I got antis in the wire (problems at work)


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duckfoot
March 19, 2004, 09:20 PM
So on reading a thread about putting Oleg's posters up in their dorm, I went ahead and printed out a few and put them up in my office area (looks like a classic Dilbert cube farm if you must know.) Since I work only overnights people are free to molest my "office space" during the day. Come back the next day, Posters are gone!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAGH @#$&, %^&*, and !@#$%!!!!! Walked around just now and see a number of others that have personal items posted in their area, so management doesn't see to have a problem with this yet, but if I had my way they would. (can you say Oleg wallpapered cube) Other than going to the extreme, any suggestions?


Thanks

Duck

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El Tejon
March 19, 2004, 09:22 PM
Did someone take your stapler as well?:D

Standing Wolf
March 19, 2004, 09:55 PM
Put up more. Keep putting them up. The anti-Second Amendment bigots probably won't tire of playing censors, but fence sitters will eventually perceive them as they actually are: petty tyrants.

Zedicus
March 19, 2004, 10:01 PM
print a set in advance for every working day of the week to keep on hand, they will either get sick of taking them down & not bother, or they waill try & make a mountan of a mole hill & make fools of themsellves...

Brian Dale
March 19, 2004, 10:21 PM
You could post a small sign on the wall of your cubie that reads something like,

Please do not steal any more of my posters. If you would like some of your own, please let me know. I'd be happy to print them for you.
Thanks in Advance,
{Signed by you}

ny32182
March 19, 2004, 10:30 PM
I like happy bob's idea.

JohnKSa
March 19, 2004, 10:36 PM
Ever hear of ultraviolet marking powder?

Put up a doctored set and come in the next day with an ultraviolet Photon Microlight.

Firethorn
March 19, 2004, 10:43 PM
I did a quick google search and found a few artists.

Can you specify which one?

Oops, added 'gun' to the search and it popped up...

tommytrauma
March 19, 2004, 11:02 PM
Did someone take your stapler as well?


I LOVE that movie!

fjolnirsson
March 19, 2004, 11:26 PM
Yeah, did you get that memo about the TPS reports?

modifiedbrowning
March 19, 2004, 11:46 PM
"Can't say I'm missing it, Bob".

mondocomputerman
March 20, 2004, 02:12 AM
Get a web cam. They are cheap and useful!

Travis McGee
March 20, 2004, 03:06 AM
Man, look at all the great ideas in just a few replies! It's great to put some heads together. I'd do them all: powder, webcam, more posters etc. Plus, I'd staple those rascals down about every 1.2 inch. Make it a real pain to remove them.

BluesBear
March 20, 2004, 03:56 AM
So I guess that putting up a B27 with the center shot out would be frowned upon?
:evil:

Amish_Bill
March 20, 2004, 04:38 AM
I've had shot-up targets posted at work for years. (yes, one was even an 'antisocial sillouhette!) So far, nobody's given me any grief over them. :-)

TonyB
March 20, 2004, 06:20 AM
I can relate...we have a big inspection coming up next week,and my Boss"suggested" I take down my gun stuff and take my screensaver off.....I did it......am I weak or do I just need my job???not sure but it does suck!!:mad:

71Commander
March 20, 2004, 07:35 AM
Go to a dollar store and get a picture frame and then put the pic's in the frame. If mgt' is taking them down, they would have to let you know as they would be stealing your property (frame). If they don't let you know, report a theft.

spacemanspiff
March 20, 2004, 07:45 AM
i have a couple oleg posters on my cube wall. my liberal boss and the liberal office manager havent said anything about them. but i was asked to take the lead i've pulled off bullets home because it 'violates company policy of not having weapons or ammunition on premises'.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

so i'm going to make a diorama of all the lead i've pulled, and all the lead i've retrieved from the range, and see how long it lasts in my cube before i'm asked to remove it.

