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ID-shooting
June 21, 2013, 09:56 AM
Browsed some local shops yesterday. One thing stood out, each one had piles of AR rifles in every variant imaginable. Not just 2 or 3, but like 20 each. Prices from $800 clear up to one shop still panic pricing at $2k (who still had the WalMart tags on them) hehehe.

Talked to one sales dude who said sales are back to pre-panic levels.

Sooooo, if one was in the market, do you wait a while to see if a surplus drives the price lower or buy one now that they are back to "normal"?

I do not need one, but might enjoy one.

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MErl
June 21, 2013, 09:59 AM
There will probably be an undershoot if folks get badly overstocked. Don't need it now, might as well give it another month.

hso
June 21, 2013, 10:08 AM
Patience is a virtue.

This is this morning's inventory of ARs at the local Academy. Prices started at $759. The .22 ARs were on the other end of the firearms counter so those are all .223+. They also had dozens of 50rd boxes of .22lr for $3.

yzguy87
June 21, 2013, 10:12 AM
I personally want an AK and an AR-10 but I'm going to wait some more. Id really like to buy soon but I have a feeling there are a lot of people who bought stuff that really aren't into shooting and they're going to be unloading their stuff for cheap.
I bought a bunch of ferderal gmm and federal fusion that way right before the panic and got a heck of a deal on it!

Trent
June 21, 2013, 10:17 AM
When I went to one local shop last week I counted 52 AR-15's on the rack.

Another dealer I went to, is selling off 100+ lowers at cost, now, to get his money back out of them.

I'd say the AR shortage is over. :)

Ammo is also getting a lot easier to find. So are SOME reloading components.

223/9mm/22LR still scarce. Rest is readily available.

I should have sold off my entire collection and then "upgraded". :)

Averageman
June 21, 2013, 10:46 AM
They are stacked deep here locally too!
I'm in the Market for a new DD AR and was happy to see there were 3 on the wall at my LGS. As they didn't have exactly what I wanted I asked if they could get what I was specifically looking for and they got on the phone immeadiatly.
I think we have seen the end of the panic buying in AR's for the time being. In 6 more months I am really hoping the ammo situation normalizes.

breakingcontact
June 21, 2013, 11:14 AM
I personally want an AK

AKs are still high.

ARs are back to relatively normal.

Sheepdog1968
June 21, 2013, 11:44 AM
I was at my local gun store yesterday to get my hunting license and tag. There were some AR lowers, XD pistols, and a few other fire handguns, lots of bolt and lever action rifles, and many shot guns. Also lots of hunting ammo in various caliber though no 22 LR. It does indeed look as if the worse part of it is over.

I go in there every few weeks to hold a new browning a5 which I plan to buy. Also saw and held for the first time a browning BLR take down hog hunter model (18" barrel available in 223 or 308). I gotta say the BLR really impressed me. I'm not sure I need it as I have a love affair with my 30-30 lever action but there is a temptation.

M-Cameron
June 21, 2013, 11:49 AM
personally im waiting for all the panic buyers to start selling theirs, and then when the market is saturated with AR, im hoping to be able to pick up a LNIB AR15 for a few hundred bucks.

taliv
June 21, 2013, 12:02 PM
I should have sold off my entire collection and then "upgraded".

i didn't do that, but i did sell/upgrade quite a few things.


to the OP: if you just want a shooter, go buy it now. If you want an investment, you probably will be able to get things cheaper in the near future, so I'd be patient. HOWEVER, keep in mind that at any minute some improperly medicated nutcase could shoot up another school with another illegally obtained AR and in just a few minutes, we could be back where we were in January. No one can predict that of course, so it just depends on how bad you want one and how bad you want the money.

351 WINCHESTER
June 21, 2013, 12:11 PM
Our lgs has several as they don't have the buying power of the big box stores.

AethelstanAegen
June 21, 2013, 07:04 PM
I went into one of my local stores here in Virginia today to look at what they had for milsurps on consignment (picked up a Hakim). They had huge rack full of AKs and ARs priced at around $800-900 (seemed to be mostly Bushmaster and Windham Weaponry, but I didn't look too carefully). It would seem the gun panic is starting to calm down now, but the ammo is still fairly scarce (the store still had a limit on ammo purchases).

jrdolall
June 21, 2013, 07:25 PM
I have been seeing plenty of AR variants for the past month or more from $599 and up. Academy and Gander are loaded with them and not selling.
I think many people paid soooo much that the market for used rifles will not be good for a while. Many will hold on rather than taking a huge loss-if they can do so financially.
I still can't find ANY .22 LR anywhere around here.

REAPER4206969
June 21, 2013, 07:35 PM
Colt's are never going to be any cheaper than they are right now at Wal-Mart.

If you want one, you better get one while you can.

gspn
June 21, 2013, 09:38 PM
Id wait. My LGS are also dripping with inventory. Hundreds of rifles on display (with who knows how many more in the back) and nobody in the store.

