Thinking about a Stag 3G......


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DeerHuntr
July 4, 2013, 08:50 AM
Wondering your opinion on them. It will be my first AR and I don't really want to build one right out of the gate but don't want a POS either. Looking for accuracy and reliability and the sales guy said it has a lifetime transferable warranty and a "moa guarantee so it seems to fit the bill. It will be mostly a range toy with the occasional prairie dog and coyote hunt thrown in. It looks to be a very nice rifle and of high quality. Also looked at a RRA coyote carbine which was nice and a little cheaper as well as a bushmaater. The selection around d here is starting to come back but still no where near what it was. Opinions appreciated

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Huskerguy
July 4, 2013, 09:25 AM
I have a Stag Model 2 and love it. I was just like you, it was my first and it is a shooter. I have just recently put my own together through PSA. In my opinion, you can't go wrong with the stag. They are dependable and it eats anything I put in it including reloads of various types and non-brass ammo. The price is right on the Stag as well.

ObsceneJesster
July 4, 2013, 09:32 AM
The Stag is fine. The salesman guaranteeing sub MOA is a different story. :-*

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HJ857
July 4, 2013, 09:34 AM
I bought a 3G upper about two years ago. It is really nice and the Evolution rail is sweet. However, I think the 1/2 moa guarantee is seriously optimistic. One moa I could accept and mine shoots a hot load to close to that.

hacksaw
July 4, 2013, 09:48 AM
I have had a Stag 3G for about a year now, LOVE it! Best trigger I have used to date, more accurate than I am, even with bulk ammo. No reliability issues to date.

DPris
July 4, 2013, 11:56 AM
I have a Stag 3, the only non-Colt among four ARs here.
Quite like it.
Much better trigger than the last two new Colts that came through. :)
Denis

DeerHuntr
July 4, 2013, 12:16 PM
I laughed at his moa statement as well, I'm not capable of it as a shooter so I will never know. Hoping to hold 1" groups , if I can do that I will be happy and the prairie dogs will not!!

HJ857
July 4, 2013, 05:54 PM
When I was comparison shopping the RRA ATH and the Predator Pursuit were also high on my list and probably slightly more accurate than the Stag. But the Stag could easily be found in stock and RRA has/had a ship time that was way too long for my taste. I've not regretted going with the 3G ever.

One note though since you mention varmint hunting and target use. The Stage muzzle brake is great for shooting offhand but is not good at all if rested. The brake sends all the gas upwards and it drives the barrel down. It's not so bad if you're rested on bags, but if you use a bipod it will bounce at lot, more than enough to throw your sight line off so that you won't see your impact. Something like the PWS FSC556 brake sends all the gas off to the sides and it's easy to see your hits (or misses), especially off bags. Just a thought.

If you handload, mine really likes the Hornady 53 grain Vmax with a max load of TAC. I can get 1 to 1.25 moa out to 550 yards.

ObsceneJesster
July 4, 2013, 06:02 PM
I never understood the breaks or comps designed to direct the gasses upwards and the muzzle down. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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DeerHuntr
July 14, 2013, 12:11 AM
Picked it up tonight!! Had to skimp on the scope a little bit but it will work for the time being. Excited to go to the range and try it out. Wish me luck.

DeerHuntr
July 14, 2013, 12:14 AM
When I was comparison shopping the RRA ATH and the Predator Pursuit were also high on my list and probably slightly more accurate than the Stag. But the Stag could easily be found in stock and RRA has/had a ship time that was way too long for my taste. I've not regretted going with the 3G ever.

One note though since you mention varmint hunting and target use. The Stage muzzle brake is great for shooting offhand but is not good at all if rested. The brake sends all the gas upwards and it drives the barrel down. It's not so bad if you're rested on bags, but if you use a bipod it will bounce at lot, more than enough to throw your sight line off so that you won't see your impact. Something like the PWS FSC556 brake sends all the gas off to the sides and it's easy to see your hits (or misses), especially off bags. Just a thought.

If you handload, mine really likes the Hornady 53 grain Vmax with a max load of TAC. I can get 1 to 1.25 moa out to 550 yards.
Loaded some 53gr hornady match on top of 26.5gr varget for it. This evening. Hope it holds 1moa if it does I will be happy

HJ857
July 14, 2013, 07:19 PM
Looking forward to your results, and your review overall.

Jackal
July 14, 2013, 08:12 PM
Should have gotten one of these http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/featured/psa-16-pa-15-hf-ss12g2-carbine.html

JShirley
July 14, 2013, 09:16 PM
Well, that's just rude and insulting.

Fishbed77
July 15, 2013, 03:45 PM
Should have gotten one of these http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...2-carbine.html

PSA makes great rifles (probably closer to mil-spec than Stag), but this is not a fair comparison at all to the Stag 3G.

The Stag 3G is a "race gun" rifle that is specifically set up for 3-gun, and has a stainless 18" fluted heavy barrel and a Geisele 3-gun trigger. The PSA rifle you've linked is set up as a defensive carbine with a standard AR trigger and a 16" hammer-forged chrome-lined barrel. Both are great rifles, but are intended for completely different uses.