another time i had a little setup where i crucified a little teddy bear, hung him upside down, and had the 'buddy jesus' figure from the movie 'dogma' standing in front of him. 'buddy jesus' had a snake wrapped aroundhim, and mermaids on each of his shoulders. also surrounding the crucified bear was small plastic animals. for a short while i had mr white, mr pink, mr orange and mr blonde surrounding the bear with guns drawn.

i have other ideas that someday will become "sac-religious" dioramas, but their content matter probably would offend many here.

tok
March 20, 2004, 08:38 AM
I wouldn't hang those at work just because I know it'd make some people uncomfortable. Nobody likes to have their faces rubbed in things they disagree with and I think you might actually be alienating people who are undecided.
As much as I love guns, I had one co-worker that was always spouting off about what he'd do if he had his Glock. He talked about shooting machinery, shooting loose dogs, pointing it at uncooperative people. Frankly, the guy made me really nervous. When he got fired, I was really on high alert for a couple of days.
You might be nothing like this, but it might be how people see you, and it's just not conducive to a good work environment.

If they're anti-gun, so what? You're not going to change their opinions with posters. Put them behind you at 5 o'clock and do your thing. If you really want to make a difference with someone on the fence about guns, invite them to go to the target range to shoot a .22 pistol. I've yet to meet one person, male or female, that hasn't enjoyed that experience.

Samurai Penguin
March 20, 2004, 09:47 AM
another time i had a little setup where i crucified a little teddy bear, hung him upside down, and had the 'buddy jesus' figure from the movie 'dogma' standing in front of him. 'buddy jesus' had a snake wrapped aroundhim, and mermaids on each of his shoulders. also surrounding the crucified bear was small plastic animals. for a short while i had mr white, mr pink, mr orange and mr blonde surrounding the bear with guns drawn.

Spiff, you are one sick puppy...got any pictures of this stuff? :D

Oleg Volk
March 20, 2004, 10:15 AM
Your goal is primarily to persuade, not to offend. Keep that in mind. Pick a graphic which lends to questions or leads to a debate, then debate one on one over lunch break.

Pendragon
March 20, 2004, 11:32 AM
Not sure what field you are in, but this is not a great job market for techie types.

I left my last long term job at the end of June 2003 and since then, I have worked a total of about 2 of the last 9 months.

If you think you can get another job easily, I say go for it. But with all the hand wringing about hostile work environments and whatnot, I would just keep in mind that losing your job, while very unlikely, cannot be overlooked as a real possibility.

Mornard
March 20, 2004, 03:18 PM
I agree with Happy Bob. Keep puttin' them up. THERE IS HOPE - our boss was just fired for his constant anti-NRA, anti-gun, anti-Bush, anti-Republican rants during staff meetings and employee lunches!

(OK, so it helps to have a CEO that was an officer in the U.S Marine Corps)

Andrew Rothman
March 20, 2004, 06:05 PM
I want to work where you work, Mornard! (Seriously -- PM me if there is even a ghost of a chance they need a computer geek!)

CB900F
March 20, 2004, 06:48 PM
Mornard;

I see Mpayne beat me to it, but --- I know the name of Lew Diamond's dog, I know what Jimmy Miller's belt did, and I know who Barney Ross taught to box. If that doesn't raise the curiosity of an old Marine, nuthin' will.

I even know that you had to get an F4U up regardless, you could go 'borrow' the prop from a squid F6F & throw it on & fly. Splines are the same.

On top of that, I'm not a computer geek!

:D 900F

JohnKSa
March 20, 2004, 10:25 PM
I agree that putting up such posters at work may not be the smartest approach.

On the other hand, I think that whoever's pulling them down without telling you is screwing up worse.

Even if you decide not to repost them, you need to find out who feels free enough to rip your posters down.

Treylis
March 21, 2004, 01:06 AM
for a short while i had mr white, mr pink, mr orange and mr blonde surrounding the bear with guns drawn.

Did you have Reservoir Dogs action figures or something?

twoblink
March 21, 2004, 05:45 AM
You need to put up a pick of yourself with say a nice M1Garand, or a 6" 357Mag wheel gun; and it should say as caption:

"Please don't steal my posters. Next time, I'm probably not going to say please..."

