Current Cost of Hand Loading (Circa 2013/06)


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luisespinal
June 26, 2013, 02:48 PM
Hello all - I was wondering what's the collection of opinions regarding the current cost of hand loading. I'm sure it's been discussed in the past, but I wanted to query your current opinions (and suggestions maybe?)

I bought a hand loading book and read it from A to Z, and I was already set on buying some equipment for reloading 0 mostly 38 SP for starters, with an eye to reload 45ACP and 45-70 (once I finally get a 45-70.)

My main goal was to reload for the 38 SP to shoot and practice. But then I'm looking at the current prices of components (current as of the time of this post.) The average small pistol primer goes from as low as $0.03 (if I'm lucky to find a good deal on gunbroker), to $0.15. I've done the math looking at different options on gunbroker and midwayusa, and the typical price is $0.09 regardless of buying 1K or 5K.

Then, there is the brass, on average $0.10 a piece. I can reuse it like, what, 4-5 times. So, it would come up to be $0.02 a piece. Then there is the bullet, which I find it to be an average of $0.10 a piece as well.


Assuming the cost of powder is negligible, then primer plus (amortized cost of) brass plus bullet, it comes around $0.21 a piece. That is probably 48% the price of 38 special rounds that I could get in bulk (about $0.48 a round, maybe cheaper if I'm lucky.)


Maybe I was wrong, but I was thinking the savings per round would have been more substantial. I don't shoot often (once every other month) with no much free time to spare (2 kids). Due to those constrains and lack of space, bullet casting is most likely out of the question for now.

So I was hoping, perhaps unrealistically, to have more substantial savings to justify the initial investment in hand loading equipment (plus the time to hand load.)

I might still reload for the larger calibers when I'm ready for it, but I don't think I might do it for the pistol calibers for the reasons above (and might simply pay the $0.2x extra per manufactured round.)


Am I way off in my calculations (with regards to hand loading the 38 sp)?

Has it been like this before, or has it gotten more expensive since the Obamapocalypse Gun Chupacabra Scare? BTW, I'm noticing that it is getting harder and harder to get hand loading equipment and parts (most are back ordered on midwayusa for instance.)

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45_auto
June 26, 2013, 03:17 PM
You're pretty close. Figure $.03 for primers ($30/1000), $.02 for powder ($20/pound, 1000 rounds @ 7 grains each per pound), and $.07 for bullets if you shoot cast ($70/1000). 38 brass is all over the place dirt cheap and you'll never wear it out, I wouldn't even count it as part of the cost.

So you're at about $.12 per round, about 1/4 the cost of factory. If you don't shoot much, it isn't worth it.

You'll see much more substantial savings on higher priced rounds, especially rifle ammo.

It's always been about the same price ratio. Reloading the cheaper common cartridges (especially target loads) like 9mm, 38 Special, .223, etc, doesn't save you near as much as reloading higher priced ammo.

Arkansas Paul
June 26, 2013, 03:18 PM
My main goal was to reload for the 38 SP to shoot and practice.
Then, there is the brass, on average $0.10 a piece. I can reuse it like, what, 4-5 times.

Loading brass 4-5 times isn't even scratching the surface for standard pressure .38 Spcl brass. There was a story in an old issue of G&A magazine where the writer wanted to see how many times he could load a .38 case before failure. He loaded and fired the same case until the neck split. It withstood 157 loadings.
I'm not saying they'll all do that, but I would be highly surprised if I got less than 50-60 loadings from .38 brass. I'm averaging 8-10 on .30-06 brass and it takes a lot more abuse than straight walled pistol stuff does. I don't even count the cost of brass in my handgun loads. It would be far less than 0.01 per round.
I cast my own bullets, and I'm loading .38 Spcl for about $60/1k.

Here is a quick breakdown
Powder W231 - $25.00/1lb - 1,555 rounds per pound - $0.016 per round
Primers - $40.00/1k - $0.04 per round
Bullets - 158 grain SWC from Missouri Bullets - $35.00/500 - $0.07 per round

That's $0.126 per round or $12.60/100
And that's buying primers by the 1k and powder by the pound. You'll save more money if you can afford to buy in bulk.

