Gifford's "Rights and Responsibilities" Seven State Tour


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Midwest
July 5, 2013, 11:36 AM
Gifford's "Rights and Responsibilities" Seven State Tour

Gabrielle Giffords and her husband Kelly were in Cincinnati yesterday during the Northside's Fourth Of July Parade. They are in the midst of a seven state tour promoting (what seems to be) "universal backgound checks". They started out in Nevada and today will bring them to New Hampshire.
This tour was heavily reported by Cincinnati media.

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Gabby-Giffords-Mark-Kelly-Attend-Northside-Parade/9I8R_ukXuU6pF8hTb_Fd-w.cspx


"Giffords and her husband are both gun owners. They were introduced by a lifetime member of the NRA. They say they're not anti-gun, just anti-gun violence and argue background checks are needed for all gun purchases."


If this sounds a bit familiar, just recently there was the MAIG 25 state tour, which included Ohio as one of the 10 states in which Bloomberg spoke at. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=719941

Now it gets more interesting. In between the MAIG tour and the Giffords tour, there was a poll done which showed that 76% of Ohioans supported expanded background checks. I saw this on WDTN channel 2 out of Dayton Ohio.
http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/ohio/poll-ohioans-want-expanded-gun-checks#.UdbgUdjB-So

"The poll taken June 18-23 surveyed 941 voters, for a margin of error of plus-or-minus 3.2 percentage points."

I would like to know what area or areas were the 941 people surveyed from? Cleveland? Columbus? As surely one major city is not representative of the entire state. It said that the poll was released by Quinnipiac University which is located in Hamden Connecticut. (Which is 40 minutes from Newtown CT from what it is worth).


To me this looks like Ohio is really being targeted (pardon the pun) by the anti-gunners. So far the Bloomberg circus comes to Ohio, then there was (in my own opinion) a questionable poll about expanded background checks and now the Giffords tour.

But it is not just Ohio, New Hampshire was one of the states that Bloomberg was said to have spoke at on the 10 state MAIG list and now NH is on the Giffords 7 state tour list as well.

To summarize, not only is there the Bloomberg Circus but there is the Giffords tour and possibly some questionable polls being bandied about as well. Be aware that your state might be targeted as well.

Education is the key, pamphlets and and posters can be effective tools. People must be aware what expanded or universal background checks could really mean. While nice sounding terms like "universal background checks" and "expanded background checks" sound safe, sane,smart and cozy ...Such wording could mean that even lending your spouse your firearm, or letting your son or daughter shoot could someday become a crime.

I don't think that Ohio poll and the Giffords tour were mentioned here on THR. We need to be aware of what is going on.

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Fred Fuller
July 5, 2013, 11:41 AM
I had seen this story...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57591962/gabrielle-giffords-kicks-off-gun-control-campaign-by-shooting-at-firing-range/

By STEPHANIE CONDON / CBS NEWS/ July 2, 2013, 10:48 AM
Gabrielle Giffords kicks off gun control campaign by shooting at firing range

Old Fuff
July 5, 2013, 12:10 PM
Most of that (give or take) 76% is made up of people who are not particularly well informed or even intersted in the issue. But depending on how the questions are framed they won't hesitate to offer an opinion.

The real question is how many of them will take the time, and make the effort to vote in an off-year election; and how many will pick this issue when trying to decide which candidate to vote for - if indeed they vote for anyone.

Also we need to own up to the fact that many gun owners support UBC legislation because it's been made to sound... reasonable, and they don't understand that once it's in place they won't be able to sell their personally owned firearms in a face-to-face transaction without going through an FFL and likely having to pay what could be a hefty fee. :eek:

Somehow the Giffords and Bloomberg don't get around to mentioning this, so it's up to us to do so.

Cosmoline
July 5, 2013, 12:42 PM
They swung through here earlier this week. It's a sad joke. Purporting to "lobby" our Senators, Kelly capped off a few at Birchwood (which raised some ire from members), they walked around downtown Anchorage, met with a tiny group of unidentified "gun owners", and then announced to the press that Alaskans agree with them about background checks. At a "press conference" where no questions were taken.

Then they left.

