POLL : Pick an optic


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fragout
June 23, 2013, 12:54 PM
1. Leupold 1-4x20mm hog scope

2. Weaver 1x3x20mm scope

3. Other of similar magnification and price

Opinions on the following optics wanted. Likes, and dislikes?

Rings? ( Looking at the Burris signature Z rings) Opinions?

Lookin to mount it on a rifle chambered for 308 Winchester.

Target shooting, and hunting hog, coyote, and deer.

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TIMC
June 23, 2013, 12:59 PM
Can't say, I'm a big Leupold scope fan but my serious hunting rifles all have way more magnification abilities than your choices.

skoro
June 23, 2013, 01:07 PM
Heck, flip a coin. You can't lose between a Leupold and a Weaver - they're both darn fine optics.

gotigers
June 23, 2013, 01:08 PM
As posted above. Need more magnification for your uses.

I have the weaver on a 15-22, it is a good scope. I also have other 1-4x scopes. They are fine for 3 gun or plinking, but i would not use them for precision/target or hunting. Especially with the range of a 308. If i had to choose between the two i would go with the leupold.

What model rifle will this be mounted on?
What is your budget?

tahunua001
June 23, 2013, 01:16 PM
in your price range I would go with something by vortex. clear picture, great warranty and rugged. cheaper option I have come to love is Nikon Prostaff. not quite as nice as the vortex but they are durable and precise.

I had that leupold on an AR15 the thing was a piece of s...er... stuff. I traded it to my brother for 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo and he put it on an ruger M77/357 and took him nearly 150 rounds to get the damn thing sighted in... I would never recommend another leupold as long as I live. redfields are just as bad but at least they're cheaper.

adelbridge
June 23, 2013, 01:37 PM
Leupold vx-r or trijicon Accupoint 3-9 or higher. The lighted reticle is perfect for black hogs after dark.

jmr40
June 23, 2013, 01:46 PM
Leupold, VX1 in a 1-4X20 is fine, but I think the hog scope is just too busy. I bought the heavy duplex version.

http://swfa.com/Leupold-1-4x20-VX-1-ShotgunMuzzleloader-Scope-P51851.aspx

fragout
June 23, 2013, 02:01 PM
I have heard that before in regards to certain reticles as "too busy", but am not quite certain exactly what that means.

I would assume it to mean that the reticle distracts the shooters attention....as compared to a simple crosshair reticle?

MErl
June 23, 2013, 02:04 PM
I was looking for a 1-4 recently and almost went with that exact leupold. I realized I would not be able to stand reading PIG PLEX every time I looked through it.

Charles S
June 23, 2013, 02:11 PM
I find it ironic that for years prior to optics people did fine with open sights and routinely made shots approaching the ranges the average hunter with a modern rifle, and I chose that specific word "hunter" - not "shooter", but now we need more magnification. I see people "hunting" of benches with 6.5 X 20 scopes!

I assert we need more hunters not more magnification.

I routinely use a fixed 2.5 power Burris for all of your applications and I do not miss! I can count the number of large game animals, not squirrels, I have missed on three fingers in all of my years of hunting.

I think the Leupold is a fine optic... If low light is a consideration, and money is no object, as mentioned consider the Trijicon scope.

My current favorite rifle is a very light 308 with a Leupold 2.5 X 8 VX III.

Good luck and have fun.

No offense intended.... Each of us approach a problem from a different angle.

JPG19
June 23, 2013, 02:16 PM
I find it ironic that for years prior to optics people did fine with open sights and routinely made shots approaching the ranges the average hunter with a modern rifle, and I chose that specific word "hunter" - not "shooter", but now we need . I see people "hunting" of benches with 6.5 X 20 scopes!

I assert we need more hunters not more magnification.

I routinely use a fixed 2.5 power Burris for all of your applications and I do not miss! I can count the number of large game animals, not squirrels, I have missed on three fingers in all of my years of hunting.

I think the Leupold is a fine optic... If low light is a consideration, and money is no object, as mentioned consider the Trijicon scope.

My current favorite rifle is a very light 308 with a Leupold 2.5 X 8 VX III.

Good luck and have fun.

