Which Commander 1911 to get?


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Theraztastic
June 18, 2013, 11:49 PM
I am currently looking at 3 compact 1911s and do not know which one I want to get. A Sig Sauer C3, a Kimber Compact CDP ii, or a Ruger SR1911 Commander. I have owned a full size Ruger SR1911 and never had a problem with it but sold it to get something with the option of concealing. The Kimber might cost a little more than I would like to pay but I will pay it if I think it will be worth it. I have heard about issues with the Sig having problems ejecting the last round but I am not sure how common the problem is and I find the gun very appealing. The Ruger is the one that I may fall back on if I bail out on the others because I have owned one and had no issues with it. What do yall think between the 3? Anyone have experience with the Sig or Kimber? Any other compact 1911s that are similiar?

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rcmodel
June 18, 2013, 11:58 PM
Mmmm?

If it ain't a Colt, it ain't a Commander in my gun safe.

rc

ColtPythonElite
June 19, 2013, 12:25 AM
Colt

Water-Man
June 19, 2013, 12:51 AM
I have an aquaintance who likes his S&W1911.

tarosean
June 19, 2013, 12:58 AM
Pretty sure both the CDP and C3 are officers sized. (shorter magwell/grip) Are you carrying OWB? The "extra" 3/4 of an inch really isnt noticeable in IWB. Now if its a weight issue that that's another thing.
In addition. I personally would look at STI instead of the Kimber.

MICHAEL T
June 19, 2013, 02:13 AM
A Commander is Colt others are just a copy I would get a Colt Lite weight are nice for carry I have both a 9 and 45 LTW. and steel works also I have a couple of those in 45 . .

allaroundhunter
June 19, 2013, 03:12 AM
How about a Colt Lightweight Commander? As stated by others, the commander is a Colt thing. Why not go with what started it (and what actually is)? The others are Commander size, not Commanders.

MAG-63
June 19, 2013, 04:27 AM
Colt.

bannockburn
June 19, 2013, 06:34 AM
Love my Colts!

Old Guy
June 19, 2013, 06:51 AM
Colt LWC, you just can not shoot it too much, the frame cracks. But a huge difference in carry comfort.

Olympus
June 19, 2013, 07:31 AM
Technically, you have 3 different size guns and only one of them is a TRUE commander.

1. Sig C3 is considered a CCO size. It has a compact frame, but has a commander length slide (4/4.24" barrel)

2. Kimber Compact CDP is actually a compact 1911. It has a compact frame and a 3.5" barrel.

3. SR1911 Commander is the only true commander and is the biggest of the three with a full size 1911 frame. It also has the same slide/barrel length as the C3 (4/4.25").

So you've really got an apples to oranges comparison going. My brother owns a C3 and I was blown away with the quality. Sig 1911s are probably the most underrated gun on the market today. I also think they bring the most bang for your buck right now. The Sig would get my vote.

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/brownscustomgrips/P2230173_zpsc2008be7.jpg (http://s787.photobucket.com/user/brownscustomgrips/media/P2230173_zpsc2008be7.jpg.html)

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/brownscustomgrips/P2230171_zpse2122982.jpg (http://s787.photobucket.com/user/brownscustomgrips/media/P2230171_zpse2122982.jpg.html)

2wheels
June 19, 2013, 09:31 AM
Out of those 3, I'd probably go with the Sig (Which is actually a CCO, and not a Commander as Olympus pointed out, but CCOs sized 1911s are awesome for carry).

Outside those options however, I'd go with a Colt.

I've got a Colt TALO edition CCO, it's an awesome carry 1911. My next 1911 will probably be a true Colt Commander.

Greg528iT
June 19, 2013, 09:57 AM
Of your 3 choices probably the Ruger.

A CCO (officer frame (shorter 6+1) and 4"-4.25" barrel) make a lot of sense.

Also look at STI. I got a Spartan and bobbed the tail
http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/jaggoett1/STIBob2_zpsf6674448.jpg (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/jaggoett1/media/STIBob2_zpsf6674448.jpg.html)

meanmrmustard
June 19, 2013, 10:11 AM
Me being the OP, Colt.

