WOLF .Caliber ??


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CPLofMARINES
July 3, 2013, 08:00 PM
I read a piece a while back and the author said that a
.270 Win. would be the minimum rifle caliber that he
Would advise for wolf hunting. He did not specify bullet
Weight. What do you all think ??

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rcmodel
July 3, 2013, 08:09 PM
I think if a 22-250 or .243 wouldn't kill it DRT?

I wouldn't want to try it with a .270 either.

rc

avs11054
July 3, 2013, 08:15 PM
Dont know anything about how tough the skin is, but as far as size goes, I dont see why .223 wouldn't work.

rcmodel
July 3, 2013, 08:22 PM
A wolf is nothing more then an overgrown wild dog.

The skin is thin as animal skin goes, and they are not armor plated, or bullet-proof.

If you put an explosive HV varmint bullet through their chest, they will die just like any other wild dog after quickly drowning in their own blood.

rc

tahunua001
July 3, 2013, 08:23 PM
load of crap. one of the first wolves taken in montana after it was allowed was taken by a little young lady with a 22LR.

any centerfire will do the trick. the author may not feel comfortable taking anything smaller but a 150LB wolf sure isn't much of a match for just about any of the popular hunting cartridges in the US.

MCgunner
July 3, 2013, 08:24 PM
I don't know, I killed one with a 9x19 once that attacked me. Okay, it was a chow lookin' mutt, but close. :D

BigN
July 3, 2013, 08:26 PM
Out west I hear they call a 257 Weatherby the perfect wolf caliber. I don't see why a 243 or even 220 Swift or 22-250 couldn't handle an overgrown coyote.

saturno_v
July 3, 2013, 08:29 PM
I read a piece a while back and the author said that a
.270 Win. would be the minimum rifle caliber that he
Would advise for wolf hunting. He did not specify bullet
Weight. What do you all think ??

I do not think anything below a 338 Winchester Magnum would be effective on a wolf....actually I would suggest a 375 H&H as minimum...

Lloyd Smale
July 3, 2013, 08:32 PM
any caliber capable of humanely taking a whitetail would take a wolf.

ID-shooting
July 3, 2013, 08:47 PM
Thermonuclear? Sorry, not fond of them.

caribou
July 3, 2013, 08:57 PM
Ive used a .22mag many many a time, its one of the best "Fur" rounds out there....as well as what was in my hands, usually a Mosin Nagant. The wife too caught a dandy with one up the pazooza , as it ran away, and she added no holes to the hide.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/IMGP6072_zps384bf6e3.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/edwardhailstone/media/IMGP6072_zps384bf6e3.jpg.html)


The hide is thin, Wolves are narrow chested, and often, a .22 Mag go's all the way through, especially behind the shoulders..... When using a larger rifle, I use FMJ's, and I prefer the hipower'd rifle to "close the gap" as the Wolves speed away, full tilt..... :D

MCgunner
July 3, 2013, 09:20 PM
I used to think a .22 mag pretty worthless, too much for squirrel, too little for anything else. Then, I happened into one in a trade and I love the thing. It usually rides in the truck with me now days and it's my go to chicken coop protection. It's not that bad on squirrel, it takes rabbits, and I'd pop a pig in the head with it in a heartbeat. :D Little light for pigs, head shot required, but this thing is near MOA accurate at a full 100 yards, flat shootin' beast, too. I've done in a feral dog once, big one after my buddy's goats, with a .22LR NAA mini revolver from 20 yards. I don't think the .22 mag from a rifle lacks much on that. :D

sixgunner455
July 4, 2013, 02:00 PM
My aunt shot a German Shepherd that was after a horse colt with a .22LR out of the rifle my uncle kept behind the kitchen door.

It almost made it to the road before it died, but one shot did it in. If I were deliberately going out to hunt wolves, the rifle's caliber would probably not be a huge consideration, since just about anything would do one in within its range. I'd probably just use my .243 if I was going to go on a wolf hunt right now, since it's my main hunting rifle and I have loads for it made up.

