Remington 700 safety hard to disengage??


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NYH1
July 1, 2013, 01:06 AM
I have a Remington 700 BDL 223 Rem. that my parents got me for my birthday and Christmas when I was a kid in 1989. . . . .wow I feel old! When they bought it, they bought it new. It's been a great rifle. However, over the last year I've noticed that the safety has been getting harder and harder to disengage. It's as easy as it was from day one to put it on safe. It's just disengaging it so I/we (as in my young son and I) can shoot it that's the problem. Now it's to the point where it's really hard and something needs to be done about it.

Have any of you had this type of issue with a Remington 700? If so, what did you do to fix it? Mine is all factory, no aftermarket parts have been added. I'd like to keep it that way. I had the trigger pull lightened a little bit in the mid 90's. That never effected anything that I could tell in the 17 or 18 years since I had it lightened.

Any thoughts or ideas?

Thanks, NYH1.

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jmr40
July 1, 2013, 08:32 AM
If a good cleaning does not help, then it is time for a gunsmith to look things over. I'd take it apart and try cleaning first. Over time crud may have built up and be causing problems.

ngnrd
July 1, 2013, 10:27 AM
Yup. I'd also start with a thorough cleaning.

roklok
July 1, 2013, 01:41 PM
I have seen this from time to time, in my experience it has always been a lack of lubrication. Remove barreled action from stock and lube the safety with a good gun oil, particuarly the small steel ball and spring.

adelbridge
July 1, 2013, 06:07 PM
my guess is dried varnished oil or light rust. The quick solution is to soak the bolt assembly in some kind of penetrating oil for a day or two. I have also soaked them in a cup acetone and had all kinds of crud at the bottom of the cup after a couple hours but that doesnt adress rust.

NYH1
July 2, 2013, 02:18 AM
I took the safety apart and cleaned the little ball and the safety lever itself. I put it back together with a light coat of oil on it. It still the same as when I took it apart.

NYH1.

NYH1
July 2, 2013, 02:31 AM
Is the ball supposed to stay in the hole with the large chamfer? Or is it supposed to go back and forth between that hole and the hole next to (without a chamfer) as the safety is engaged and disengaged?

Thanks again, NYH1.

Edarnold
July 2, 2013, 05:23 AM
Given the problems that have occurred with Model 700s discharging when the safety is disengaged, I'd take your problem very seriously. It might be time to get an aftermarket trigger in there: twenty-plus years of wear on the original may be telling you that it's just worn out.

IMHO

herkyguy
July 2, 2013, 06:52 AM
Send it to ruger. That would make me nervous. It's the daggone safety for crying out loud.

jim in Anchorage
July 2, 2013, 08:17 AM
Send his Remington to Ruger?

Reloadron
July 2, 2013, 08:37 AM
Is the ball supposed to stay in the hole with the large chamfer? Or is it supposed to go back and forth between that hole and the hole next to (without a chamfer) as the safety is engaged and disengaged?

Thanks again, NYH1.
Yes, the detente ball should be moving.

Send it to ruger. That would make me nervous. It's the daggone safety for crying out loud.

I am sure Ruger would appreciate getting a Remington 700 sent to them. However, sending the rifle to Remington is certainly a viable option. Also Brownells does carry a complete set of REMINGTON 700 REM-SAF SAFETY (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-amp-action-parts/safety-parts/safeties/rem-saf-safety-parts-sku758000011-22882-48722.aspx) parts if this is the safety you have.

As to the Remington 700 and 40X rifles and safety issues:
Only those Model 700 rifles made before March 1982 were manufactured with a bolt-lock mechanism. Model 700 rifles made after March 1982 do not have a bolt-lock mechanism and may be loaded and unloaded with the safety in the “S” or “On Safe” position.

Ron

NYH1
July 2, 2013, 11:32 PM
I'll have a smith or my friend look at it before it go's back to Remington. In May I took my 7600 Carbine (for the second time) and my sons Marlin 336Y (little 12.75" stock, 16.25" barrel) back to Ilion. We're an hour or so from it.