I'm kinda like RC: If it ain't Colt, it ain't the real deal.

I'm not impressed with the Ruger 1911s at all.

Olympus
June 19, 2013, 10:35 AM
I can't buy the whole "if it ain't a Colt, it ain't real" argument. It's not really true and it really kind of smells of snobbery when I see/read it. And I own Colts too.

Colts are fine guns, but a lot of "copies" will put Colt 1911s to shame.

meanmrmustard
June 19, 2013, 10:44 AM
I can't buy the whole "if it ain't a Colt, it ain't real" argument. It's not really true and it really kind of smells of snobbery when I see/read it. And I own Colts too.

Colts are fine guns, but a lot of "copies" will put Colt 1911s to shame.
I dare say, Ruger is not one of them, at least to me.

Colt Commander is what it is. Nothing snobbish about it.

I'm a Ruger fan, well, their rifles and 22s.

nathan
June 19, 2013, 10:47 AM
Spent the money and get the Dan Wesson . Or just go for the Ruger .

tarosean
June 19, 2013, 11:09 AM
I can't buy the whole "if it ain't a Colt, it ain't real" argument. It's not really true and it really kind of smells of snobbery when I see/read it. And I own Colts too.

Colts are fine guns, but a lot of "copies" will put Colt 1911s to shame.



I don't think it has anything to do with snobbery. Point blank, It is the only pistol with the Commander name in the rollmark. You don't call a S&W Sigma a Glock do you?

Yes there are some outstanding 1911A1 manufactures out there, and I own several. But even this one is NOT a Commander.

http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj507/tarosean/13c3e94d-6469-40a6-aa6f-efecaba48933_zps8ffdcc4d.jpg

Olympus
June 19, 2013, 11:11 AM
I dare say, Ruger is not one of them, at least to me.

Colt Commander is what it is. Nothing snobbish about it.

I'm a Ruger fan, well, their rifles and 22s.

I agree, the Ruger is certainly not one of them. I didn't mean to imply that.

Not saying owning a Colt or talking about how nice they are is snobbish at all. Just the saying that anything other than a Colt is a fake/copy or implying that it's not as good.

Kleanbore
June 19, 2013, 11:14 AM
I bought an STI Guardian , which I like. All steel--I wanted the weight for an all-day course.

The Officer's frame helps in terms of concealment, but a true Commander length would be fine.

A Commander frame is easier for most people to shoot well, but I like less grip under my shirt.

I would consider a Dan Wesson CCO.

Greg528iT
June 19, 2013, 11:18 AM
Commander is to Colt as nose blowing tissue is to Kleenex. Or ouchie covering adhesive strips are to Band-aid.

If I hear Commander, I expect someone is talking about a 1911 style platform, with a 4- 4.25" barrel and a standard length grip.

tipoc
June 19, 2013, 11:19 AM
First choice would be a Colt.

Dan Wesson is making very good guns for the money right now.

tipoc

nathan
June 19, 2013, 11:27 AM
For the purist, the word commander is Colt brand. So just use the Commander clone terminology . I would go for the Ruger brand . The price hovers around $800.

JTQ
June 19, 2013, 11:33 AM
Olympus wrote,
I can't buy the whole "if it ain't a Colt, it ain't real" argument. It's not really true and it really kind of smells of snobbery when I see/read it. And I own Colts too.
I like Colt's and will agree with those that say Colt really does own the Commander name. However, I'm not that much of a snob and I'm willing to call any 4.25" barreled 1911 with a full size grip frame a Commander.

Greg528iT wrote,
If I hear Commander, I expect someone is talking about a 1911 style platform, with a 4- 4.25" barrel and a standard length grip.
On the other hand, I am enough of a terminology snob that I won't call a 4" barreled 1911 a Commander. It makes a difference when you are buying holsters. A holster designed for a Kimber Pro or a Springfield Champion that Greg528iT may call a Commander, is not going to fit your Colt Commander, or Ed Brown Carry model.

Olympus
June 19, 2013, 11:42 AM
If I hear Commander, I expect someone is talking about a 1911 style platform, with a 4- 4.25" barrel and a standard length grip.

