Anyone ever use Hi Skor 800x in handgun cartidges?


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Schwing
June 25, 2013, 06:16 PM
I just had someone give me a lot of hi skor 800x. I don't reload shotgun stuff anymore and was wondering if anyone had actually used this in any hand gun cartridges. I reload .380, 9mm, .38, .357, and .45acp.

I have heard that it doesn't meter well and is harder to use in smaller cartridges but I really want to hear from people who have actually used it and have good or bad to say about it. Any tips would be appreciated as well.

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KansasSasquatch
June 25, 2013, 06:23 PM
It's worked okay for me in .45acp when I weigh each charge out but since I load all of my handgun calibers on a progressive I don't like using it due to it's poor metering. With Unique my Hornady powder measure always stays within .2gr (which I find acceptable with Unique) of my target weight but 800X is more like .5gr (which I don't find acceptable). Long stick powders measure better for me than 800X, even if the stick powders get cut a bit in the process.

JimKirk
June 25, 2013, 06:40 PM
Yes 800X ... in 357 SIG and 44 mag...

Metering is not the best ... I threw each charge low and trickled up ...

Accuracy is very good in both as well as velocity...

Jesse Heywood
June 25, 2013, 07:18 PM
I haven't tried 800-X in 9mm or 380. Probably won't try 380 due to metering.
My best load for 357 mag is 7.5 gr behind 158 SWC, magnum primers.
Best for 38 spl 5.4 gr behind 158 SWC, magnum primers.
My favorite load is in 45 Colt, 9.0 gr behind 255 SWC, magnum primer. This is my carry load at home.

My experience shows 800-X as having heavy recoil in the higher loads, just past unpleasant. Best with magnum primers, I had large flakes of residue with standard. As for metering it is difficult, but possible. Best after thorough cleaning of the meter, using a solvent to clean the cylinder.

I bought the powder for handgun loads during the previous shortage. I hadn't read about how hard it was to meter, probably good that I didn't. I haven't regretted the purchase.

ReloaderFred
June 25, 2013, 08:05 PM
It meters like cornflakes, but will give the highest velocities in 10mm and a few other calibers with heavy bullets.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Peter M. Eick
June 25, 2013, 08:32 PM
Works great in a Uniflow for 10mm. I use it as my standard "full power" 10mm powder. I find that my press operation (Pro2000) shakes the uniflow in a way that is very reliable. +/- 0.1 grn routinely. Just keep the powder reservoir full and use a baffle.

Great stuff. It was like it was made for 10mm.

gamestalker
June 25, 2013, 08:40 PM
I used it many years ago for 9mm and really liked how clean it burned. But now days I pretty much go with either HS6 or Longshot. Back then if I recall, HI Skor 800X was a bit more expensive than some other powders, which had some bearing as to why I stopped using it. I don't ever recall any problems in how it performed, and since I don't use volumetric measuring devices other than for shotgun, I wouldn't know about that aspect.

GS

Clark
June 26, 2013, 01:59 AM
Per my experiments:

The most power possible with 40sw and 10mm with 200 grain bullets will be with compressed 800X.

The most power with 32 S&W Long with 85 gr is a tie between LIL'GUN and 800X.

800X is almost impossible to meter, and I have to weigh each charge.

800X muzzle blast send out burning corn flakes that will burn right through the paint on the hood of your Rolls Royce... or Yugo.

MAG-63
June 26, 2013, 06:52 AM
I used it for working up some loads for a .357 Desert Eagle, and had great results with it. Like others have said, because of the poor metering, you will need to throw the charge a little low and then trickle up to the desired weight.

Jesse Heywood
June 26, 2013, 10:11 AM
Works great in a Uniflow

That appears to be the secret to metering 800-X. I use a Uniflow with good results.
Mine has the Quick Change rotor, which is a little harder to set.

Osageid
June 26, 2013, 01:39 PM
As above I have used in 10 mm but metering is the drawback but I will say this , when I was careful and smooth on my dillon would measure accurate but the velocities were so consistent! All around pleased with it.


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Dave P
June 26, 2013, 02:04 PM
Yes 800X ... in 357 SIG and 10mm . Hot stuff!