Since wolves in this state are completely off limits, I'll just stick with taking it after coyotes, javelina, and deer.

mljdeckard
July 4, 2013, 02:22 PM
I did a little homework while I was watching "The Grey" the other night. They are savage to a degree most of us never think about, but they aren't that big. My main concern wouldn't be about whether or not a given bullet is good enough, but more whether or not you would get a shot at all.

25cschaefer
July 4, 2013, 02:37 PM
I shot a boxer at about 250yds with a 110gr V-Max out of my 270, her right leg (exit side) flipped over her back and clapped her left. I shot her right through the shoulder and it darned near ripped her whole shoulder/leg/side off. If you did not care about the hide, at all, use a heavy caliber with high expansion bullets.

wankerjake
July 4, 2013, 05:58 PM
I think 223-243 would all be good choices.

jack44
July 5, 2013, 02:33 PM
A 243 is all you would need if you want the hide - also if you want to use a 223 use a Barnes 60gr.

Kachok
July 5, 2013, 05:41 PM
Wolves get pretty big, the record is a 230lbs beast, I would not feel overgunned with a 270 Win but I have little doubt a 243 would do the trick as well especially with a 100gr quality bullet like an interlock or SGK.

MCgunner
July 7, 2013, 08:11 PM
I shot a boxer at about 250yds with a 110gr V-Max out of my 270, her right leg (exit side) flipped over her back and clapped her left. I shot her right through the shoulder and it darned near ripped her whole shoulder/leg/side off. If you did not care about the hide, at all, use a heavy caliber with high expansion bullets.

Only thing, some bigger cartridges with light weight bullet lack accuracy. I'd want it to be accurate, but so long as it's accurate enough, I'd use, say, a .30-06 and a 110 grain bullet or like that.

Me, I'd use my .257 Rob. and 100 grain game king, killed a buncha deer with that rifle. That bullet is 0.5 MOA at 100 yards.

25cschaefer
July 8, 2013, 08:28 PM
My Husqvarna, no idea what the twist is, will make a ragged hole with 150gr Partitions but the best I can get out of the 110 V-Max is about 1.75" groups at 100yds. In Montana, most people just pick up a wolf tag on the off chance they spot one while out deer/elk hunting and pop them with their big game gun. Most ghillie suited face painters I see out hunting wolves are carrying some sort of AR.

Wolves may be wild but, they are dogs.

The_Armed_Therapist
July 10, 2013, 01:01 PM
I'd want something bigger for dangerous game. The .270 should do the trick, but when the animal being hunted could end up hunting me, I want more surety. Maybe I'm overestimating the wolf (recently saw The Grey, btw, LOL), but I'd personally rather be safe than sorry. I'm thinking the large (200-220 grain) .30-06 loads as a minimum in my opinion. .338s or .45-70...

Patocazador
July 10, 2013, 02:45 PM
The only wolves I've seen were in Yellowstone except for one HUGE one in northern Minnesota. That one's back was almost as tall as the hood on my brother's truck. We "guess-timated" its weight at 150-170 lbs. The ones in Yellowstone were much smaller .. like big coyotes.

Any flat-shooting gun would work on most wolves I imagine but I'd feel safer with that big Minn. lobo with something large .. like a .444 Marlin. :D

MCgunner
July 10, 2013, 03:50 PM
I'm thinking the large (200-220 grain) .30-06 loads as a minimum in my opinion. .338s or .45-70...

Me, I'd prefer the .223 than a heavy bullet .30-06 that ain't going to expand.

It's a big dog, people, not a mammoth! .243 is excessive, .22 magnum about right. But, at extended ranges, a .243, maybe a .22-250 (a fine varmint caliber) or a .220 Swift is appropriate. Or you could go the "blow him in half" route with a .257 WM or something shooting an 87 grain bullet. :D If you want the hide, stick to the .22s and use a 55 grain bullet that is not explosive.

kim breed
July 11, 2013, 08:32 AM
A 223 will handle them no problems. I like the AR. 30 rds just encase the rest of the pack shows up.