I agree.

Olympus
June 19, 2013, 11:45 AM
First choice would be a Colt.

Dan Wesson is making very good guns for the money right now.

tipoc

Throw Dan Wesson into the mix and there is no contest whatsoever. I own several Dan Wessons and they flat out blow every Colt I've ever seen out of the water, including my own. Dan Wesson 1911s are superior to Colt in every way, shape, and form besides name recognition.

Greg528iT
June 19, 2013, 12:15 PM
On the other hand, I am enough of a terminology snob

Oh don't get me wrong, I can be as well.. I just went thru it with recoil springs, light, normal and heavy...
BUT... I also use context as a guide. If we are talking fitting a holster, at that point I would insist on using the actual Company, style and length. ie. I am looking for a holster for my Colt Commander. Springfield Ultra Compact at 3.5". etc etc.

meanmrmustard
June 19, 2013, 04:44 PM
Double post

meanmrmustard
June 19, 2013, 04:47 PM
I agree, the Ruger is certainly not one of them. I didn't mean to imply that.

Not saying owning a Colt or talking about how nice they are is snobbish at all. Just the saying that anything other than a Colt is a fake/copy or implying that it's not as good.
I'lll agree with this.

Some of my favorite 1911s are RIA.

tipoc
June 19, 2013, 06:52 PM
Look at a batch of them. Pick them up and handle them. Get the one you figure will work best for you. Shoot it, clean it, handle it, shoot it some more. Buy another one, different flavor. Try that. Repeat. In a few years you will have some experience and an opinion.

tipoc

Pilot
June 19, 2013, 08:27 PM
Colt lightweight Commander XSE. They have great triggers, are accurate, and reliable. The XSE upgrades are also nice, especially the sights.

dprice3844444
June 19, 2013, 08:29 PM
get something you can afford to lose if you have to shoot somebody

YJake
June 19, 2013, 08:50 PM
The Ruger is a solid gun and inexpensive. Some moderate polishing and part swaps will make it a fantastic gun.

The Colt is also a fine gun and better than the Ruger out of the box however the cost difference is high. You're paying quite a bit more for a slightly better gun.

But, my current carry 1911 is a Smith so what the hell do I know? :D

-Jake

PabloJ
June 19, 2013, 08:59 PM
I am currently looking at 3 compact 1911s and do not know which one I want to get. A Sig Sauer C3, a Kimber Compact CDP ii, or a Ruger SR1911 Commander. I have owned a full size Ruger SR1911 and never had a problem with it but sold it to get something with the option of concealing. The Kimber might cost a little more than I would like to pay but I will pay it if I think it will be worth it. I have heard about issues with the Sig having problems ejecting the last round but I am not sure how common the problem is and I find the gun very appealing. The Ruger is the one that I may fall back on if I bail out on the others because I have owned one and had no issues with it. What do yall think between the 3? Anyone have experience with the Sig or Kimber? Any other compact 1911s that are similiar?
Not sure what 'Commander' is but perfectly functional 1911 can be had for very reasonable price. Typical sample was all original but cosmetically challenged (some rust on slide)but in mechanically excellent condition Argentinean Sistema 1927. If you're willing to live with crude iron sights and shoot ball ammo $400 is reasonable deal.
Now if you want more easily concealed 1911 top pick is Detonics 'StreetMaster' with standard length barrel and shorter grip area.

tipoc
June 19, 2013, 10:08 PM
Not sure what 'Commander' is but...

A Commander is a Colt. Colt first introduced the Commander sized guns in 1948. It is a 1911 with a standard sized frame but a 4 1/4" barrel and slide. It comes with either a steel frame or an alloy frame. They are very reliable and functional 1911s as a breed.

Often though when folks speak about "Commanders" they are talking about Commander sized guns which just about all 1911 manufacturers produce. They are a mid sized 1911.