:D

CB900F
March 21, 2004, 09:01 AM
Duckfoot;

I admit that the thought of putting up a poster such as the one described in the previous post is tempting, I don't think it would be productive. Put up one that is couched in language that they can understand:

"You have invaded my personal space without permission. You have removed my personal property without permission. You have caused me to experience deep personal trauma, forever scarring my psyche. I'm going to report this to the hall monitor, who's going to report it to Oprah.
See the back side of this poster if you don't understand my position."

The back side says: "Or we can do it the way I'd prefer to"

That's where you post the picture that's offensive to the fragile mind.

900F

joab
March 21, 2004, 11:40 AM
I would agree with those saying not to put posters up if they were the "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out type" But Oleg's posters are not offensive to anybody except possilbly on a political level. I've never seen obe that advocated violence.

One time ,in response to people stealing from my desk, as a joke I posted a target with a particularly good shot placement on it , the feminist Mozambique Drill, (2 to the chest 1 to the head and 1 to the groin) Along with the caption
"I'm 6 foot tall 230 pounds, slightly unbalanced and easily pissed off. Which part of that makes %^@*ing with me a good idea"

I really liked that job to. Be careful who you offend.

foghornl
March 21, 2004, 04:09 PM
I had a problem several years back at a job where someone would take off with my coffee mug during the day and NOT return it. [I worked overnignts, 6P-2A]

So, one day, I put up a big note on the bulletin boards:

Whoever has been using my Corelle coffee mug, white with green trim, please see me for a veterinarian reccomendation. You now have hoof-and-mouth disease.

spacemanspiff
March 21, 2004, 05:34 PM
yeah, i got half the reservoir dogs figures. maybe i can dig them out for a photo session around our lord the panda. easters coming up soon, isnt it?

:evil:

duckfoot
March 21, 2004, 08:37 PM
Thanks for all the input guy's I'll let you know haow it goes this week.

Duck

Bruce H
March 21, 2004, 08:55 PM
Put a small poster behind the front. Beware of the anthrax:evil: .

duckfoot
March 22, 2004, 04:34 PM
Bruce H

Put a small poster behind the front. Beware of the anthrax

That wouldn't be the smartest move for me since I work for the USPS.

The_Antibubba
March 23, 2004, 01:17 AM
You know, the one's that say "This a gun-free zone, I am defenseless!" Offer to distribute them.

duckfoot
March 23, 2004, 03:20 AM
Well, got cited for work place harassment tonight, the boss (very cool guy a gunny too) said that he got work from on high that some one sent in a work place harassment notice, saying that my Oleg posters offended them and made them unconformable to work around. And I haven't put up any more posters yet.





AAAAAAAAAGGGGHH!!!:cuss:





I AM the better person, I am the better person, I love my job, I love my job..........:rolleyes:

igor
March 23, 2004, 06:15 AM
:scrutiny: :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

Sounds like it's time for you to make decisions... keep 'em (and us!) posted!

tok
March 23, 2004, 07:41 AM
Of all places that'd be sensitive to posters like that, you really have to expect it from the post office. I think the whole origin of "Going Postal" would kind of tell you hanging firearm posters, no matter how positive the message, is asking for trouble. That's no knock on USPS employee's either. My mailman is a cool dude and one of my wifes best friends is a postal worker but there is a history of violence in the USPS that put them in a very negative light.

My take on this is that you're on their time, in their building. Hang the posters at home. You're just brining unnecessary aggravation upon yourself.

Bruce H
March 23, 2004, 08:40 AM
How about the right to face your acuser?

dsgrntldPW
March 23, 2004, 09:44 AM
Must be a visibility thing. On the desktop portion of my "case", a cubicle-like area where I sort and arrange my mail, I have the pictures of the rat armed with a 1911 .45 (IIRC) and leather gear drawing down on the kitten on the window sill with its "paws up". I happened to think it was a cute and humorous combo. Put it up about 4 weeks ago and no response from management yet; and my work area is right in front of the supervisor's desk. They're in black and white, my color cartridge was out, so maybe they are more difficult to distinguish what's going on in the pictures.

