Thoughts on rock chucker


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Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 05:46 PM
Hey all,
Anyone have experience with this kit (or just the press):

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/937051/rcbs-rock-chucker-supreme-master-single-stage-press-kit

Im really itching to get into reloading, been reading and reading, and im about ready to start getting my hands dirty..This kit is available and affordable. Of course i'd like a big nice Dillon progressive but dont really want to wait 6 months to get it, and i dont have the cheese ($) right now anyway. This one is 270$ with rebate it appears. I plan on 600-800 rds per month of 380 and 9mm for now. I shoot 223s but this wont load rifle cartridges, correct? I could always buy those factory I guess. A kit is appealing since i have nothing. I dont want to just default to whats available, but I really want to get going. ANY info on RCBS equipment/ this press/ or whats included in this kit would be appreciated. thanks

Please no "new reloaders suck" posts :)


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jwrowland77
June 24, 2013, 05:58 PM
Can't go wrong with RCBS, Dillon or Hornady.

It should load pistol and rifle. All three listed stand behind their products 110%. I personally have the Hornady classic LNL and it loads pistol and rifle just fine.

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 06:09 PM
Oh. Great. Im not sure why i had it in my head that it wouldnt load rifle

carbine85
June 24, 2013, 06:13 PM
The Rock Chucker is widely considered one of the best single stage presses you can get. Mine has served me well for 30 years. The customer service is great.

Grumulkin
June 24, 2013, 06:16 PM
I think my RCBS press is called something other than a Rock Chucker but it's single stage and I've also been using it for about 30 years. I think the whole kit cost about $115 back then and I've loaded thousands of rounds of ammo one it with no problems from pistol to 458 Lott.

Katitmail
June 24, 2013, 06:24 PM
I'm new reloader and just got first kit:
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=LEE90304&src=exrbSrch

To me it looks like better value. RCBS 505 scale is probably better (I got one) but if I knew I'm getting this kit I could probably be OK with Lee powder scale.

So, for less money you get turret press which can be used as single stage as well. I already loaded 1000 rounds on mine and can do about 200 per hour.

I did get Dillon too (2 month wait) and do feel like thats what I need but this Lee Classic turret is excellent value press for doing smaller batches and developing loads.

P.S. I re-read your post and since you want to do Pistol calibers - I strongly suggest NOT to go single stage. Unless you have tons of free time. Turret is already slow for me.

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 06:26 PM
thx yall

jwrowland77
June 24, 2013, 06:32 PM
P.S. I re-read your post and since you want to do Pistol calibers - I strongly suggest NOT to go single stage. Unless you have tons of free time. Turret is already slow for me.

I've done thousands of pistol rounds on my single stage, and its really not that bad. Single stage is great to learn on. IMHO.

Katitmail
June 24, 2013, 06:34 PM
I've done thousands of pistol rounds on my single stage, and its really not that bad. Single stage is great to learn on. IMHO.
It depends on person I guess. To me Turret is slow now. Single would be even worse. But OP wants to pay more for single stage where he can get turret for less. You can use LCT in single-stage mode no problem. It's no brainer IMO

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 06:35 PM
I've done thousands of pistol rounds on my single stage, and its really not that bad. Single stage is great to learn on. IMHO.
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thanks, i was worried when he said that about pistol rds

stubbicatt
June 24, 2013, 06:37 PM
The RockChucker is pretty much the gold standard of reloading presses, and you won't be let down by their customer service. As one of the other contributors said though, it is pretty slow going for pistol rounds, if you shoot a lot. There are other options for pistols, but to get started I don't think you will be disappointed with the quality of the RockChucker.

Rule3
June 24, 2013, 06:47 PM
As much as I like my LCT press it is not all that much faster than single stage reloading. Maybe 50 or so rounds per hour. The main difference with single stage is you handle the same piece of brass 3 or 4 times. Which can be an advantage rather than disadvantage as you are inspecting every piece of brass. When I was laid up after surgery I had nothing but time on my hands and converted my turret back to single stage. Sometimes it is nice just to size and deprime, then sit and hand prime, flair etc. You can stop at any time and walk away.

I know there is disagreement but I still think batch loading or single stage helps you lean the steps better.

The RC is a very well built machine and will last several lifetimes, I like my Lee but the build quality is not that of the RCBS. The RCBS scale and powder measure are far better built than Lee. I own and use the Lee but the scale in the kit is a throw away. Yes it works but a real PITA to use.

