.308 grouse load


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vincyr
June 15, 2013, 11:19 AM
I got kinda lucky yesterday.
I found some of this
http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/IMR-Trail-Boss-Smokeless-Powder.jpg
and some of these
http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/primary/222/222789.jpg(100gn plinker bullets)

I am looking to use them to work up a low power, "grouse" load for my .308, for those days I go out for deer and only see squirrels and bunnies. Can anyone recommend a starting point?

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buck460XVR
June 15, 2013, 11:58 AM
Is it legal to use centerfire rifles on grouse in NY? I know it's not here in Wisconsin, altho probably half the shots one hears after opening day of deer season is probably at them.

Rule3
June 15, 2013, 12:21 PM
The top paragraph.

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

How much bird is left after a hit with a 110gr, 30 cal bullet??? or do you stone and sandblast them like barking a squirrel?

popper
June 15, 2013, 03:44 PM
I've shot them with unique, just don't try to drive them too fast. Fun, almost accurate.

vincyr
June 16, 2013, 09:23 AM
Is it legal to use centerfire rifles on grouse in NY? I know it's not here in Wisconsin, altho probably half the shots one hears after opening day of deer season is probably at them.
As far as I know. IIRC, pheasant and turkey require shotgun, but grouse are subject to the same regs as other small game. Plus, "grouse load" is a general term(coined by Townsend Whelen, IIRC) for a low power load for a centerfire rifle, to use on small game without destroying them.

How much bird is left after a hit with a 110, 30 grain bullet??? or do you stone and sandblast them like barking a squirrel?
Should be plenty, as long as the power is kept low enough. I figure about 1000 fps would put it somewhere between .22lr and .22wmr as far as energy.

rajbcpa
June 16, 2013, 09:43 AM
The biggest problem is sighting in your rifle for this load and then having a big NY deer walk in front of you when you want to kill it with a deer ammo round.

Walkalong
June 16, 2013, 01:20 PM
Fill the case to 100% load density. Expect in the neighborhood of 1200 FPS.

Rule3
June 16, 2013, 01:33 PM
I thought he was gonna say only taking head shots.:D

poco loco
June 16, 2013, 01:42 PM
there's trail boss data available at Hodgdon's site but the universal TB formula from Hodgdon is take 100% load density to base of bullet only, do not compress Trail Boss, weigh it, multiply by .7, somewhere between 70% and 100% load density you will find accuracy....they all shoot like a powderpuff, iirc I was using 10g in my 30-06 under a 185gc lead bullet that stayed subsonic and was quite accurate out of my rifle.....

Rule3
June 16, 2013, 01:46 PM
there's trail boss data available at Hodgdon's site but the universal TB formula from Hodgdon is take 100% load density to base of bullet only, do not compress Trail Boss, weigh it, multiply by .7, somewhere between 70% and 100% load density you will find accuracy....they all shoot like a powderpuff, iirc I was using 10g in my 30-06 under a 185gc lead bullet that stayed subsonic and was quite accurate out of my rifle.....

Yep just like post #3:what:

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