Remington 22 LR 36 gr Golden Bullet Plated HP


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random_gun
July 8, 2013, 04:38 AM
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I inspected the rounds before put them into the magazine. And the bullets split before they leave the magazine....The damaged rounds can't be loaded into the chamber and bolt won't close.... Seriously I tried like 70 rounds probably had 20 like this...3 bad rounds per magazine.....
Remington is not ashamed for making products of this quality? CCI, Federer, even Remington Thunderbolt worked fine in the mark iii 22/45... These golden bullets are totally BS....

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wally
July 8, 2013, 08:39 AM
The Golden Bullet bulk packs have been bad for a long time, I quit buying them years ago.

Remington Thunderbolt used to be OK but since they switched from the "waxy" lube to some kind of shiny polymer its given me terrible leading problems in all my pistols so I've quit buying it too.

Hamish
July 8, 2013, 09:04 AM
Even though 22LR ammo is scarce, I'd rather go without than shoot Remington 22LR ammo. It is inaccurate, unreliable, poorly made, and dirty to shoot. I shoot CCI almost exclusively now in all of my various .22s.

Charger442
July 8, 2013, 09:23 AM
just had a discussion with my Dad about this a couple of weeks ago. He was saying how great the Golden Bullets were shooting for him (accuracy and dependability) and i told him I thought they were complete trash, which they are.

Getting down to the root of it, he said his were an older lot of ammo, probably some he has had for 15+ years. The last Golden Bullet pack i bought was probably a year and a half ago. Just goes to show how terrible Remington's rimfire QC has become over the last decade.

i told him to shoot up the pack he had from years ago and don't try to buy anymore new ones because he would be disappointed and think he wasted his money.

bannockburn
July 8, 2013, 09:36 AM
I gave up trying to shoot Remington Golden Bullet ammo many years ago. Even in this .22LR shortage I wouldn't buy it if it was the only ammo in the store.

dogtown tom
July 8, 2013, 09:41 AM
random_gun .......I inspected the rounds before put them into the magazine. And the bullets split before they leave the magazine....
That's not Remingtons fault, those soft lead bullets behaved exactly like they are supposed to...........it's your gun that is at fault.

If you inspected the rounds prior to loading, one would assume everything was fine.

Damage to the bullet nose was caused by YOUR GUN.......not Remington.
Try a different magazine.

Taurus 617 CCW
July 8, 2013, 10:51 AM
I am finding similar problems with the newest batches of Winchester .22 ammo. They wouldn't even load into a revolver cylinder.

dogtown tom
July 8, 2013, 01:03 PM
IT'S A MISSFEED PROBLEM PEOPLE!!!!!!

Has nothing to do with the ammunition.

rcmodel
July 8, 2013, 01:42 PM
+1

Nothing to do with the ammo.

Your gun is damaging them during feeding when they run into the feed ramp or front edge of the magazine.

rc

RussellC
July 8, 2013, 03:14 PM
I had this happening with some CCI ammo in my RUGER 10/22 and RUGER hi cap clips.(BX-25) The bullets looked just like those in the picture. Only the CCI mini mags from a 100 rnd box did this. Federals and two other brands functioned flawlessly. What ever is wrong with my gun, it only happens with 1 out of 3 ammos. Apparently, it WAS something with the gun/clip as taking the clip apart, inspecting and reassembly left it and the ammo functioning "normally" go figure...

Russellc

rondog
July 8, 2013, 04:05 PM
IT'S A MISSFEED PROBLEM PEOPLE!!!!!!

Has nothing to do with the ammunition.


Unless the ammo is too weak to cycle the action properly......

Could also be a dirty gun, weak/worn out spring(s), many things.

But I have the greatest number of problems and misfires with Remington .22lr ammo. People don't call 'em Thunderduds for nothing.

skoro
July 8, 2013, 04:17 PM
I used to think that Remington ammo would be the perfect thing for my Remington 552 rifle. Using their "golden bullets" I experienced every kind of ammo failure imaginable. I thought it was the rifle, so took it to a gunsmith. He gave it back and said it's working perfectly. Since then I use Federal, CCI, Winchester and Aguila ammo and never have those problems.