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 06:54 PM
It depends on person I guess. To me Turret is slow now. Single would be even worse. But OP wants to pay more for single stage where he can get turret for less. You can use LCT in single-stage mode no problem. It's no brainer IMO
You're the "engineer" that is so smart you dont need reloading manuals right? I guess i better listen up!

Katitmail
June 24, 2013, 06:56 PM
If you read careful about "books" I said I do have books and I DID read them. I said that I don't need them anymore. And once you will figure out how to load on single stage you won't need it anymore :)

Well, like I said. Unless you have ton's of free time.

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 06:59 PM
thx for the info katitmail

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 07:00 PM
As much as I like my LCT press it is not all that much faster than single stage reloading. Maybe 50 or so rounds per hour. The main difference with single stage is you handle the same piece of brass 3 or 4 times. Which can be an advantage rather than disadvantage as you are inspecting every piece of brass. When I was laid up after surgery I had nothing but time on my hands and converted my turret back to single stage. Sometimes it is nice just to size and deprime, then sit and hand prime, flair etc. You can stop at any time and walk away.

I know there is disagreement but I still think batch loading or single stage helps you lean the steps better.

The RC is a very well built machine and will last several lifetimes, I like my Lee but the build quality is not that of the RCBS. The RCBS scale and powder measure are far better built than Lee. I own and use the Lee but the scale in the kit is a throw away. Yes it works but a real PITA to use.
thx rule 3. i do enjoy taking it slow actually. kind of therapeutic.

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 07:02 PM
I'm new reloader and just got first kit:
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=LEE90304&src=exrbSrch

To me it looks like better value. RCBS 505 scale is probably better (I got one) but if I knew I'm getting this kit I could probably be OK with Lee powder scale.

So, for less money you get turret press which can be used as single stage as well. I already loaded 1000 rounds on mine and can do about 200 per hour.

I did get Dillon too (2 month wait) and do feel like thats what I need but this Lee Classic turret is excellent value press for doing smaller batches and developing loads.

P.S. I re-read your post and since you want to do Pistol calibers - I strongly suggest NOT to go single stage. Unless you have tons of free time. Turret is already slow for me.
this Lee Classic turret is excellent value press for doing smaller batches and developing loads

ive just heard a lot of stuff that makes me think it would just be easier to go with another brand

Katitmail
June 24, 2013, 07:09 PM
ive just heard a lot of stuff that makes me think it would just be easier to go with another brand

I understand this. I _knew_ from beginning I need faster progressive press and I had Dillon 650 on order already. I do like quality tools. And to be honest - I bought LCT as "throw-away" press that I can re-gift or re-sell later. I was eager to get into reloading.

And yes, there is nothing fancy about this piece. But it WORKS. From my understanding Lee Progressives is PITA to deal with, but this one is very simple almost primitive but it does work.

I had another idea in my mind. I shoot lot's of 9mm and will keep Dillon in 9mm. For other calibers I will use LCT because whole kit is cheaper than 1 caliber quick-change kit for Dillon :)
Now after I've loaded 500 rounds on it - I realized that it's not calming me down. This is repetative motion and I need to move forward faster. I'd rather spend 30 minutes tinkering and changing caliber on Dillon and than get 200 rounds in 15 minutes than I spend 1hr doing repetative thing with LCT.

In my mind single stage is not good for pistol loading. Again, this is not "info" - it's my opinion based on my experience. You need to decide what is better for YOU.

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 07:11 PM
true. thx

rajbcpa
June 24, 2013, 07:27 PM
I bought this kit several years ago. It has many items that I will never use including a non-digital scale.

If you are going to reload only rifle, then it is OK. If you are going to reload rifle and pistol, buy a progressive press instead.

hAkron
June 24, 2013, 07:29 PM
I started on this press a few years go. I now mostly load on a Dillon 650, but I still use the Rock Chucker for all of my single stage operations. I still use most of the rest of this kit as well. Some other kits seem to include 'starter' equipment. Most of what comes in the RCBS KIt - press, scale, powder dispenser, hand primer, manual - are top notch!

Reloadron
June 24, 2013, 07:45 PM
Some will argue that you can buy individual items. That said I have a brother who wanted to get into loading his own. I gave him that same RCBS starter kit for Christmas. Keep in mind he is a new hand loader. He loves it. I helped him set things up and walked him through several things but overall in his situation it has proven to be a great starter kit. Thus far he is loading 9mm, 40 S&W, 223 Remington and 308 Winchester.

