Budget Scope for 50 BMG


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drjoker
June 19, 2013, 12:41 AM
Hi,

Old Bushnell Elite 3200 could withstand shock of 50 bmg, but it has been discontinued. Will new Bushnell et1040 be able to withstand 50 bmg?

Thinking about either SWFA SS scope or Bushnell et1040.

Thanks,
:cool:

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rcmodel
June 19, 2013, 12:51 AM
Budget scope for a .50 cal rifle?

That seems like kind of an oxymoron to me.

If you can afford to shoot a .50 at all, you should be able to afford a good scope for it.

Never mind, it's getting too late! :banghead:

rc

drjoker
June 19, 2013, 01:18 AM
rc,

50 bmg barrett model 99 CAME WITH a bushnell elite 3200 scope as the original included scope!

Will someone else who is knowledgeable please answer the question. The bushnell elite 3200 scope on my barrett broke. It fell out of a tree stand last deer season.

Much appreciation and thanks,
:cool:

Haxby
June 19, 2013, 01:39 AM
MidwayUSA still shows the 10X 3200 in stock.

allaroundhunter
June 19, 2013, 03:37 AM
What kind of magnification do you want? And what exactly is the budget?

tarosean
June 19, 2013, 04:13 AM
The bushnell elite 3200 scope on my barrett broke. It fell out of a tree stand last deer season.

wait! wut? You use a 50BMG for TX deer?

Outlaw Man
June 19, 2013, 10:11 AM
No, he's using them for New Mexico deer. His stand is in Texas.:neener:

I'd also like to know what magnification you're using.

My new Bushnell Elite feels pretty solid, but I haven't nearly used it enough to speak to how rugged it would be under .50 BMG recoil.

Trent
June 19, 2013, 10:31 AM
rc,

50 bmg barrett model 99 CAME WITH a bushnell elite 3200 scope as the original included scope!

Will someone else who is knowledgeable please answer the question. The bushnell elite 3200 scope on my barrett broke. It fell out of a tree stand last deer season.

Much appreciation and thanks,
:cool:

Holy cripes, you hauled a Barrett up in a tree stand??!!

I've got an M95 and wouldn't want to do that. :)

Look at Leupold, maybe not exactly 'budget' but midrange, with some more affordable models, and they have a lifetime warranty. I've had a Vari-X 3 long range model on mine for years and it still holds zero and tracks fine. Fairly compact scope, sturdy.

The more important thing is RINGS.

Get the best, most rugged, steel rings you can afford. No joke. Do not skimp on rings. I spent nearly as much on rings as I did my scope...

cpileri
June 19, 2013, 11:52 AM
From talking w the Fifty Cal Shooters Association guys, any of the "True Strength" airgun scopes will hold up for at least a few shots since they have the added "foward-backward" recoil capability.

Not sure of clarity, field of vision, or magnification. But they will take the recoil- just not sure for how long.

And yes, the rings are very important.

C-

drjoker
June 19, 2013, 12:03 PM
Hunting with rifles with more curved trajectories is complicated. You either had to memorize a complicated table or bring lots of expensive and complicated equipment such as; laser range finder, wind meter, range computer, wind/range computer and/or tables. All of this changes when you change your ammo load! Besides, after you've pressed all those electronic buttons, the deer would've walked away.

However, the 50 bmg shoots very flat, is not very affected by wind, and inside of normal deer ranges (300 yds or less), the data doesn't change very much between different loads. Also, there's not much wind in Texas. The trajectory of the 50 bmg being so flat, you don't even have to turn the scope's dials before taking a shot. Therefore, you can ditch the complicated and expensive electronics and just do all the calculations mentally in a split second before immediately firing using a very simple table for a scope zeroed at 200 yds;

A. deer is 14 mil dots tall = aim with the dot that is one dot above the middle one.
B. deer is 7 mil dots tall = aim with the center dot.
C. deer is 5 mil dots tall = aim with the dot that is two dots below the middle one.