This place is famous for their poor customer service but because i was about the only shopper in the store...THREE different people asked of they could help me. They panic surge is over and theyre all twiddling their thumbs.

Time is on your side.

gotigers
June 22, 2013, 08:21 AM
Same in Memphis. Many stores have to much AR inventory and prices are falling.

Now if the ammo will start being overstocked.

PabloJ
June 22, 2013, 08:36 AM
I would rather put my money into something truly useful like an M1A. With all those next to useless accessories the AR platform is huge money pit while the Garand actioned rifle is simple proven and needs to added decorations.

gotigers
June 23, 2013, 12:16 AM
Lol. You dont have to buy the accessories. What you call a money pit, many call flexibility or modular.

justice06rr
June 24, 2013, 02:56 AM
personally im waiting for all the panic buyers to start selling theirs, and then when the market is saturated with AR, im hoping to be able to pick up a LNIB AR15 for a few hundred bucks.

That "few hundred bucks" would not be anything less than $600. Most common AR15's now are priced between $700-1000.

For anyone holding out and waited patiently to buy an AR, now is a good time.

Arkansas Paul
June 24, 2013, 10:09 AM
I would rather put my money into something truly useful like an M1A. With all those next to useless accessories the AR platform is huge money pit while the Garand actioned rifle is simple proven and needs to added decorations.

You're right, an M1A is truly useful. Especially if you lose your barbells. You could always bench press it as much as it weighs.

Pilot
June 24, 2013, 10:13 AM
If you don't have one, get one now, as the next mass shooting will certainly be used by the politicians, and ex-hippies to push for another AWB, mag restrictions, and any other restriction they can think of.

X-Rap
June 24, 2013, 10:33 AM
All these fantastic notions of cheap LNIB AR's for less than 50 cents on the dollar are just that, fantasy.
We have been through a few panics and I have yet to see prices lower on the backside than what retail was before the panic. Prices will bottom out at +-$600 for what was basic bottom dollar guns and the rest will range up from that. Be careful how long you wait, as has been said, it can turn on a headline. If I were a betting man I would look for some mid range AR's on sale in a few months and buy half a dozen and just leave them set, I'd also watch sales on quality mags and when you think they have hit rock bottom buy a couple hundred of them. The potential to more than double your money exists, when I bought my first AR, an HBar I paid about $600, I'm pretty sure I've passed up the chance to double that a few times over the years. I bought a cart full of SKS for $69 that increased well over 4x that cost, wish I would have bought 2 carts full.

jrdolall
June 24, 2013, 10:42 AM
$699 all day long on lower end ARs with Colts less than a grand at Walmart. I think we will see a little more lowering to pre-panic prices as LGS start to try and move inventory. I think we now can see why it made no sense for these gun manufacturers to make substantial investments in their plants to produce extra guns for the panic. It ended pretty quickly and I bet orders for their ARs have come to a screeching halt.
I bought .22 mag ammo at a decent price this weekend for my plinker. 45 is readily available as are all other handgun calibers but .22 LR is still short. I expect that to change within a month unless something else stupid happens. .223 ammo is coming back online quickly with several sites on Gunbot below $.50 per round and it was $1 two months ago.
A $10k investment in ARs and accoutrements would probably be better than Southern Company stock right now.

Squeaky Wheel
June 24, 2013, 09:04 PM
Dropped into a Cabelas this afternoon to look around. I counted over 160 AR style rifles on the racks outside of the gun counter and show room. Lots to choose from.

greyling22
June 24, 2013, 09:18 PM
I don't think you will ever find a used one cheaper than a new one. If the last panic is any guide, too many people overpaid and will refuse to take a loss. You will see armslist and the like littered with 6-800 dollar guns listed for $1k+ with something to the effect of "at cost" or "just trying to get my money out" in the posting. Which is a shame, I'd love to pick up some lightly used parts at 30% "normal" pricing. 30% off panic is still higher than normal retail. Makes me feel a little bad for the non-gun guys who bought just one and now can't sell it. I hope they keep it and enjoy it. The speculators and scalpers can get screwed WAY over for all I care. If the free market says they can try and profiteer at my expense, then the free market says I can laugh at their current predicament.


What I REALLY hope for is that lightly used reloading stuff starts hitting the market in a couple years. I want a half price dillon 650...... :)

Magnuumpwr
June 24, 2013, 09:40 PM
Keep your ears open. It is quite possible some people that purchased AR's to resell got stuck with them. So if karma takes hold, financial reasons could force some sells.

ID-shooting
June 24, 2013, 09:51 PM
Did buy one this weekend at the small LGS that didn't scalp or crazy price hike. NIB Base M4 with 10 GI mags, $750. Says he still made a small profit.