My main reason for the Rock Chucker is I have one and figured I could better answer his questions on the phone. I am in NE Ohio and he is in SW Ohio so we don't see each other real often. There are other kits by other manufacturers that also are just fine. I happen to like the RCBS Rock Chucker. Would I recommend that kit? Absolutely for a starter because it has most of the essentials in one box.

Ron

harvester
June 24, 2013, 07:49 PM
I bought my Rockchucker in the 1980's and while I have a nice Dillon I still use the Rockchucker often.

Rule3
June 24, 2013, 07:51 PM
I load pretty much every handgun caliber and 4 rifles on the Lee Classic Turret. I do not need large volume of ammo but I need the ability to convert quickly and not cost a fortune for the dies turrets and all the extras. I have separate die turrets for every caliber. The Lee lets me do that . Yes I can buy a Dillon but I have no room for it nor do I need the volume.

I first had (still do, the Lee breach lock and have the quick change locks for the dies. I loaded thousands of rounds of all calibers of handguns.

Had I known then what I know now, I should have just bought the Lee Turret. Just pull the rod out of it and it is a single stage.

That said, the RCBS is still better built, but also more money and the Lee just plain works. The LCT is still only going to give you 150 rounds an hour, maybe 200 if you drink lots of caffeine or something but that is really pushing it.

The single stage is maybe 100 but your time is spent changing dies. The Hornady LNL with bushings, like the Lee Breach Lock is faster to change. I do not know if the RCBS has the bushing system.

It all depends on how many calibers you want to reload and how much.
The only advantage to the LEE is price adding up all the extras for different calibers and their dies are less money. The RCBS has a better scale, manual, press and powder measure and this is from a die hard Lee fan!:D

rfwobbly
June 24, 2013, 07:56 PM
Taken as a kit, quality of all the pieces considered, you can't really do any better. All the pieces they give you are first rate. I started on one of those back in the late 70's. I'm still using the scale and powder measure from that kit.


The first piece you might be augmenting would be the manual. The Speer is a very excellent book (I keep one myself), but if Speer doesn't make a bullet for it, then they completely ignore the caliber. They do cover the calibers you mentioned, but others are missing.

RustyFN
June 24, 2013, 08:26 PM
Potatohead

I plan on 600-800 rds per month of 380 and 9mm for now.

Here is one way to look at it. The RC is a great press and I don't think anybody will deny that. What you are looking at is around 50 rounds per hour production. That will be around 12 to 16 hours to load what you want. The Lee classic turret will load around 200 per hour. Anybody that can't load faster on the classic turret is doing something wrong. That would be around 4 to 5 hours to load what you want. Think about how much free time you have and if you want to spend that much on a press that you might out grow in a few weeks. A classic turret press can also be used as a single stage press.

Potatohead
June 24, 2013, 09:26 PM
geez. lots of good info to digest guys. thanks. having never done it, its hard to know exactly what your gonna want ya know? thx for your help so far. just a bit conflicted now that Rusty mentioned the time involved with this particular press. i do like to fiddle around though, so who knows. u know :)

ranger335v
June 24, 2013, 10:25 PM
I swallowed the green kool-aid in 1990 and bought a Rockchucker 2, it's still in perfect condition. If I had to replace it next week I'd get a Lee Classic Cast, it's a better press.

wrench
June 24, 2013, 10:36 PM
That RCBS kit was the first press I bought when I started reloading. It's still bolted to my bench, I reload all of my rifle ammo on it.
I started out reloading pistol ammo with the RCBS as well, but it is S-L-O-W.
Now I'm using a Dillon 550 for pistol, and it rocks.
A really valid compromise would be a Lee Classic Cast Turret, I used one for years before getting a Dillon. It is lots faster than single stage for pistol, yet you can load rifle ammo with it, and take out the rod and use it as a single stage. The Lee is really a versatile press.