As I said your brass will be less than a half a cent per round. I wouldn't bother counting it.

oneounceload
June 26, 2013, 03:35 PM
Want to save money even more? By your powder in 8# jugs, NOT 1# containers - the price per pound drops dramatically

Springfield0612
June 26, 2013, 03:37 PM
+1 on not counting the brass. If you didn't reload it, you just leave it in the range buckets right? So after the first firing it's free!
I started casting my own bullets, and thought to myself, I'm paying for lead and shooting it into a hill side why can't I reuse it? Well I don't want to spend the time digging and sifting, so I made bullet catchers out of propane tanks and shredded rubber. Now after the first firing of the lead, it's free, after the second firing of the lead I figure I paid off the molds, the third time fired now I'm back in the black and shooting free bullets! I'm reloading for .45 ACP, .45 LC, 9mm, .38 S&W, .300 savage, .32 ACP, and .380 ACP for the cost of powder and primers. What's that? $.05/round $5/100 for .45 acp? I'll take it.

silicosys4
June 26, 2013, 03:39 PM
You are way off in your costs.
For me, .38 spcl reloads are roughly $0.06 each.

Brass is approximately $70/1k for once fired brass that lasts up to 20 reloads, depending on how rough on your brass you are. Thats $0.07 each. divide that by an average of 10 loads over the lifespan of the brass, and you get $0.007 each.
Powder shouldn't be over $20/lb if you buy it by the jug and not by the lb. I paid roughly $18/lb on the last jug of Unique powder I bought. Charge weight on my wadcutters is 3.2 grains, so you get a lot of loads per lb with wadcutters.
I cast my own bullets so pay about $20/1k bullets.

All in all, about $63/1k. Compare that to what a case of factory ammo would cost.

9mm and .40 are about as cheap. For $75/1k for my reloads vs. $325 for 1k (cheapest factory 9mm ammo available right now that I could find)......
Its still worth it to me to reload 9mm.
Another reason....
Shortage? What shortage? (as I load up another 1k 9mm rounds for $75.)

silicosys4
June 26, 2013, 03:54 PM
Reloading the cheaper common cartridges (especially target loads) like 9mm, 38 Special, .223, etc, doesn't save you near as much as reloading higher priced ammo.

Actually, I've found the opposite is true.
If I pay $75/ 1k to reload 9mm ammo that (pre panic, even) is $250/1k, I'm paying 30% of factory ammo cost to reload.
Rifle rounds are more expensive for me because quality factory bullets are MUUUCH more expensive for rifle rounds than the home cast handgun bullets I load with, and more expensive than even commercial cast or plated bullets.
Once everything is said and done, I'm paying about $1 each to reload premium rifle ammo who's equivalent can be purchased for approximately $2 round from the factory. Once you factor in the savings on brass by loading multiple times, say 5x per brass, my cost to reload rifle ammo is still $0.75 each, or 37% of factory ammo costs.

By the numbers, reloading for those common calibers is actually more cost effective than reloading for rifle rounds, unless you shoot something really expensive like weatherby factory ammo, or exotic.
The real savings are found when you reload something like .357 magnum or .44 magnum, rounds that are expensive in their factory offerings in any flavor.

Arkansas Paul
June 26, 2013, 04:01 PM
^ Similar results here. I'm at about 50% on rifle rounds. A little better with some, but that's about what I average.

Katitmail
June 26, 2013, 04:17 PM
Primers $45/1k (first I bought), now it's $37/1k in LGS
Powder - $22/lb (first I bought)
Bullets - $167/1k from cabellas - plated

Brass I don't count - you should have it by the time you want to reload (I collected all factory brass)

Cost me $234 for 1k of 45ACP ammo.
Not very good but I didn't get great deals on components either. Still, I saved almost $200 which paid for LCT press kit.

I plan to buy 8# powder, 10k+ of Tula primers and group-by lead bullets next time I get a chance.

I hope to get closer to 10-12c per round

Cosmoline
June 26, 2013, 04:19 PM
Reloading causes me to buy far more ;-) But it also allows me to work around ammo shortages, which in these parts is essential. Without reloading I'd be up the creek for half of what I shoot.

luisespinal
June 26, 2013, 05:36 PM
Thank you all for your input. One interesting thing I noticed is that you guys are seeing much cheaper price tags for primers, so your advice would be appreciated. When I go check on gunbroker (as of today, for example) a 1k brick of small pistol primers go between 50 to 80 (not counting S&H), which is why I keep coming up with a number of $0.09 or more per primer.