Dr.Zubrato
June 26, 2013, 11:09 PM
Could someone provide more information for HiSkor 800x in 38 special or 9mm?
I will be using 125 plated flat point berry's bullets, and I'm having trouble locating any new data for 800x, much less anything for plated bullets.
I found the max load for 38 spl : 125 Rem SJHP is 6.9gr using imr 800x. the manual says to reduce to 10% then work up, but I'd like to know if anyone could point me to another source, or more info.
I have Alliant Blue dot, and IMR 800X.

I know guys, bullseye & unique, but times are really tight reloading wise and beggars cant be choosers. I picked up a hornady reloading book at cabelas and definitely saw 125 gr jacketed will work with 800x, but I'd feel more comfortable if you guys could maybe give me the gift of your experience, before I have to learn on my own mistakes. I'm not looking to hot loads, I just want to cycle the gun reliably at this point (glock 19) and have some fun at the range.

Thank you

Schwing
June 26, 2013, 11:20 PM
Could someone provide more information for HiSkor 800x in 38 special or 9mm?
I will be using 125 plated flat point berry's bullets, and I'm having trouble locating any new data for 800x, much less anything for plated bullets.
I found the max load for 38 spl : 125 Rem SJHP is 6.9gr using imr 800x. the manual says to reduce to 10% then work up, but I'd like to know if anyone could point me to another source, or more info.
I have Alliant Blue dot, and IMR 800X.

I know guys, bullseye & unique, but times are really tight reloading wise and beggars cant be choosers. I picked up a hornady reloading book at cabelas and definitely saw 125 gr jacketed will work with 800x, but I'd feel more comfortable if you guys could maybe give me the gift of your experience, before I have to learn on my own mistakes. I'm not looking to hot loads, I just want to cycle the gun reliably at this point (glock 19) and have some fun at the range.

Thank you
I actually found a loading chart from IMR earlier today. You might be able to use this.

evan price
June 27, 2013, 07:03 AM
Ive used it in 40s&w where it was best performing of all I tried. I have loads for.32 s&w and long and its what I use to reload 25 auto. Meters awful in a progressive measure.

Peter M. Eick
June 27, 2013, 08:41 PM
I have to disagree about the blanket statement of progressive presses.

My Pro2000 and a good well worn in uniflow will drop routinely +/- 0.1 grn 800x charges with 10mm. Other Uniflow users (see above) seem to agree.

My opinion on 800x is it is very dependent on the hardware you use it with and the personal techniques applied. I just happen to have a good combination that works well. 800x is my go to powder for 10mm right now.

another pake
June 27, 2013, 10:01 PM
In Pet Loads Complete Volume from Handloader, Ken Waters stated that, as far as the 45 ACP was concerned, "You want it boiled down to a single powder? OK, I'll go you one better and choose a single powder and load: 7 grains Hi-Skor 800-X."

Of course that was 1990. He was using a Colt Double Eagle. He claims 7 grains to be near max load with 230 grain bullets btw. But otherwise a very, very accurate load. YMMV

I hadn't tried it before, but with the shortage of some powders around here, I did find some 800-X and intend to give it a try.

243winxb
June 27, 2013, 10:55 PM
Used in the 45acp with 200gr cast. It will bridge in my measures. Watch for a light charge then the other 1 1/2 charge in the next drop.

Schwing
June 28, 2013, 12:28 AM
These are exactly the responses I was hoping for so thank you guys! I am really encouraged that some of you have used it with .357 too. I probably shoot more .357 than anything else.
I will end up with around 8 pounds of it and was kind of wishing I still reloaded shotgun. It sounds like I might have some luck with this after all. I have a lee pro 1000 (queue laughter), but actually have very few problems with it. I think the closest thing to the hi skor that I have used in my lee disk powder measure is probably unique. I have had absolutely no problems with unique metering and I get very consistent drops.

Could anyone speculate on how well it will do with the hi skor? I don't currently have a baffle but am planning on building one or maybe even 2 and staggering them in the hopper.