Katitmail
June 24, 2013, 11:15 PM
Here is one way to look at it. The RC is a great press and I don't think anybody will deny that. What you are looking at is around 50 rounds per hour production. That will be around 12 to 16 hours to load what you want. The Lee classic turret will load around 200 per hour. Anybody that can't load faster on the classic turret is doing something wrong. That would be around 4 to 5 hours to load what you want. Think about how much free time you have and if you want to spend that much on a press that you might out grow in a few weeks. A classic turret press can also be used as a single stage press.
I just wanted to add that he will spend another couple hours a month sorting and cleaning brass. I shoot about as much as OP does and even putting 10hr a month is too much for me with little kids and other stuff. I'd like to shoot more and load less. At beginning it's fine when you learn and it's like another hobby that you spend your time on. But ultimate goal is to shoot. And ideally to shoot more :)

X-Rap
June 24, 2013, 11:36 PM
You will always have a use for the Rock Chucker even when you go to a progressive you won't have tool heads and all for every caliber. Everything else with that kit will be useful as well in fact I picked one up a month or so ago at a pawn shop for 180 with a set of dies.
I now have 2 RC's and 2 550 Dillons and a couple other SS presses I'm giving to my boys so they can start. Single stage is a great way to get started and you will always be able to use the press for something.
RCBS is a good as you can get and in my experience have bullet proof customer service.

gamestalker
June 25, 2013, 12:50 AM
I don't really like the RCBS reloading kits much. I think they need to expand the kits to include a case trimmer, maybe upgrade to a 5-10 or 10-10 scale even though the 505 is accurate, tumbler, dial caliper, one standard die set of choice with shell holder, a tumbler, and even a kinetic bullet puller. I know by adding these items to their kits would drive the price up, but it would enable someone to get started loading the right way right from the get go without having to search high and low trying to locate other necessary items. They could drop the lube pad and lube, and the hex key set, as those are really not something many reloaders care for. Since lube is something that is a personal preference thing I feel, and who doesn't own hex keys already. I think they should substitute those with something else of better useful value. Lets face it, when buying one of those kits, a person could not just sit down and start reloading even if they had a die set, without having to spend a good deal more on necessary items like a case trimmer for instance.

What I did, and suggest doing if trying to save a few bucks, is to search for some used items at shops or any other place where used can be found. Yard sales and pawn shops often have a few items and at very discounted prices. An inexpensive Lee trimming set up is very cost effective, and works excellent. And used Rock Chuckers are out there for much less than new. Just about everything RCBS makes carries their life time warranty, regardless of when they were made, and regardless if you are the original owner or not. Many of my dies were used, of which I acquired a competition die set for $25 in near new condition, Rock Chucker for $25, a 5-10 scale used for $5 or $10 in excellent condition as well, you get the idea.

GS

ColtPythonElite
June 25, 2013, 01:29 AM
I bought a Rockchucker master kit over 20 years ago...Good stuff.

AnyMouse
June 25, 2013, 02:32 AM
Buy the Rockchucker. Here’s why:

First, the best way to begin to reload is with a single-stage press. At the beginning you WANT slow. Second, the Rockchucker has been around for decades and has earned a reputation for being a solid machine. You will hand it down to your grandchildren. I doubt that you’d hand a Lee down to anyone. Third, if you later get a Dillon, you’ll find that you still have plenty of use for the Rockchucker.

I have a Rockchucker, an XL650, and a Harrell turret press. The XL650 is fast, and the Harrell is good for very precise loads, but I still use the Rockchucker, a lot.

Buying a kit can be a good way to get started, but of course you have to accept what’s in the kit. If you decide to purchase the items separately, you might want to consider a premium powder measure (such as a Harrell’s) instead of the RCBS. It’s more expensive, but you’ll never need (or want) to replace it, and you’ll find that the settings on a Culver-style measure are more consistent and more repeatable than on other powder measures.

Post #24 said “The Hornady LNL with bushings, like the Lee Breach Lock is faster to change. I do not know if the RCBS has the bushing system.”

The answer is, yes it does. I converted my Rockchucker to the Hornady Lock-N-Load system. You just remove the RCBS press bushing and replace it with the Hornady Lock-N-Load press conversion bushing (a one-time operation that takes all of 45 seconds) and then attach a Lock-N-Load die bushing to each die that you want to use with the system.

frankenstein406
June 25, 2013, 03:03 AM
Watch some youtube vids of the lee classic cast turret you won't regret it.

Reloadron
June 25, 2013, 07:46 AM
geez. lots of good info to digest guys. thanks. having never done it, its hard to know exactly what your gonna want ya know? thx for your help so far. just a bit conflicted now that Rusty mentioned the time involved with this particular press. i do like to fiddle around though, so who knows. u know :)
I believe you should heed what Rusty added. Most people buy a press based on their needs. Personally I load mostly rifle and get somewhat OCD about it. I hand prime and weigh each charge as well as make sure my brass is uniform. However, for someone loading hundreds of handgun like 9mm or .40 that will be taken to a range and shot for the better part at 21 feet (paper targets) then I would consider a good progressive flavor like the Lee for working in a budget. My old Lee progressive sees little use anymore for my applications.