No offense intended.... Each of us approach a problem from a different angle.
In my opinion, this is largely because more emphasis used to be placed on marksmanship. With such high quality scopes available at such reasonable prices, people can "afford" to spend less time mastering the basics and make everything easier by placing a quality optic on their rifle. It's not so much that we CAN'T hit targets at good range with iron sights, it's that we don't NEED to.

fragout
June 23, 2013, 02:21 PM
I love iron sights personally, but am also interested in optics. Both have thier place in hunting as well as target shooting imo.

Cant stand the "pig"......... "plex"........ inside the reticle either lol.

I am sticking with a 1 inch tube for this project, and optics at around the same price, weight, and OAL.

This is not a precision "hit a dime at 1000m" type of quest, and am looking more towards close range and inside the treeline in low light.

Same optic/rifle for bashing water filled milk jugs out to 500m or so............I'll call it "informal" target shooting.

splattergun
June 23, 2013, 02:34 PM
Any of those choices. I'm assuming you're an Eastern hunter where ya can't see the forest for the trees and used to shorter ranges, since you're looking for lower magnification glass. 3X should do just fine. I rarely use over 3X until I'm looking at >300 yards.

TexAg
June 23, 2013, 04:01 PM
That's plenty of magnification IMO. You learn to use what you have.

gotigers
June 23, 2013, 04:16 PM
The more magnification statement was all encompassing for precision and hunting. I agree you don't need scopes for all hunting. I am a hunter and a shooter.

I don't like busy reticles. I like classic crosshairs for hunting and 3 gun. I like the mil/mil marks for high power scopes when target shooting.

for what you want 1-4x will probably be fine. Just don't expect to shoot 1/2" groups at 200 yards. I shoot a lot of 200-400 with 1-4x. It is fine for 3 gun and plinking steel, but not good enough for target match.

Beentown
June 23, 2013, 08:12 PM
in your price range I would go with something by vortex. clear picture, great warranty and rugged. cheaper option I have come to love is Nikon Prostaff. not quite as nice as the vortex but they are durable and precise.

Yep...

Skyshot
June 23, 2013, 08:24 PM
I have two of the pig plex scopes, one a 581 series mini-14 and the other on a Stag AR. Best scope I've ever had for running coyotes. That center plex circle is a perfect for leading a running dog.

slowr1der
June 24, 2013, 01:02 AM
I don't think you can go wrong with either, however, it's no way I'd put a scope that small on a .308 with that intended use. I'd go with at least a 3-9 if not a 4-14.

As for the rings, the Burris Signature Zee rings are an excellent choice. They are by far my favorite rings I've used under $100.

DM~
June 24, 2013, 02:14 PM
1x4's have a WIDE field of view....perfect for most hunting and getting a high X scope won't make you a better hunter or game shot at the ranges you SHOULD be shooting at big game!

DM

MTMilitiaman
June 24, 2013, 03:25 PM
I am with those who say that either of those optics should provide ample magnification for 99% of most hunting chores.

Consider that the average sniper scope a generation or two ago only went to 4x at most and often was closer to half that. Consider most game is taken at under 200 yards and much of it at less than half that--often on running quarry.

I have a 4.5-14 Leupold on a 7mm Rem Mag. Can't ever say I've wanted more magnification. I can say there have been a few times I've wanted less. I typically keep it on its lowest magnification setting, but even that can be overwhelming when you find yourself 30 feet or so from your target.

I've had a Weaver go Tango Uniform on a Ruger 10/22 so I don't really trust the Weavers to go the distance with any sort of abuse. Never had a problem with Leupold though and that would be my recommendation.

swampcrawler
June 24, 2013, 08:23 PM
I'm going to go with the pro low mag crowd. If you sent shooting prattie dogs at 300+ yards, high magnification will do more harm than help IMHO

Il take field of view over seeing flees any day.

steveo452
June 25, 2013, 08:26 AM
I'm not sure which crowd I'm in, the low mag or the high mag. Maybe someone can tell me. I've got a Leupold VX3 2.5 - 8 x 36mm on my CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39. Where I live 150 yards is a long shot, most are killed in the 75-100 yard range. Either scope would work well for what you want to do, except they may be a bit low powered for target shooting. Me, I'd go with the Leupold.

DM~
June 25, 2013, 10:32 AM
All i can say is, you can shoot some pretty good groups with a 4X scope,

http://fototime.com/7A027770069120A/standard.jpg

What more do you need for a HUNTING scope at any decent ranges?

DM

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