Moparmike
March 23, 2004, 12:11 PM
Glad that hasnt happened to me yet. Lord knows who would get offended if I wore an NRA hat though.:rolleyes:

Brian Dale
March 23, 2004, 03:10 PM
Filing charges would be a huge hassle, but it sounds like you've got the right to do so if you wish. You're the one who's being harassed here. Whether or not you make a public stand over the issue of cubicle posters that represent your support for fundamental human rights, you might do the following, with the assistance of your boss, the gunnie.

Write up a memo for your file in the personnel office: the file that holds the copy of your citation for alleged harassment. If you agree with the ideas that follow, you could note things such as these:

************************************************************

I understand that I have received a citation which states that a fellow employee has experienced discomfort, and that this discomfort is said to have been caused by the human rights posters that someone removed from my work space. While I do not believe that taking property from co-workers is a proper way to alleviate personal discomfort, a matter of greater concern is that no one chose to make this issue known to me or to my supervisor in order to seek a more appropriate solution.

{key point, duckfoot: they could have talked to your boss about this, or had their boss talk to your boss; instead, they vandalized your workspace in your absence. Have you experienced diminished trust in your employer's commitment to your personal security and that of your property? - I'm only half kidding.}

The posters that apparently prompted this complaint depicted ordinary, normal people having guns. Millions of ordinary, normal Americans have guns. This is appropriate; the overwhelming majority of people are good, upstanding people. I believe that, of my co-workers here and my close, personal friends, every single one of them merits my opinion that they are good people. They are not dangerous predators. They are not criminals. They have no interest in harming the rest of us here; quite the contrary. I believe that they are committed to a safe, productive, collegial atmosphere, just as I am.

I also believe that the world has a small proportion of bad people in it. History shows us that these few can cause suffering both great and small to the rest of us, because our attention is on building our lives and families rather than the destruction of others, on giving rather than demanding, and on trust rather than suspicion and hatred. Over the past few years, we have been reminded once more of what bad people can and will do to good people, when good people forget.

1. We're at war. We currently have combat troops away from their families, in the difficult and dangerous mission of killing terrorists in other countries.

2. The reason we are at war is that our country has been attacked by those with a long record of killing civilians, both in their own countries and in other countries. These murders exemplify the differences between their principles and ours. Our principles include the insistence that the strong must protect the weak; they are never to murder, rob and terrorize them.

3. The long record of this country, both its citizens and its government, are a testament to an unswerving devotion to acknowledging and protecting fundamental human rights. When our country began, our social customs were like those of Europe -- for example, slavery was legal and voting rights were reserved for only a few. Our nation has not only pioneered the advance of new social customs that respect and give force of law to fundamental human rights; Americans have paid dearly, both in blood and in money, for the protection of these same rights for others around the world.

4. Private ownership of weapons is an embodiment of the principle that most people are good, and that they can use power wisely, either to restrain the hands of the ruthless or, as a last resort, to stop their actions, once begun.

5. We of the Postal Service have been specifically attacked by those whose sympathies lie with the ruthless killers referred to in (2), above. We have taken casualties in this war. The anthrax attacks that murdered and sickened our colleagues were aimed at all of us, in an attempt to sow fear and confusion among us. This attempt has failed. We continue to do our jobs. Except for our Postal Inspectors, we do not carry weapons as we do our jobs.

6. I believe that we of the Postal Service were targeted for the anthrax attacks in the fall of 2001 because we are an integral part of a nation that succeeds brilliantly. We of the Postal Service are also an excellent example of what our nation stands for: we are men and women, of all ages, ethnic groups, religions, creeds and national origins, working together as a team. Our team's purpose is to provide, enhance and facilitate communication among Americans, and between Americans and people all over the world. We can look at our record and say that we are a team of champions.