Ron

HexHead
June 25, 2013, 08:01 AM
I loaded 1100 rounds of .45 on a Rock Crusher as my introduction to reloading. I immediately recognized I needed a Dillon. That said, I'm now thinking about getting an RCBS to supplement my Dillon for various single stage tasks, or not wanting to spend the money for conversions kits to occasionally load 100 .30-30, .303 or .380s.

Since you said you'd love to get a Dillon, but they're out of reach price wise, you might want to consider the BL550. It's a stripped down 550B without the powder & primer systems, and sells for about $250. You can add those components later and end up with the press you'll eventually want anyway. Btw, Sheel's has the 550B is stock with free shipping for $389 (without a caliber conversion kit) as of yesterday.

Lee stuff is popular because it's cheap. I can't think of anything they offer that would be my first choice if price wasn't an issue.

david bachelder
June 25, 2013, 08:16 AM
The RockChucker is about as solid a press as can be had. If you buy it you most likely will keep it a lifetime and pass it on to your kids, grandkids. I bought one a while back and I never intend on getting rid of it.

I have a new Hornady LNL AP I use for the most part. The RockChucker performs many jobs that require a single stage press, like sizing bullets and all of my rifle reloads. I could reload rifle on the LNL, its just that I choose not to.

Buy the RockChucker, when you decide to move to a progressive I'd be willing to bet you wont give it up.

Potatohead
June 25, 2013, 09:06 AM
Thanks very much folks! It sounds like the theme here is i cant go wrong with a Chucker, but i will most likely want to go faster pretty soon. The only curveball here is the Lee turret. It sounds tempting but i just see so many "mods" you have to make to get them going, or maybe thats just the 1000? Like BDS' thread about solutions to your Lee problems, when i read it, it sounded like it just as well couldve been called "how to make your sucky press work". No offense to the Lee guys-i probably shouldnt of wrote that! I can probably "afford" the Dillon technically, but where does that much money fall on the priority list with a 2yr old , a 4 yr old, and a 12yr old you know..? Thx for your posts, its allowed me to form a plan of action: Plan A) scour the area pawn shops/yard sales and see whats around (good idea GS), this may make my choice easy if i see a deal out there. Plan B) Back to the drawing board, decide between the Lee turret and the Chucker,Thanks guys

Grmart
June 25, 2013, 09:07 AM
I've had a Rock Chucker for years and still use it all the time even though I have a Dillon 650. :D You can't go wrong with one!

Cheers,

George

Potatohead
June 25, 2013, 09:15 AM
thx georgey porgey

Katitmail
June 25, 2013, 09:23 AM
Classic Turret is NOT Lee progressive, this is what people have problems with. There is very little to "play with", it works pretty much out of the box. I like it for simplicity.

People who says RCBS is top notch correct. But really, what can be not top notch about 3-part single press? It's just bunch of metal. As long as it doesn't rust and looks good.

Same people who say you want to learn on SS don't realize that LCT IS single stage if you take rod off (takes about 10 seconds). This is exactly how I set it up and adjust. I loaded first 10-20 rounds SS and it was enough for me to be ready for turret operation.

Now, issues I had in 1000+ rounds I did so far:

1. Primer arm "catches" after 100 rounds from build-up. I cleaned it but cleaning every 20 minutes was tiring and I installed "zip tie mod"

2. Parts rust easily. See picture

3. Scale in a kit looks junk. I bought RCBS 5-0-5 but now I think I should have spent more on electronic scale. Saves lot of time.

4. Small primer dispenser had some plastic shavings from mold. 1 minute with razor knife fixed it.

You see how my current setup looks. I keep ready cartridge bin behind press. On left I keep bullets and brass. I installed mirror to check powder. And smll ziptie to activate primer arm.

