Sig Trigger help


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rskent
June 15, 2013, 09:08 AM
Does the short reset trigger do anything to help the double action trigger pull on a Sig?

I have a P228. I have had it for quite a while. I have never been able to shoot it all that well.The long double action trigger pull messes me up.
After the first shot I'm fine, But the first shot is always way off. (at least in my mind) I already have a short trigger and a Sig action job on it.
Its a smooth trigger but very long and heavy.

Any thoughts on how to get a better double action pull on a Sig?

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ku4hx
June 15, 2013, 09:19 AM
I'm in the same boat as you and that's one reason I don't favor semi automatics with a DA first shot. Since I cut my teeth on double action revolvers, I can tell you that in my case practice got me to where I wanted to be. I don't mean 25 rounds a couple of times a year, for me it took a concerted effort and many range sessions and many rounds for a double action pull to become second nature. I practiced with a Ruger GP100 and a Redhawk/Super Redhawk since all shots could be double action.

But even today, I rake the slide for the first shot with a DA/SA semi automatic. My first experiences with a semi automatic was with a 1911 and a Browning Hi-Power. For those who favor a DA first shot ... that's great. But basically I'm a single action/safe action sort of guy and given the choices out there and what's in my safe, I'll likely just stay that way.

JDGray
June 15, 2013, 09:47 AM
Either get a lighter main spring, or cock the hammer first.... Or more practice:evil:

JTQ
June 15, 2013, 09:52 AM
From forum moderator 9mmepiphany's signature block, in the event he doesn't find this thread to help you out.

http://www.craigcentral.com/fearnot.htm

Fremmer
June 15, 2013, 11:12 AM
Or just shoot it SA.

And buy yourself a sig SAO! Great pistol with a cool frame mounted safety. Bonus: you and rack the slide with the safety on.

rskent
June 15, 2013, 05:01 PM
Lighter springs Why didn't I think of that.:banghead:

I guess I just don't think of messing around with a Sig. A 1911 or a Glock for sure but not a Sig. Just ordered a spring set from Wolf. For 15 bucks its worth a try.

Thanks Guys

9mmepiphany
June 15, 2013, 05:43 PM
JTQ, thanks for the mention, yes that article is very useful.

First to answer the original question. The SRT has no effect on the DA trigger stroke, it's only effect is to the reset point in SA.

I'd think the Short Trigger is more an impediment to a smooth DA trigger stroke (it places the letoff to far to the rear, cramping the trigger finger's travel), unless your index finger reach was too short to place the pad of your finger on the face of the trigger. There is no finger placement difference between the DA and SA trigger presses.

I started in LE with a revolver so transitioning to a DA/SA SIG wasn't a huge leap, You just place your finger on the trigger face and draw it to the rear as you press the gun out toward your target. When shooting defensively, you don't really notice the extra travel or weight

When working with clients, I've found that the DA trigger stroke on my SIG 226 is often the cure to their anticipatory jerking of the trigger in SA

Bovice
June 16, 2013, 02:47 AM
To the suggestion of changing mainsprings.... you should know that lightening the mainspring could affect the reliability of ignition. I'd leave it be anyways. Of all springs in a P series pistol, I have never heard of a worn out mainspring. Wolff gunsprings? Not in my SIGs. Factory only. I'm an engineer, and I am sure someone smarter than I determined what springs I'd need in the design. I didn't do their calculation or run their tests, but I feel confident in saying that they have a good handle on it.

You can learn the DA pull, just stick with it.

rskent
June 16, 2013, 07:40 AM
9mm Thanks for the input on the SRT. The articles were very helpful. I think my problem stems mainly from my fat stumpy fingers reaching for the trigger. After the DA shot my finger moves on the trigger.
You just place your finger on the trigger face and draw it to the rear as you press the gun out toward your target.
This may very well be the golden nugget of this thread.


Bo Sig does indeed make a great gun. I think thatís why I didnít think to try a little lighter mainspring.

JDGray
June 16, 2013, 09:08 AM
Of all springs in a P series pistol, I have never heard of a worn out mainspring. Wolff gunsprings? Not in my SIGs. Factory only.
Not worn out, too stiff...
Wolff does in fact, supply oem springs to gun makers, not sure if Sig is one of them, but quality is not an issue with wolff.

OP, if this is a SD handgun, I would in fact just practice more. But a lighter spring will help, and reliably ignite primers if you don't go to far with it. There are some very hard primers they must be able to hit hard enough (S&B ammo for one) so the factory spring may be overkill for Federal ammo so to speak. Sig has to cover their butt, so they put in enough spring for any primer... Just check reliability before you carry it.

TroyR
June 16, 2013, 05:04 PM
I bought a P226 last month...Was worried about the same thing. I just practice with it. I shoot the first DA shot just fine. Train more with the gun and you will be fine.

Destructo6
June 18, 2013, 05:05 PM
How old is it, exactly?

Older P226s, and I assume 228s, have hammer springs that are captive and sit on a metal seat. These tend to be somewhat gritty in DA.

Newer versions use a plastic seat and are not captive.

Swapping the newer for the older should clean up the DA pull some and, while you are at it, install a 17lb hammer spring. Doing both of these should change the DA pull significantly.

Hammer strut is $10
Spring Seat is $5
Wolff hammer spring is $4.

All from Topgun supply.

It would be the best $20 you ever spent on it. Swapping the parts is very easy, too.

Do the SRT for another $50, if you like. This, however, only effects the SA reset.

Then, practice with that DA nonstop. Dry fire the crap out of it.

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