788Ham
June 24, 2013, 11:39 PM
I'd like to see how the scalpers are going to peddle the .22 ammo they hoarded while this panic was ongoing ! I hope they have to practically give it away, then the guy's ol' woman will raise cane til' he can't stand it. lol Live with it Homer ! :banghead:

feedthehogs
June 25, 2013, 08:20 AM
For the perpetual dreamers, unless the economy collapses and people need food more than an ar you won't see 200.00 new ar's no matter how low sales get.

Wishing hoarders get stuck with product to sell at a loss and get nailed by the other half is plain childish. Those who have bought to keep are doing just that. Those who buy cheap and sell higher are constantly turning over inventory and turning ammo into currency now, not later.

The other factor the dreamers don't grasp is that many buyers bought to keep. Don't need the money and if the value drops they just hold onto it and don't give a second thought.

The true concern is at the manufacturing level. Backed up inventory means low production which means a trickle down in labor, material cuts and possible closure given the amount of ar startups in the last 5 years.
Less competition could mean higher prices down the road.

jrdolall
June 25, 2013, 09:33 AM
I keep seeing this "flipper" bashing and I am not sure I understand. People took advantage of a peak in demand and turned a profit. Isn't that what the guy selling "fresh" vegetables out of his truck does? You don't really think those baskets of perfect tomatoes came out of his garden do you? Maybe you didn't notice the large boxes saying "vine ripe" tomatoes that are laying around.
People buy houses at low prices and flip them. People buy cars and flip them. People buy ammo and flip it. That doesn't mean I have to buy it.
And why would you think that these guys are going to lose money once the price settles? If they have been buying .22 at Walmart then they will still have only $20 or so in a brick so the WORST they will do is break even.
I haven't sold a round of ammo or a gun during this panic. I have bought several guns and a few boxes of ammo here and there. I hold no grudge against the people and companies that took advantage of the situation. The ONLY place where I saw consistent pre-panic pricing on guns and ammo was at Walmart and that fact doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about that company.

yzguy87
June 25, 2013, 09:56 AM
Was at wallyworld last night and they had a few AR's. DPMS Sportical for 649, Bushmaster M4 949 and a couple Colt (I think socoms) for about 1500.

Only ammo was some 6.8spc and bunch of shotgun ammo.

justice06rr
June 26, 2013, 08:30 PM
I keep seeing this "flipper" bashing and I am not sure I understand. People took advantage of a peak in demand and turned a profit. Isn't that what the guy selling "fresh" vegetables out of his truck does? You don't really think those baskets of perfect tomatoes came out of his garden do you? Maybe you didn't notice the large boxes saying "vine ripe" tomatoes that are laying around.
People buy houses at low prices and flip them. People buy cars and flip them. People buy ammo and flip it. That doesn't mean I have to buy it.
And why would you think that these guys are going to lose money once the price settles? If they have been buying .22 at Walmart then they will still have only $20 or so in a brick so the WORST they will do is break even.
I haven't sold a round of ammo or a gun during this panic. I have bought several guns and a few boxes of ammo here and there. I hold no grudge against the people and companies that took advantage of the situation. The ONLY place where I saw consistent pre-panic pricing on guns and ammo was at Walmart and that fact doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about that company.

What you failed to understand is that the gun and ammo flippers are selling them at a very inflated price without doing anything.

When you flip a house or a car, you have to do some work to it to increase the value. You cannot expect to buy a run-down house or non-working car for cheap, then re-sell it for a big profit.

On the other hand, when the ammo and gun flippers do it, they just resell the ammo at a higher cost with no actual increased value added to it. For example, people will buy a brick of 22lr ammo from Walmart at $25/box and re-sell it for $75.

There is a big difference.

jrdolall
June 26, 2013, 09:09 PM
What you failed to understand is that the gun and ammo flippers are selling them at a very inflated price without doing anything.

When you flip a house or a car, you have to do some work to it to increase the value. You cannot expect to buy a run-down house or non-working car for cheap, then re-sell it for a big profit.

On the other hand, when the ammo and gun flippers do it, they just resell the ammo at a higher cost with no actual increased value added to it. For example, people will buy a brick of 22lr ammo from Walmart at $25/box and re-sell it for $75.

There is a big difference.

I understand what they are doing. They are getting up early and heading to the local Walmart or Academy and camping out and then paying their cash to buy a product that is in demand. They then take that ammo home and post an add on Gunbroker or Armslist or wherever and people bid the price up to $75. They then take the ammo to the USPS or Fedex and ship it to the buyer. They spend at least a 2-3 hours to buy and sell three boxes of .22 ammo on which they will "profit" $150.
Apparently they are filling a need in the supply chain or people would not be buying the product from them. I certainly am not making a 5 AM, 30 minute trip to stand in line at Academy and get my 3 boxes.
I am not advocating what they are doing. I understand that they are taking advantage of the situation at hand in order to make a profit. I am merely saying that there are apparently many people out there that are willing to pay for this product and service that they are offering. If we don't like what they are doing then just DON"T BUY THE AMMO from them. Either go to Walmart at 5 AM or wait until it becomes available. Online prices on 22LR are already at $.09 per round which is $45 per brick. Many online retailers were offering 22LR at $75 per brick a couple of months ago but I promise they were not buying it at Walmart. They were taking advantage of the situation just like Bubba and Lamerle are doing.