So that tells me that I need to do better research on where to buy primers :)

It seems that at the end of the day, to do my own bullet casting is the way to go to really see some substantial savings.

luisespinal
June 26, 2013, 05:47 PM
Actually, digging deeper, I see that if I buy larger primer bricks (5K) off gunbroker (or if I select Tula primers), then the cost begins to approach the costs you guys experience.

cfullgraf
June 26, 2013, 05:50 PM
Lots of good information posted so far. As far as reloading costs, I cannot add much.

But, I enjoy reloading and have been at it for 30 years or so. I am to the point where I do not really care what my reloads cost, I know the cost less than factory and shoot better as well.

Reloading is not for everyone and that is fine. Give it a whirl, you might find a new rewarding hobby to augment your enjoyment of shooting.

On the other hand, some see reloading as drudgery.

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 05:57 PM
Great thread topic from my perspective. Been wondering about this myself. Thanks very much poster and postees:)

Reefinmike
June 26, 2013, 07:33 PM
Ill ramble on because I like to hear myself talk

38 brass? that stuff litters the public range, I stopped picking them up at the 5,000 mark. I think I have split one piece of 38 brass in the past 16 months. An old corroded nickel plated(much more brittle) 38 case. so brass- $0.00

Powder? I use HP38 and get it from a local place that is always stocked for $17/lb after tax. Light 3.4gr charges get me a hair over 2,000 loads per pound so powder- $0.0085/charge

Primers? Keep an eye out, find a good hole in the wall store(mine has any flavor for $34/k give or take). Keep an eye out in bds' component watch thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=707473&page=44 . Between people on here posting availability, powdervalleyinc's facebook etc etc, I probably have the opportunity to buy primers once a week @ $30/k but decline to do so as I can hold out a few more months and prefer my tula primers for $20/k from powdervalley. Last time I ordered tula primers, they were $20.50/k, I bought 20k. Shipping and hazmat was a bit under $50. All said, it worked out to $23/k so primers- $0.023ea

Bullets- as others have pointed out, you can buy lead cast boolits for about $70/thousand. I cast my own with free lead wheel weights. I have a total of about 2.5 hours wrapped per thousand bullets from scrap lead to shiny lubed bullets. so bullets- $0.00

So you see, if you really try, you can make em for less than you could buy pre panic bulk 22lr. Im doin em for 3.15 cents per round or $1.58/box. I can make 10 boxes of 38 for less than the price of factory and probably spend less time than it takes to track down ammo nowadays. realistically, you are probably going to get primers at $40, powder for $20 and bullets for $80/k after shipping and roll em up for $6.50 per box. not bad, ive seen fools pay more than that for a box of 22.

Potatohead
June 26, 2013, 07:51 PM
Loading brass 4-5 times isn't even scratching the surface for standard pressure .38 Spcl brass. There was a story in an old issue of G&A magazine where the writer wanted to see how many times he could load a .38 case before failure. He loaded and fired the same case until the neck split. It withstood 157 loadings.


Does the same thing go for 9mm, 40s and 45s?


Sorry, i see this was answered later in thread

Reefinmike
June 26, 2013, 08:00 PM
9mm and 40 and higher pressure rounds so they wont last quite as long. 38 and 45 will last ya forever

Katitmail
June 26, 2013, 08:20 PM
Couple things about brass. It seems that if you have access to it - you have ton's of it. But if you don't - you don't. Before I was shooting at static range - I was picking up my brass and on concrete floor I think I saved 95%+ of it.

Now I shoot matches at local club - brass get's mixed up. I pick more than I shoot (many people shoot factory rounds) but there is no way to know how many times it is fired. Straight-walled cases seems to live forever, so I just sort by caliber. Everybody shoot 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP. If you came in with different caliber - oh well.. You will lose your brass.

You can buy cleaned once-fired brass for around $40/1000 for pistols. If you buy new brass - well, I'm not sure where economics go in this case :) I'm considering buying once-fired processed brass in future if I get tired of cleaning/prepping.

I really need MAKAROV brass since it's not just laying around and I lose mine. So, it seems like it makes sense to buy factory ammo with brass cases so I can reload it. If I buy new Starline cases - cost per round will be about the same.

david bachelder
June 26, 2013, 08:34 PM
Kind of like adding up what a pound of deer meat cost you, or fish for that matter.

I don't buy commercial ammo, I don't know or care what it costs. I do know that the last few times I was at Walmart there was no 38 special to be had. I reload and cast my own bullets so my cost is a bit lower, however my equipment costs are higher. Any way you look at it, it's a good trade.


