Best AR red dot for the money


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Sky Dog
June 21, 2013, 07:14 AM
I want to put an optic on a DPMS Panther carbine. It has to hold zero.
$200.00 max. Suggestions?

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Beentown
June 21, 2013, 07:21 AM
$80 Bushnell TRS -25
$160 Vortex Strikefire
$199 Vortex SPARC

Outlaw Man
June 21, 2013, 09:48 AM
I was all ready to say "Aimpoint" with the masses until I saw your price point.

I'd look at those Vortex options listed. I haven't looked at either of those personally, but I've been pleasantly surprised with Vortex's offerings in that price range. Should be a decent optic.

gpjoe
June 21, 2013, 09:59 AM
I had both the TRS25 and Strikefire. Sold the TRS25 and kept the Vortex. It seemed more accurate for me, and I prefer the green dot. YMMV.

Bentley4700
June 21, 2013, 10:00 AM
Primary Arms.

briansmithwins
June 21, 2013, 01:48 PM
Primary Arms.

I stripped out a screw thread on one of the PA Aimpoint Micro klones. Totally my own fault.

They any me a new one w/o any issues.

BSW

breakingcontact
June 21, 2013, 02:01 PM
Primary Arms offers popular models. I like the StrikeFire vortex. I wanted to like the Bushnell, it was just too green/blue.

gotigers
June 21, 2013, 02:22 PM
Sparc
Strikefire
Primary Arms

Fishbed77
June 21, 2013, 02:27 PM
The best red dot for the money is an Aimpoint PRO. If you can save up another $200, you'll be doing yourself a big favor.

Of the options you've listed, the Vortex red dots are decent. I have a StrikeFire. Aside from the terribly-positioned power button it works great for plinking. No comparison to the PRO, though.

chicharrones
June 21, 2013, 02:34 PM
The best red dot for the money is an Aimpoint PRO. If you can save up another $200, you'll be doing yourself a big favor.

Of the options you've listed, the Vortex red dots are decent. I have a StrikeFire. Aside from the terribly-positioned power button it works great for plinking. No comparison to the PRO, though.

As a somewhat non-satisfied/satisfied user of a couple of inexpensive red dots, would you mind telling me what makes the Aimpoint that much better? Is it parallax, or dot visibility?

G.barnes
June 21, 2013, 03:35 PM
I've had a few cheap red dots including a sig st-081 the biggest problem is if your shooting on a bright sunny day the sun overrides the dot even at max level. I'd get either the aimpoint pro or a used eotech or aimpoint. I spent as much trying to get a cheap red dot that was good as I would have spent if I just bought the better sight in the first place. Plus aimpoints and eotech a hold their value very well. The aimpoint is designed for military use so it will take more abuse and not lose zero and they are waterproof if you shoot in the rain.

Quentin
June 21, 2013, 05:08 PM
No doubt there are much better optics but for me, the best RDS for $80 is the Bushnell TRS-25 (Aimpoint Micro knockoff). I gambled on one, had no problems so got a second. I really have no complaints using them on a couple 5.56 ARs over the last two years but don't know if it would handle .308 recoil though.

blueskyjaunte
June 21, 2013, 05:16 PM
I've been through an endless list of jun... excuse me, budget red dot sights. Konus, Bushnell, Primary, Vortex Sparc (that one was particularly disappointing), TruGlo, and some no-name brands. I finally bit the bullet and bought an EOTech 512.

Best purchase I've made in years and I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Buy once, cry once.

wnycollector
June 21, 2013, 06:04 PM
Let me start by saying that I have an Aimpoint PRO on my BCM middy that I use for HD. If your rifle is going to be used for serious purposes the PRO runs $400 and is a top tier RDS.

That being said, I have had a Bushnell TRS-25 for several years. It's been on two different AR and now resides on my 7.62x39 Saiga. It has never lost zero or had a single issue in thousands of rounds. Another RDS that I'm really enamored with the Lucid HD-7. This thing is built like a tank, and takes plain Jane AA batteries.

needmorecowbell
June 21, 2013, 07:41 PM
Lucid HD7 is best bang for the buck at around $200

Fishbed77
June 21, 2013, 10:31 PM
As a somewhat non-satisfied/satisfied user of a couple of inexpensive red dots, would you mind telling me what makes the Aimpoint that much better? Is it parallax, or dot visibility?