ID-shooting
June 26, 2013, 09:18 PM
I understand what they are doing. They are getting up early and heading to the local Walmart or Academy and camping out and then paying their cash to buy a product that is in demand. They then take that ammo home and post an add on Gunbroker or Armslist or wherever and people bid the price up to $75. They then take the ammo to the USPS or Fedex and ship it to the buyer. They spend at least a 2-3 hours to buy and sell three boxes of .22 ammo on which they will "profit" $150.
Apparently they are filling a need in the supply chain or people would not be buying the product from them. I certainly am not making a 5 AM, 30 minute trip to stand in line at Academy and get my 3 boxes.
I am not advocating what they are doing. I understand that they are taking advantage of the situation at hand in order to make a profit. I am merely saying that there are apparently many people out there that are willing to pay for this product and service that they are offering. If we don't like what they are doing then just DON"T BUY THE AMMO from them. Either go to Walmart at 5 AM or wait until it becomes available. Online prices on 22LR are already at $.09 per round which is $45 per brick. Many online retailers were offering 22LR at $75 per brick a couple of months ago but I promise they were not buying it at Walmart. They were taking advantage of the situation just like Bubba and Lamerle are doing.
You act as though they are doing you a favor. If they didn't get up and clean out the store as soon as it is put out it would be there later when you showed up and you would pay 1/3 the price.

If you want to pay someone stupid prices to get ammo for you then so be it. Me, I am not so lazy.

Sorry, you can apologize for scalpers all you want. They are not providing a service. They are leaches and are only feeding off the gullible.

Badlander
June 26, 2013, 09:30 PM
I did not buy my ARs to sell. But when the price went silly I sold them. The guy that bought them was smiling when we parted ways. So now I'm A leech? replaced one this week. For less than half what I got for A similar rifle. The prices get silly again I will sell again.

ID-shooting
June 26, 2013, 09:42 PM
I did not buy my ARs to sell. But when the price went silly I sold them. The guy that bought them was smiling when we parted ways. So now I'm A leech? replaced one this week. For less than half what I got for A similar rifle. The prices get silly again I will sell again.
No. Now, if you ran around buying every one in town with the express purpose of scalping it would be a different story. Kinda like the guy I encountered this weekend who still had the WalMart tags on and was asking a cool 2k.

REAPER4206969
June 26, 2013, 10:04 PM
with Colts less than a grand at Walmart.
I've never seen a sub-$1k Colt, except the 6900, but that's not a "real" Colt.

Wal-Mart LE6920's are $1,097.

Pripyat
June 26, 2013, 10:10 PM
During the worst part if the panic I posted an add on armslist offering free .22 ammo in small quantities only if it is needed for a kid to shoot or or to eliminate a varmint.

I got 2 emails: both thanking me for helping out the shooting sport. Really blew my mind that people were paying $50+ for a brick of ammo but apparently no one "needs" 25 rounds of .22 for free. :confused:

Says a lot about the desire to hoard. The .22 shortage is far from over. You might be able to get it for .09 relatively easily online but we are far from seeing federal bulk regularly at wally world.

jrdolall
June 26, 2013, 11:04 PM
You act as though they are doing you a favor. If they didn't get up and clean out the store as soon as it is put out it would be there later when you showed up and you would pay 1/3 the price.

If you want to pay someone stupid prices to get ammo for you then so be it. Me, I am not so lazy.

Sorry, you can apologize for scalpers all you want. They are not providing a service. They are leaches and are only feeding off the gullible.
Well if we want to get offensive then I will state that while I may be lazy because I don't want to go to Walmart at 5 AM I was not stupid enough or broke enough to NEED to buy ammo from flippers. Once again it is a situation of supply and demand. No different at all from a guy that buys a house for $100k, puts a month and $25k in the house, and then sells that house for $175k. He uses his initiative and knowledge to turn a profit. Bubba uses his initiative and turns a profit and you call him all kinds of bad names.
Complaining about these guys may make you feel better because they are doing something you don't like but it doesn't make them bad people, just opportunists. As has been stated ad nauseum "just don't buy their products". On Gunbroker don't bid on them. It's really that ssimple.

Dr.Rob
June 27, 2013, 02:36 AM
If I had another $1100 laying around I'd buy another Colt.

rgwalt
June 27, 2013, 08:40 AM
I will say that we are likely to see some pinched sales of AR's and other guns (Glocks for example). However, I doubt we will see the market awash with $500 AR's or $300 Glocks. Most people won't want to take the hit, but a few people will. The problem is that there is going to be demand for these pinched sales, so I doubt the price will fall that far. There are quite a few people out there waiting to nab these sales.