Minds changed? Zero. It was a glorified photo op. If this is the big plan, I'm not too fearful. As far as activism, there's a debate about whether they should have been allowed to shoot at Birchwood for the photo opp. On the one hand it gives Kelly some claim at "gun owner" status, but on the other it reinforces his hypocrisy. I guess they could be barred at the gates, but that would be spun into another example of RKBA people being "bullies."

Personally I'm not for changing range rules because a particular person is an anti.

Shadow 7D
July 5, 2013, 01:02 PM
It's BS..
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130702/giffords-misses-mark-pitch-alaska-stricter-federal-gun-regulations

The couple's time on the ground in Alaska was tightly controlled: Local press was kept separate from Giffords and Kelly during a closed conversation with nine hand-picked Alaskan gun owners at Hotel Captain Cook. Giffords did not take direct questions Tuesday but did pose for pictures and video with others in the group, before another photo op with the couple's dog, Nelson.

Read comments, look at the new coverage, the locals are locked out, the 9 gun owners, at least 2 were current for former Dem lawmakers, most were known political activists...
And... here's the kicker, they are traveling with POOL reporters, NO questions, NO 'open' discussion. This is a PR stunt.

hso
July 5, 2013, 03:03 PM
So what do we do with this information?

Outing them before they get to a stop seems like a good initial approach. Identify the local news outlets that are less biased and forward info from the previous stops showing it is just a PR campaign instead of an honest effort. Try to identify when they'll be in town and show up at the "press conference" and ask why they're not taking questions.

Midwest
July 5, 2013, 03:36 PM
Another approach is to point out how these so called expanded universal checks could end up making normal firearm activities suddenly illegal. It could make criminals out of parents wanting to teach their children how to shoot, spouses shooting each others firearms at a range, or a wife defending herself with her husbands gun.

Universal expanded background checks could lead to universal registration (which is something that the anti-gunners have long wanted). Then there will be a burden of proof on the owner on how he or she acquired that firearm. This will open up a huge can of worms.

Since the anti-gunners seemed to have taken a softer tactic via the Giffords tour "See we are gun owners too (just like you) and we just want to be 'responsible' ". Especially when they appear in a fourth of July parade in an Midwest conservative city in an important political so called 'swing state'. This method flies under the radar as opposed to if someone like Bloomberg or Feinstein talked about banning some firearms.

What to do with the information? Warn others about what is going on with the Giffords and how they are flying under the radar with their 'soft approach' to gun control. What happened in Alaska is an excellent example on how this is carefully coordinated and orchestrated (Post # 5). Pointing out how they used Independence Day to promote gun control in Cincinnati (call it what it is) is a disgrace.

I think some web pages exposing "Universal Background Checks" are needed. The Giffords need to be exposed to what they are doing. Education is the key.

The anti's are following a different strategy , first it is the hard sell (Feinstein and 'lets ban this' podium). Then the Bloomberg MAIG mid-sell tour, and now the soft sell "See we are one of you but lets have 'universal expanded background checks". Except they are NOT one of us, just using the appearance of being one of us to promote an anti-gun agenda via the soft sell approach. We need to educate to explain what is really happening. Web pages, pamphlets at gun stores, education at gun ranges are good starting points.

yzguy87
July 5, 2013, 04:31 PM
We've been hearing and seeing a lot of this junk recently on the local news here. I saw the nonsense about that pole but I have no idea where they got the info. I've lived here all my life and most of the people I know and have met from here think the gun control issue is full of it.

The fight to keep all of our rights will never be over and we must always make our voices heard and votes counted.

Deltaboy
July 5, 2013, 06:30 PM
They are playing the sympathy card to advance their anti gun agenda.

yzguy87
July 5, 2013, 06:55 PM
They're not getting any sympathy from me. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad that she got shot. But Mark Kelly proved himself to be a hypocrite when he bought the AR-15 and 1911.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that he lied about the intentions of the purchase when people asked why he was buying the very product he opposes.
I'm not calling names but if the shoe fits... he needs to wear it!!!!

Kevin Rohrer
July 5, 2013, 08:42 PM
Apparently the Giffords have lost track of reality and must not see the news very often. There are far more important issues now than the nonsense they are pushing.