Everything.

To make things simple, I'll compare it to my $160 Vortex StrikeFire, which is a fine red dot in it's own right. However the $400 Aimpoint PRO is better in every single respect.

The Aimpoint's glass is MUCH clearer and brighter, the dot is crisper, the controls are vastly better (big rotating knob versus fiddly buttons that like to turn on and run down the batteries), the included mount (quick-detach QRP2) is vastly better, and the covers work better.

The single greatest benefit, though, is the immense battery life. The battery life of most red dots is measured in hours. The battery life of an Aimpoint is measured in YEARS. I turned my PRO on the day I bought it almost 2 1/2 years ago, and haven't turned it off yet (technically, you can't turn off most Aimpoints - turning the knob to the lowest setting just puts you in a NVG mode). It's as simple to use as any iron sights. You just pick up the rifle and you are ready to go. No buttons to fumble with.

FrankCastleThePunisher
June 22, 2013, 01:02 AM
Vortex Sparc and Lucid HD7 are hard to beat RD's.

wbrown609
June 22, 2013, 01:33 AM
I have the trs-25 as well. It is not a 400-600 dollar optic, but it is a whole lot better than it should be for 80-90 bucks.

basicblur
June 22, 2013, 01:55 AM
Man on a budget, eh? I understand! :D

I just installed a Bushnell TRS-25 on my 15-22 - have EOTechs/ACOGs on the big toys, but I was trying to put together a (3-Gun style) budget plinker, and the more I read about the TRS-25, the more impressive it sounded, 'specially at $110 (for the HiRise version (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ABP8YCA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)).

Impressed with the optic, not so much the HiRise mount - they could have made the mounting screw / clamp a little nicer, but once you have it installed, it gets the job done. I picked up a couple of highly rated, inexpensive risers of varying heights to play with.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKL6L2/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKHMNI/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The regular TRS-25 can be had for around $89, but I went with the HiRise for the muted Bushnell logo (gold on the regular TRS-25, silver / gray on the HiRise) and the riser.

Yeah, I know the TRS-25 and mount probably ain't Aimpoint / EOTech / Trijicon tough, but for the money?

I've got a friend that has been piggybacking on my research on building a budget 3-Gun practice rig on a 15-22, and he also got the TRS-25 HiRise. He's an Aimpoint owner, and so far, he says he's pleasantly surprised with the TRS-25.

Ro1911
June 22, 2013, 01:57 AM
Spend the extra money and buy an aimpoint PRO, right at $400 it's not the most expensive but it is as nice as $800-$1000 optics, the vortex optics are ok, but are kind of like looking through sunglasses.

I've owned everything from a ncstar to an acog that was a couple grand, out of all of these I still own an aimpoint pro and a trs 25. Honestly if its a defensive rifle and you don't have $400 then buy a set of trijicon night sights for the AR15 should be $75-$90.

This all IMHO but I think mine is a pretty darn informed one.

Sapper771
June 22, 2013, 07:39 AM
I will echo the Aimpoint PRO. I have one on an AR and it is an excellent red dot sight.

IME, I would stay away from sightmark. I have had several friends buy them and then return them the next business day. One would turn off under recoil. The same one would also suffer from wandering zero and would require constant re-zeroing(often in the same range trip). Another one wouldn't zero at all. A third sightmark had dot issues like fading and blinking, even after having a fresh battery installed. This third sightmark also would not hold its zero.

Most seem satisfied with the Vortex RDS offerings. I was able to test fire a rifle that had a SPARC on it. It was a pretty nice, but I guess I am just spoiled by my Aimpoints and EoTech.

jmr40
June 22, 2013, 09:26 AM
The SPARC from Vorex is hard to beat. It has 2 MOA dot vs 5 MOA on most which helps a bit with precision at ranges beyond 50 yards or so.

ObsceneJesster
June 22, 2013, 12:20 PM
Don't make the mistake I did. Just buy the Aimpoint or Eotech in the beginning and that will save you money and headaches over the long run. I just found a Aimpoint PRO for $360 shipped. There's no reason not to save another $160 for a RDS you know will last the rest of your life.

