Student arrested for wearing NRA shirt


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Ryanxia
July 8, 2013, 01:04 PM
Haven't seen this before on here but there was an update that all charges were dropped for this student.

Honor roll student. He wore an NRA tshirt to school that said "Protect Your Rights" (which there was no dress code against it) and after refusing a teacher to turn it inside out the police were called (of course) and he was eventually arrested for 'interrupting the officer'.

All ended well with charges dropped, note the part where they say upon returning to school he wore the same shirt as did several other students in support of him (with no incident).


http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2013/6/case-against-student-who-wore-nra-t-shirt-to-school-dismissed.aspx?s=&st=&ps=

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Potatohead
July 8, 2013, 01:07 PM
Heard about this. Sucks. I got a nice new hat from the NRA and it's gotten where I almost feel like a criminal with it on. People looking at me like it says IRA or something. Here in Alabama too, thought that'd never happen. Oh well, I wear it w pride.

Ryanxia
July 8, 2013, 01:08 PM
..I got a nice new hat from the NRA and it's gotten where I almost feel like a criminal with it on. People looking at me like it says IRA or something..Oh well, I wear it w pride.
Good for you. Don't back down.

Larry Ashcraft
July 8, 2013, 01:21 PM
I have a nephew whose initials are NRA. He made a point of wearing an NRA cap all through high school.

Walkalong
July 8, 2013, 01:28 PM
I got a nice new hat from the NRA and it's gotten where I almost feel like a criminal with it on. People looking at me like it says IRA or something. Here in Alabama too,Wear it proudly and never back down, politely of course. Welcome to the fight.

Ryanxia
July 8, 2013, 01:29 PM
I have a nephew whose initials are NRA. He made a point of wearing an NRA cap all through high school.
That's brilliant lol. We need to think of other things like that that could be passed off as in compliance with some of these crazy policies in schools.

FROGO207
July 8, 2013, 01:46 PM
Larry Ashcroft that was a good one to promote.:) Unfortunately mine would be FUD.:D We all need to stand up and start to take our rights back. The longer we wait the harder the battle it will prove to be. I have been accused of many things by shouting idiots when sporting my NRA hat out in public. The noise has died down a bit lately as now I also often open carry my tricked out 45 Colt BBO revolver at the same time.:scrutiny:

Fleetman
July 8, 2013, 02:15 PM
We just got our NRA registration tags....someone asked me if that was a wise decision to drive around displaying those. I asked how my tags are any different than the thousands of Obama/Biden decals I see on cars?

JustinJ
July 8, 2013, 06:15 PM
The bigger issue to me is this new trend of regularly using the police to deal with perceived misbehaviors in schools.

Was the schools reaction because of what the shirt said or just that they saw it as disruptive due to the current controversies surrounding guns and gun control? Do they allow other shirts with messages about highly politicized issues or was he actually singled out? I'm not condoning what the school did but we don't have enough information to know if was actually due to antigun views of the administrators.

We just got our NRA registration tags....someone asked me if that was a wise decision to drive around displaying those. I asked how my tags are any different than the thousands of Obama/Biden decals I see on cars

Maybe that someone was pointing out that displaying messages on one's car about guns could potentially invite thieves to break in.

jmr40
July 8, 2013, 07:11 PM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.

Nothing new here, students have never been allowed to bring anything to school that caused a disruption. The definition of what disrupts has changed with the times. 40 years ago kids were routinely sent home when boys had hair too long and girls with skirts too short. If they had done what this kid did they would have been arrrested too. The things that caused a class disruption in 1970 and 2013 are far different. The long hair and short skirts wouldn't raise an eyebrow today. Shirts with unpopular messages will. I would have been sent home for that T-shirt in 1970 too. Not because of the message, but because T-shirts were only allowed in gym class. We were expected to dress better in regular classes.

Like it or not an NRA shirt is going to cause problems just as much as a GAY PRIDE shirt or a PETA shirt. None are allowed, and with good reason. It has nothing to do with gun rights or 1st amendment rights. We all have 1st amendment rights, but that does not give us the right to force others to hear our message. He can excercise his 1st amendment rights away from school. Doing it at school is interfering with the right to an education of every other kid.