Draw your own conclusion; I've drawn mine. ;)

aarondhgraham
July 8, 2013, 05:05 PM
I had that exact same problem last week,,,
Remington Golden Bullets would not feed properly,,,
They hung and damaged the bullet exactly as in your pictures.

The gun was a base model Ruger 22/45,,,
You could tell the cartridges were not pointing up correctly,,,
We had the same mis-feed problem with all three of his Ruger magazines.

We loaded some federal Bulk Pack and could see the ammo pointing up properly,,,
We didn't have any mis-feeding problems with that ammo,,,
CCI Mini-Mags worked perfectly as well.

I might add that the Remington worked perfectly out of my CZ-75B Kadet,,,
It was only with the Ruger 22/45 that we experienced that feed problem.

Later on I compared the CCI & Federal with the Remington cartridges,,,
The total length of the Remington cartridge was slightly less than the Federal & CCI.

When I say slightly I mean less than a 1/16 of an inch shorter,,,
But it was consistent after looking at a handful of the three different brands.

I have many thousands of Federal and about 2,000 of the Remington,,,
The Remington shoots fine from my revolvers and bolt rifles,,,
So I'm happy to have it to conserve my other ammo.

Aarond

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jrdolall
July 8, 2013, 05:11 PM
Of all the ammo I have shot in the past year I would agree that Remington Golden is the most prone to failures in my assortment of semis. It shoots fine out of my bolts and revolvers as I rarely have a dud in any of those guns and some are old and rusty.

wally
July 8, 2013, 05:16 PM
It was only with the Ruger 22/45 that we experienced that feed problem.

The Ruger pistols often show this particular problem with the Golden Bullet -- they "fold" instead of climbing the feed ramp causing this issue. None of the other ammo I've ever used in our Rugers experiences this. Guns with gentler feed paths don't generally show this problem. These failures, the high dud rate, and too frequent blown rims that happen in all pistols is why I quit buying it.

ArchAngelCD
July 9, 2013, 05:21 AM
Since those golden bullets are so bad I'll help y'all out and take them off your hands. I'll shoot just about anything as long as I'm not competing! lol

Davek1977
July 9, 2013, 05:49 AM
Missfeed? Magazine!? I love that you are all actually arguing about who's the cheapest person... Huh? I see no such thing going on, just a simple statement of fact as to whats causing the issue. No one is saying anyone is cheaper than the next guy, but rather people are sharing their real world experiences with this ammo and why it casues the type of damage to ammo as shown in the OP. Its not a matter of someone being cheaper than someone else....its a matter of addressing the problem, which is what people tried to do. Not sure what you mean.....?

340PD
July 9, 2013, 08:55 AM
I am a range officer and we have a dud bucket for unfired rounds. Of the 22lr. in that bucket, 90% is Remington Golden. In my opinion, if it is Remington, you have to expect a few problems that come with the low price.

Even in these times of scarce .22 ammo, yesterday I passed on a large bulk pail of this stuff.

ID-shooting
July 9, 2013, 09:12 AM
I get those "smilies" with my Ruger Standard from time to time. Happens with all ammo brands though. I will say I probably see it more with cheap bulk packs than I do with Mini Mags and the like. I may get a FTF like that every 4 or 5 mags. Guess I just accept it and move on. Cheap ammo gets cheap results but not enough to make me shelve everything.

Damn, I want to call in sick and go shooting now.

hdbiker
July 9, 2013, 09:53 AM
I still buy Rem Golden Bullets for the kids and grandkids to shoot up. For hunting and serious target shooting, I like CCI Mini Mags 40 grain solids and Winchester Super X 40 grain solids. In fairness, I haven't had problems with Golden Rems .hdbiker

22-rimfire
July 9, 2013, 03:48 PM
Interesting about the loaded length of the Golden Bullets relative to feed issues. Now I need to get some out and compare as I'm curious.

rcmodel
July 9, 2013, 03:59 PM
Here are some measurements I did some time back.

SAAMI OAL length is .975" Min- 1.00" Max.