This being said, there are a lot of non-gun people that bought guns by camping out, or buying off a friend, or going to a gun show. I have a feeling that when some of these people get pinched, the will resort to pawning their guns but won't care enough about them to get them off of pawn. I've been cruising local pawn shops looking for a few things, and I think there is potential for some decent deals there.

In my area, people haven't clued in yet and I still see overpriced AR's and other guns on-line. I don't know why people continue to pay $500 for a used Gen 3 Glock when you can find one new, with just a little bit of effort, for $530+tax ($580 out the door). I would pay the $80 premium to buy a new gun. Are there really that many people who can't pass a background check, or don't want a gun "papered" to them that the market is that tight?

Assuming nothing crazy happens, I think the next 2-3 months will continue to see the settling of the used gun market. I think things will get really interesting come november/december. I think we may see more people in a pinch looking to make sales then, as well as in Jan/Feb of 2014.

rgwalt
June 27, 2013, 08:44 AM
If I had another $1100 laying around I'd buy another Colt.
A friend of mine and I keep saying that we are going to buy up a few reasonably priced low to mid range AR's (some Colts and Sigs on the higher end, some S&W, bushmaster's, and windhams, etc.). Maybe buy up 10 total and wait for the next panic. Well, we always say that, and then realize that 1) we don't have $10K laying around between the two of us and 2) it would turn us into gun dealers, rather than people who casually sell guns out of their own collection.

Trent
June 27, 2013, 11:15 AM
A friend of mine and I keep saying that we are going to buy up a few reasonably priced low to mid range AR's (some Colts and Sigs on the higher end, some S&W, bushmaster's, and windhams, etc.). Maybe buy up 10 total and wait for the next panic. Well, we always say that, and then realize that 1) we don't have $10K laying around between the two of us and 2) it would turn us into gun dealers, rather than people who casually sell guns out of their own collection.

Easy way out on that one.

If you buy firearms for an investment, find a local FFL that'll handle the transfer when you decide to sell to someone. You might lose $20-30 off the sale for their troubles, but you won't run afoul of the 'for profit' statute, as the firearms go through a dealer.

I've got many rifles that I bought for investment. Is it a good investment? Time will tell. But I'm not turning them over on short term sales. When I do decide to sell (retirement, need money, whatever) they are there to fund my next great adventure.

If I casually sell a rifle now and then, to trade up, I'll generally sell directly to someone. ATF isn't likely to peg you as a dealer if you're simply reorganizing a collection. E.g. I have several arms up for sale right now, so I can fund a Sako TRG. Expensive gun, I need to sell several other firearms to get the money.

That doesn't make me a dealer, it makes me a collector, reorganizing a collection. I'm not selling for profit, I'm selling to fund a different firearm.

I6turbo
June 28, 2013, 12:54 PM
I keep seeing this "flipper" bashing and I am not sure I understand.
Same here. Individuals are free to buy whatever they find for sale, and they are free to price it at whatever-the-heck price they want and offer it for re-sale. That's what freedom and the free market is all about. Are people advocating for some sort of socialist law that limits what people can buy or sell, or how they can price it??? Are they saying that the seller should somehow "qualify" to sell at a higher price or otherwise justify the asking price to all that might disapprove? All of that is fundamentally absurd, IMO.

Am I happy that I haven't been able to find any ammo that I want at prices that I'm willing to pay at this point in time? NO. Do I think the people who are selling or buying at what I believe are crazy prices are somehow in the wrong? No. That's called the free market, and it's the best system going, by far. BUT, I will be happy when demand drops a bit and prices and availability return to more historical levels!

NoirFan
June 28, 2013, 01:07 PM
What you failed to understand is that the gun and ammo flippers are selling them at a very inflated price without doing anything

So what. This is the fundamental expression of capitalism. Maximum return for minimum work. Every business or individual that sells ANYTHING is trying to get as close as they can to getting something for nothing.

Sorry, you can apologize for scalpers all you want. They are not providing a service. They are leaches and are only feeding off the gullible.

Feeding off the gullible is a time-honored practice that is one of the cornerstones of American civilization. I didn't buy a single round of ammo at inflated prices during this "crisis", but I have nothing but admiration for those who did and still managed to make a profit off the stupid and weak-willed, of which we have a surfeit in our society. Anyone who buys into fear-mongering and confuses "wants" for "needs" deserves to be fleeced.