DM~
July 11, 2013, 08:47 AM
I read a piece a while back and the author said that a .270 Win. would be the minimum rifle caliber that he Would advise for wolf hunting. He did not specify bullet Weight. What do you all think ??

Run one by me when i have my 22Win. Mag. in my hands, and you will see that a .270 sure as heck isn't needed!!

DM

Lloyd Smale
July 12, 2013, 07:18 PM
why would some recomend a rim fire or a 223 when theyd get bent out of shape if you suggested using the same on a whitetail. A wolf is as big as an average whitetail in body size and bone size. tell me why its ok for a wolf or coyote or varmit to suffer a slow death but do that to a whitetail and most here want to linch you.

The_Armed_Therapist
July 12, 2013, 10:25 PM
why would some recomend a rim fire or a 223 when theyd get bent out of shape if you suggested using the same on a whitetail. A wolf is as big as an average whitetail in body size and bone size. tell me why its ok for a wolf or coyote or varmit to suffer a slow death but do that to a whitetail and most here want to linch you.

That kind of blew my mind, too. .22mag perfect? LOL... If he didn't have 21K posts, I'd assume he was trolling. That isn't even enough for some rabbits (1-shot kills)... and rabbits aren't dangerous.

Art Eatman
July 12, 2013, 10:27 PM
Lloyd, haven't you figured out that folks look differently at varmint-type critters than they do at game animals? Different attitude. And it's very strongly negative among those in any way involved with livestock. Always been that way; always will be that way. No point in worrying about it.

And the Spelling Nazi notes that it's "lynch". :) On an old farm wagon, you'll find a linch pin. Holds the wagon tongue to the wagon.

Lloyd Smale
July 13, 2013, 07:41 AM
Art i appologize for the spelling. I still cant figure it out though why its ok for one animal to suffer a painful death and not another. When we do crop damage shooting the deer are nothing but varmits themselves that destroy crops just like ground hogs or wild bore destroy grazing land. Me i like to kill something i shoot at. Its probably why i get flak for using mag rifles hunting deer. About the only thing i hate more then a deer running off wounded is having to track it and drag it out of a swamp! I sometimes think to many grew up watching bambi and shouldnt be out there killing them to begin with.

Sav .250
July 13, 2013, 08:40 AM
One does not need a "cannon" to put down a wolf. The shot is the ticket!

txcookie
July 13, 2013, 09:04 AM
I would go with a 243 set up for yotes!

Skyshot
July 13, 2013, 09:05 AM
All bullets are killers and some are stoppers. :)

Art Eatman
July 13, 2013, 10:06 AM
Lloyd, and anybody else, for that matter, anybody in this country has the right to own a gun, hunt, and vote. Not everybody is wise, skillful and rational in how they choose to act. No point in wasting psychic energy over their lacks.

Wolf, coyote, prairie dog, Bambi, feral dog or feral cat: I want a quick, clean kill. I don't see any point to having anything suffer.

So, when it comes down to a choice of weapon, for a wolf I'd pick the .223 as an adequate minimum. Odds are that even a first hit "gone wrong" would put a wolf down long enough to use a second shot to put an end to it. My opinion is that lesser cartridges wouldn't do that.

(Shrug) I'd likely use either my .243 or my 7mm08 if I were seriously hunting for a wolf. "Just because". :) Nuthin' wrong with low-recoil "overkill". :D

DM~
July 13, 2013, 07:50 PM
Well, i've been around a lot of wolves, and a lot of deer too... I've yet to see a wolf as big as even an average sized doe around here, let alone a nice buck!

The only advantage i've found that a CF has over a 22 Win. Mag. on a wolf is, i can shoot them further away, AT LEAST that's been MY experience...

