Carbine Conversion Unit


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WALKERs210
June 17, 2013, 12:20 AM
Don't remember exactly how I came across this setup but it did peak my attention. From what I have seen this is a conversion that uses the lower of a 1911 or Glock to wind up with a 16" barrel Carbine. Getting ready to do an in depth search for information both positive and negative. The attached pic shows it in a basic setup and looks like you can all the bells and whistles you want

This is link to their home page.
http://www.mechtechsys.com/index.php

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bigfatdave
June 17, 2013, 01:41 AM
Mine just arrived, I haven't even had a chance to unbox it with work and various family emergencies

Reviews are few and far between, I'll likely try to make a good writeup once I have a chance to shoot it

Be warned, the waiting list to order is quite long, although they build & ship it pretty quick once you get your order in

WALKERs210
June 17, 2013, 01:05 PM
I recently sold the last 1911 I owned, but if your review is positive might have a reason to buy another 1911. Looking forward to what you think of it

ambidextrous1
June 17, 2013, 01:28 PM
I've had one for about 15 years, and they are a lot of fun to shoot, and quite accurate.

My only complaint is that my shooting pals take it away from me and tend to use up all of our range time.

Incidentally, I had a Marlin .45 carbine for many years, and sold it a few years after I acquired the CCU.

Don't think of this as a range report; it's just a comment from a long-term satisfied owner. :cool:

GarySTL
June 17, 2013, 02:58 PM
Not trying to be a smart a**, but isn't that a pistol with a shoulder stock, regardless of barrel length?

Carl N. Brown
June 17, 2013, 03:15 PM
Under federal law, if the barrel is 16" or over and the over-all is 26" or over, you have constructed a legal rifle from a pistol.

Ed Ames
June 17, 2013, 03:15 PM
Not trying to be a smart a**, but isn't that a pistol with a shoulder stock, regardless of barrel length?

Legally, the current answer seems to be "no."

T/C went through this with their contenders. If it starts as a handgun, it can be converted to be a rifle and back so long as it doesn't run afoul of the NFA rules. If it will run afoul of those rules, pay your tax stamp and wait for your paperwork, state law allowing.

.338-06
June 17, 2013, 03:40 PM
I recently sold the last 1911 I owned, but if your review is positive might have a reason to buy another 1911. Looking forward to what you think of it
They also make units for Glocks.

bigfatdave
June 17, 2013, 09:27 PM
Copying an unboxing writeup from elsewhere:
Well, my CCU arrived last week, while I was out of town. Had to have a friend pick it up from my porch, we got together yesterday and I finally got to unbox it and assemble.

The unit is heavy, but not as heavy as I feared. It balances nicely. It feeds snap-caps from my CIT45CSP frame and metalform mags just fine, and that gun had a nice trigger as a pistol, so it continues to have a nice trigger as a rifle.

It was a bit less assembled than I'd imagined, they essentially put the stock and mini-quad-rail on and arranged all the other parts in the box. At first I was mildly annoyed, then I remembered that they're all standard rail mounts and happily played LEGO for a few minutes putting it together. Still need to mount the sling point and add a sling, as well as the rail for the top of the carry handle (I have a cheap red/green dot sight I intend to mount there at some point). Assembling the fire-control group to the CCU was simple and obvious.

The short M4 stock extends enough to be comfortable for me (6'3") and goes short enough for the Mrs (5'2"), so I made the right choice there. We're both used to aperture sights, so the M4 sight system I ordered (carry-handle mounted peep and turret front) should be good.

Firing and sight-in sometime this week if I can get free, as well as a side-to-side comparison with a KelTec sub2000 and M1 Carbine.

Not trying to be a smart a**, but isn't that a pistol with a shoulder stock, regardless of barrel length? No, it is a rifle. This isn't new territory, the mechtech website has info on this as well as various discussions here and elsewhere about pistol-to-rifle conversions.
The entire NFA system is stupid and screwed-up in a lot of ways, the initial concepts are deeply flawed. But it is pretty abvious that if you have a rifle that happens to incorporate your old pistol frame as a FCG, it is a rifle. If you take that FCG out of your rifle and re-install the old slide unit, it is obviously a pistol. The CCU with no stock meets minimum silly NFA rules, and the barrel isn't easily changed out (well, a sawzall makes everything easy, if you believe in "constructive posession"), so an unregistered NFA item isn't easily configured out of the parts on the table when you convert or de-convert.

Sam1911
June 17, 2013, 10:12 PM
For quite a few years ATF DID consider that putting the original parts back into your pistol receiver after having used a kit like the MechTech unit was construction a handgun FROM a rifle. And actually, it quite literally is. And that, quite literally is one of the definitions of a regulated firearm under Title II of the NFA.

However, a couple of years back that ATF reversed itself rather suddenly and now treats the whole matter in the spirit of the SCOTUS case US vs. Thompson Center Arms, and now if you start with a handgun, you can go back and forth at will without running afoul of any federal laws.

bigfatdave
June 17, 2013, 11:36 PM
I think that F-troop realized that their silly opinion was entirely unenforceable, myself.

GarySTL
June 17, 2013, 11:39 PM
Thanks for the explanation, and I certainly agree about the ATF being screwed up. :rolleyes:

dprice3844444
June 18, 2013, 12:46 AM
you can get complete glock lowers from glockstore and gb for around 200 bucks.use higher cap mags

BunnMan
June 18, 2013, 04:42 AM
Years ago a fellow I used to shoot with bought a collapsable stock that slipped into the void in the grip of most any model Glock. He also mounted a red dot sight that replaced the rear notch on the slide. The thing was a blast to shoot and would nail 1 poind propane cans at 50yds all day. These were in plentiful supply around the campsight as damn near any empty can would inevitably get tossed downrange and filled with holes. Anyway...was that little piece in some sort of violation once assembled? The stock was around $140 back then as I remember and literally just popped in and out of the grip in a second.

-BunnMan

Sam1911
June 18, 2013, 06:46 AM
BunnMan, if that didn't also include a barrel over 16", then yes. He was making a short-barreled rifle. Without registering the pistol FIRST as a Title II firearm, that would be worth 10 years in prison AND $250,000 in fines.

BunnMan
June 20, 2013, 03:31 PM
WOW!! I had no idea, seemed harmless enough.

Ummm...when I said it was a blast to shoot I meant that's what the other guys said...I never touched the evil little contraption. Damn Hooligans!!!

BunnMan
June 20, 2013, 03:34 PM
Found it online...

http://www.botachtactical.com/tacglockstock.html

BunnMan
June 20, 2013, 03:37 PM
The I see on this site they call it out...

http://www.themakogroup.com/product_p/glr440.htm

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