CCI Mini-Mag solid = .988".
Win MKII Pistol Match solid = .987".
Win Wildcat solid = .980".
Fed Lightening solid = .979".
Win Super-X HP = .973".
PMC Zapper HP = .971".
Rem Golden bullet HP = .963".
Aguila SSS solid 60 grain = .956".

rc

DPris
July 9, 2013, 07:22 PM
I'm still baffled by this.
I frequently use Remington Golden bulk in new gun tests, and I've used it personally off & on for several years.
I just don't get all these problems that others seem to.

Got one misfire a while back, but that happens in other brands.
Use it in pistols, revolvers, boltguns, and semi-autos.
I'm doing something wrong, obviously. :)
Denis

Carl N. Brown
July 9, 2013, 07:36 PM
Those bullets were "splitting" as the noses struck the edge of the barrel chamber as they left the magazine.

I have had such problems with Remington Golden Bullets in some guns that feed round nose .22 LR OK but jammed on any flat nose or truncated cone bullets. I have few problems shooting Remington Golden Bullets in my Remington Nylon 66, but use Federal, CCI or Winchester SuperX in my other .22s. And I have discontiued buying any trucated cone bullets.

ADDED: Test firing my son's Colt .22 M4 (made in Germany with a tight metric chamber), I gave up on golden bullet chambering, much less firing, but did a couple of 30 rd magazine dumps with Win SuperX (as sold in 100 rd box). I traded him Win SuperX for his remaining Rem Goldens. When I was a kid, 1960s, Remington Golden Bullet (50 or 100 rd box) was my first choice; currently, it is almost like they are making it on machinery that should have beeen retired (From my experience in Colt M4, I can only conclude that Rem is fatter than Win; some of my older .22s like it). However, the Rem Golden Bullet hollowpoint has always had a flat nose that gives feeding problems in certain guns but not others.

rcmodel
July 9, 2013, 08:24 PM
I gave up on them after the last go around.

I bought one of the bulk packs of Rem Golden Bullet promo ammo a few years ago at Dicks Sporting Goods.

Come to find out, they were practically unusable in a Win 06 pump, a Win 62A pump, and a Browning SA22 rifle. And these three guns are among the most reliable .22 rifles ever made by anyone, anywhere.

They even gave problems in a very early Ruger 10/22 that had previously never failed to function with any other brand of ammo in near 40+ years.

It seems a certain percentage of the Rem ammo had egg shaped rims that were too big to go though the mag tube holes in the receivers of three different rifles.
And the rotary Ruger mag didn't care for them either..

I ended up shooting them up in Colt Woodsman, a S&W Model 41 pistol, and a S&W revolver.

Then some of them went 'Crack', some of them went 'Pop' and smoked like crazy, and some of them wouldn't fire at all.

I have never bought another carton of Remington .22 ammo since.

To be fair, 20-50 years ago, Remington and Win Super-X were my preferred brands of ammo.
Now it's CCI Mini-Mags, when I can get it.

rc

pinehtr
July 10, 2013, 07:09 PM
I had a golden bullet explode in my S&W 22 causing a lot of damage, Cracked grips.
Bent ejector. Remington wasn't interested in talking to me about it.

TonyT
July 11, 2013, 01:29 PM
I have used Remington Golden Bullets for some time and the only issue I have experienced is ignition failures in some of my guns. It is totally gun related and not uncommon with 22RF ammo. In terms of accuracy I cannot complain about the Remington Golden as they are at least as accurate as the Federal bulk ack ammo.

doubleh
July 11, 2013, 07:36 PM
I have been shooting the GBs for many years with very few problems. Just a dud now and then but not nearly as many as I get with Fed bulk. Get better groups also in most guns, not all, but most.

I have a Colt M4 22 and it will not feed GBs reliably. On the other hand I have a Marlin/Glenfield Mod. 40 that shoots them just as fast as you want to pull the trigger with no problem but the rifle will not feed Blasers.

MCgunner
July 11, 2013, 07:57 PM
I really prefer Federal bulk, but in this day in time, I shoot what I can get. With all my .22s, chances are SOMEthing will shoot it. My .22 revolver and my old Remington bolt gun have been getting Remington shorts for the last few months. I bought out the hardware store, 1100 rounds of it.

Desperation drives my .22 purchasing now days. Can't afford to be too picky.