Perhaps you guys have shot more wolves than i have??

DM

Art Eatman
July 13, 2013, 08:33 PM
I freely admit I don't know anything about hunting a wolf, but I do know a pretty good amount about killing critters around that size. I figure I'd use a centerfire on a large feral dog, rather than a .22 Mag.

sk8r
July 13, 2013, 09:37 PM
When it's real cold up here, I get a lot of wolves comin' around my place. I like to use the pelts, so my .22 Mag is always the ticket. Never take a shot outside 80 yards, and always right in the boiler room. I could go with my 22-250 or even my .308 if I just wanted them dead, but I need the fur.

CPLofMARINES
July 13, 2013, 11:36 PM
Folks, I've never shot one, let alone see one in the wild,
But I think the folks who think a .22 MAG or even a .223
Is the right medicine are very optimistic. The above calibers
Are fine for coyotes, but I think a wolf is a different animal,
No pun intended. The article I read, the author was
Shooting at a good distance, so he wanted something
That would take care of and anchor his prey. As they are
Wired a little different than your local yote. I think I feel
The same if I ever had the opportunity to hunt them.

caribou
July 14, 2013, 01:52 AM
Ive shot plenty of Wolves, ~DM, my reference to the .22mag is when I call them up and within 100 yards of myself. Thats usually in the trees around here, as the trees grow where the permafrost is a bit deeper melted.
Much like you, I would take a high powerd rifle, as my Tundra is wide open
I prefer 7.62X54r simply for the 'reach' it gives, with FMJ's to keep the hide as it should be.

Ive posted this before, but its a good example of the extra reach a good rifle will have;
Klik it, its a vid......
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/th_Wolf.jpg (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/Wolf.mp4)

As it was noted, ALL bullets are killers, and a .22mag does the job quite well on Wolves within range, or finishing one off in a trap, as Wolves here in the Arctic are valuable 'fur'. Your choice of rilfe/bullets would have little to do with its lethality (Wolves are not bullet proof or magic by any means) but by where and how far you can place the shot. At least 50 over the years have been caught with my .22mag, and none got away, but 5X 's more with a higher power'd rifle. Its not optimism, its shot placement and opportunity, of which I have plenty of.

Lloyd Smale
July 14, 2013, 07:35 AM
Im sure not saying a 22 mag wont kill a wolf. Ive seen them kill a number of whitetails and even black bear. My point is if this were a what to use on whitetail post everybody would be crusifying the poster who suggested using a 22 mag. by the way around here an average doe barely goes a 100 lbs and most are around 90 and the wolves around here can easily go that big. I know Art im not going to get anywhere with this argument but it does make me chuckle. Kind of like if i post at the end of the summer that i shot 50 deer crop damage shooting in a farmers field where the deer are destroying his crops and taking money from his family a good many poster will about want to shoot me. But if i posted the same saying i was in TX and shot 50 hogs tearing up a farmers field or shot that many coyotes or ground hogs id be getting patted on the back. Same guys that go out themselves and kill deer think because i shoot a couple more then them im wrong. We are all killing animals be it a wolf, pig or deer. Theres not fancy word to change that. WE ARE KILLING and in my opinion owe it to the animal to do it cleanly and quickly. A wolf feels pain just like a deer does! If you doubt that check out your family dog next time hes hurt. To those who do use a rim fire i have to ask WHY? Its no harder to carry something like a 223 or even a light weight 243. I dont think anyone here needs to save the money that one shot of 22mag saves you over a 243 and if you handload which most of us do its probably not a penny more expensive. So why? Is it a stunt just to say you can do it? I guess ive said my peace and have done enough preaching for a sunday morning. So ill bow out of this one.;)

caribou
July 14, 2013, 07:28 PM
at least here, its Cold. Things snap crack and pop in the cold all the time, ice, ground, trees.