Schools have often left dress codes vague and used the "class disruption" clause in there and trusted kids and parents to use some common sense. Stunts like this are why many schools are requiring uniforms. If parents cannot use common sense, then even the right to choose your own clothes are taken away.

This is exactly where this is going. If he is allowed to wear the NRA shirt, you set a precident. The next kid who wants to show up in his GAY PRIDE or PETA shirt has to be allowed to wear it too. Then how many will be arrested/ hospitalized after the brawl in the cafeteria. They will all be wearing khaki's and polo's in the school colors next year. No options, no NRA shirt, no camo, no jeans. Just what a committee picks out for you to wear.

silicosys4
July 8, 2013, 07:28 PM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.

Nothing new here, students have never been allowed to bring anything to school that caused a disruption. The definition of what disrupts has changed with the times. 40 years ago kids were routinely sent home when boys had hair too long and girls with skirts too short. If they had done what this kid did they would have been arrrested too. The things that caused a class disruption in 1970 and 2013 are far different. The long hair and short skirts wouldn't raise an eyebrow today. Shirts with unpopular messages will. I would have been sent home for that T-shirt in 1970 too. Not because of the message, but because T-shirts were only allowed in gym class. We were expected to dress better in regular classes.

Like it or not an NRA shirt is going to cause problems just as much as a GAY PRIDE shirt or a PETA shirt. None are allowed, and with good reason. It has nothing to do with gun rights or 1st amendment rights. We all have 1st amendment rights, but that does not give us the right to force others to hear our message. He can excercise his 1st amendment rights away from school. Doing it at school is interfering with the right to an education of every other kid.

Schools have often left dress codes vague and used the "class disruption" clause in there and trusted kids and parents to use some common sense. Stunts like this are why many schools are requiring uniforms. If parents cannot use common sense, then even the right to choose your own clothes are taken away.

This is exactly where this is going. If he is allowed to wear the NRA shirt, you set a precident. The next kid who wants to show up in his GAY PRIDE or PETA shirt has to be allowed to wear it too. Then how many will be arrested/ hospitalized after the brawl in the cafeteria. They will all be wearing khaki's and polo's in the school colors next year. No options, no NRA shirt, no camo, no jeans. Just what a committee picks out for you to wear.

I disagree with the idea that pandering to ignorant public opinion instead of upholding the laws of the constitution is the correct approach. In the 50's it was wrong to send a child home because the length of their hair caused an overreactions from ignorant fellow students and faculty, and it is wrong to send a child home from public school today for a similar reason.

If your child received enough "objections" to using a pencil instead of a pen, and caused a "disruption" in which OTHER children were the source of this disruption in their reactions, should you send your child home and discipline them for using a pencil, or should you point out that it is your child's right to use a pencil and these "disruptions" are exactly that...perpetrated by others?

Sorry, I'm not seeing the ignorance and overreaction by others to be a good reason to meekly hide my NRA support.
I haven't been to public school in about a decade, but when I left, people were wearing PETA shirts and Gay Pride shirts regularly without being discriminated against.

Fremmer
July 8, 2013, 07:38 PM
He was arrested because he refused to allow a police officer to violate his first amendment rights.

He needs to sue that school district and the police officer.

oldbear
July 8, 2013, 08:03 PM
Student arrested for wearing NRA shirt

The student was NOT arrested for wearing An NRA shirt. The student was arrested for obstruction of an officer in his official duty, under the conditions this appears to be a silly move on the part of the officer. As others have shared it is a sad state of affairs that schools now feel free to call the police every time a student does not obey every school regulation, no matter how minor.

As an aside I really hate it when folks appear to distort the truth just to get attention. It's not a professional or proper thing to do.

Deanimator
July 8, 2013, 08:16 PM
Like it or not an NRA shirt is going to cause problems just as much as a GAY PRIDE shirt or a PETA shirt.
And other students were persecuted for wearing "GAY PRIDE" or PETA t-shirts?

I didn't think so.

I GUARANTEE you that the kid NEVER would have been ordered to remove a Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Brady, or Violence Policy Center t-shirt. NEVER.

It's political indoctrination and discrimination exercised at literal GUNPOINT.

The teacher's and the cop's careers need to be DESTROYED.

zxcvbob
July 8, 2013, 08:18 PM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.