Cokeman
July 14, 2013, 04:10 AM
For those who don't like it, don't buy it. More for me. The 225 packs are the first 22 ammo I look for. I've never had a dud or any other problem with it. It's not under powered. I shoot it out of my P22 because some Federal is under powered and can't cycle the slide back far enough to pick up the next round. That's the only problem that I have had with any of my 22s with any ammo except for 4 stove pipes in 2713 rounds out of my Walther which were all Federal.

My Henry likes the shorts. I bought all 750 rounds that Walmart had two weeks ago. I got Subsonics there tonight.

random_gun
September 2, 2013, 05:11 PM
Just an update, Remington sent me a prepaid shipping label to return some fired and unfired rounds for factory inspection. Upton receiving my package they sent me a new box right away and I didn't experience the same issue with the new box.. I guess that was a defective batch (probably the ammo is shorter than it should be).
Kudos for their c/s.. It took about 3 days to receive the shipping label and they sent the replacement about a week after receiving my package

RetiredUSNChief
September 2, 2013, 06:11 PM
All my .22LR's are bolt action, either tube fed or detachable magazine. Never had any problems to speak of with this ammo at all.

Deaf Smith
September 2, 2013, 06:56 PM
I use Remington 'Golden' Bullets all the time in my Glock AACK .22 unit.

Works fine.

Deaf

CraigC
September 7, 2013, 10:10 AM
Personally, I think people pile on Remington because apparently it's the thing to do. It's never the gun's fault. It's never the magazine. It's never a dirty chamber, weak firing pin strike or filthy action. It's never simply because the gun prefers something else. It's always because Remington is junk. Well, leave them on the shelves, more for me.

When I could actually find it, I was burning up 2000-3000rds of the stuff every month. That is not an exaggeration. When you work from home and shoot on your own property, you do a lot of shooting. This is not through one or two guns but TWO DOZEN rimfire guns of various types. Revolvers, automatics, boltguns, leverguns and pumps. Misfires are a rare thing and although my shooting has been greatly curtailed due to shortages, I can't remember the last one.

As far as accuracy, I'll take MOA every time. The average of these five consecutive (not cherry-picked) five-shot groups at 50yds is a hair under a half inch. Shot with a centerfire 1-4x, not a big target scope. By all means, STOP buying Remington ammo, my supply is dwindling.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/rifles/large/IMG_7817b.jpg

22-rimfire
September 7, 2013, 11:08 AM
To be fair, 20-50 years ago, Remington and Win Super-X were my preferred brands of ammo.
Now it's CCI Mini-Mags, when I can get it.

The Remington's were my preferred 22 ammo for years too. I also liked the copper washed "plated" bullets back in the day as they had less lub on them and tended to feed easier into semi-auto pistols.

Now my cheap 22 ammo tends to be Federal Lightning/Champion (510's) typically purchased from Walmart in 50-ct boxes. I still prefer the 50-ct boxes over any other packaging. CCI Blazers are pretty good too.

ATK owns both Federal and CCI in case some folks don't know. Hence there are similarities.

I haven't had as much trouble with golden bullets as most here have had. The 225 packs tend to be pretty good. Accuracy was always pretty good with golden bullets as well. Nice looking rifle Craig!

Fishslayer
September 7, 2013, 11:52 AM
Since those golden bullets are so bad I'll help y'all out and take them off your hands. I'll shoot just about anything as long as I'm not competing! lol

I'll get in line if you don't mind.;) The GB and Blazer solids are the only bulk we've found that cycles my wife's Mosquito reliably. And I found them to be as accurate as Remington Target & Fed Auto Match in my 10/22.

We get some duds, sure but the wife went 300+ rounds in a row without one single malf.:eek:

pinehtr
September 7, 2013, 12:40 PM
I had multiple failures with the golden bullet Including a case exploded in the chamber of my S&W 22A making a mess of my gun. Bent ejector ,cracked grips. Sent them back to rem. thy replaced them with golden bullets new and improved .Still crappy rounds.

mdauben
September 7, 2013, 12:45 PM
I had multiple failures with the golden bullet Including a case exploded in the chamber of my S&W 22A making a mess of my gun. Bent ejector ,cracked grips. Sent them back to rem. thy replaced them with golden bullets new and improved .Still crappy rounds.