Beentown
June 25, 2013, 09:36 AM
Thanks very much folks! It sounds like the theme here is i cant go wrong with a Chucker, but i will most likely want to go faster pretty soon. The only curveball here is the Lee turret. It sounds tempting but i just see so many "mods" you have to make to get them going, or maybe thats just the 1000? Like BDS' thread about solutions to your Lee problems, when i read it, it sounded like it just as well couldve been called "how to make your sucky press work". No offense to the Lee guys-i probably shouldnt of wrote that! I can probably "afford" the Dillon technically, but where does that much money fall on the priority list with a 2yr old , a 4 yr old, and a 12yr old you know..? Thx for your posts, its allowed me to form a plan of action: Plan A) scour the area pawn shops/yard sales and see whats around (good idea GS), this may make my choice easy if i see a deal out there. Plan B) Back to the drawing board, decide between the Lee turret and the Chucker,Thanks guys

The LCT doesn't need mods. I have seen issues with the 1000 but not the LCT.

I recommend the LCT because of versatility. I have turrets set up for case prep, 9mm, 380, 223 and 308.

The case prep turret has a Lee universal decapping die and a RCBS pocket swaging die. This makes case prep much faster and easier than the single stage I was using for case prep before tumbling.

If you wanna go slow and don't mind spending twice when you want to speed up, the Chucker is a fine piece of equipment. You never wanna speed up, only you know your personality.

Sweet Agony
June 25, 2013, 09:52 AM
For a new reloader, and I am one as well, a single stage press is the best to learn the process on. I have a RCBS RC and I am very happy with it. Yes it is slow and yes you do handle the brass multiple times but that is much safer and far less error prone. Almost all the SS style presses are solid beefy machines that can handle both rifle and pistol rounds. Of course the challenge will be the dies, they are just now coming back on the market and very, very slowly at best.

Rule3
June 25, 2013, 10:24 AM
1. Primer arm "catches" after 100 rounds from build-up. I cleaned it but cleaning every 20 minutes was tiring and I installed "zip tie mod"

And smll ziptie to activate primer arm.

What is this ZIP TIE Mod you speak of??

I have been using the LCT press for years and never modified anything?? If the primer arm sticks you have a burr, it is dirty (turret) or the cup is bent.

For the OP this is the best review I have found and posted it many times for those who consider the LCT.

From what you have said and for the price of all the extra add on's I suggest the LCT kit, toss the scale (I did) and buy a better one and 4 manuals Lyman, Speer Hornady and the ABC's of reloading. You will still be about the same money.

http://www.realguns.com/archives/122.htm

Katitmail
June 25, 2013, 10:49 AM
What is this ZIP TIE Mod you speak of??

Mod is a very fancy word for piece of zip tie :) But it works. Found it here on THR

I have been using the LCT press for years and never modified anything?? If the primer arm sticks you have a burr, it is dirty (turret) or the cup is bent.
100% correct. I polished, removed all burrs and all functions great for 50-100 rounds. Than you get tiny piece of brass shaving inside primer cup, it goes slightly sideway sand bum - catches to shell-holder. All works, but you have to clean it every 20 minutes. I didn't have any issues when I was doing load development but when I started cranking out loads - this became annoying. This piece of tie just helps operate primer arm and prolongs "dirty" operation. Thats is. I can now load full primer tray without worrying about this.

Potatohead
June 25, 2013, 11:29 AM
Classic Turret is NOT Lee progressive, this is what people have problems with

thx. good info. the turret is starting to sound more enticing

Potatohead
June 25, 2013, 11:32 AM
What is this ZIP TIE Mod you speak of??

I have been using the LCT press for years and never modified anything?? If the primer arm sticks you have a burr, it is dirty (turret) or the cup is bent.

For the OP this is the best review I have found and posted it many times for those who consider the LCT.

From what you have said and for the price of all the extra add on's I suggest the LCT kit, toss the scale (I did) and buy a better one and 4 manuals Lyman, Speer Hornady and the ABC's of reloading. You will still be about the same money.

http://www.realguns.com/archives/122.htm
very valuable info. thx

Potatohead
June 25, 2013, 11:42 AM
I think im leaning to the Lee Turret now. thx for your help

Potatohead
June 25, 2013, 11:44 AM
will i be able to find dies, just out of curiosity? i notice on the Nachez site they are out of 9mm

Katitmail
June 25, 2013, 01:16 PM
I haven't seen 9mm online and I was looking last couple month. They should come up soon. I bought 45ACP and 9mm MAK pretty easy. 9mm came with Dillon and was on 6 week wait.

I suggest to get Lee 4-die carbide set. Deluxe one. You will have 4 stations and it will work good. 3-die sets have seat and crimp on one die and I don't like it. It's not hard to setup but I don't get as nice crimp with them. This is only kind of dies they make for MAKAROV so I have to live with it. But for your calibers look at their deluxe line. Should run around $40 per set.