It's scary that people like this get to vote and serve on juries.

Baron_Null
July 8, 2013, 08:48 PM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption.
Yes, however, the fact still remains that the school administration caused more disruption than the kid wearing the shirt would have in the first place.
The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.
The kid should be in jail for what, exactly? Violating some arbitrary rule set up by a state-run institution that he is has no choice in going to, and then resisting the idiocy? If anything, we need more people representing us like that. More people who say "enough is enough!" to the state, instead of just bending to every whim of government administration.
Nothing new here, students have never been allowed to bring anything to school that caused a disruption. The definition of what disrupts has changed with the times. 40 years ago kids were routinely sent home when boys had hair too long and girls with skirts too short.
So? Are you suggesting that just because boys are allowed to wear long hair in school nowadays that we should encourage the suppression of political thought because it's not "proper"?
If they had done what this kid did they would have been arrrested too.
I have some serious doubt about that, but even if that's true, it doesn't make it any more right.
The things that caused a class disruption in 1970 and 2013 are far different. The long hair and short skirts wouldn't raise an eyebrow today. Shirts with unpopular messages will. I would have been sent home for that T-shirt in 1970 too. Not because of the message, but because T-shirts were only allowed in gym class. We were expected to dress better in regular classes.
Like it or not an NRA shirt is going to cause problems just as much as a GAY PRIDE shirt or a PETA shirt. None are allowed, and with good reason. It has nothing to do with gun rights or 1st amendment rights. We all have 1st amendment rights, but that does not give us the right to force others to hear our message. He can excercise his 1st amendment rights away from school. Doing it at school is interfering with the right to an education of every other kid.
Do you know what one of the primary purposes of school is? It goes far far beyond just learning history, science, math, and English. One of the main goals that schools have are to socialize kids and get them ready for the adult world. How do you think stifling political opinion for the sake of "not being disruptive" is going to change them as adults? Do you think they're going to say to themselves "Oh, well I shouldn't have been wearing that shirt at school, because it was interfering with the other kid's education." or "If I show this political opinion, I'm going to get arrested." I see tons of people complaining about how "kids these days only care about themselves" and how they aren't involved or interested in politics, yet applaud schools for pulling stunts like this.
Furthermore, the kid wasn't forcing people to hear his message, he was wearing a shirt. He wasn't going around with a megaphone to people's ears saying "YAY NRA", he was wearing a piece of cloth with his opinion on it. At no point did he start shoving the shirt in people's faces, he simply wore something that reflected the way he felt. As I said before, the real disruption was caused by the school administration causing as much fuss as they have been. Yet, I haven't heard you complain about them interfering with the right to education to those kids at the school.
Schools have often left dress codes vague and used the "class disruption" clause in there and trusted kids and parents to use some common sense. Stunts like this are why many schools are requiring uniforms. If parents cannot use common sense, then even the right to choose your own clothes are taken away.
Common sense to you is very obviously different than common sense to me. Common sense to you seems to suggest that everything a kid wears must be completely neutral and not in any way distract other kids, while common sense to me suggests that teenagers need to have leeway in determining what they wear to prepare them for their adult life. Sure, some things like graphic images or slogans should still not be allowed, but that's a far cry from wearing a shirt with a political opinion on it.
This is exactly where this is going. If he is allowed to wear the NRA shirt, you set a precident. The next kid who wants to show up in his GAY PRIDE or PETA shirt has to be allowed to wear it too.
As well they should. Schools and the government on the whole have no place in telling kids what political opinions are acceptable, and which are wrong.
Then how many will be arrested/ hospitalized after the brawl in the cafeteria.
This very much reminds me of the argument that anti-gunners always use when a state is considering concealed carry. "It'll be the wild west" ect. ect. You know who should be punished for starting the theoretical brawl in the cafeteria? The person who threw the first punch. If their self control is so poor that they start a fist fight over differing political opinion, then obviously their problems can't be solved by having people not wear shirts stating their beliefs around them.
They will all be wearing khaki's and polo's in the school colors next year. No options, no NRA shirt, no camo, no jeans. Just what a committee picks out for you to wear.
So your solution to this is to allow kids to have freedom, but not too much freedom, just enough to give them the illusion that they actually have some free choice in the matter.