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gotigers
June 22, 2013, 02:07 PM
The Aimpoint PRO is the best value, if you can be patient and save a little more. They can regularly be found under $400. While saving/waiting shoot more with irons. See how good you can shoot with irons. Otherwise, under $200, Vortex is a good starting point.

tomrkba
June 22, 2013, 02:30 PM
Buy cheap and buy twice!

Save up for awhile longer and buy the Aimpoint. You will not regret it. I have dabbled in lower end products and ended up wasting time with warranty work, running to the range to double check the zero, and so forth. It's just not worth all the extra energy, time and money.

Beentown
June 22, 2013, 03:00 PM
I have both the Aimpoint Pro and Vortex SPARC. I have no idea what the extra $200 is for. Well, besides just to say you have an Aimpoint. Both are quality optics but I would rather have two SPARC's.

Quentin
June 22, 2013, 03:44 PM
Man on a budget, eh? I understand! :D

I just installed a Bushnell TRS-25 on my 15-22 - have EOTechs/ACOGs on the big toys, but I was trying to put together a (3-Gun style) budget plinker, and the more I read about the TRS-25, the more impressive it sounded, 'specially at $110 (for the HiRise version (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ABP8YCA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)).

Impressed with the optic, not so much the HiRise mount - they could have made the mounting screw / clamp a little nicer, but once you have it installed, it gets the job done. I picked up a couple of highly rated, inexpensive risers of varying heights to play with.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKL6L2/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKHMNI/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The regular TRS-25 can be had for around $89, but I went with the HiRise for the muted Bushnell logo (gold on the regular TRS-25, silver / gray on the HiRise) and the riser.

Yeah, I know the TRS-25 and mount probably ain't Aimpoint / EOTech / Trijicon tough, but for the money?

I've got a friend that has been piggybacking on my research on building a budget 3-Gun practice rig on a 15-22, and he also got the TRS-25 HiRise. He's an Aimpoint owner, and so far, he says he's pleasantly surprised with the TRS-25.

Thanks for that, Basicblur. I never heard of the TRS-25 HiRise version but it would get around having UTG on your AR! (I blacked that out on my riser...)

From the single review on Amazon it sounds like you get lower 1/3 cowitness. Is that correct? I use the tall 1" UTG riser to get lower 1/3.

basicblur
June 22, 2013, 05:27 PM
From the single review on Amazon it sounds like you get lower 1/3 cowitness. Is that correct? I use the tall 1" UTG riser to get lower 1/3.
I "think" that's correct - I played with the Bushnell riser for only a few minutes before I mounted it on my 1 o'clock Weaver offset.

Reading riser specs, it appears folks are measuring from different points when they publish height (is that saddle height or total height?).

Bushnell OEM HiRise mount: 1 1/4" tall / 1" saddle height
Leapers should be the same as the Bushnell, as Leapers drawings at the site measure saddle height, NOT total height.
http://www.leapers.com/prod_detail.php?mitem=mount&level1=Model_4,_Model_15&level2=Flat_Top_Mount&itemno=MNT-RS10S3&status=&mtrack=1m2

I didn't particularly care for the looks of that screw on the Leapers, so I got this one, which says 1" height, but apparently that's TOTAL height - the saddle measures 3/4" in height, which will probably give me absolute co-witness:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKL6L2/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=viglink128630-20

Not a bad thing (if I was using it on the 15-22), as it is the first AR I've had with a folding front sight - all my big ARs have fixed front sights.
Since the 15-22 has a folding front sight, I think I would rather have absolute co-witness rather than lower 1/3? Since the BUIS are folded, they don't interfere with the optic. If the optic goes down, flip the front sight up, and I can shoot with the same cheek weld as with the red dot.

On my big ARs, with lower 1/3 co-witness, if the optic goes down, I'll have to scrunch slightly to pick up the BUIS at the lower height.

Don't know if you have a folding front sight or not - if so, you might prefer absolute co-witness?

Tim the student
June 22, 2013, 06:04 PM
Primary Arms.

jmr40
June 22, 2013, 06:07 PM
Another caveat. The dot size especially in MOA is hard to verify. I think it predictably varies among the Chinese made sights for any given number. One has to take the manufacturer's or vendor's word. In the end, holding up zero matters more,

I cannot verify the 2 MOA dot on the SPARC is actually 2 MOA. But the one I own is certainly smaller than any others I've tried. Accurate shooting is quite possible out to at least 200 yards.