whetrock
June 28, 2013, 01:24 PM
I'm an AR noob, in the scheme of things, but purchased my XM-15 after the first great panic in 09, for a nominal, amount, you'd have thought I'd have learned,but even I was skeptical that this panic was ever going to end. We're seeing magazines back to normal, (12.30 Pmags at Midway).With the black guns, and mags appearing to have returned to normal, and non-outlandish prices, let's hope 22 ammo is next, 5.56 has eased up, as well as 7.62*39, maybe we can see a return to normal ammunition prices, like we've seen, with AR 15s and mags. LOL, I've heard the "let's buy........ in large numbers and resell during a panic" line, but haven't heard of anybody local with the nerve to buy and release yet. Pretty sure that would require an FFL, but It's kinda grey IMHO. Still people were immensely fearful this time around, and if I live through another panic, maybe I'll have a better bearing of what's actually going on, or if it's gonna be 94 all over again.

cat_IT_guy
June 28, 2013, 01:44 PM
I went into the local Bass Pro yesterday. Pretty well stocked on rifle ammo (sans .22lr). Lots of 5.56 and .223 available, much to my surprise, and at pretty close to prepanick prices - about $12/20 for plinking ammo. Had .308 FMJ ammo available as well at about $1/round. A couple of ARs on the shelf, at what appeared to be normal(ish) prices. Low pistol inventory, and even lower availability of pistol ammo - no 9mm, or .45 at all with the exception of some Hornady ZombieMax(?) at $1+ per round.

Ammo at local walmart is nearly non-existant (availability of shotgun ammo being a given by this point), though I did manage to grab 3 boxes (max allowed still) of 7.62x39 ammo at about $5/box.

Hoping to make it out to the new Gander Mountain Firearms store tomorrow to see what they have, and how their prices compare.

jrdolall
June 28, 2013, 02:03 PM
I was in Walmart yesterday and they had 4 AR rifles in the case. I didn't look to see much about them but one was a DPMS for $619. I walked over to the ammo case and they had several different types of handgun ammo. Multiple boxes of .38 sp, 40, 45, and one lonely box of Tula 9mm. Most of it was WWB so I bought two boxes of .45 and the box of 9mm and replaced most of what I had shot earlier in the week. There was also a full shelf of Tula 7.63x39.
Naturally I had to go back today and get something I forgot. They still had several boxes of 40 and had only sold one box of the 7.62. All prices were at normal pre-panic levels. I think the 7.62 was $5.19. All 4 of the ARs were still in the case although I guess they could have sold them and restocked.

ID-shooting
June 28, 2013, 06:07 PM
Didn't ever say I wanted a law did I? People are free to be a@@ hats, people are free to be suckers, people are free to be leaches. I am free to call them such and shame them into ethical and moral decisions about treating fellow shooters as they would like to be treated and not prayed upon for measly profit and greed. There are more important things in life.

Gun Geezer
June 29, 2013, 07:39 AM
Local Walleyworld has a Colt w/Magpul furniture at $1250. That's $100 more than I paid last October.

Inflation has not been that hot. Price needs to drop on down a tad.

eastbank
June 29, 2013, 08:50 AM
go to the food store and buy a loaf of bread,do you think they only mark it up 10-15 % ? and what service to they provide after all they are only middle men. they buy it and just put it on a shelf and wait for the suckers who can,t grow their own food to come buy it,i guess they are leaches too. if your late to the game you must pay to play,i have been a hoarder,collector and reloader for over 50 years and would not have to buy a single shell the rest of my life for casual plinking and hunting. i have had factory sealed powder and primers stored in a old refrigarter in my celler that are over 40years and they went go off with no problems at all. my advice is to just sit back and let the panic driven prices go away and they will go away. eastbank.

Ken70
June 29, 2013, 08:57 PM
Word got out you can't find .223 ammo, or if you do, it's 2 or 3 times more than pre-panic. So why buy a gun you can't shoot? It also tells you how the gun companies and suppliers were working a 40 hour week (maybe less). They put on an additional shift and no more shortage.

jrdolall
June 29, 2013, 09:47 PM
Actually the gun companies probably played it just right. Why put on an additional shift to end a shortage that was in all likelihood going to be short lived? They would have met temporary demand and then had to cut back hours because sales dried up. There is no way they could have put in additional lines or hired a lot of qualified employees and justified it financially. The "shortage" lasted what? 6 months?
I think AR sales are going to fall off for a while as so many people have jumped into the platform in the past year. Gun sales will flatten for a while(not bad considering how high the sales have been) but will continue to climb in the long run. MOST people do not want or need more than a couple of guns. I just want some quality used guns, not ARs because I don't really want another, to start hitting the market at decent prices.

Warp
June 30, 2013, 12:30 AM
What you failed to understand is that the gun and ammo flippers are selling them at a very inflated price without doing anything.

When you flip a house or a car, you have to do some work to it to increase the value. You cannot expect to buy a run-down house or non-working car for cheap, then re-sell it for a big profit.

On the other hand, when the ammo and gun flippers do it, they just resell the ammo at a higher cost with no actual increased value added to it. For example, people will buy a brick of 22lr ammo from Walmart at $25/box and re-sell it for $75.

There is a big difference.

You are wrong.

You don't flip any product for a profit "without doing anything". If that were true, you would have done it and made money yourself, instead of just whining about the other people who did it.