Put the pencil away and do a little reloading .... it's good for the soul.

45_auto
June 26, 2013, 09:45 PM
Actually, I've found the opposite is true.

I'm paying about $1 each to reload premium rifle ammo who's equivalent can be purchased for approximately $2 round from the factory.

Your call. You're saving $1 per round reloading rifle ammo and about 18 cents per round reloading pistol ammo, and you think you're saving more on the pistol ammo?

Shoot a case of 9mm handloads that saves you $175 (70%, $75 reloads vs $250 factory case), then shoot a case of rifle handloads that saves you $1,000 (50%, $1000 reloads vs $2000 factory case). See which one leaves more money in your wallet.

Seems to me that I saved MUCH more on the rifle ammo per round, but hey, do whatever makes you happy! ;)

Arkansas Paul
June 26, 2013, 09:48 PM
Thank you all for your input. One interesting thing I noticed is that you guys are seeing much cheaper price tags for primers, so your advice would be appreciated. When I go check on gunbroker (as of today, for example) a 1k brick of small pistol primers go between 50 to 80 (not counting S&H), which is why I keep coming up with a number of $0.09 or more per primer.

I do consider myself fortunate because I can find primers locally for $39.99/1k. They're not always in stock, but I can find them.
Just be patient. Hell will freeze over before I pay $80/1k for them.

luis.espinal
June 26, 2013, 10:15 PM
Put the pencil away and do a little reloading .... it's good for the soul.

Hahaha, indeed it appears I should trade my pen for a sword, eh? :)

Reefinmike
June 26, 2013, 10:36 PM
Couple things about brass. It seems that if you have access to it - you have ton's of it. But if you don't - you don't. Before I was shooting at static range - I was picking up my brass and on concrete floor I think I saved 95%+ of it.

Now I shoot matches at local club - brass get's mixed up. I pick more than I shoot (many people shoot factory rounds) but there is no way to know how many times it is fired. Straight-walled cases seems to live forever, so I just sort by caliber. Everybody shoot 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP. If you came in with different caliber - oh well.. You will lose your brass.

You can buy cleaned once-fired brass for around $40/1000 for pistols. If you buy new brass - well, I'm not sure where economics go in this case :) I'm considering buying once-fired processed brass in future if I get tired of cleaning/prepping.

I really need MAKAROV brass since it's not just laying around and I lose mine. So, it seems like it makes sense to buy factory ammo with brass cases so I can reload it. If I buy new Starline cases - cost per round will be about the same.
Just trim em down to spec, load em and shoot em. First loading they will look a bit off because you are stuffing a .365? bullet in the tapered case, but after shooting them, they should fireform. There is a thread out there on doing this...

Katitmail
June 26, 2013, 11:27 PM
Just trim em down to spec, load em and shoot em. First loading they will look a bit off because you are stuffing a .365? bullet in the tapered case, but after shooting them, they should fireform. There is a thread out there on doing this...

Problem is - I don't want to do it for "other" guys. I will lose them if I shoot public match. Which means people will be picking them up. I personally would hate to find 9mm cases that shorter than normal...

If I shoot in a booth - I don't lose them

mstreddy
June 27, 2013, 01:00 AM
Luis,
welcome to the hobby, or as some say, addiction. I see you are in Plantation, I'm in Miramar. PM me and we can discuss some of the details further.

IMO - Do NOT pay more than $40 per K on the primers and $30/lb on powder. If you decide to jump in, then the only real way to save on components is to buy in bulk.
Be wary of buying from GB or online as you will have to pay shipping and a hazmat fee. That isn't telling you to not buy, but to consider the overall cost once you factor ship/hazmat fees. When most of us order from the online vendors we max the order to spread out the hazmat across the whole order. It's $27.50 whether it's one pound, 1k primers or 40 pounds and 15K primers.

There are some local places that do stock powder and primers, you just have to be consistent and diligent in checking often for stock.
Down in Miami, a LGS has plenty of powders and primers. Powder is still at their normal price of around $20-22/lb, I didn't ask about the primers.

And as some have mentioned, brass is pretty much free. For common calibers, 9, 38, 40, 45 ACP, I get all the free brass from the ranges I shoot at.
So, your comparison in costs can be improved. -- In fact as a consideration to a local Broward member -- I'll give you 100 free (no cost except getting them) 38 spcl cases. How's that sound for the calculations?