A. deer is 14 mil dots tall and 10+ mph winds = aim half a mil dot over in the direction the wind is blowing, 20+ mph winds = aim 1 mil dot over in the wind's direction.
B. deer is 7 mil dots tall and 10+ mph winds = aim 1 mil dot in wind's direction, 20+ mph winds = aim 2 mil dots in wind's direction
C. deer is 5 mil dots tall and 10+ mph winds = aim 2 mil dot in wind's direction, 20+ mph winds = aim 3 mil dots in wind's direction

Notes;

Over 10 mph, mirage is parallel to ground and tops of trees in constant motion. Over 20 mph, mirage broken up (no mirage), difficulty walking, and larger tree trunks sway.

The average adult deer is 5 mil dots height up to the head (not measuring antlers) at 300 yards, 7 mil dots high at 200 yards, and 14 mil dots high at 100 yards (on the swfa ss scope, it's roughly the entire bottom field of view plus all the mil dots).

P.S. I am looking for the least expensive mil dot scope of any magnification, as long as I can see a deer at 300 yds with it. If just has to survive the massive recoil of the 50 bmg. Thanks.

Trent
June 19, 2013, 12:58 PM
... And when you shoot them from the front, it comes clear out the back!

Don't you spoil a lot of meat? I can only imagine what a shoulder hit would do.

drjoker
June 19, 2013, 01:13 PM
Yeah, you'd lose some shoulder meat, heart, and lungs if you go for a heart shot at over 100 yds. But inside of 100 yds, I usually go for head or neck, so no meat loss there at all.

Trent
June 19, 2013, 01:21 PM
Well, I guess this is a good thing, as hunting with the big 50 certainly couldn't hurt our defense of them. Aside a handful of long range target shooters there isn't a lot of "real world" application of the cartridge for your average Joe.

Maybe I'll take mine Coyote hunting.

In Illinois we can only hunt with rifles to take Coyote. Have to use shotguns for everything else.

But there's no caliber limitations on Coyote.

I can only imagine what the game warden would say if IDNR stopped me in the woods with a Barrett. :)

Outlaw Man
June 19, 2013, 04:04 PM
I'm a little confused.

I'm not debating your choice of rifle - use what you prefer, if it works.

You talk about preferring to shoot under 100 yards. What rifle were you using before where you really had to worry about elevation or windage holds for a deer at even twice that distance? Even at 300 yards, most "deer caliber" rifles require little hold over if zeroed properly.

That said, I'd look for a fixed power scope for the ranges you're shooting at. Fewer moving parts should equal more rugged. The Bushnell Elite probably wouldn't be bad, but I think a 10x is all they offer...

Trent
June 19, 2013, 05:20 PM
You talk about preferring to shoot under 100 yards. What rifle were you using before where you really had to worry about elevation or windage holds for a deer at even twice that distance? Even at 300 yards, most "deer caliber" rifles require little hold over if zeroed properly.


This man speaks the truth. 308 caliber 168Gr Matchking at 2700fps:

Calculation of Maximum Point Blank Range for a Vital Zone of: 6 inches
Maximum Point Blank Range is 271 yards. Set Zero at 231 yards
Trajectory for Sierra Bullets .308 dia. 168 gr. HPBT MatchKing at 2700 Feet per Second


Now, once zeroed at the specified range.. anywhere out to 271 yards, you aim dead center in the vitals and the bullet never rises above, or drops below, 3" of point of aim.

Comparing a 50 BMG, Hornaday AMax 750 gr at 2820fps

Calculation of Maximum Point Blank Range for a Vital Zone of 6 inches
Maximum Point Blank Range is 275 yards. Set Zero at 229 yards
Trajectory for Hornady .510 dia. (50 Cal) 750 gr. A-Max at 2820 Feet per Second


The 50 cal - at the distances you hunt at - has virtually IDENTICAL ballistics to a 308 winchester.

Trent
June 19, 2013, 05:28 PM
Red lines indicate 6" vital zone (+/- 3" of point of aim)

http://i.imgur.com/jrAMciT.png

allaroundhunter
June 19, 2013, 05:37 PM
However, the 50 bmg shoots very flat, is not very affected by wind, and inside of normal deer ranges (300 yds or less), the data doesn't change very much between different loads. Also, there's not much wind in Texas. The trajectory of the 50 bmg being so flat, you don't even have to turn the scope's dials before taking a shot. Therefore, you can ditch the complicated and expensive electronics and just do all the calculations mentally in a split second before immediately firing using a very simple table for a scope zeroed at 200 yds;

A. deer is 14 mil dots tall = aim with the dot that is one dot above the middle one.
B. deer is 7 mil dots tall = aim with the center dot.
C. deer is 5 mil dots tall = aim with the dot that is two dots below the middle one.