I take it back, this seems like the perfect way to get them ready to live in today's political and societal climate.

zxcvbob
July 8, 2013, 08:56 PM
The kid should be in jail for what, exactly? Violating some arbitrary rule set up by a state-run institution that he is has no choice in going to, and then resisting the idiocy? If anything, we need more people representing us like that. More people who say "enough is enough!" to the state, instead of just bending to every whim of government administration.

He was in compliance with the rules. The teacher enforcing the rules (and the one who actually caused the disturbance -- in the lunchroom, btw, not in class) did not know the rules and the kid did.

Baron_Null
July 8, 2013, 09:06 PM
He was in compliance with the rules. The teacher enforcing the rules (and the one who actually caused the disturbance -- in the lunchroom, btw, not in class) did not know the rules and the kid did.

That makes it even worse

SconnieGirl
July 8, 2013, 09:14 PM
The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.

After reading this thread, I'm left wondering who I do want to represent me/us...

SharpsDressedMan
July 8, 2013, 09:39 PM
Why should anyone be "disturbed" by an NRA t-shirt? To side with the ill-informed, acting in an irrational way, and say that otherwise peaceful citizens NEED to be arrested for wearing such a benign shirt is cause for some self-scrutiny. In a free society, where free speech is held high, making a statement of support for a non profit organization that stands FOR our freedoms should not be suppressed. As a matter of fact, doing so might be cause for complaint of violation of one's RIGHTS in this country. That is the infringement in this case; not pandering to the censors and unjustified critics.

mf-dif
July 8, 2013, 09:51 PM
I wore a ton of stupid shirts when I was in HS and was almost never asked to turn them inside out. Big Johnson, marijuana leaf, NWA, I don't call 911 with gun. The one they did ask me to turn around was a Bevis and Butthead tee. Oh the 90s.

It's whatever I think is rustling feathers at the time. Bevis and Butthead and Mortal Kombat where all being censored during that time.

Ryanxia
July 8, 2013, 10:02 PM
It's disgusting when people like Jmr40 think this kid should be in jail and his father who was not even there. And to make such a bold statement without even reading the article (because if he did he would see that this was NOT against school rules) and even if it was against school policy that means jail time for an honor roll student AND his family?

Now that I read the comments I should have titled the thread differently, but if you don't even bother to read the story that the thread is about, why offer opinion?

AethelstanAegen
July 9, 2013, 12:31 AM
Schools and the government on the whole have no place in telling kids what political opinions are acceptable, and which are wrong.

I couldn't agree more. The school administers are the one that turned the shirt into a disruption and not the student.

The next kid who wants to show up in his GAY PRIDE or PETA shirt has to be allowed to wear it too.

Kids already wear shirts like this and why in the world should they not be allowed to? I may not agree with PETA, but that doesn't mean kids shouldn't be allowed to. Anyone who is going to pick a fight over a gay pride shirt needs to grow up and join the 21st Century.

We all have 1st amendment rights, but that does not give us the right to force others to hear our message.

Actually that's exactly what the 1st Amendment guarantees. We can speak our minds and people can ignore us if they want (the teacher and other students could have chosen to ignore the shirt) but they can't stop you from saying what you want and certainly not to avoid a "disruption." Certainly by your logic we should lock up anyone who expresses an opinion that slightly diverges from popular opinion because it might upset someone's feelings and maybe cause a disruption in someone else's day; it's a ridiculous and absurd notion, completely contrary to the principles laid out in the Constitution. People need to learn to mind their own business and if they don't like someone else's opinion, they need to suck it up and not waste police time.

plexreticle
July 9, 2013, 12:48 AM
I hope jmr40 is trolling.

Cee Zee
July 9, 2013, 02:43 AM
The whole fiasco was a disgrace to freedom. No way that shirt should have disrupted anyone except the "do it my way or the highway" crowd. I was SHOCKED that this happened where it did more than anything. That town is in the rugged mountains of SW West Virginia where guns are a way of life. But it is the local "town" and like much of the education system the school has become a training ground for radicals.

I actually had plans of moving to that area. I wasn't moving to that town but to one of two nearby towns. The mountains there are nothing short of spectacular. They have ATV trails that are fantastic to the extreme and there is an organized system for permission to ride there. There will be no problems with trespassing if you stick to the trails if you can follow them that is.