And, believe it or not, there is still risk involved that they are taking on.

If the market price for a brick of .22lr is $75...it's $75. And it ISN'T $75 because people buy and resell. It's $75 because people buy AND KEEP IT.

If you really truly want to point fingers, get all mad :fire: and play the blame-game, point your fingers at the people shooting the ammo. They are the ones destroying the product and requiring more be produced, transported, and sold to fill the void. If nobody shot the ammo we would have more than enough.

Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?

Not as stupid and getting so irate about "flippers", though.

Prince Yamato
June 30, 2013, 12:59 AM
Feeding off the gullible is a time-honored practice that is one of the cornerstones of American civilization. I didn't buy a single round of ammo at inflated prices during this "crisis", but I have nothing but admiration for those who did and still managed to make a profit off the stupid and weak-willed, of which we have a surfeit in our society. Anyone who buys into fear-mongering and confuses "wants" for "needs" deserves to be fleeced.

Preying on the weak and "stupid"? You know, there is a chance that you are "weak" and "stupid" in some areas. Does that mean you deserve to be treated like crap and taken advantage of? No. Not by ethical humans. What you're describing is not the cornerstone of America, it's the cornerstone of modern Satanism, "do what thou wilt".

We're lucky, in our country, to be able to fully exercise free will. What we need to think of is how we exercise that and how it best serves our common man. There's turning a profit and then there's greed. Consider how you treat others.

frankenstein406
June 30, 2013, 01:25 AM
I see lots of new ars and uppers but the used gun racks are cleared and I still don't see "used" lowers for sale at normal prices. seems like people are holding on to them and are still hungry lol

eastbank
June 30, 2013, 06:11 AM
the bitchen i hear about high prices for any thing is usely from people who were not prepared,i just sold a 500 round brick of .22 rf for 22.00 to a friend who didn,t have any. now i bought that brick(bought 40 bricks) several years ago for 9.99 at dicks, did i rip him off or not? after all i charged more than double what i paid for the brick. will i sell him any more?,no. he was not prepared and i used the sale to show him that by being prepared in the future he can avoid the panic buying. walmart just had 20 boxs of federal 100 bulk packs .223 fmj for about 35.00 a box and 50 bulk packs of 225 rounds of .22 lr for about 10.00 a pack. they also had russian .223 and 762x39 in 20 round boxs. and they still has some at 9.30am a full 2 hours after putting them up. so get up a little earlier and take a ride or have a friend go. eastbank.

Beentown
June 30, 2013, 07:33 AM
Must be some new shooters in this thread. If the 90's and 2008/9 didn't kick you in the butt enough to get prepared, then this recent shortage may not help you see the light either.

In 2010 I purchased an extra 10k rounds of 22lr. I sold it on GB this panic to pay for a new waterfowl shotgun which was more than double what I paid for the .22lr. Call me what you will but I am happy being the planner that I am.

I also buy and sell many items for profit. Many times when I flip that equipment or property I don't even touch it before I sell it. Being a cash buyer and doing the leg work to find the deal has its value...pays my bills.

I also sold off my extra AR's also. I had two I felt comfortable moving. Had $1600 in them and sold them for $3400. Paid for my new 6x12 enclosed trailer that I will use to make more profit. Then I will take some of that and buy some AR's to put back in the safe for another panic that will surely come.

If you are bad at reading tea leaves:

BUY SOME AMMO AND EBR's CHEAP AS YOU CAN FIND. BUY A LITTLE (or a lot) AT A TIME A BUILD A "SAVINGS".

START TO RELOAD IF YOU HAVE THE TIME/ABILITY. (Took this last panic for me to finally do it seriously.)

jrdolall
June 30, 2013, 11:20 AM
I am considering buying 5-10 ARs if I can get them in the $550-$600 range in the next few months. Just leave them in the box and wait. Worst case scenario would be for nothing to happen and I sell them for what I have in them. If we get another panic in a couple of years I might double my money.
Better than a $10k CD at .35% right now.
I have never been short on 22lr. If the current shortage lasts another year I might run out but I have always kept over 10k rounds just because it is always on sale somewhere, is relatively inexpensive and I can store it without taking up too much space. I have enough 9mm to ride out a year as well. Same deal in that it is always going on sale somewhere. 45 is a different story. I do not have enough to carry me very long on range ammo. I was able to get a couple of boxes at Walmart last week and hopefully that will start to be a little easier.

I think reloading equipment and components are going to remain a problem for a while. It seems to me that quite a few people, myself included, may decide that it is a good idea to avoid the next panic and reloading may be the answer. I would love to be able to reload 9mm and 45. Maybe 38 and 357 but I don't really shoot those guns that much.

justice06rr
June 30, 2013, 10:39 PM
So what. This is the fundamental expression of capitalism. Maximum return for minimum work. Every business or individual that sells ANYTHING is trying to get as close as they can to getting something for nothing.