A. deer is 14 mil dots tall and 10+ mph winds = aim half a mil dot over in the direction the wind is blowing, 20+ mph winds = aim 1 mil dot over in the wind's direction.
B. deer is 7 mil dots tall and 10+ mph winds = aim 1 mil dot in wind's direction, 20+ mph winds = aim 2 mil dots in wind's direction
C. deer is 5 mil dots tall and 10+ mph winds = aim 2 mil dot in wind's direction, 20+ mph winds = aim 3 mil dots in wind's direction

So, your gun is zeroed at 200 yards, and to make a 300 yard shot you are having to compensate for a little more than 20" of drop? I'm just going to venture a guess and say that you haven't actually shot at 300 yards with that gun.


Let me be the bad guy here and ask a question. How much experience do you actually have shooting rifles?

Haxby
June 20, 2013, 03:26 PM
3" or 4" high at 100, on at 200, 20" low at 300.
Don't think there's any combination of velocity and BC that would match that.

taliv
June 20, 2013, 11:04 PM
i think there were some training rounds for .50bmg that would have a normal trajectory for a few hundred rounds and then just fall out of the air. i can't remember what they were called. i think they were plastic or something. not recommended for deer at any rate.


and yeah, if you want flat shooting, look at a 220 swift or 243win or something.

Robert
June 20, 2013, 11:28 PM
And people think I am nuts for using a 375H&H for Elk... To each their own I guess :rolleyes:

1hobie
June 20, 2013, 11:32 PM
http://www.barrettrifles.com/c-537-model-99.aspx
Bushnell....really:barf: I've got a several thousand dollar rifle firing rounds that cost 4-5 dollars a Round, am I going to put a cheap ass scope on it and drag it's substantial weight up into a tree stand to shoot a deer at less than a 1/2 mile?? :what:
Notice that Barrett never mentions Bushnell on it's site.
I call BS on this one.
If I've erred in my assessment of this, my bad.

allaroundhunter
June 20, 2013, 11:32 PM
And people think I am nuts for using a 375H&H for Elk... To each their own I guess

There are multiple levels of "nuts"... But this certainly bumps you down one of them, Robert ;)

tarosean
June 21, 2013, 04:41 AM
And people think I am nuts for using a 375H&H for Elk... To each their own I guess

Yeah but at least that's a large animal... TX white tails would be more appropriately named "Pint sized"..

tnelson31
June 21, 2013, 06:50 AM
I refuse to belive this is anything but a joke.

Sam1911
June 21, 2013, 07:38 AM
"Doctor Joker" is right!

50 bmg makes hunting simple
Hunting with rifles with more curved trajectories is complicated. You either had to memorize a complicated table or bring lots of expensive and complicated equipment such as; laser range finder, wind meter, range computer, wind/range computer and/or tables. All of this changes when you change your ammo load! Besides, after you've pressed all those electronic buttons, the deer would've walked away.
Considering how very many cartridges shoot almost the identical trajectory as a .50 BMG -- and how many are a lot FLATTER -- this is just really good old fashioned leg-pulling.

Using a .50 BMG, for white-tail deer, at 300 yards or less? It's just too silly to be real.

Art Eatman
June 21, 2013, 10:03 AM
I've been in a bunch of gun shops in the last fifty years, and it flows just really deep at times. I got to where I don't go there in low-quarter shoes; boots only, please.

The idea of dragging a .50 BMG shooter into a tree stand for 100-yard deer? 'Scuse me, I gotta go get my waders.

ID-shooting
June 21, 2013, 10:38 AM
.50 BMG really makes deer hunting easy. Haul it up a tree, fire one shot. You could fill all our tags in one day. You don't even need to him them, just get close. Everyone knows that .50 BMG will blow all four legs off if within six inches and the shock wave of the bullet passing within one foot will turn their brains to goo not too mention collapsing thier lungs. The rest of the herd will just walk up to you and die at your feet out of sheer respect like you were Chuck Norris. Heck, Chuck Norris would show up and field dress them for you due to the awsomeness of it all.