While I've never suffered such a catastrophic failure with Remington .22's I have been generally dissatisfied with their quality and now just avoid them all together.

Drail
September 7, 2013, 03:28 PM
Avoid all Remington ammunition and reloading components. It is high speed mass produced junk. It didn't used to be but it has been for quite a few years now. All rimfire ammo will have a number of "duds" in every box because of the priming system used. My experience has been that Federal is better quality in every way. Even with Federal there will be a few duds in a brick but Remington has always been much worse.

Speedo66
September 7, 2013, 05:49 PM
I had way too many fail to fires and differing "bangs" indicating inconsistent powder charges with Remington Thunderbolts. I sold off all I had and won't buy Remington ammo again.

I've had no such experiences with Federal bulk packs.

RetiredUSNChief
September 7, 2013, 05:56 PM
Avoid all Remington ammunition and reloading components. It is high speed mass produced junk. It didn't used to be but it has been for quite a few years now. All rimfire ammo will have a number of "duds" in every box because of the priming system used. My experience has been that Federal is better quality in every way. Even with Federal there will be a few duds in a brick but Remington has always been much worse.

Really? EVERY box? Including the 4 bulk boxes of 550 I bought and shot up with my wife and kids without a single failure? And all the other Remington .22LR I've shot over the years with so few failures that I can't remember when the last one occurred?

And what, pray tell, is this defective "priming system" you are speaking of? In fact, what "priming systems" do all the various companies out there use and how do they differ from company to company?

:scrutiny:

Cokeman
September 7, 2013, 06:38 PM
I've still never had a dud with any brand or type of .22 ammo.

Cokeman
September 7, 2013, 06:41 PM
Personally, I think people pile on Remington because apparently it's the thing to do. It's never the gun's fault. It's never the magazine. It's never a dirty chamber, weak firing pin strike or filthy action. It's never simply because the gun prefers something else. It's always because Remington is junk. Well, leave them on the shelves, more for me.

When I could actually find it, I was burning up 2000-3000rds of the stuff every month. That is not an exaggeration. When you work from home and shoot on your own property, you do a lot of shooting. This is not through one or two guns but TWO DOZEN rimfire guns of various types. Revolvers, automatics, boltguns, leverguns and pumps. Misfires are a rare thing and although my shooting has been greatly curtailed due to shortages, I can't remember the last one.

As far as accuracy, I'll take MOA every time. The average of these five consecutive (not cherry-picked) five-shot groups at 50yds is a hair under a half inch. Shot with a centerfire 1-4x, not a big target scope. By all means, STOP buying Remington ammo, my supply is dwindling.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/rifles/large/IMG_7817b.jpg

CZ? Lux or Special?

CraigC
September 8, 2013, 10:51 AM
CZ 452FS.
http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/rifles/large/IMG_7828b.jpg


Avoid all Remington ammunition and reloading components. It is high speed mass produced junk. It didn't used to be but it has been for quite a few years now. All rimfire ammo will have a number of "duds" in every box because of the priming system used. My experience has been that Federal is better quality in every way. Even with Federal there will be a few duds in a brick but Remington has always been much worse.
I've never found this to be the case whatsoever. But what do I know, after only shooting about 50-60,000rds of it in the last several years, maybe I'm wrong. :rolleyes:

I do, however, have a couple semi-autos that do not like Federal. They don't have enough gusto to cycle my Ciener conversion but it runs flawlessly on Remington. Federal's "hollowpoint" is a token dimple in the nose of the bullet. They do not expand at all but the Remington GB makes an excellent game load. No telling how many rabbits, squirrels, coons, possums, foxes, skunks, feral cats, etc. I've taken with the stuff. Federal sucks as a game bullet. The difference being that I don't get on the internet and berate Federal at every opportunity. Nor Winchester after having trouble with their X-Pert and 333 bulk packs. Some folks just don't understand that rimfire guns will always show a preference for certain loads and will sometimes have a strong aversion to others. Lack of perspective, I reckon.

