's a bad design. No knife made for chopping should have finger grooves.

I bet you one fiat exchange unit* that no one ever used
that knife before it went into series production.


This is just stupid. Just look at the potential hotspots!



























*Fred! :D

Sam1911
June 14, 2013, 01:18 PM
I'll jump in and say that the tip seems a bit fragile for something I'd want to really chop with. Not that you should ever chop with the tip, but if you miss the sweet spot, or hit something behind your target, that tip seems a bit thin.

bikerdoc
June 14, 2013, 05:04 PM
Agreeing with all that has been said above,

I just do not like recurve blades.

hso
June 14, 2013, 06:51 PM
Except that recurves make great choppers.

JShirley
June 21, 2013, 10:51 AM
But Ken Onion loves recurves, and even most of his pocket knife designs are recurves. I think the only reason this is a recurve, is so it immediately looks like a Ken Onion.

And it does. And I think it's stupid enough I'll probably never buy a Ken Onion design, ever, because of this knife.

John

Sam Cade
June 21, 2013, 11:58 AM
And I think it's stupid enough I'll probably never buy a Ken Onion design, ever, because of this knife.


I dunno If I would go that far (I rather like some of his Kershaw folders) but selling this Hibbenesque monstrosity as a functional knife instead of a fantasy piece is a mistake.

In survival situations, having a large fixed blade survival knife makes great sense, especially one specifically designed for a variety of cutting responsibilities.

:fire:

Originally envisioned as a jungle knife, the Redemption™ can be your one "go to" knife that is a versatile, useful tool, for situations you may find yourself in when traveling backcountry and exotic ecosystems. :rolleyes:

DNS
June 21, 2013, 01:39 PM
No way.

I've never liked Ken Onion designs. Can't for the life of me figure out why they are so popular and that sure looks Oniony.

JShirley
June 21, 2013, 02:38 PM
Yeah, the ad copy sounds almost as bad as some of the old Dork Ops descriptions...

Sam Cade
June 21, 2013, 03:04 PM
Yeah, the ad copy sounds almost as bad as some of the old Dork Ops descriptions...


I had almost managed to forget about that.

Almost.




The choil-notch doubles as both a bottle opener and peacemaker-its’ deployment and use is a great bar fight deterrent in exotic third world locales.


We don't have an appropriate smilie.

http://www.darkopsknives.com/photo/11.jpg

http://www.darkopsknives.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product.html&setup=1&ida=11&idp=3&his=0|3&cart_id=747985.796

slidemuzik
June 21, 2013, 04:03 PM
I have a CRKT Ultima 6". I love it. A mix of styles the blade shape is very unique. Tanto tip. Slight katana like curve to the blade. Beveled with the thickest part of the blade in the middle like a dagger.

It's a close to a do all as I've found. It can chop, slice, and has a strong enough tip to resist snapping off when using to puncture. I have found an intertube stretched over the handle made it more comfortable with a bare hand.

JShirley
June 21, 2013, 05:25 PM
Oh, there are definitely CRKT designs that offer high value for the price. I'm testing two now.

Sam Cade
June 21, 2013, 05:31 PM
I'd have an plain edge Ultima if it wasn't 1.4116.

slidemuzik
June 22, 2013, 03:09 AM
I'd have an plain edge Ultima if it wasn't 1.4116.

Why do you not like the steel? I'm not very knowledgeable about steels.

I opted for the plain edge as well. If I come across a deal for a shorter version in the future, That might be handy to have with the veff serrations.

Really top notch sheath as well. Hard liner. Multi carry options including molle and thigh carry. I keep a multitool in the outside pocket and a second small pouch attached with a small compass, firestarter, and sharpener.

Really nice review of the one I have here> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fG6XvjVyHQ

Devonai
June 22, 2013, 10:17 AM
Originally envisioned as a jungle knife, the Redemption™ can be your one "go to" knife that is a versatile, useful tool, for situations you may find yourself in when traveling backcountry and exotic ecosystems.

Roll your eyes if you want, but have you ever had to fashion a bow drill on the moon?

Sam Cade
June 22, 2013, 11:51 AM
[SIZE="2"]Why do you not like the steel?


It doesn't hold an edge. .

http://zknives.com/knives/steels/4116.shtml

A simple carbon steel would be a better choice for a knife that is destined for significant use.

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