Black Butte
July 6, 2013, 12:06 AM
If you want to see Mark Kelly's idea of "responsibility," get on YouTube and search for "Mark Kelly's pit bull kills baby seal." After watching the video, I'm amazed this guy thinks he has the moral authority to tell others how they should behave.

Fred Fuller
July 7, 2013, 12:13 PM
http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/former_rep_gabby_giffords_husband_confirmed_for_raleigh_visit_sunday

Former Rep. Gabby Giffords, husband confirmed for Raleigh visit Sunday
Submitted by cjarvis on 2013-07-05 20:24

But they won't confirm where or when in advance...

jfrey
July 7, 2013, 03:20 PM
Is Giffords too stupid to know we already have back ground checks??? Her own liberal government set it up years ago. Her husband is just using her as a pawn just like Sarah Brady has done with her husband for years. They have a specific "anti" agenda and trying to disguise it with sympathy.

I want to know why NRA, GOA, or SAF aren't going after her like a rabid dog, exposing the hypocrisy she and her husband are spewing all across the country?

Kiln
July 7, 2013, 03:31 PM
She has the right to speak her mind. We have the responsibility not to listen.

Midwest
July 7, 2013, 05:21 PM
I want to know why NRA, GOA, or SAF aren't going after her like a rabid dog, exposing the hypocrisy she and her husband are spewing all across the country?
I think we need to tell those organizations about this. Remember they are doing a "soft sell" approach to gun control, insisting that 'they are one of us' yet asking for "universal expanded background checks". Unlike Feinstein's and Bloomberg's rantings ...the Giffords message is flying under the radar. Maybe sending a quick note and a link to this thread to those organizations and groups could go a long way.

Magnuumpwr
July 7, 2013, 05:29 PM
Being a public official put a person out for public scrutiny. Public figures since the before the beginning of recorded time have been targets of the public. They have been stabbed, poisoned, shot, or blown up. With that being said, it should be expected that if you become a public figure, you could be a target. To expect anything less would be pure ignorance.

Fred Fuller
July 7, 2013, 07:11 PM
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/07/3015151/giffords-nc-group-both-claim-to.html

Giffords, N.C. group both claim to represent gun owners best interests
Published: July 7, 2013 Updated 1 hour ago

GEM
July 7, 2013, 08:26 PM
Attacking her directly is very stupid. It might make the extremes of the choir chuckle but will give her more credibility.

Discuss her position with logic and facts. Insult her and you disgrace the RKBA and make us look poorly. Express concern and sympathy for her.

Frank Ettin has talked about the PR responsibility of the believers in the RKBA.

jack44
July 7, 2013, 10:05 PM
That woman is a lot like a nate flying around your face! I wish she just go away!.

jfrey
July 7, 2013, 11:28 PM
Well GEM, I just want someone or group who can get an audience to expose her and her husband to be the liars they are. They may own guns but that doesn't put them on our side or speak for us. I'm sure the people responsible for the nine deaths and many more wounded in Chicago THIS weekend all had background checks to buy their weapons. See how well it works.

Mark Kelly should have been arrested for lieing on the 4473, but instead he is running around the country trying to circumvent our rights.

hso
July 7, 2013, 11:35 PM
Maybe sending a quick note and a link to this thread to those organizations and groups could go a long way.

You can't honestly think they're not intimately familiar with every aspect of the tour?

GEM is exactly on target. It would be a terrible mistake to attack her personally, but by expressing sympathy for her and implying her grief stricken husband is being used by the likes of the Brady Campaign and other Antis and you marginalize them. Point out that there's no schedule of their visits, no questions taken at the "press conferences" and that their handlers don't want them being quizzed for fear of everyone seeing they're empty shells and their purpose comes into question.

jack44
July 8, 2013, 03:18 PM
Her and her husband have NOTHING to bring to the table as far as gun control goes. There are more then 40k laws on the books but this AG does nothing I wonder why!.

brickeyee
July 8, 2013, 04:07 PM
They are playing the sympathy card to advance their anti gun agenda.

Sure looks like it.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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