Oh, btw, on my 38 spcl reloads using normal prices for powder and primers, Missouri Bullet 158 LSWC, and free brass I'm at ~$4.79 per 50, compare to ~$15-18 or higher for a retail box.

Hope this helps
Eddy

BullfrogKen
June 27, 2013, 01:40 AM
First - Don't go buy reloading stuff off Gunbroker, Ebay, or wherever people put stuff for sale on a secondary market. And certainly not in today's marketplace with the shortages.

Second - the cost is about the same as it always was. About half. You can load at home for about half the cost of buying the same quality and type as factory loaded ammunition. That's a good rule of thumb.


However . . . . And we reloaders have been saying this for years - when the store's got nothing to sell, but you have the ability to still load for yourself at home from your own inventory of components, you can't really put a price on that.


Or maybe you can . . . Gunbroker will give you one.

:evil:

stavman11
June 27, 2013, 01:36 PM
I started loading .223 cuz i shot WAY to many..... Could get Factory rds at about $.30-$.35 /rd
Buying Bulk Primers and Powder my Costs are aprox $.16/rd for .223 some more recent rounds are at about $.20 due to smaller purchases of Bullets

Now all my .357 and 9mm where purchased locally and 1lb or 1000 primers at a time

ability to Find 9mm factory at $.35/ea is still due-able... and .357 at $.45/ea as well

Currently my 9mm is running me $.15 - $.21 depending on Bullet type used
.357 is running me $.16 to $.25 .. higher Cost is for Full Magnum Loads that take 3x the Powder...

My pistol rounds Costs average will start dropping since my original Primer costs where $59 and now are $39 or less

No Brass is figured into any of my Loads... i figure they are free with the factory Rounds i have shot:D


For me it has made quite a difference in cost... but really means I can shoot more rounds for less... i also really enjoy Loading.... good way to spend my time when its gunna be 118deg out for the next 4 days:fire::D

GLOOB
June 27, 2013, 05:05 PM
The "current" price of primers is for suckers. When the price drops to 3 cents each, stock up. It will happen pretty soon.

BullfrogKen
June 27, 2013, 06:56 PM
The local shop I frequent has been holding prices at between $30-$34.00/1k on vanilla-plain primers since this whole thing started and are controlling it through limiting purchase amounts. They did the same thing 4 years ago.

They have a little bit of everything. Except they've been very thin on small rifle primers. You could buy benchrest if you wanted them, they had those. I did buy 1k because I had need of some.

silicosys4
June 27, 2013, 07:05 PM
Your call. You're saving $1 per round reloading rifle ammo and about 18 cents per round reloading pistol ammo, and you think you're saving more on the pistol ammo?

Shoot a case of 9mm handloads that saves you $175 (70%, $75 reloads vs $250 factory case), then shoot a case of rifle handloads that saves you $1,000 (50%, $1000 reloads vs $2000 factory case). See which one leaves more money in your wallet.
I saved MUCH more on the rifle ammo per round, but hey, do whatever makes you happy! ;)

Seems to me we are both right depending on how much of each you shoot. But dollar for dollar pistol reloading goes further than rifle reloading, you can't argue that.
To elaborate, if I sell a widget for $1k profit, it might be better than selling 1 gizmo for $5 profit....but is that better than selling 5k gizmo's at $5 profit each?

http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728

In the last few months I've shot about 10k pistol rounds,
and about 500 rifle rounds.
I saved about $300 on the rifle rounds,
and about $1.5k on the pistol rounds.
During that time you might have saved the same amount by doing the opposite. Depends on how much pistol ammo you shoot vs. rifle ammo.
But in the end, you will save more by reloading pistol ammo as a percentage of your equivalent cost in factory ammo. If you choose not to shoot enough pistol ammo vs rifle ammo to see the gains over reloading for a rifle, that doesn't mean that reloading for a pistol doesn't cost less. In the end I still saved three times what the pistol ammo would have cost to buy, and you only saved double what the rifle ammo would have cost to buy. Round for round I will save more, and will have more ammo for my money vs factory ammo if I reload for pistols vs. rifles.
So I'm not really following you,

But thanks, I'll continue to do things that make me happy, and saving money reloading makes me happy.

stavman11
June 27, 2013, 07:07 PM
The "current" price of primers is for suckers. When the price drops to 3 cents each, stock up. It will happen pretty soon.
Really... come On....