Colt Commanders can be had new in the $800.00 range.

tipoc

mapwd
June 20, 2013, 10:21 AM
I am sorry but I would NEVER buy a gun as expensive as a Colt if someone said "great gun, just don't shoot it much because the frame will crack" ***????? I buy guns to shoot, not gaze at. If I have to worry about a cracked frame from general use I would rather buy the Ruger and not have to worry about it.

rbernie
June 20, 2013, 10:34 AM
I have a bunch of rounds thru a Sig C3 without a single issue - its a solid pistol.

tarosean
June 20, 2013, 10:50 AM
I am sorry but I would NEVER buy a gun as expensive as a Colt if someone said "great gun, just don't shoot it much because the frame will crack" ***????? I buy guns to shoot, not gaze at.

I concur.... Good thing I bought my LW Commander 20yrs ago, shot thousands upon thousands of rounds through it and no cracks so far... I must be doing it wrong?? I bet thats it!!! cause I also own glocks (yes plural) that happen to be the most unreliable pistols in my home!

tipoc
June 20, 2013, 12:09 PM
From mapwd:

I am sorry but I would NEVER buy a gun as expensive as a Colt if someone said "great gun, just don't shoot it much because the frame will crack" ***????? I buy guns to shoot, not gaze at. If I have to worry about a cracked frame from general use I would rather buy the Ruger and not have to worry about it.

I must have missed it, who said the frame would crack?

The frames and slide of Colt are made from forgings and not from castings as is the case with Ruger and a few other makers of 1911s. Colts are also known to use the least mim parts of production guns in the firearms industry and use the most forged parts. This adds to their strength.

tipoc

JTQ
June 20, 2013, 02:14 PM
mapwd wrote,
I am sorry but I would NEVER buy a gun as expensive as a Colt if someone said "great gun, just don't shoot it much because the frame will crack" ***????? I buy guns to shoot, not gaze at. If I have to worry about a cracked frame from general use I would rather buy the Ruger and not have to worry about it.

I suspect a lightweight Commander probably will have a shorter life span. Something along the lines of a SIG with their aluminum frames. Life span measured in 10's of thousands of rounds rather than 100's of thousands of rounds as would be the case of a steel framed 1911.

Here you can see cyclopsshooter, shooting up his Lightweight Commander

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=620192

osteodoc08
June 20, 2013, 02:44 PM
The Kimber Compact is actually a compact frame with a 4" class barrel. It's the Kimber Ultra that has the 3.x" barrel.

My Kimber Compact has been flawless

gym
June 20, 2013, 04:07 PM
Colt combat commander.

tipoc
June 20, 2013, 09:57 PM
I suspect a lightweight Commander probably will have a shorter life span. Something along the lines of a SIG with their aluminum frames. Life span measured in 10's of thousands of rounds rather than 100's of thousands of rounds as would be the case of a steel framed 1911.

Only mapwd doesn't say anything about alloy frames versus steel frames. He says Colt frames will crack or he worries about it. Had he meant that alloy frames might wear faster than steel frames then he would have cautioned about that. Many makers of 1911 pattern guns offer alloy framed variants but he did not caution about those. He was specific. Why?

tipoc

mapwd
June 20, 2013, 10:16 PM
my post was in response to post #10 on page 1 that simply said LWC Commander, just don't shoot it much, frame cracks!!!! Not my words. But who would buy a Colt LWC after reading that? I like to practice with my carry gun.

Auto426
June 20, 2013, 10:25 PM
my post was in response to post #10 on page 1 that simply said LWC Commander, just don't shoot it much, frame cracks!!!! Not my words. But who would buy a Colt LWC after reading that?

Someone who doesn't believe every little thing they read on the internet?

An aluminum frame will have a shorter lifespan than a steel frame, but that's just the nature of the materials. With enough shooting an aluminum frame will crack, but you will spend many times the gun's original purchase price in ammo trying to get it to crack.