BBQJOE
June 28, 2013, 11:03 AM
I don't know about 800x, but will tell you a trick someone here told me.
It sounds like 800x meters as poorly as the 700x.
If you purchase some powdered graphite and mix it with your powder it will meter much better, and doesn't affect burn rate or velocity.
Using this technique, I was able to get 700x to meter +-.2 gr.

Jesse Heywood
June 28, 2013, 05:01 PM
It sounds like 800x meters as poorly as the 700x.

Some say that 700X meters like cornflakes. If so, 800X meters like dried buffalo chips.

243winxb
June 28, 2013, 05:04 PM
Could anyone speculate on how well it will do with the hi skor? Weight variation is about the same for all 3 powders, about 2/10th gr. Just watch for bridging with the 800X. This may not be a problem for your measure?? http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/FirearmsReloading102/aPowder1.jpg

TenDriver
June 28, 2013, 05:46 PM
I can't speak for 800-X, but 700-X meters beautifully in my Lee powder measure. I was pleasantly surprised after reading about it here.

45lcshooter
June 28, 2013, 06:55 PM
Im going to start using 800x in my 32acp. 4lbs ought to last a life-time. hahaha.

Clark
June 28, 2013, 07:35 PM
The threshold of sticky cases in 32 S&W long with 800X is exactly half the charge of the threshold with LIL'GUN.

And the velocity is about the same:what:

PsychoKnight
June 29, 2013, 01:07 AM
Im going to start using 800x in my 32acp. 4lbs ought to last a life-time. hahaha.
No I don't think you can do that.

The flakes won't fit through the case mouth, silly!



But seriously, when I shot a 10-1/2" barreled Super Blackhawk, 800x was the best; highest velocity, tightest long-range groups, and clean burn. With magnum revolver rounds, its worth your time to drop and trickle, even with a pro100, just use a funnel and powder drop die. But if it meters well in a lee measure for you - just go at it.

Clark
June 29, 2013, 01:48 PM
Dr.Zubrato
Could someone provide more information for HiSkor 800x in 38 special or 9mm?
I will be using 125 plated flat point berry's bullets, and I'm having trouble locating any new data for 800x, much less anything for plated bullets.
I found the max load for 38 spl : 125 Rem SJHP is 6.9gr using imr 800x. the manual says to reduce to 10% then work up, but I'd like to know if anyone could point me to another source, or more info.

CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

Back in 2002 when I started reloading I tried to overload every 9mm bullet and powder to see what would happen.

I could not get much 800X to fit, but I shot them anyway.
124 gr 7.7 gr [max book load is 5 gr]
147 gr 6.6 gr [max book load is 4 gr]

While not as wimpy as the book loads, I did not feel like I got anywhere with those experiments in 2002.

But this year in 2013 shooting 380 115 gr with 6 gr 800X with only a .979" OAL, I did get some noticeable power. The max book load for 380 90 gr is 4.1 gr, so this one was way over. And that was in an LCP, the lowest of 3 levels of 380 I load for. That pistol has .270" of feed ramp intrusion and will case bulge with minimum overloads.

Rodfac
June 30, 2013, 09:30 AM
Yep but it's a royal PITA to get consistent charges using any measure. Rod

orionengnr
June 30, 2013, 10:40 AM
I bought a pound of 800X specifically to try with 10mm. After seeing how many respondents noted 10mm in their posts, I think I made the right choice. :)

Wow, eight pounds? That should last you a while. One option is to trade 1# at a time to people with other powders, otherwise you'll be shooting 800X till the cows come home. Which might not be a bad thing, if your powder dropper will meter it well.

Reminds me of the time I was talking to a guy about a bunch of powder he had gotten from an estate sale. After some research, I made him and offer and walked out with a big box full of powder for about $100. There was an 8# keg, a 4# keg and two-three one-pound cans of Green Dot, one pound each of Unique, HS6, Red Dot, W760, and a couple others I can't recall right now. I started loading Green Dot in the rounds I load most for (.45acp, some .45LC). The 4#er and the 1#ers are gone; just about to start on the 8#.

Hey 243winxb--great photo (post 22). Another example of a picture being worth a thousand words...