HJ857
July 15, 2013, 05:22 PM
Machine Gun Steel and extra thick chrome plating. It makes me think the catch phrase for that rifle should be "AK accuracy in an AR package".

But, I don't know how true that really is. I wouldn't mind hearing some reviews of that rifle by actual users.

benzy2
July 15, 2013, 10:16 PM
I would have taken the 3G over that PSA if it were my money. You can't beat a Geissele trigger. Looks like a decent barrel and brake (if you want a brake). The hand guard is quality. The rest seems built to spec too. Not sure it will be a 1/2 MOA rifle but it should be very good at its designed purpose.

Fishbed77
July 15, 2013, 10:17 PM
Machine Gun Steel and extra thick chrome plating. It makes me think the catch phrase for that rifle should be "AK accuracy in an AR package".

But, I don't know how true that really is. I wouldn't mind hearing some reviews of that rifle by actual users.


The PSA rifles with the FN hammer-forged barrels are actually quite accurate. There's plenty of reviews out there of them.

Regardless, the PSA rifle linked is not closely comparable to the Stag 3G, as it was designed for a completely different purpose. If I was going into a situation where my life was on the line, I'd take that PSA over the Stag in a heartbeat. If I was running 3-gun or punching paper, sure - the Stag 3G is a better gun for that role.

allaroundhunter
July 15, 2013, 10:31 PM
I never understood the breaks or comps designed to direct the gasses upwards and the muzzle down. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Do you not understand why they are used or how they work? If the latter, they work by using laws of physics. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The gas is forced upwards, and as a result exerts a force on the gun downwards.


OP, I have a Stag 3G upper and a Super 3 Gun trigger in my competition (3 gun) rifle. It is a sweet shooting little thing, but unless you handload that 1/2 MOA ain't gonna happen (and even then, maybe not). I have about 8,000 rounds through mine since October when I got it and I haven't had a single malfunction.

At matches I regularly shoot it out to 500 yards, and occasionally have taken it to 650. Once you figure out your holds, then gun will do its job.

DeerHuntr
July 17, 2013, 09:17 PM
Shot it on Sunday, put about 90rds through it I suppose. Really love the rifle, really hated the scope. I put a Redfield Revenge 4-12 on it. I had read some decent reviews on it but no matter what I did I couldn't get it to focus right and its tracking was terrible. We're talking 10-12 clicks @ 100yds to move it 1". I had eyestrain so bad I developed a headache for the rest of the day. Contacted the retailer I bought everything from and he let me return it on Monday. Spent a little more but ended up with a Nikon Buckmaster 4.4-14x40SF with BDC, this ones clear as a bell. So I get to sight in again but that's OK hopefully it goes better. It shot pretty well anyway even with my eyes buggin out of my head.

DeerHuntr
July 17, 2013, 09:24 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/11t2841.pngThis was at 100yds just pretty much continuously shooting not really taking any time at all. Off of a rest of course. I am a self proclaimed terrible target shooter so it did pretty well in my opinion especially with my scope issues. Excited to get out and try it again!!

http://i39.tinypic.com/162734k.jpg

dvdcrr
July 17, 2013, 11:11 PM
I built a similar rifle, mine is a 20" delton gov profile (to save a little weight) with yhm smooth float tube, SSA-E trigger. I cut/filed down the a2 front sight to create a low profile gas block. They are very nice rifles.

powder
July 18, 2013, 12:30 AM
Skip the stag/dpms stuff and go Colt, unless money is the issue then get what you can...

allaroundhunter
July 18, 2013, 01:44 AM
Skip the stag/dpms stuff and go Colt, unless money is the issue then get what you can...

I got to shoot Colt's some titian rifles before owing with my Stag 3G upper. They were nothing special, and they didn't have the balance that the Stag did... Nor did they have the trigger.

When we are talking defensive rifles, sure Colt is one that stands out... But when you go to competition, the same cannot be said.

HJ857
July 18, 2013, 10:37 AM
I'd say that grouping is more than enough for 3 Gun. I recall that my 3G improved a good bit after a couple hundred rounds and a couple cleanings.

With the 53 Vmax I can shoot from 1-1.25" groups at a hundred, but can also get 5-5.5" groups at 550 yards, depending on consistent wind and favorable mirage conditions.

For a fairly heavy barrel, the 3G has good balance and the Samson tube is fantastic. I'm betting that you'll have no regrets with it.

powder
July 18, 2013, 10:51 AM
When we are talking defensive rifles, sure Colt is one that stands out... But when you go to competition, the same cannot be said.

LOL! Hmm, where would you find the higher level of competition: shooting paper in a field, or in a field that has bullets coming back at you?
I can appreciate what you are trying to say. However, a "competition" for survival, literally walking off the field being the guy w/o bullet holes? Enough already.
There is a similar fascination as with motorcycles and track day riders, thinking they are actually racing- trackday riding is not competition. Timed shooting @ paper is great for physical practice, but "competition"? No.
I see the OP picked the Stag, so it's all moot. Carry on.

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