When howleing in a Wolf, or a pack, a .22mag isn't very loud at all, so when the Alpha and Beta are down with the first couple shots, the youngsters will still come in, howled right back in. This , in the dense trees where I do my callings along small rivers brings them into range, especially in deep snow. A Winchester 61 pump action is the BEST Fur gun around, as you don't take the sights from your eye and get the full power of the round.

Most times I hunt Wolves, I am checking traps, and the .22 mag is what I used to finish any Wolverine, Wolf, Lynx, Beaver or Otter held in leg holds or snare. Deep snow really helps slow them down.


Nothing wrong with having them get close as possible and use the gun you have in hand.

A larger rifle for open country is mucho better for such doings

MCgunner
July 14, 2013, 10:21 PM
Just to what Art was sayin' about vermin, my wife's uncle only owns one gun, a Ruger 10/22. Hogs come up to his house all the time. He takes 'em out with CCI mini mags to the head, HOGS, some pushing 300 lbs. He don't care if they crawl off into the woods and croak. As Josie said in a GREAT western movie, buzzards and worms gotta eat. :D He's put quite a few down DRT, though, with head shots. That don't make the .22LR a great choice for hog huntin', however. :D As I've stated, I took ONE large feral dog with a .22LR from a NAA mini revolver, 1 5/8" barrel from 20 yards or so, head shot. That bullet might have been packin' 50 ft lbs. :rolleyes: Dog just fell over. He was a big dog, my bud's Great Pyrenees was having a hard time with him and my bud called the dog off him so I could get the shot before his Pyrenees got hurt. That Pyrenees is one HELL of a big, bad dog, too. I don't want him on ME! That dog has killed, by himself, a 40 lb bobcat and numerous 'yotes. The little NAA was all we had at the time. Larry was impressed. :D I'd rather have had a rifle to do it, but I didn't since we were working with his goats and I shoot the little NAA quite well.

A Winchester 61 pump action is the BEST Fur gun around, as you don't take the sights from your eye and get the full power of the round.

I'd argue with you about my Remington 597 Magnum, a super accurate, reliable (in Texas) semi auto. That thing's pretty awesome, but I think up there in that cold I'd probably want the pump. :D I don't know how the semi would take that. I'd probably freeze first, though. LOL!

Willie Sutton
July 14, 2013, 11:51 PM
Funny how the guys that actually shoot them regularly know less than the armchair wolf hunters... :rolleyes:

Having *humanely* culled over 100 deer from the airport where I used to live over a period of some 30 years, using a .22 Mag, with 100% success (lung shots kill deer before they get to the edge of the airport), I do not doubt at all that a .22 mag is perfect wolf medicine when shots are well placed. Hunting for fur? Small hole(s) are better. Humane is as humane does: A reliable low-trauma kill is a humane kill. Poke a small hole thru a major blood vessel and the animal dies before it really knows that it's been hurt. Painful? I don't think so. Generally they don't go more than 10 yards.

Now.... a 7mm Mauser with military FMJ's (non-expanding) would be about perfect if you want to use centerfire, methinks. It's a "Bigger" small hole. It worked on 1000 Elephants for Bell, BTW... :D

.223 will sure kill them, but that exit hole ruins the hide....


Willie

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Lloyd Smale
July 15, 2013, 07:44 AM
Having *humanely* culled over 100 deer from the airport where I used to live over a period of some 30 years, using a .22 Mag in most states even the law makers stepped in and dont allow rimfires for deer hunting because there so underpowered. If i got caught shooting crop damage deer with a 22 mag it would be the end of my crop damage shooting. But then in michigan we cant just shoot them and let them lay or run off either.

jack44
July 15, 2013, 09:40 AM
In hunting 1 thing is key.......... SHOT PLACMENT!.My Savage Axis .223 can shoot a dime at 100 yards so yeah I would use that rifle and shoot the wolf under the ear into the brain steam once that cut it death is just seconds away.
PS that 55gr.bullet would make the brain into jelly!