One shot with a 36gr Golden Bullet HP was all it took for this fox trotting through the woods at 35yds.
http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/clifton/large/P1010043.JPG

aka108
September 8, 2013, 10:54 AM
Back in the 50's and 60's Remington was the best low priced ammo on the market. Then something went wrong. Maybe the bean counters or someone. Anyhow the Remington gold bullets are now pure crap in my opinion. Accuracy way of the the number of failures to fire at excessive. At the range I find a number of them with firm striker marks but complete duds.

351 WINCHESTER
September 8, 2013, 09:15 PM
I shot a lot of .22 ammo in the late 60's up until about 1980. I had lots of money and lots of time. I shot nothing buy Remingtons golden bullet until cci brought out the stingers in 74 or so. Up until I shot the stingers I thought it normal that .22 ammo should have duds, misfires, & weak loads. Bar none I cannot recall a single issue with any other brand of .22 ammo except Remington.

I will give them this - they are consistent.

Gordon
September 8, 2013, 09:35 PM
Craig C that CZ is beautifula and well set up, kudos.:)

heeler
September 8, 2013, 09:37 PM
I have generally by happenstance bought Federal,Winchester,and CCI mostly and have relatively little experience with Remington .22 rim fire.
But I find it striking the amount of people who pretty much condemn it to the people who seem to have almost zero issues with it.
And not on just this gun forum.

CraigC
September 9, 2013, 12:01 AM
But I find it striking the amount of people who pretty much condemn it to the people who seem to have almost zero issues with it.
What I find striking is the number of people who tell you to avoid it but have never tried it themselves. Present company excluded.......I think.

788Ham
September 9, 2013, 12:26 AM
I'm glad all of the Remington GB's I've got, 10 bricks, were all made in the 70's. I've never had but maybe 2 duds out of all the GB's I've bought and shot. I've got 3 rifles I've shot this stuff out of, never had any problems, but the 2 duds previously mentioned.

goon
September 9, 2013, 12:29 AM
I used a couple of the 100 round plastic boxes of it when I was in Alaska. The 10/22 I had there had a defective firing pin and wouldn't always set off CCI ammo, but the Remington stuff was 100% even before I got the rifle fixed.
Also found a 225 round pack of it at Walmart last week. I bought it out of principle. I'll break it open tomorrow just so I can add to the general consensus.

heeler
September 9, 2013, 10:50 AM
A good friend of mine gave me a brick of Federal Lightning a few weeks ago after learning that I had a Ruger SR22 coming to my ffl.
He has a huge ammo hoard but did not offer his Remington Thunderbolts or Golden Bullet ammo in the small giveawy.
I talked to him last night about this thread and he says all the Remington ammo he has has been extremely good.
This in a Ruger 10/22 and Marlin M60.
Also his Beretta Bobcat and a couple of .22 revolvers.

ArchAngelCD
September 9, 2013, 10:57 AM
I have a Ruger Single-Six and I just found out it really likes Federal Lightning .22 ammo. That ammo is incredibly accurate in my revolver. Remington Golden Bullets are the .22's that shoot best in my Henry levergun.

swmp9jrm
September 14, 2013, 05:25 PM
I bought into the anti-GB talk for a long time and never tried them. A couple of my .22LR guns are picky about their diet - SIG Mosquito and my Ruger 10-22 shoot fine on MiniMags, but choke occasionally on Federal bulk. Found some GBs on sale and decided what the heck, they can't be any worse than the Federals. Amazingly, since I started shooting these things I have not had a single problem in ANY of my .22LR guns - not even the Mosquito that was giving me 2-3 misfeeds per magazine on anything but MiniMags. YMMV and maybe I'm just plain lucky, but the GBs seem to work just fine for me - I'm glad I bought a dozen bricks when I could get them.

skt239
September 14, 2013, 10:36 PM
I've shot tons of that garbage out of my 22/45 and other than being really dirty and occasional mis-fires, I have no problem shooting them out of any of my.22's.

tommy.duncan
September 15, 2013, 08:53 PM
Sorry, That's a feed problem. You should be able to pick them out before they are loaded into a magazine.

Dr.Rob
September 16, 2013, 06:34 PM
This is not a handgun specific thread.

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