7. I personally support the philosophy made clear by our Nation's laws: that fundamental human rights are paramount. During my paid working hours, I do not personally spend my time in such activities as publishing, giving speeches, worshipping in the manner of my choosing, carrying weapons, filing civil lawsuits, corresponding with the legislators who represent me, and voting. That is because I am here to do my job. We all willingly accept certain workplace requirements; they enhance the efficient completion of our jobs. There is no conflict between our focus on doing our jobs well and the truth that we all have fundamental human rights.

I respectfully suggest that very little credence would be given to any analogous complaint made about a Postal Service employee's posters showing, for example:
support for our military and hopes for our loved ones' safe return;
gratitude for the general freedom to worship, or (for example) the Lord's Prayer, or other verses from the Bible, the Torah, or other religious texts;
a reminder of the importance of voting rights;
a copy of the Bill of Rights, done in fine calligraphy;
pictures of an employee's children, because of the complainer's discomfort around the ethnic group of the family in the pictures;
-- need I go on?

Again, I suppose that my unknown colleague's discomfort about my human rights posters was caused by a lack of familiarity with the specific topic of guns. I'll point out here that all of the troops we've seen carrying guns and bringing freedom to others around the world came from among us; they are not a separate group. They come from our culture. They are us. Some are even our Postal Service colleagues, called up with National Guard and Reserve units, making us proud to know them.

I do not dispute the assertion that a co-worker of mine could have felt uncomfortable while in my work space without me, looking at my human rights posters. I do not know this person's identity, nor will I attempt to find out. I respect their privacy; to make them respect mine is not the purpose of this memo. If they or their supervisor have any other opinions or views that they wish me to be aware of, then they may communicate them to me or to my supervisor. I will certainly listen to those views, as long as those views do not include or recommend violations of the law or the oppression of others.

{-Your signature}

Received and read by,
{-Your supervisor's signature, if he's willing. I expect that he can sign it just to show that he's seen it and will forward it to Personnel. He doesn't need to publicly write down that he agrees with what you've written.}

Original: to personnel file (whatever it's called)
CC: Your Supervisor
CC: Originator of complaint
CC: Supervisor of originator of complaint

*********************************************************

Sign it, ask your supervisor to sign that he's received it, then make 4 copies. Keep one photocopy, and your supervisor gets one. He forwards the original to the personnel office for your file, and he sends the other 2 copies upstream for "blind" distribution to the appropriate parties (you don't know who they are, nor do you really need or want to).

Do as you wish with this, if anything. You, and anybody else who supports gun rights, may use it or any part of it. I don't presume to put words into your mouth OR Oleg's mouth. Use what you think expresses your beliefs; add, rewrite and delete stuff however you see fit. Your boss might even be willing to review a draft copy before you submit the final copy.

All the best with this.

Happy Bob

TechBrute
March 23, 2004, 03:21 PM
Duckfoot,

Which posters were they?

Firethorn
March 23, 2004, 03:41 PM
I wonder if the 'harassed' was the one who took the posters down, or if it was management's action taken upon receiving the complaint.

The posters might be on their way up the chain to whoever reviews harassment claims. Unfortuantly, harassment claims are often judged by the fact that somebody 'felt' harassed, whether the other party intended to or not, or even didn't have a clue.

Thing to ask the person who filed the complaint: Were you offended by the message of the posters, or by the fact that the posters had guns on them?

Another point would be that since this isn't a discrimination case, they'll have a harder time with any court case. This would include firing you, especially if it's a post office (federal employee). I wouldn't replace the posters until the complaint is resolved.

Eskimo Jim
March 23, 2004, 04:36 PM
I've worked at enough places to realize to never leave anything personal in your work area that you are not willing to replace.

Why not file a complaint that someone stole your personal property? This would have been more affective if this were done before someone complained.

Good luck.

-Jim

TechBrute
March 23, 2004, 04:46 PM
Why not file a complaint that someone stole your personal property? It had better be something that you printed out at home and brought in, and not printed on an office printer on office paper. before you start making accusations.

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