So you WONT get any primers based on $.01 to $.015 each

well personally...... I like Increasing my Stock.... ya would LOVE ta get primers at $24.99/1000 But even 8 months ago that was Tuff with haz and Shipping... I remmember cabela's had CCI400 at $27.99 plus tax....... that was Good.... and the Bulk 5000 I got online... was cheaper.. just dont remmember exactly the Price..

Bullet Costs effect the overall price more than Anything..... Well Rifle Rounds Cost More with Powder since the GR's are Much Higher.... So BULK Powder will help as well for Rifle but Not as much for Pistol

Anyways..... $39.99 or $44.99 who cares about $.015

GLOOB
June 27, 2013, 07:19 PM
Ur confusing me. Yes, I'd buy primers for $0.010-0.015 each. That's cheaper than 3 cents each. And even that is doable. I bought 1k CCI primers for $14.95 at Cabelas just a couple years ago. In store. No shipping, no hazmat.

But, but, that will NEVER happen again. There's a shortage!!! Yeah, w/e. There have been many shortages in the past, and many more to come in the future.

hostjunkies
June 27, 2013, 07:56 PM
Stop saying the work gun broker and you will be fine.

beatledog7
June 27, 2013, 08:00 PM
Don't ever start figuring in your time. Just consider it a vacation from the craziness that's all around us.

HOWARD J
June 27, 2013, 09:42 PM
I have not worried about the cost in years.
I enjoy reloading especially now that the stores are empty of ammo.
I keep a good stock of reloads & reloading components.
Enjoy
HJ

stavman11
June 28, 2013, 09:47 AM
No... I meant you implied you wont BUY them based on a Difference of $.01 to $.015 each

and thats a penny and Penny and a Half... Not Fifteen Cents.....LOL


Those Under $20/1000 may be a LONG time till they come back, if they do.....

But it also dosent Make sense to buy 5000 at $34.95 + Haz + Shipping either....

Oh well it is what it is....

RugerBob
June 28, 2013, 10:04 AM
If you happen to have a Cabelas near by, you can order online and have shipped to local store and not have to pay haz mat fees on powder and primers. Also no shipping costs that way. I have one close by and thats the way it works here in Maine.

stavman11
June 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
If you happen to have a Cabelas near by, you can order online and have shipped to local store and not have to pay haz mat fees on powder and primers. Also no shipping costs that way. I have one close by and thats the way it works here in Maine.
Not here in AZ... they wont do it... everything else they do but No HAZMAT items qualify


have you done it before with powders? Just tried... no will call option available

RugerBob
June 28, 2013, 10:30 AM
no, not powders. Never tried, Have another option here that has been my #1 choice before cabelas. But they did say if I ordered primers over the phone and had shipped to local store (cabelas) no extra fee.

stavman11
June 28, 2013, 10:39 AM
no, not powders. Never tried, Have another option here that has been my #1 choice before cabelas. But they did say if I ordered primers over the phone and had shipped to local store (cabelas) no extra fee.
ya

dont think that works....... hazmat still applies... only other way would be part of their STOCK order... But that could take weeks

jlucke69
June 28, 2013, 02:43 PM
Subscribe to this thread

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=707473

It will show you where components are available and what reloading prices should be.

Gunbroker auctions right now typically bring more than the item is worth. When the panic goes down, check back with them and it might be better.

Find someone to go in on for reloading supplies or buy local. Buying 1K of primers is going to double the price because of hazmat fees. I typically buy 10-20K primers and 10-20lb powder at a time and sell what I don't need to my reloading buddies for cost plus a portion of the hazmat.

The key to keeping reloading prices down is buying bulk when and where the prices are good. Find a few sources and keep an eye out for specials.

Also, classifieds here and elsewhere are great places to get brass and components at reasonable prices and don't forget to browse your local range and pickup discarded brass.

Good luck and welcome to the club.

Potatohead
June 28, 2013, 03:04 PM
Subscribe to this thread

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=707473

It will show you where components are available and what reloading prices should be.

Gunbroker auctions right now typically bring more than the item is worth. When the panic goes down, check back with them and it might be better.

Find someone to go in on for reloading supplies or buy local. Buying 1K of primers is going to double the price because of hazmat fees. I typically buy 10-20K primers and 10-20lb powder at a time and sell what I don't need to my reloading buddies for cost plus a portion of the hazmat.

The key to keeping reloading prices down is buying bulk when and where the prices are good. Find a few sources and keep an eye out for specials.