But back to e topic at hand, I prefer a full 4.25" when it comes to commander sized guns, and I also happen to prefer those that actually have "Commander" roll marked on the slide.

barnetmill
June 20, 2013, 10:50 PM
Just an observation: it seems that some people are not satisfied with the original aluminum commander and are doing things to make it better. No problem with that, but why try to take a 1911 design and try to make it better when there are other pistols of more modern design out there. I have more 1911 .45 pistols than any others, and I now never shoot them. For a compact pistol I use the G33. When they make a commander with a polymer frame, I will may return to looking at the platform. Perhaps there is a polymer commander out there. The real essential is that .45 acp does not equal one shot instantaneous stops. It is better to fill your enemy full of holes with a 9mm than to count on a single hit from a .45 to suffice.

buckhorn_cortez
June 20, 2013, 11:00 PM
Colts are also known to use the least mim parts of production guns in the firearms industry and use the most forged parts. This adds to their strength.

Dan Wesson is a production 1911. They use zero (0) MIM parts - that should qualify as the least that can be used. DW steel frames are forged.

allaroundhunter
June 20, 2013, 11:02 PM
If it has Commander written on the slide and a Pony right there next to it; you're good to go.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/21/ra4ema5y.jpg

tipoc
June 20, 2013, 11:05 PM
Yeah post #10

Colt LWC, you just can not shoot it too much, the frame cracks. But a huge difference in carry comfort.

This is an old saw from back in the 1950s when they were first introduced. Back then a good many shooters got them and lightly customized them (as was the custom). Many did not realize the slide was considerably lighter than the GM and put the wrong springs in. The result was battering.

The guns aren't meant to do the same thing steel framed guns are. They are made of aluminum. Lighter weight for carry. With the proper springs and care they will last a good long time.

I have 2 alloy framed guns. One in 45 acp from 1968 and one in 38 Super from 1951. The latter has 62 years of shooting on it. Both have had many thousands of rounds through them and are reliable firearms. Both also show wear on the frame. No cracks.

tipoc

buckhorn_cortez
June 20, 2013, 11:11 PM
It is better to fill your enemy full of holes with a 9mm than to count on a single hit from a .45 to suffice.

It's really better to be an accurate shot than rely on spray-'n-pray tactics. I carry either a SIG RCS, HK P30, or Wilson Tactical Supergrade Professional - I feel equally as safe with any of them.

Auto426
June 20, 2013, 11:41 PM
Dan Wesson is a production 1911. They use zero (0) MIM parts - that should qualify as the least that can be used. DW steel frames are forged.

Dan Wesson has always been a sort of gap filler between the production and semi-custom guns in my eyes, but it seems as of lately they are moving more toward semi-customs, though they still don't offer the options that the semi-custom makers do.

tipoc
June 21, 2013, 12:20 AM
Dan Wesson does make good guns. Here you can see one of their popular versions of the Commander sized guns their V-Bob.

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-v-bob/

They do perform more hand fitting than Colt does or some other production gunmakers do. In the recent past they have also used cast frames but they seem to be moving away from that or they have moved away from it. In some cases they do say they use no MIM parts. I was incorrect then when I said Colt uses the least. They use the least after DW. :)

They also have a higher MSRP than Colt or Springfield do for similar class guns. The actual street price is also higher. To look at it differently, KImber offers a gun with as many features as the DW that looks as good but has MIM internals and costs a bit more in a side by side comparison of features.

Colt, Kimber, Springfield all offer guns at a variety of price points based on the features of the guns they offer. DW, which makes fewer guns than the others do offers guns at one level of quality...excellent. It has very reasonable prices for the quality they provide. The quality is seen in the fit and finish and in the number and quality of the custom touches.

tipoc

Old Guy
November 9, 2013, 08:00 AM
The #10 post was I.

Based on one I owned, bought it used, a tiny crack appeared, on the frame, at the location of the take down lever.

My gunsmith drilled a very small hole, at the end of that crack. His advice "For a carry gun, should be fine" That was a long time ago.

5-SHOTS
November 9, 2013, 08:06 AM
I'd get the Colt, stainless for carry.

1911Tuner
November 9, 2013, 08:36 AM
The cracks at the junction of the rails and impact abutment are neither here nor there. They're self-limiting and don't affect the function of the gun in any way. Steel frames will crack, too. It just takes a little longer.

I have a pair of 1991A1s that I've used for hard beater duty since the fall of '91. They both cracked many years and many tens of thousands of rounds ago. They're still on duty.

Many did not realize the slide was considerably lighter than the GM and put the wrong springs in. The result was battering.