Art Eatman
July 15, 2013, 10:23 AM
No argument, Willie, but airports are generally wide-open areas. That same distance in thick brush could easily result in a lost deer.

Circumstance and situation. No such thing as one size fits all.

Falcon
July 15, 2013, 10:31 AM
I would think the .270 is too much, and would cause extensive fur damage.

MCgunner
July 15, 2013, 12:19 PM
Hmm, well, how's about a .490" round ball? :D

When it doubt, go retro. :D Never was broke in the first place. If you are paranoid of a wolf pack attacking after the shot, just take along your '58 Remmy or ROA. Worked well on Dingos in "Quigly Down Under". :D

Justin Holder
July 15, 2013, 09:42 PM
If I was hunting somewhere where chances were good I could run into a half dozen or more of these, I'm sure as heck not going to be packing a .22 magnum as my first choice!

http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/pics/00small29770880.JPG

A .243win. would be my bare minimum. A .270 or .280 would be at the larger end of the practical scale IMO, but surely not overkill.

Willie Sutton
July 16, 2013, 01:02 AM
"Circumstance and situation. No such thing as one size fits all"


Precisely my point: What's best someplace might be worthless elsewhere.


"in most states even the law makers stepped in and dont allow rimfires for deer hunting because there so underpowered."

There's a difference between Nimrods hunting, and farmers culling. The airport is surrounded by pumpkin fields, and we are on a farm cull-permit. No minimum caliber is specified.

Second data point: My partner in deer-culling at the airport uses a single shot .22 with basic long rifle loads. He doesn't miss (average range 25 yards), and the deer go down and stay down. This is a noise-sensitive area in a place where suppressors are illegal, so... what works.. works. This works. Now if I could shoot suppressed, I'd use a .300 Blackout, but that's just me.



"But then in michigan we cant just shoot them and let them lay or run off either."

And neither do we, and I cannot remember ever not retrieving any. BTW I don't think the residents in the county old-folks home have eaten beef in a decade.



Obviously, Wolves go down when shot with a variety of things. Personally, I'd probably use a .223 for the darned things "just because". For those so inclined any of the 6mm stuff would likely be great too.



Willie

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caribou
July 16, 2013, 07:33 AM
Definitly use a Rifle/Caliber combo you can place the shot with, with total confidence.

Rifles and calibers may vary wildly, its placement that matters. The lungs are good, but often the only shot is in the butt. Often its a dead right there deal, sometimes they still go a couple hundred yards and you have to finnish them off. Depends on what vitals you hit.
I go for the double lung on Wolves when possible, they have a very narrow chest, and a very thin hide, with most of the fat around the organs rather than under the skin in Winter 'Prime'

Try to get close. Wolves have excellent eyesight and sense of smelling ,but they are also curious, and bullets fly faster then they can run.
Try howling, if they are young, they will come straight in out of curiosity, if they are old they will come cautiously out of natural Territory. Get the Alpha and Beta first, then howl the young ones back in a couple hours.
Ive done this when the A&B were in snares, and had the kids come right over.

Lloyd Smale
July 16, 2013, 07:41 AM
Willie when we do crop damage shooting we have to abide by the same laws that hunters do. We have the same shooting hours, have to use the same weapons and even have to wear an orange hat or vest. We cant shoot from a public road or out of a truck. I agree that something with a suppressor would be ideal as some dont like us out there and it would make it all a bit more out of the face of the public if you know what i mean. Yes even up here we have an occasional yuppy or peta fan.

DM~
July 16, 2013, 10:04 PM
Funny how the guys that actually shoot them regularly know less than the armchair wolf hunters... :rolleyes:
Willie


Of all the posters on this thread, only 3 have any amount of wolf shooting experience, and all three agree that the 22 Win. Mag. will get the job done.

Then there's alll those "other" posters who never killed a wolf, many have never even seen a wild wolf and they call us "lacking??"

