Mosin Westinghouse


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pezo
June 20, 2013, 08:38 PM
Found two New England westing house mosins for sale at a local gun store. One valued $135 and the other $195. One in good overall shape the other a little beat up but intact stock. How's the price sound?

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rule303
June 20, 2013, 08:55 PM
As long as they haven't been sporterized, that should be a very good price. The run of the mill refurbed 91/30's are bringing around $150. I would probably buy the nicer one for the little extra money.

firesky101
June 20, 2013, 09:03 PM
Personally I would snag up both of them, but I have a soviet rifle problem.

morcey2
June 20, 2013, 09:28 PM
Personally I would snag up both of them, but I have a soviet rifle problem.
That sentence just doesn't make sense to me. Problem? Hmmm. I'll have to think about that one.

I'd grab both too. :)

ridgerunner1965
June 20, 2013, 09:54 PM
the boy like him sum russian rifles. whats not to make sense of that?

SlamFire1
June 20, 2013, 09:57 PM
Look to see just how much of either rifle is Westinghouse. I don't remember handling an all correct Westinghouse, I have had Finnish Westinghouse rebuilds but nothing but the barrel and receiver were Westinghouse. All correct Westinghouse rifles are rare and I think the prices fair if they are correct.

morcey2
June 20, 2013, 09:59 PM
the boy like him sum russian rifles. whats not to make sense of that?
The word "problem" threw me off. It made it sound like it was a bad thing.

firesky101
June 20, 2013, 10:30 PM
Well i certainly don't think it is a bad thing, but my wife may disagree. ( I think it is her fault as she claimed my M44, and SKS for herself)

morcey2
June 20, 2013, 10:45 PM
Look to see just how much of either rifle is Westinghouse. I don't remember handling an all correct Westinghouse, I have had Finnish Westinghouse rebuilds but nothing but the barrel and receiver were Westinghouse. All correct Westinghouse rifles are rare and I think the prices fair if they are correct.
Even if they're finn-capture westinghouses, I'd still pay what they're asking. Assuming no nastiness like a chopped barrel and butchered stock. If they had all NEW parts, I'd drive to Michigan to buy them. :)

Matt

pezo
June 20, 2013, 11:03 PM
On the nicer one ( and if I recall the cheaper one ?) the serial numbers matched on the bolt and barrel. I did not think to check think to check the stock or magazine numbers. The sights were front blade and rear sights in arshins.

Ian
June 21, 2013, 05:01 PM
If they aren't sporterized, buy them both, definitely. If you want to resell one, I'll take it. :)

YZ
June 21, 2013, 07:36 PM
Those are collectibles. If you have truly discretionary funds, it is a Strong Buy, at least one. Westinghouse received an order for a million rifles but less than 20% estimated were shipped to Russia. A large number still, but so was the attrition during the Russian Civil War. Finnish capture only adds up to the provenance. There were alleged complaints from the Tsarist inspectors about the weak magazine springs, the deflector, and even the sharp edges on the receiver. You will be in a rare position to judge for yourself. I scout gun shops all the time for many years and never saw a Westinghouse Mosin.

351 WINCHESTER
June 21, 2013, 08:46 PM
Some of these rifles were actually issued to our Home Guard" during WWI as I was told by an old timer years ago.

Nutbustd
June 21, 2013, 09:40 PM
Buy both. They aren't making any more!!

morcey2
June 21, 2013, 11:52 PM
Some of these rifles were actually issued to our Home Guard" during WWI as I was told by an old timer years ago.
I think it was operation Archangel where US military was issued M91s and fought against the new soviet army. I could have the operation name wrong, but it did happen. NEW and Remington M91s were also used in training while the US military was ramping up production of 1903s and 1917s in WW1. I personally think they should have stuck with the M91s as the main battle rifle since it's so much better than the other two. (picture me ducking and running. :) I own a 1903 and I need to get a 1917 still. )

By both and sell them to me!

Matt

Onmilo
June 22, 2013, 06:14 AM
I'd buy them both just for the markings even if they have been sporterized.

TURNBOLT
June 22, 2013, 08:52 AM
Make an offer on both. The men of Michigan and Wisconsin Co. I would be proud!

TURNBOLT
June 22, 2013, 09:17 AM
Co. I 339th Inf. 85th div. Michigan and Wisconsin Aug 1918 to May 1919. Northern Russia.

pezo
June 22, 2013, 09:44 PM
Both rifles tagged at $199 a piece. I was incorrect about the $135 on the one. I offered $170 cash and the clerk/owner? Didn't budge. So no go. They are still there. :(

YZ
June 22, 2013, 10:01 PM
It's your money man. At least you had the discipline to ignore the Internet vote.

Onmilo
June 22, 2013, 10:56 PM
If they are uncut complete M91s, they are worth more than 200 each if the bores are good & the stocks are walnut and not replaced with beechwood

Sergei Mosin
June 23, 2013, 08:38 PM
Those Michigan and Wisconsin boys probably felt right at home in Russia!

Tolkachi Robotnik
June 23, 2013, 11:26 PM
After the U.S. government bailed out the makers of the Remington and Westinghouse Mosin rifles not delivered to the Czar, which had to be done or at least Remington would have went under, they took possession of the rifles which were used in training and some actions as listed above. They were put up for surplus sale for a very low price, but at the time people worked in the field all the day long for a whole dollar. Some of those rifles are still around in original form I am sure. Others were used a whole lot and are not doubt well depreciated.

If you are just looking for a rifle, $200 doesn't seem like such a great price when a new rifle with three lugs is available for less than $400. I guess that is just Axis, 770, and Mossberg.

I am sure a lot of people would like a Mosin made by a different makers, just for the curiosity of what differences there might be in each.

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