P.S. I seen one 3-die set on a shelf at Cabelas, but it won't help you.

Rule3
June 25, 2013, 01:54 PM
These days of you want to buy ANYTHING. You need to put them on a wish list and also the notify list and buy it as soon as you see it available. Very often you will get the notify and go to the web site and it will be sold out again. Gotta be quick!

Natchez is often less then Midway but they take a lot longer to ship and tack on a $3-4 "handling" charge and try to mail a catalog which may raise your shipping (sometimes)

If you order the LEE be sure to get some extra turrets, they are always cheaper at Natchez. Get a better scale and you will be loading after you read all those manuals first.;)

Katitmail
June 25, 2013, 03:22 PM
For the price you can find anything :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-LEE-DELUXE-4-DIE-SET-FOR-9MM-LUGER-90963-/330931339261?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0d0b7ffd

They usually cost $40

Potatohead
June 25, 2013, 03:51 PM
Awesome! Thanks guys

stubbicatt
June 25, 2013, 07:33 PM
I don't know why these threads seem to nearly always veer into comparisons with Lee Precision presses. The Rock Chucker by RCBS is a known quantity, of high quality, and nobody I know who has used one has ever said to me that it was a poorly made product. OP asked about the RCBS Rock Chucker.

As far as the Lee Classic Cast Turret press, it is a good tool for what it is. I've used one for several years, and have been satisfied with it for producing blasting ammo. Bottleneck Ammo I have loaded on it has inconsistent headspace, so for precision rifle ammo, I use something else more precise like the Rock Chucker. I have broken turrets resizing 308 machinegun brass, so it is not as strong as a Rock Chucker.

But for pistol ammo or 223 ammo it seems to be ok.

RustyFN
June 25, 2013, 09:42 PM
I think im leaning to the Lee Turret now. thx for your help

The classic turret was my choice for a first press. A couple of old timers talked me out of a single stage press because I was only looking to load pistol ammo. That was the best advice I was ever given. The classic turret can be used as a single stage the same as the RC. When you want to speed things up add the auto indexing rod that comes with the press, takes 5 seconds and you will be loading three times faster than the single stage. I now load pistol and rifle on my classic turret. The classic turret is so versital I even have my lead hardness tester set up in a turret for testing my cast bullets.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9dc33b3127ccec60cb9309ac700000040O00DZOGblm4Yg9vPhI/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00108393820020090213052054617.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

Check out www.kempfgunshop.com for the best kit in my opinion. The kit will come with one set of dies and no Lee scale. You can buy a decent scale to start with.

Ken70
June 26, 2013, 01:31 AM
What is that groove on the top of a RChucker used for? It's a 1/4" wide, has a couple of holes in it. I thought something priming, but that's not it. It's the one right up front and the die is behind it.

Clark
June 26, 2013, 01:53 AM
I started out with a Rockchucker.

I don't use it any more. I have a lot of reloading gear i do not use any more.

I still use the co-ax presses on the reloading bench.
i still use the partner presses in the vehicle.
I still use a Lee Reloader press on my desk, while watching TV on my computer. Who would have thought I would build a reloading room, have a living room with a sofa, and yet wind up reloading and watching TV at my desk?

wyohome
June 26, 2013, 02:22 AM
I bought that box 'o stuff, added a caliper, case trimmer and powder trickler. Works fine for me. I only load a few at a time, not ever in a hurry, and actually enjoy the time spent. If I was a handgun shooter...well I would not be.

dodge
June 26, 2013, 11:18 AM
I have a Rockchucker for about 40 years. Never let me down. Yes it's slow loading pistol rounds but I don't have a problem because when the weather is bad I do my loading so when the weather improves I can just go shooting and not worry about running out of ammo. Now if your shooting in competition then it's not the press for you.

brickeyee
June 26, 2013, 12:42 PM
RCBS had the patent on the toggle linkage that reduces sizing handle force.

It has long since expired, so other makers can use a toggle linkage.

Rock Chuckers are built heavy enough for bullet swagging.

Certaindeaf
June 26, 2013, 01:09 PM
Never heard of it.


























That was a joke.