Now, there's a chuckle for you!! lol lol

When i was young, southern Michigan allowed 22 Win. Mags to be used on deer in the shotgun zones. We killed a pile of deer with 22 mags, and i can truthfully say we never lost even one deer.

Like Caribou keeps saying, it's all about shot placement and we were raised to make our shots count.

BTW, i average 50 pounds of boned out meat, out of an average doe around here...

DM

Art Eatman
July 16, 2013, 11:35 PM
DM~, to a great extent, the choice is affected by time. It's one thing if you live where there is a good huntable population and can learn from that. But the guy who has only few days in that new-to-him territory might only get a shot beyond what such as a .22 Magnum will handle.

I see it in my desert mule deer country. A guy comes out with only two or three days of hunting time available to him, and the only shootable buck might show up at 400 yards. I really don't think that I'd advise the use of a .22 Magnum--which could work quite well in the swamp/jungle along the Appalachicola River below Blountstown.

Nobody was ever born an expert anything...

Lloyd Smale
July 17, 2013, 07:53 AM
nope never killed a wolf. You go to jail for that here. But to say you have to kill a wolf to know what it takes is wrong. If i killed 200 whitetail deer would i not have a pretty good grasp on what it takes to kill a mule deer or antelope. If i killed 200 elk would i not have a pretty good grasp on what it takes to kill a red stag? Wolves at least the larger ones around here are about the same size as an average whitetail doe. Both thin skinned and close in bone size. Why would a 22mag be plenty of gun for them and not for a whitetail. Again im surely not saying a 22 mag wont kill both at 25 yards but id about bet if you shoot enough and especially if you stretch the range with one your going to eventualy find it lacking. Its kind of like guys saying that thousands of deer were shot back in the day with 3220s 2520s 4440s ect. there are better guns now and id bet few use those old rounds anymore. Sure a 22 mag will kill but i think why would i take it when ive got a 22250, 223, 243 ect that will do it better. I was never one that had to prove i could get away with using the smallest gun for the job because im such a talented shot. I take pride in the fact i not only am a fair shot but use enough gun to do the job effeciently. Is that wrong?

DM~
July 17, 2013, 09:10 AM
nope never killed a wolf. You go to jail for that here. But to say you have to kill a wolf to know what it takes is wrong. If i killed 200 whitetail deer would i not have a pretty good grasp on what it takes to kill a mule deer or antelope.


Lets turn that around... IF you killed 200 deer with your cartridge of choise, would you then know if it worked well on deer???? Geeeeee, don't you think the pile of wolves the 3 of us have killed with a 22 mag. allows us to know what we are talking about?

Sometimes i wonder if posters read what's written, OR only get what they want to see...

I never said the 22 mag was a long range cartridge. I never said it was for everyone or should be used by everyone. I AM saying that at least 3 of us here on this thread, have found it VERY effective and reliable to get the job done!

I only started posting on this thread because some posters said the 22 mag. wasn't enough...EXPERIENCE has shown me and a few others differently.

I think actually DOING something is more telling than sitting in a lazy boy with a laptop!

DM

Lloyd Smale
July 18, 2013, 08:07 AM
ill bow to the fact that for the way you hunt it has worked.

Art Eatman
July 18, 2013, 10:39 AM
DM~, at what distances are you talking about for the .22 Magnum?

If you had reason to believe that your shot-probability would be out at 200 or 300 yards, would you select a .22 Magnum as the rifle to take with you?

MCgunner
July 18, 2013, 11:18 AM
The .22 mag starts to drop off the planet at 150 yards, but it's VERY eccurate and effecive to 100. Sighted for 100, mine is on well enough to kill squirrel (tried and proven) at 50. :D VERY flat shooting compared to any .22LR, that's for sure. It's a little much for squirrel, but it gets the job done to 100 yards, 1.5" accurate at that range.