I have owned my own business and provided services and products to consumers. For that business to run, I have invested thousands of $$ and hundreds of man hours.

You don't get something for nothing in business.


You are wrong.

You don't flip any product for a profit "without doing anything". If that were true, you would have done it and made money yourself, instead of just whining about the other people who did it.

And, believe it or not, there is still risk involved that they are taking on.

If the market price for a brick of .22lr is $75...it's $75. And it ISN'T $75 because people buy and resell. It's $75 because people buy AND KEEP IT.

If you really truly want to point fingers, get all mad and play the blame-game, point your fingers at the people shooting the ammo. They are the ones destroying the product and requiring more be produced, transported, and sold to fill the void. If nobody shot the ammo we would have more than enough.

Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?

Not as stupid and getting so irate about "flippers", though.


I don't think so.

I'm not irate about flippers. I was prepared for the panic and had my own stash of ammo, had my AR's and AK's already even before this craziness went on, so I watched in comfort as I continued to shoot. Had thousands of rounds of 22lr to keep me busy.

I could've sold my $800 AR's for $3k or my $700AK for $2K; but I didn't. Why? because I shoot what I own and I'm not in it for the money.

If you are, good for you.

When people were selling bricks of 22lr for $100+, I sold some of my extra's for $50, because I paid less than half to begin with. I'm perfectly content with not ripping people off...

Warp
June 30, 2013, 10:44 PM
I'm not irate about flippers.

I'm perfectly content with not ripping people off...

Then you should have sold more of what you had. Clearly you possessed a quantity of items other people were paying an arm and a leg for, you could have sold for less than "ripping people off" prices, but you chose not to. Shame on you.

Sound pretty silly?

So does claiming that selling at market price is ripping people off while talking down/in a condescending manner to other people based on what you are guessing they may have done.

justice06rr
July 1, 2013, 09:10 PM
Sound pretty silly?



Not at all.

I had no intentions of participating in the panic that occured. If people were caught shorthanded or panicked due to the political climate, that is on them. I'm not ashamed not selling my guns for 300% or more profit.

Market price? It would be silly to pay for a firearm at the peak Market price.

A Colt6920, which is one of my to-buy AR, costs $1097 at Walmart--always has always been. I wanted one for a while even during the panic but would not pay $3k to a seller who was selling one for $3k in January.
Last week they finally had it at my local Walmart and I bought it at normal price.

Paying the "Market price" of $3k sounds sillier to me, instead of being patient and waiting for the panic to subside and picking one up for its normal price.

nathan
July 2, 2013, 10:48 AM
I got enough surplus 8 mm mauser to live with . I got them when Century were selling them for cheap. And i dont sell just for the sake of selling . I buy to keep and work for a living in order i can buy guns and ammo.

jrdolall
July 2, 2013, 12:37 PM
One of the reasons I don't have a real problem with "flippers" is what I am seeing today. Gunbroker lists bulk .22 and is receiving bids at $54 which is roughly $.11 per round. Cabelas has .22 at $49.99 which is $.10 per round and the price at major retailers has been steadily dropping over the past two weeks.
If people have enough internet savvy to use Gunbroker then they should be able to do a search and find internet sites with ammo prices. Instead they pay more which indicates to me that they aren't being all that smart.
Right now the flippers are still able to double their money which makes it worth their time. When the price of a brick gets down to $35 or so it will probably not be worth people's time and effort to buy 3 bricks from Walmart, list it online and only make $45 instead of the $100+ they have been making. Until then there will be people gullible enough to buy it and people savvy enough to sell it to them.

Beach Nut
July 2, 2013, 02:11 PM
I've got the itch to get my first AR but patience might be a good thing now! I'm
still going to keep looking around though and hopefully I can find myself a really
good deal. I haven't been to the LGS around where I live for about two weeks
but I noticed plenty of ARs on the shelves. AKs and SKSs were still scarce
however.

whetrock
July 3, 2013, 01:31 PM
Regardless, I'm just enamored to see AR 15s, and black rifles being sold at mainstream places like Wal-Mart. I was concerned that they would indefinitely pull them from the shelves in light of the tragedies that took place. The Academy I went to yesterday, had a good selection of Colts, as well as Windhams, and a couple of Sigs. All priced reasonable. No ammo though, aside from hunting stuff, and shotshells. Pmags were 19.99 though, too high for me, but still available nonetheless. They've always been high on Pmags. Maybe, just maybe these larger chain establishments with nominal prices, will help the smaller outfits, keep in check with their prices. Even at that my LGS has always had outlandish prices. So things will probably be back to square one. I think now, is the time for ARs if anybody wants to gain entry, at earthly prices.

taliv
July 3, 2013, 07:14 PM
Prices on pmags should come down soon now that the Colorado rush is over.

It is a good time to buy an AR. I would wait for 22lr to come back down a bit.

In any event I think this thread has run its course.

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