I haven't tried the high end stuff, but have been burned a couple of times with some cheaper stuff. Some not that cheap. The SPARC is the only thing I've tried that works. It was easy to zero, others I've tried did not have predictable adjustments and I chased bullet holes all over the target because of it. It has maintained zero for 3 years no with no issues. An Aimpoint is no doubt better. But for $200 the SPARC does what I need done.

ObsceneJesster
June 22, 2013, 07:03 PM
I have both the Aimpoint Pro and Vortex SPARC. I have no idea what the extra $200 is for. Well, besides just to say you have an Aimpoint. Both are quality optics but I would rather have two SPARC's.

You obviously never went to turn on your Sparc only to find the battery dead because it turned itself on while in storage. You obviously never ran your Sparc through a carbine course and fired 800 rounds in a weekend. You obviously never beat your carbine up. Lastly, you obviously don't plan on trusting your life on your carbine. If you did, you would appreciate the track record Aimpoint has built for itself and the fact that it's battle tested.

Maybe you should sell me your Aimpoint and buy 2 or 3 more SPARC's.

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Beentown
June 22, 2013, 11:02 PM
ObsceneJesster

Obviously you like the word obviously (I bet you use the words epic and amazing a lot). What a load you've posted with assumptions pulled from thin air. I am sure you haven't tried a SPARC and swear by the Aimpoint Pro because all the operators on ARFCOM (actually seems more like a M4Carbine.net comment) and Pirate4x4 said it was the absolute best (insert currently cool, Armed Forces slang here instead of absolute best).

You obviously never ran your Sparc through a carbine course and fired 800 rounds in a weekend. You obviously never beat your carbine up.

My SPARC has been through two courses. One wasn't strictly carbine but it still had 600 rounds shot from the rifle wearing it. The other course was just short of 1000 rounds in two days. No failures of both I have owned (sold one with a YHM carbine).

You obviously never beat your carbine up.

Nope, I don't pick fights with my rifles. Nor do I treat them easily (at least the ones I consider just tools).

Lastly, you obviously don't plan on trusting your life on your carbine.

I would have no issue using the SPARC on a defensive weapon. But I believe in redundancy so I have BUIS (and know how to use them) on all my semi autos. One is none....

Aimpoints are great RDS's but they have proven no better than the SPARCS. Only thing I would change on the SPARCS would be battery type and positioning of the power switch. And the switch change around would be just for those who can't figure out that the stove is hot but complains to everyone that it was hot...

I shoot approximately 9,000 rounds a year between three AR's (was 5 but sold 2 during the insanity, most of the rounds through two because one is a long range plinker/yote rifle). One wears a SPARC and no failures just like the one before it.

I know others shoot more than me but with my volume the SPARCS have proven reliable and a GREAT value.

Now go complain about all those non-Milspec carbines in the world...

Ro1911
June 22, 2013, 11:25 PM
Beentown,

I tend to agree with the others here that the aimpoint is better but here are the real reasons and some of these you may not care about.

Lens clarity - the aimpoint is a lot less blue then the sparc
Battery life - the aimpoint's is measured in years lol kind of hard to beat.
Ruggedness - the cases I would call equal but it's the electronic components inside that make the aimpoint (or any other high end dot sight) able to take a lot of abuse.
Controls - the aimpoint control nob is pretty much the best in the industry IMO

Basically it's like asking the difference between a hi point and a glock, the devil is in the details. But will a hi point shoot, yes will a vortex sparc work yes. Now Jennings and ncstar is a totally different story. Lol

fragout
June 22, 2013, 11:45 PM
The Vortex SPARC is an outstanding little red dot from my experience with one, and will hold zero without issue.

Since I have had mine, it has held zero on several different long guns.

M14S with ARMS mount
M1A-A1 with Bassett mount
M1A Socom 16 with Ultimak M8 HG mount
SnW MP15
M121 Bennelli 12GA semiautomatic shotgun shooting slugs
M1 Carbine with Ultimak HG mount
WASR 10-63
And a 10-22 TD

Havent managed to break it yet.

Comes with 3 different hiegth mounts out the box if memeory serves. (Let my oldest boy borrow it, and havent got it back yet....lol)

Paid $200 exact for it.