They sent my 7600 back again saying it was "fine and in spec". It wasn't. I ended up taking it apart and fixing myself it with the parts Remington's customer service department sent me. Nothing was wrong with it. . . . . .but we'll send you parts to fix it!

They fixed the problem we were having with the 336Y, the front sight was canted to the 11:30 position. They put a new barrel on it. However, they created three other problems while they fixed it. 1- It was now splitting cases when we fired it. 2- It was firing 5 inches high at 25 yards with the rear sight at it's lowest position. 3- The front forearm was as loose as a pump shotgun. Their fix to this was send me a new forearm. You would think they would check these things out before sending it back. I dropped it back off at Ilion and told them I wanted a new rifle. They said yes. After the flooding is over in the Mohawk Valley, they'll send us a new rifle.

As you can probably guess I don't have any confidence at all in Remington's service and repair department. I think they're pretty much worthless. And I see no reason to send my Remington to Ruger to have them fix it.

NYH1

NYH1
July 2, 2013, 11:51 PM
Reloadron, I looked at the link you posted. All those same parts in my rifle look to be in great shape. There is no rust at all, hardly any wear. I'm at a loss. My rifle was new in Dec. 1989. I think my parents had to order it to get by Christmas.

I can work the bolt with the safety engaged or disengaged.

NYH1.

hoghunting
July 3, 2013, 01:30 AM
I installed Timney triggers on my 700s, and it's a much better trigger with a safety that works.

NYH1
July 3, 2013, 02:53 AM
I saw the Timney triggers that come with the safety that blocks the firing pin IIRC. I might look into replacing all ours with those when money allows. I have to get this one safely and correctly working for now though.

Thanks, NYH1.

Reloadron
July 3, 2013, 07:18 AM
Reloadron, I looked at the link you posted. All those same parts in my rifle look to be in great shape. There is no rust at all, hardly any wear. I'm at a loss. My rifle was new in Dec. 1989. I think my parents had to order it to get by Christmas.

I can work the bolt with the safety engaged or disengaged.

NYH1.
I can't imagine what could be causing the problem. The safety is well lubricated, the detent ball is working and moving as it should. I should have an old Remington 700 trigger laying around here somewhere, I look for it and try to duplicate the problem. I looked at one on a rifle to see what the detent ball was doing.

Yes, Timney makes a real nice trigger for a 700, I use a few on some of my older Remington 700s. I just can't figure out what could be causing this problem.

Ron

CharlieDeltaJuliet
July 3, 2013, 01:51 PM
Yep, I am with these guys. Replace it with a Timney. I have one on my competition R700, and love it.

zonzin
July 3, 2013, 03:16 PM
Another Timney trigger convert. Made a heck of a difference on my 1974 700ADL. Liked it so much I put one on all my rifles.

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Still Shooting
July 4, 2013, 12:55 AM
I shoot Rugers, but I am also a diehard fan of Timney triggers. Three years back I put one on my .270 - it only took about 40 minutes to install it, set it up for let-off, and set the pull weight (I like my hunting rifles at about 3lbs.-4oz., because NY deer season is likely to find me in gloves). My wife shot the rifle a week after I did the Timney, and asked for one on her Ruger .243 as a birthday gift. After a few more months, I replaced the Ruger adjustable trigger on my (early tang safety) .257 Roberts. The Roberts was no picnic, because the early trigger is a complex animal to "fit" into the bedding!

But all 3 triggers are a pure pleasure to use, reliable, and safe. I'd say, go ahead and spring for a Timney on your 700 - you WILL NOT regret it!

NYH1
July 4, 2013, 04:09 AM
I took all of the safety parts out of another one of my 700's and put them in my 223 that I'm having trouble with. It worked good as new with the other safety parts in it.

Then I put the all the safety parts from my 223 in the 700 that I took the safety parts out of. The safety worked. However, it didn't function the way it should have. I put all the parts back where they came from.

I'm going to get a Timney Trigger for my 700 that's giving me trouble. I didn't even bother putting the safety parts back in it. So it won't be taken out of the safe until the Timney is here for it.

Thanks for all the help, NYH1.

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