Lloyd Smale
June 27, 2013, 07:21 AM
to answer your original question id stay away from the off brands and go with something like a nikon pro staff. Why? because no doubt if your going cheap your eventually going to need warantee coverage and nikon is pretty good at that.

Sav .250
June 27, 2013, 07:58 AM
Budget scope for a .50 cal rifle?

That seems like kind of an oxymoron to me.

If you can afford to shoot a .50 at all, you should be able to afford a good scope for it.

Never mind, it's getting too late! :banghead:

rc
Right on target.......................

Trent
June 27, 2013, 11:08 AM
Budget scope for a .50 cal rifle?

That seems like kind of an oxymoron to me.

If you can afford to shoot a .50 at all, you should be able to afford a good scope for it.

Never mind, it's getting too late! :banghead:

rc

If you can't, it is preferable to let it sit like this for years. :)

http://i.imgur.com/0noPfLL.jpg?2

Don't disgrace a 50 with cheap optics.

And if you make a habit of dropping a 50 cal out of a tree stand, perhaps one should re-think the choice of hunting arms. Get something.. more expendable.

allaroundhunter
June 27, 2013, 11:28 AM
And if you make a habit of dropping a 50 cal out of a tree stand, perhaps one should re-think the choice of hunting arms. Get something.. more expendable.

Trent, the big .50 survived the fall just fine, it was the scope that didn't. That should be a lesson not to go cheap on optics. The real test of whether an optic deserves to be mounted on a .50 is if it can survive a fall from a treestand ;)

Haxby
June 27, 2013, 08:45 PM
Two points here:

1. Barret did offer a 50 caliber rifle/scope package with a Bushnell at one time.
2. If you dropped a 50 caliber rifle from a treestand onto a deer, it might be fairly effective.

Black Butte
June 27, 2013, 09:15 PM
How about the U.S. Optics ER-25 5-25x?

Trent
June 27, 2013, 09:29 PM
Two points here:

2. If you dropped a 50 caliber rifle from a treestand onto a deer, it might be fairly effective.

:what:

.. You managed to make me spit out my evening tea. Congratulations.

allaroundhunter
June 27, 2013, 09:39 PM
How about the U.S. Optics ER-25 5-25x?

US Optics is probably insulted that you used their name in a thread about budget scopes...

hso
June 27, 2013, 10:16 PM
Budget on a 10/22 is a world away from "budget" on a .50BMG. If you follow the rule of thumb that "good" optics are anywhere from the price of the rifle to twice the price then "budget" might be a quarter of the price.

Lessee, what can you get for $4,000 to go on that gravitational well you're dragging up a tree?:rolleyes:

allaroundhunter
June 28, 2013, 02:43 AM
Budget on a 10/22 is a world away from "budget" on a .50BMG. If you follow the rule of thumb that "good" optics are anywhere from the price of the rifle to twice the price then "budget" might be a quarter of the price.

Lessee, what can you get for $4,000 to go on that gravitational well you're dragging up a tree?:rolleyes:

That being said (and I completely agree), I still wouldn't consider US Optics a "budget" choice for a .50 cal ;)

Though they would probably fare far better in the treestand drop test than the Bushnell. Maybe the treestand drop test will become a new part of the military small arms trials :neener:

msjayhawk
July 13, 2013, 04:44 PM
I would look into the Millet DRS. It is offered in 6-25x - 56mm and rated for the G's associated with the .50. It is a little over $500 with rings (35mm only). It comes with the high rings, but after you see how that works on you .50, you can get low or medium rings. The rings are beefy, and have 6 screws on each one. See the following:

The extreme-duty, extended-range LRS tactical riflescope, by Millett. Massively built with a one-piece 35mm tube and 56mm objective, the LRS delivers superior brightness and outstanding repeatable accuracy with the largest long-range weapons, including those chambered for the 50 BMG and 338 Lapua. Precision controls with 140 MOA adjustment.

Features

Huge 56mm objective for a wider field of view and brighter image.
Massive, super-strong 35mm tube improves reliability and resolution.
Rings included.


Magnification: 6-25x
Objective Diameter: 56mm
Eye Relief: 3+
Tube Diameter: 35mm
Optics: Fully Multi-Coated
Reticle: Glass-Etched Mil-DotBar

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