Clark
June 26, 2013, 03:12 PM
I never heard of it either, it was hard to find, but it exists.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=URJfAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 03:25 PM
U R silly CD

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 03:27 PM
The classic turret was my choice for a first press. A couple of old timers talked me out of a single stage press because I was only looking to load pistol ammo. That was the best advice I was ever given. The classic turret can be used as a single stage the same as the RC. When you want to speed things up add the auto indexing rod that comes with the press, takes 5 seconds and you will be loading three times faster than the single stage. I now load pistol and rifle on my classic turret. The classic turret is so versital I even have my lead hardness tester set up in a turret for testing my cast bullets.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9dc33b3127ccec60cb9309ac700000040O00DZOGblm4Yg9vPhI/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00108393820020090213052054617.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

Check out www.kempfgunshop.com for the best kit in my opinion. The kit will come with one set of dies and no Lee scale. You can buy a decent scale to start with.
thx

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 03:31 PM
I don't know why these threads seem to nearly always veer into comparisons with Lee Precision presses. The Rock Chucker by RCBS is a know quantity, of high quality, and nobody I know who has used one has ever said to me that it was a poorly made product. OP asked about the RCBS Rock Chucker.

As far as the Lee Classic Cast Turret press, it is a good tool for what it is. I've used one for several years, and have been satisfied with it for producing blasting ammo. Bottleneck Ammo I have loaded on it has inconsistent headspace, so for precision rifle ammo, I use something else more precise like the Rock Chucker. I have broken turrets resizing 308 machinegun brass, so it is not as strong as a Rock Chucker.

But for pistol ammo or 223 ammo it seems to be ok.
thx for post...i do appreciate the views on the other kits and presses though. I think theyre just trying to "help a brother out" :)

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 03:37 PM
Rusty, on kempf gun shop deal, it asks if you want to upgrade to the pro auto disk powder measure..? what about that?

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 03:40 PM
how much are you guys paying for brass? 9mm, 380, and 223? off topic warning

Beentown
June 26, 2013, 03:45 PM
9mm - $40/1000 shipped

380 - $55/1000

223 - $80/1000 shipped

Had to look for it that low right now.

jim243
June 26, 2013, 04:21 PM
The Lee classic turret will load around 200 per hour.

Not on this planet, maybe 100 per hour if you hustle. The RCBS Rock Cucker about 50 per hour. If you seriously need 800 per month you will need to go "Progressive". The problem is the cost of the equipment to do this. Seriously production quantities is not the way to learn re-loading. The saying learn to "Walk before you run" is not only true in re-loading but almost a must if you want to stay safe without blowing up your guns and getting seriously injured.

The Lee "Classic Turret Press" will allow you to do ammo as a single stage press as well as a turret press with auto-indexing, it too was my first press my second was a RCBS Rock Chucker for match grade RIFLE ammo. And after 8 years of reloading and 20,000 rounds re-loaded, I plan on getting a progressive next year with my tax refund.

Good luck on your choice.
Jim

There is a lot more to re-loading than just the press, so read up all you can before you make your purchase.

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/bigjim_02/SAM_0813_zps5a29ad45.jpg (http://s620.photobucket.com/user/bigjim_02/media/SAM_0813_zps5a29ad45.jpg.html)

Katitmail
June 26, 2013, 04:37 PM
Not on this planet, maybe 100 per hour if you hustle
That's not true. 200 is very real number. If you have everything ready - bullets, primers and cases - to load 100 you have to spend 36 seconds with each round. That does not make sense and very slow.

At 35 seconds he started - 53 ended 1 round. This is 18 seconds per round. And he did it in relaxed pace on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB6OS0LoRPE

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 04:39 PM
Awesome! Nice cave....

Beentown,
Im asking about prices because it seems, and maybe this is just because of this nutty market, that its not that much cheaper than factory...???

Katitmail
June 26, 2013, 04:43 PM
See my price breakdown:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=8992979&postcount=9

This is real today's prices. I wasn't shopping much, overpaid for some stuff but this is what I got because I wanted to get into reloading. Difference paid for LCT :)

Now I'm carefully waiting for deals. I have enough supplies to shoot for 2-3 month..

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 04:50 PM
thx dude. interesting. brass adds a lot though ya know..? seems like its going to be almost the same as factory when i begin. even if, at least i can control supply somewhat...SCRATCH THE FACTORY/HANDLOAD PRICE COMPARISON QUESTION. Good thread going on about it now by Luisespinal

RustyFN
June 26, 2013, 06:49 PM
Rusty, on kempf gun shop deal, it asks if you want to upgrade to the pro auto disk powder measure..? what about that?

Yes you want to do the pro auto disk upgrade. It is a much better powder measure and doesn't cost much more.

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 07:59 PM
thx

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