Also, classifieds here and elsewhere are great places to get brass and components at reasonable prices and don't forget to browse your local range and pickup discarded brass.

Good luck and welcome to the club.
yup. found some powder using this thread today

cowtownup
June 28, 2013, 03:21 PM
40 S&W have been costing me $0.18 per round to reload using Berry's bullets.. That includes the hazmat fee for I got those components from Grafs... I should be a few pennies less now that my LGS has powder...

X-Rap
June 28, 2013, 03:30 PM
I'd say I saw around 30# of powder and thousands of bullets and primers when I went to town yesterday.
Ammo is plentiful with the 22lr exception and gun racks are full. 22 won't show up in quantities until every American house hold has 5-10k set back but that can't be far out.
I think the monopoly of the privateers is almost broken as the margin is start in to close up.
Thing to remember is how many lean times you have to live through before you start setting stuff back instead of being at the mercy of an inflated panic market.
I also saw hundreds of 30 rd ar and ak mags for pre panic prices just 4 days out from the ban here in CO. I don't know what the small stores will do with left overs, I suppose Cabelas and Sportsmans can just ship their stock to an out of state store. I think there might be some smoking deals on 15+ mags on the 30th.

Certaindeaf
June 28, 2013, 03:39 PM
It's probably the same as it ever was on a ratio basis, not on a nominal dollar basis. It's anywhere from fifty to four times cheaper to reload these days, compared to factory loads.

Flt Simulation
June 28, 2013, 03:56 PM
I only load .45 ACP


The following components were bought 8 months ago, before the latest ammo shortage.

Bullets: Precision Delta 230gr FMJ RN

Powder: Winchester 231

Primers: Winchester small pistol

Brass: Range pick up (free)


Cost: .18 cents per cartridge ($18 per box of 100)

45_auto
June 28, 2013, 06:27 PM
In the end I still saved three times what the pistol ammo would have cost to buy, and you only saved double what the rifle ammo would have cost to buy. Round for round I will save more, and will have more ammo for my money vs factory ammo if I reload for pistols vs. rifles.

Ok, hopefully I can simplify it for you.

Fill out these 3 simple lines for me:

Line 1 - Savings per round on pistol ammo = ______ (You should see about a 20 cent savings per round based on your post #6: "For me, .38 spcl reloads are roughly $0.06 each.")

Line 2 - Savings per round on rifle ammo = ______ (You claim $1 per round savings in post #7: "I'm paying about $1 each to reload premium rifle ammo who's equivalent can be purchased for approximately $2 round from the factory")

Line 3 - Compare Line 1 to Line 2. Round for round, will you save more reloading for pistols on Line 1 or will I save more reloading for rifles on Line 2? _______

(If you can't follow the above, try this: Sit one of your reloaded rifle rounds next to a dollar bill. Sit one of your reloaded pistol rounds next to two dimes. Put the dollar in one box labeled "Rifle Savings per round", and the two dimes in another box labeled "Pistol Savings per round". Without looking at the labels, see which box has the most money in it. The box with the most money will determine whether you save more per round on rifle or pistol ammo.)

dragon813gt
June 28, 2013, 07:35 PM
If you happen to have a Cabelas near by, you can order online and have shipped to local store and not have to pay haz mat fees on powder and primers. Also no shipping costs that way. I have one close by and thats the way it works here in Maine.

You are one lucky person if that's the case. HazMat still applies in PA for ship to store orders. Which I completely understand because the items are shipped like they would be shipped to your home. They aren't coming in by a tractor trailer like a stock order.

As far as cost. I stopped figuring it out. I know I'm saving money. I don't care how much because I enjoy reloading and I create higher quality ammo than the factory can. Now if I could just stop buying MP Molds I wouldn't be spending anymore money on tooling.


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SuperNaut
June 30, 2013, 11:16 AM
As others have stated, decoupling your supply from market supply is where the real value of reloading lies.

And it is fun. Fun = Priceless.

wackemanstackem
June 30, 2013, 06:21 PM
Lets not forget its gona cost you 500 bucks min before you even pull the handle and proly closer to 1000 for everthing you need from start to finish ,by that I meen when you buy your first reloading setup from press to finished bullet.Powder ,bullets ,primers ,calipers ,dies,more dies,tumblers, scales ,books ,brass just to name a few.Its not about saving money I wish it was .But it is a great hobby ,wouldnt have it any other way.

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