2MOA dot as advertised.

NV setting does work with PVS14's.

Works just as well as the M68's at work do, and in any kind of light compared..... although it is much more compact and lighter in weight vs the more expensive Aimpoint.

Used it in inclement weather, and it held up fine. Snow and rain.

Only thing I dont like about the whole thing is the little 2x magnifier that comes with it. Worthless IMO, and would have rather received an ARD instead, as the sight glows red from lookin at it from the front of the rifle while the sun is a bright out.

Would rather have 2 of them vs one Aimpoint, as they want more for one than I'm willing to give.

Quentin
June 23, 2013, 12:13 AM
... Not a bad thing (if I was using it on the 15-22), as it is the first AR I've had with a folding front sight - all my big ARs have fixed front sights.
Since the 15-22 has a folding front sight, I think I would rather have absolute co-witness rather than lower 1/3? Since the BUIS are folded, they don't interfere with the optic. If the optic goes down, flip the front sight up, and I can shoot with the same cheek weld as with the red dot.

On my big ARs, with lower 1/3 co-witness, if the optic goes down, I'll have to scrunch slightly to pick up the BUIS at the lower height.

Don't know if you have a folding front sight or not - if so, you might prefer absolute co-witness?

Thanks again, basicblur! My ARs do have a fixed front sight so like you I use lower 1/3 cowitness. With the rear sight folded down it's much less "busy" than absolute.

ObsceneJesster
June 23, 2013, 12:41 AM
@Beentown.....I've had a Comp M4 since 2008. I just changed its battery a few months ago. Not because it was dead but because it sits on my home defense carbine. I keep it turned on at all times because I don't feel like fiddling with a power button in the middle of the night.

Being a self proclaimed Doomsday Prepper, I mount an Aimpoint on every rifle I prepare to bug out with. Each Aimpoint has a few spare batteries in the stock or grip of each rifle their mounted to. This ensures me a working optic whether I live for 30 days or 30 years. I understand this reason why I choose Aimpoint may be silly to you or others but it is what it is.

Lastly, are you actually being serious when you say Aimpoints have proven no better than Sparcs? Please tell me you started typing without thinking. I'm not even going to waste my time debating all of the things wrong with this comment. I'll just leave it at this. Vortex makes great Optics and they are a good company but even they wouldn't think their Sparc is on the same level as a military grade optic.

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ObsceneJesster
June 23, 2013, 12:49 AM
@Fragout, what Aimpoint are you comparing the Sparc to when you say it weighs less? The Pro or the T1? I'm assuming the Pro.

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fragout
June 23, 2013, 01:14 AM
The M68 CCO is what I was refferring to. Aimpoint makes them for my employer.

No hands on here with the other dot sights that Aimpoint sells, but understand that they produce a dot sight in similar size to the SPARC.

Cant remember what the civilian version is called, but it looks very much like the Vortex Strike fire in size and weight.


No 1st hand experience personally with the Strike fire either, so cant give an opinion on them in comparison to the M68 CCO.

FWIW, the M68 can take a huge amount of punishment and still function. I have used them on various work related "outings" in extreme conditions, and they make for a very solid optic. ( To date, I havent put the SPARC under the same conditions as the M68, but to be honest, I dought I ever will)
They work fine for shooting out to 300meters, and co=witness, so it's easy to "lolly pop" the dot off of properly zeroed iron sights..... confirm poi at the zero range....then move on over to the qual range.
If the civilian version is built to the same standard, then I can see why you like them. I like um too, but not enough to fork over the $$ for one.

EDIT: Here is a link to the type of Aimpoint I am refferring to......
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/971768/aimpoint-compm4-official-us-army-m68cco-red-dot-sight-30mm-tube-1x-2-moa-dot-with-picatinny-style-mount-matte

Chunky
June 23, 2013, 06:15 AM
I've got a Strikefire, used it on my shotgun with no issues.
At work we have trijicon RMR mounted on top of the ACOG, fantastic kit, but hardly a budget option.
Have to say though that I do prefer the open style of the RMR over the tube style

basicblur
June 23, 2013, 08:52 AM
I never heard of the TRS-25 HiRise version but it would get around having UTG on your AR! (I blacked that out on my riser...)