The Commander slide isn't much lighter than the 5-inch. All the shortening was done at the front of the slide and barrel...basically the hollow areas. I've used 16-pound springs in my LW and steel-framed Commanders for years without issue. The spring's function is returning the slide to battery...not buffering shock. It does do that, but it's incidental.

skoro
November 9, 2013, 09:59 AM
I have two 1911 Commanders: a stainless and a lightweight.

Both are Colts. I can enthusiastically recommend either style.

Cocked & Locked
November 9, 2013, 10:48 AM
Colt works...all others are wannabees. :scrutiny:

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/9381895/402336147.jpg

xring
November 9, 2013, 06:23 PM
Mmmm?

If it ain't a Colt, it ain't a Commander in my gun safe.

rc


Ditto that. Everything else is a copy. :)
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JDR
November 10, 2013, 07:46 AM
If you can find a gun that meets your criteria better than a Dan Wesson Guardian, just buy that pistol!

stogiegila
November 10, 2013, 11:07 AM
Colt 1991 Commander Series 80 or

Sig Sauer Carry Nightmare

They are my two favorites and neither will break the bank nor be too pretty to actually carry and use

critter
November 10, 2013, 01:41 PM
Last week, I got a Ruger SR 1911 commander length. I find it to be very well put together, easy to shoot, accurate. I like it a lot and, for the price, it is a bargain.

rodinal220
November 10, 2013, 03:24 PM
Colt

BlindJustice
November 10, 2013, 05:08 PM
I like Colts but the SXE has the front strap checkered
and I don't care for that 'feature.' As far as the
Colt Commander goes 1950 and the steel framed
Combat Commander 1970 are trademarked names
so, if a 1911 variant from some other company makes
a "Commander" 4.25" Bbl/Slide with the full grip/frame
I call it a "commander Sized" model.

Got into a discurssion as to what is a Bobtail.
and had to make the distinction tween the Full size frame with the
Bobtail MSH and cut frame vs the Officers frame which isn't
then I read Dan Wesson's description of their CCO
Model and they rrefer to it as a Bobtailed model

I gave up.

I like the Ruger SR1911 CMD

So nuh yah!







.

BlindJustice
November 10, 2013, 05:21 PM
I like Colts but the SXE has the front strap checkered
and I don't care for that 'feature.' As far as the
Colt Commander goes 1950 and the steel framed
Combat Commander 1970 are trademarked names
so, if a 1911 variant from some other company makes
a "Commander" 4.25" Bbl/Slide with the full grip/frame
I call it a "commander Sized" model.

Got into a discurssion as to what is a Bobtail.
and had to make the distinction tween the Full size frame with the
Bobtail MSH and cut frame vs the Officers frame which isn't
then I read Dan Wesson's description of their CCO
Model and they rrefer to it as a Bobtailed model

I gave up.

I like the Ruger SR1911 CMD

I had a Combat Commander in the 1970s
and regret selling that one.

Why does the Browning Hi Power get so little buzz
about the switch to an external extractor in 1960 or thereabouts
& 1911 variants with external extractors get poo flung
at em by purists?

So nuh yah!







.

CapnMac
November 10, 2013, 06:06 PM
What not a single mention of Colt's Lt.Commander? (Commander frame and Officer's slide/bbl.)

Ok, that's in jest

Always thought the LCDR was "backwards"--that it was not the barrel length which was the concealment issue (for aligning with long body axis) so much as the length of the grip. Meaning that an Officer-size frame with a commander-length barrel would have been more logical. Except that such a construction would be harder to achieve with off-the-shelf Colt parts.

Dryft
November 10, 2013, 06:26 PM
I picked up a lightly used Kimber Crimson Carry a while back and love it! Light, well put together, bull barrel, Crimson Trace... Shoots everything I've put through it.

It was either that or a Sig C3 - preferably the Crimson Trace version, which has some really nice additional features besides the grips.

Good luck choosing one!

Coltdriver
November 10, 2013, 06:55 PM
Well, just by my handle you can tell what I am going to say.

My first 1911 was a full sized Colt.