We have no wolves, of course, last Red went extinct in Texas in the early 80s due to the coyotes moving in and breeding 'em out of existence. They were endangered, anyway, but I have seen 'em in the wild, looked like a large German Shepherd. At 100, I do not think I'd have a problem with the .22 mag on one. Now, Reds are smaller than Greys, but neither is bullet proof, very thin skinned, no need for a head shot.

JMHO. I know I've never shot a wolf, so I just compare it to large feral dogs which I have taken with a lot less. I'll shoot 'em with whatever I have to shoot 'em with. I don't actually go hunting for 'em or even coyotes. Only 'yotes I've ever shot were with the deer rifle I had on me as I've only ever taken 'em while deer hunting. Killed 'em dead, of course, but I wasn't hunting for fur, either. The .22 mag packs a much better punch than I'd ever thought it would when I finally traded a guy for mine. He wanted the little 50cc motorcycle and I wanted to get rid of it, another gun seemed reasonable to me even though I thought the caliber kinda worthless. I admit, I was WRONG about the caliber. I don't shoot deer with it, but it's plenty for small pigs or even bigger ones with a head shot. If I actually go pig hunting, I'll take a bigger rifle, probably my .308, but I keep the .22 mag ready for things I see in the yard. I'm more worried about 'yotes (we have tons of 'yotes) getting after my chickens than I am hogs in the yard, but I've already shot a sow that was raiding my yard with her young'ns. We just moved here 6 months ago. The critters that live around here and the short ranges at which one may see 'em makes the .22 mag far more useful that I'd ever thought. NOW, I won't trade that .22 mag away. :D The guy called me back some time ago wanting to know if I'd sell it back to him. I denied the offer. :D

Now, if a wolf is outside .22 mag range, say 300 yards, I'm sure the center fire .22s can handle it. The OP's claim that .270 is minimum, might bounce off or something, is a tad ridiculous. That's all I'm saying, really. Heck, I know a guy that takes ELK with the .270, loves the gun/cartridge.

DM~
July 18, 2013, 11:47 AM
DM~, at what distances are you talking about for the .22 Magnum?

If you had reason to believe that your shot-probability would be out at 200 or 300 yards, would you select a .22 Magnum as the rifle to take with you?
Art, if you had reason to believe that your shot-probability would be out at 25 or 30 yards, would you select a .270 as the rifle to take with you?

That's the same kind of question, and of course, you never know what distance an animal will come out so should we all carry .338x378 Wby's "just in case???"

I shoot Winchester 40 grain HP's in my 22 mag. and i know that one of those in the boiler room of a wolf, even at 125 yrds produces a very dead wolf...and NO it won't run far.

DM

Art Eatman
July 18, 2013, 10:03 PM
Well, that's why I mentioned circumstance and that no one size fits all. I'd not argue against the .22 Mag, for certain circumstances. It's just not the be-all and end-all for all situations.

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DM~
July 18, 2013, 10:25 PM
Well, that's why I mentioned circumstance and that no one size fits all. I'd not argue against the .22 Mag, for certain circumstances. It's just not the be-all and end-all for all situations.


I'd like to know who said it was??? Did i miss a post here?

NO cartridge is, not even the centerfires... AND it's why i carry both, a RF and a CF more than 99% of the time.

DM

MCgunner
July 19, 2013, 11:57 AM
I've often though of folks pulling a golf bag on a buggy. "Hmm, that shot's 250 yards". "Think I'll use the .223 iron on that one." :D I think a .22-250 is a GREAT compromise for wolf sized critters given a proper bullet. An explosive bulled at shorter ranges would ruin the pelt a bit. :D A FMJ might not stop him instantly enough if hunting in heavy cover, could lose a pelt, but out on the tundra like Caribou hunts, hey, just watch him till he drops. :D Any heavy caliber military round with a FMJ should work, though, and minimize damage.

I think someone probably posted this sentiment already, though, back before it turned into a .22 magnum bash. :rolleyes:

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