Elkins45
June 30, 2013, 11:05 PM
I'm afraid of it in the Lee auto disk. I've had it bridge before.

What I haven't tried yet is using a dipper to measure charges, but it's on my list of things to try. I would think dipped charges wouldn't have the problems that thrown ones do.

Schwing
July 1, 2013, 10:48 PM
So... I got the powder today and it does NOT meter well in my lee powder measure. I haven't had any bridged loads but I am already resigned to doing what many of you have mentioned which is to drop a light load and trickle up. I started with a .357 158 grain LRN bullets with a BHN of about 18. I am going to do my first test at 8.1 grains and go from there... It sure slows down the reloading process having to meter it this way.

Jesse Heywood
July 2, 2013, 12:14 AM
So far my best results for 158 gr LSWC was 7.5 gr. But I have more loads ready for testing. I'm showing a max of 8.9 gr.

Schwing
July 3, 2013, 01:14 AM
I was able to finally test some of my loads out and am VERY happy with the results. 8.1 grains behind my 158 grain lrn bullets is pretty stout but not uncomfortable and they are dead accurate. I can see why people like the powder even though it is such a challenge to work with.

I think weighing each charge is going to have to do for now. I have been recording the weight of every charge I have done and, so far, they don't vary more than +- .4 grains (the majority vary less than 1 grain). I am going to test out some 7.1 grain loads and, if they are even close to acceptable, I might just consider using my disk that throws 7.5 and accept that they are going to be between 7.1 and 7.9. I don't seem to have the issue with loads bridging.

Having said all of the above, I am going to weigh every charge until I have done a few hundred to make sure I'm not going to go boom.

Peter M. Eick
July 5, 2013, 03:13 PM
You have learned the zen of 800x. Now you have to figure out how YOU can load it from YOUR measure consistently.

I avoided 800x for years because all I heard was "you can't meter it", "it always bridges", "trickle and weigh every charge".....

I bought some and started loading it with my uniflow and weighed very charge. I played with my techniques until +/- 0.1 grn routinely. Now it is my go to powder for 10mm and I don't even stock AA7 anymore.

Just sit down at the press, ignore conventional wisdom and work on it until you figure out something that works for you. That is how I did it. My well worn uniflow helps though.

40-82
July 5, 2013, 04:03 PM
See if you can find a copy of Ken Waters book "Pet Loads." 800X is often listed as his preferred accuracy load in several pistol cartridges. 800X's poor metering characteristics bother me, but it doesn't seem to affect accuracy nearly as I would have expected.

Schwing
July 6, 2013, 01:13 AM
So far my best results for 158 gr LSWC was 7.5 gr. But I have more loads ready for testing. I'm showing a max of 8.9 gr.
LOL! I should have just jumped on the 7.5 grain load. I tried the gambit and came to the same conclusion. Having said that, I loaded a couple of hundred ranging between 7.1 and 8.1 and found virtually NO difference in accuracy out to about 100 yards. I shot some test rounds through my gp100 at about 12 yards and the 100 yard rounds with my rossi. I am going to go with my last post which is to use my lee disk that is supposed to drop 7.5 and just accept that some will be as low as 7.1 and some will be as high as 7.9.

Schwing
July 6, 2013, 01:17 AM
You have learned the zen of 800x. Now you have to figure out how YOU can load it from YOUR measure consistently.

I avoided 800x for years because all I heard was "you can't meter it", "it always bridges", "trickle and weigh every charge".....

I bought some and started loading it with my uniflow and weighed very charge. I played with my techniques until +/- 0.1 grn routinely. Now it is my go to powder for 10mm and I don't even stock AA7 anymore.

Just sit down at the press, ignore conventional wisdom and work on it until you figure out something that works for you. That is how I did it. My well worn uniflow helps though.
I am already absolutely sold on the 800x, at least for my .357s. I am happy enough with the loads I am getting that I would probably do it even if I had to hand measure every charge. It burns clean, I have no leading at all and they are accurate well beyond my skill level of accuracy. As I said earlier, I think the lee disk that drops 7.5 will do. Now to move on to .45 and see what they do there.

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