I have an Officers that I learned to tune from 1911Tuners advice. Runs like a clock if well greased. Is utterly reliable for any 300 to 500 round series I run thru it.

You will never regret owning a Colt.

tarosean
November 11, 2013, 12:17 AM
Everything else is a copy.

Odd since its inception, it was produced by numerous companies via Government contract..

Colt
Ithaca
Savage (only in Arsenals)
Singer
Springfield Armory
Union Switch & Signal
North American Arms
Remington Rand
Remington Arms-UMC

JDR
November 11, 2013, 01:03 AM
Odd since its inception, it was produced by numerous companies via Government contract..

Colt
Ithaca
Savage (only in Arsenals)
Singer
Springfield Armory
Union Switch & Signal
North American Arms
Remington Rand
Remington Arms-UMC

And this is the fact; the U.S. Government owns the intellectual property rights for anything produced under a government or military contract, so the 1911 was made by numerous manufacturers, which was necessary to meet the demand of the Second World War, the Korean War, and the VietNam War.

Hacker15E
November 11, 2013, 05:54 PM
Odd since its inception, it was produced by numerous companies via Government contract..

Colt
Ithaca
Savage (only in Arsenals)
Singer
Springfield Armory
Union Switch & Signal
North American Arms
Remington Rand
Remington Arms-UMC

I believe he was referring to "Commander", which is a Colt trade name, and not the 1911 in general.

Cocked & Locked
November 11, 2013, 06:46 PM
I believe he was referring to "Commander", which is a Colt trade name, and not the 1911 in general.

that right there

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/9381895/398719871.jpg

Zerodefect
November 11, 2013, 09:42 PM
The Dan Wessons are really hot right now. Get 'em while you can. No MIM, no silly 80 series parts, no substandard parts at all. All the good stuff. Pop in a Wilson or Tripp mag and rock and roll.

I fix Kimbers all the time. Their OK, but I don't see the need to pay more than $600 for one. Colt is the only sub $1500 1911 I'm comfortable with anymore.

Olympus
November 11, 2013, 10:32 PM
The Dan Wessons are really hot right now. Get 'em while you can. No MIM, no silly 80 series parts, no substandard parts at all. All the good stuff. Pop in a Wilson or Tripp mag and rock and roll.

I fix Kimbers all the time. Their OK, but I don't see the need to pay more than $600 for one. Colt is the only sub $1500 1911 I'm comfortable with anymore.

Dan Wessons have been hot for the last several years and they only seem to be going up. I own several and have yet to find another production gun that can compare, Colts included.

basicblur
November 12, 2013, 09:45 AM
I like the Ruger SR1911 CMD
I'm leaning that way also.

Not in the market, but saw / handled one at the shop and now I'm using it as my baseline - looking for a stainless 1911.

So far, I've found nothing I like better - it's a shame they don't offer one more model with a bull barrel (no bushing), bobtail, and a rail!

A little concerned about the cast vs. forged, but the local gunsmith (that's deep into the tech stuff) says those in the know claim Ruger's castings are better than some folks' forgings - Ruger is a leader in the field of casting.

If I can't find something to use as a new baseline, I see a Ruger SR1911CMD in my future!? :banghead:

Mat, not doormat
November 12, 2013, 08:23 PM
Well, my primary carry is a Colt's Lightweight Commander in .38 Super, so you can see how I decided. My dad had a Kimber faux-mander, the one with the 4" bull barrel. It was a nice gun, too, though I prefer the bushing barrel and GI recoil system, for ease of maintenance.

Of the other two, I have no direct experience.

wojownik
November 14, 2013, 01:15 AM
Another vote for Colt's Commander

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q490/viher001/2012-06-25_22-14-57_965.jpgr

el Godfather
November 14, 2013, 01:32 AM
If not Colt then vBOB

gym
December 11, 2013, 12:26 AM
Get what you can afford, that works all of the time, and that you shoot well. If you can't afford a Colt get something else. Telling someone to buy a Lamborghini when they can afford a Chevy is not helpful.
You can get a lot of good use out of a Chevy, and you don't have to worry about where you park it as much. Of if it gets taken.

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