Here's another option if you already have a TRS-25 and need a tall riser, but don't want a UTG billboard on the side?

I just found out the guy over on Amazon I bought the low and medium risers from also has a tall riser. Not a biggie, but I don't like the thumbscrew on the tall riser, which is different than your normal AR type thumbscrew. I don't know why they have a different style screw on the tall unit?
I e-mailed him and asked about it - he says the picture is correct - for some reason the tall riser has a different screw.
Tall Riser
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKNPV6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A31CY69PC1LQYS
Medium Riser
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKL6L2/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Low Riser
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HKHMNI/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Be aware, that this guy lists his heights as total height, not saddle height (Leapers uses saddle height).

You can't beat the price on optics-store, but you can probably guess where these things are made? (It doesn't say where on the box). Doesn't bother me at the moment, as they're only going on a 15-22, are for experimenting, and they do appear identical in appearance to the OEM riser that comes with the Bushnell TRS-25 HiRise.

BTW - the Bushnell mount ain't bad in appearance, except for the darn screw and the clamping rail. They could have done a better job with the appearance of the screw (if that's important to ya), but for some reason the moveable part of the clamp system is not full length as most all risers are. Being just a short clamp, when you loosen the screw, the darn clamp wants to flop around, unlike full length clamps, which pretty much hold their position until you can tighten.

bigalexe
June 23, 2013, 10:05 AM
The best value you are going to find in RD/Holo sights is going to be the Aimpoint or Eotech. Trijicon is absolutely awesome but I'd argue against value because well... they charge you too much like Snap-On Tools IMHO. Now a number of people are going to disagree but I just put a SightMark brand Reflex on my AR. It's an Eotech Clone that ran me $120 but I paid full price due to wanting it right now and I've seen them on sale for as low as $80. I've heard people whine that it's cheap and whatever and it's going to break. At the same time what I haven't found is complaints from actual owners. It seems like an optic where everyone assumes it's cheap until they buy one and 6000 rounds later it's still holding zero. If you really are on a budget I suggest giving the SightMark a chance.

Beentown
June 23, 2013, 08:36 PM
Lastly, are you actually being serious when you say Aimpoints have proven no better than Sparcs?

Never said the Aimpoint couldn't be a better optic, just that it is not worth the extra cost. I have said my experience and those who have actually used them around me (fellow shooters who have started using them after seeing/trying mine). The Aimpoint isn't worth the extra $200 compared to the SPARCS we have used, for us. Mind you I do have a Nightforce and Vortex PST on other rifles. So I am not always budget conscious.

Lastly ( :rolleyes: ) you have an infinity for assuming. I won't argue my experience anymore. Rounds on target, classes, and multiple examples are all I need. That extra $200 can go towards half a class or 750ish reloads.

Basically it's like asking the difference between a hi point and a glock, the devil is in the details. But will a hi point shoot, yes will a vortex sparc work yes

Vortex = HiPoint
Aimpoint = Glock

Horrible comparison I would say having owned all of them. To me it would be more like...

SPARC = XD
Aimpoint = XD-M

Fishbed77
June 23, 2013, 08:48 PM
Aimpoints are great RDS's but they have proven no better than the SPARCS.

Comment FAIL.

Only thing I would change on the SPARCS would be battery type and positioning of the power switch.

...and you just proved why.

Geronimo45
June 23, 2013, 09:28 PM
Aimpoint Pro. Barring that, Vortex Sparc. I've dropped it from 5ft onto concrete and it still runs.

ObsceneJesster
June 23, 2013, 10:05 PM
Maybe or government both local and federal should stop wasting money on Eotech's, Aimpoints and Trijicon's. Don't they know that they could just spend $200 on a equally good Sparc?

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nastynatesfish
June 23, 2013, 10:18 PM
Find a used aimpoint. I paid 200 for mine. Works just fine

todd7
June 27, 2013, 12:15 AM
I would say buy the aimpoint pro, I bought the T-1 mico and a pro. I like the pro the best with the 2 MOA, it is parallax free, has NV and 3 year battery life. I'm 6'3'' and the pro seemed easier and faster for target Acquisition.

Robert
June 27, 2013, 09:21 AM
Lots of good answers here, but far too much bickering. So, everyone out of the bunker and go get some fresh air.

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