4473 address question?


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Magnuumpwr
June 28, 2013, 10:20 PM
Say you live in a rural area and have P O satellite box (group of boxes). Your physical address does not consist of street name with a house number, although you do have a 911 address. My mailing address is what I have on my state issued license. Which address should be used?

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22-rimfire
June 28, 2013, 10:29 PM
I would use the 911 address and add the P.O. Box number as well. You're being totally truthful. I was staying in a bed & breakfast (a couple years) and had a PO Box number on my drivers license then.... gun shop said to use the physical address as to where I lived.

FROGO207
June 28, 2013, 10:36 PM
You do need to use your physical address. Also you will probably be asked to show proof of that address as well. I had both PO and physical put on my hunting license and they were OK with that for a GVT issued ID.They always required showing proof of address here until I got my physical location added to the PO box on my drivers license.

dogtown tom
June 28, 2013, 10:43 PM
Magnuumpwr Say you live in a rural area and have P O satellite box (group of boxes). Your physical address does not consist of street name with a house number, although you do have a 911 address. My mailing address is what I have on my state issued license. Which address should be used?
Read these two documents from ATF:
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2011/08/082911-atf-open-letter-to-all-ffls.html
and
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2011/08/082911-atf-open-letter-to-all-ffls.html

Magnuumpwr
June 28, 2013, 10:59 PM
Now for the twist, using Google maps, TomTom, or MapQuest, using my 911 address you still can not locate my residence. Talked to my local JP and was told my 911 address may not be valid. Although, local sheriff deputies do know how to find my house by hearing my name (allegedly disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct depending on the deputy). I got tired of them showing up, so started calling dispatch before shooting. But the last couple of times they showed up, they did not know of an address to find my house. I believe this is enough info to better answer the question. Also, though not required, I put my SSN.

Gaffer
June 29, 2013, 11:06 AM
When I worked at a gun shop we were told that the electric company bill always shows the physical address and the mailing address so we would ask them to bring a copy of the electric bill.

dogtown tom
June 29, 2013, 01:04 PM
Gaffer When I worked at a gun shop we were told that the electric company bill always shows the physical address and the mailing address so we would ask them to bring a copy of the electric bill.
That would be a violation of ATF regulations.:eek:

The Form 4473 Question 20b "Alternate Documentation" is where the dealer records what document is used if the government issued photo ID does not show the current residence address. That alternate documentation MUST be government issued.
Unless that electric bill is from a governmental entity it would not be acceptable. (Per the instructions on the 4473)

danez71
June 29, 2013, 02:51 PM
Use the address the US post office says is your house address or the address that is on the deed to the property.

gamestalker
June 29, 2013, 04:58 PM
I've been informed by every FFL that what ever physical address I put on the form, must match the one on my driver license. I don't know if PO box numbers qualify though.

On another note, A friend and I each bought 5 acres, and it was in a very rural area. So after doing some checking with the county and postal service we were allowed to name our street, or dirt road as it were, and then assign addresses to them. It actually allowed us to only have to drive a mile to a mail box, rather than having to pick up our mail at the sub station PO box.

GS

mgkdrgn
June 30, 2013, 12:52 PM
Address on the form needs to match the address on your ID.

dogtown tom
June 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
mgkdrgn Address on the form needs to match the address on your ID.
No, it doesnt.:banghead:
Read the instructions.........they clearly state if the address does not match then "alternate documentation" may be used.

Magnuumpwr
June 30, 2013, 01:13 PM
The address I enter on the 4473 is what I have on my drivers license. One of my local LGS's noticed the address as a mailing address and not my residence. He insisted that I use my 911 address issued by the county. So to buy that gun my 4473 address did not match my ID. This is where my question come about. All guns prior to and since at other gun shops are 4473 addressed to match my ID, but his 4473 address does not match. Although, the NICS check was a proceed, how can this happen?

dogtown tom
June 30, 2013, 08:04 PM
Magnuumpwr The address I enter on the 4473 is what I have on my drivers license. One of my local LGS's noticed the address as a mailing address and not my residence. He insisted that I use my 911 address issued by the county. So to buy that gun my 4473 address did not match my ID. This is where my question come about. All guns prior to and since at other gun shops are 4473 addressed to match my ID, but his 4473 address does not match. Although, the NICS check was a proceed, how can this happen?
Question 2 on the 4473 asks for "Current RESIDENCE address"........not mailing address, not where your neighborhood mail box is located, not a PO Box......the address of the buyers actual residence.

If the current residence address does not match the buyers government issued photo ID, then the buyer must provide alternate government issued documentation that shows the buyers name and actual residence address.

If a gun shop asks you to change your response to Question 2 "Current Residence Address" in order to match your ID...........be damn careful. When you complete and sign a 4473 you are certifying under penalty of law that your answers are true, correct and complete. First, you should already know that a PO Box is not your actual residence address. Neither is "General Delivery, Mayberry, USA". Second, if in doubt READ the instructions on the 4473. Third, if a gun store owner or employee asks you to rewrite or correct an answer to his liking.........be damned sure that response is true.

FBI NICS is not told the buyers residence address during a background check.

NavyLCDR
July 2, 2013, 01:41 AM
Interesting to note is that active duty military members do not have to prove the exact residence address given on the form 4473 - Federal regulations allow a military member to present their Active Duty Military ID Card as proof of identity, and official permanent change of station orders as proof of state of residence to completely satisfy the requirements of the Brady Law, but neither of those documents will have an actual complete address of residence on them.

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