But mainly the people there impressed me tremendously. They have true hospitality there and a genuine respect for others. It's a rare place IMO but obviously the worst elements in our country are encroaching in that region too. I really planned on retiring there. That will not happen now because of this incident. I wrote the mayor of Logan and thanked him for making it clear to me that Logan Co. is not the place for me. I don't think I will even go back for a visit. I'll spend my tourist dollars where they treat people with more respect. What they did was disgraceful in the extreme. It's been all over the local tv station news programs and pretty much everyone is shocked that it could happen in that location. When Joe Manchin put up that copy of the cap and trade bill and shot it in that commercial he was appealing to the people I know from those areas of West Virginia. Now apparently Joe has decided he should oppose the NRA despite the fact that his state completely abandoned his party over such things in the past. He's leading the fight to get the gun bill back on the agenda. He's reminding us that fully 90% of all people want laws that already exist. I guess the party leaders put the squeeze on him or something. Whatever the case he just made it clear to me that the problems WV has had for many years are not cleared up as much as I thought they were. Politics is dirty business everywhere but in WV people take it very seriously. I've never seen so many political signs in people's yards anywhere. The great Kennedy and Johnson "War On Poverty" which meant free money to WV citizens still puts voters in the booths pulling the lever marked D. I will be avoiding that situation as much as possible now. I could go on about Arch Moore and how he set back real government in that state 50 years but there's no point here. It's about the abuse of power of the gun grabbers here. And wow do they ever abuse their power. Dirty business that politics stuff and WV seems to take the lead in that department all too often.

x_wrench
July 9, 2013, 08:45 AM
this kind of thing is happening for a reason. the anti's know they get press time for making a big enough deal out of it. the problem is, the anti gun press, could care less when the kid returns to school, with or without an apology, wearing the shirt or not. i am at a loss, of how to "fix" this situation. if i was a principle of a school, it would be a lot easier to ban anti gun clothing, but it would obviously have to ban pro gun clothing as well. then of course, the kid wearing an anti-gun garment would have to be kicked out of school, to which the media would jump all over. and most likely all but crucify the principal for. this really is headed to a scary place. because eventually, if the anti gun people push it far enough, it is going to end in a bloody mess. and i am NOT talking about another school shooting rampage. which i half believe could be orchestrated by the anti's, or worse (THE administration)..

HOOfan_1
July 9, 2013, 08:47 AM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school.

Disruption? How can passively wearing a shirt cause a disruption????

The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.

Seriously???? WOW!!!! :banghead: Maybe they should be flogged in public square too. Or maybe they should be sent to a work camp above the arctic in Alaska. Maybe some other sort of freedom sqaushing Stalinist tripe...

Fleetman
July 9, 2013, 09:21 AM
@JustinJ - they indicated they thought the tags could start an arguement concerning gun control. I don't relate guns being on-board any vehicle displaying NRA tags/decals anymore than I relate idiots on-board any vehicle displaying Obama/Biden tags/decals.......wait a minute - did I just type that out loud?

Carl N. Brown
July 9, 2013, 09:55 AM
He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school.

Jared went through the first five class periods with no one noticing the shirt and he was not calling attention to it. Then in line at cafeteria, a teacher saw the shirt and took it on himself to create a disruption where there had not been one before. Jared went to the prinicipal's office with the teacher. They called the cops and was accused of inciting a riot, later reduced to "obstructing and officer". Jared's "obstructing the officer" was talking over him in the office, not one of the original charges.

From my experience with West Virginia law, "obstructing" is the least charge they offer when it turns out the officer was in the wrong with the first charge or charges.

BSA1
July 9, 2013, 10:31 AM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.
Jmr40,

Thank you for sharing your vision of the future of our country. However, many states disagree with your position;

"The idea that you may resist peaceful arrest ... because you are in debate about whether it is lawful or not, instead of going to the authorities ... seems to me not a blow for liberty but, on the contrary, a blow for attempted anarchy."

http://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3723&context=lalrev&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dcitizens%2520should%2520resist%2520unlawful%2520arrest%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D5%26ved%3D0CEcQFjAE%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.law.lsu.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D3723%2526context%253Dlalrev%26ei%3D9RjcUe6JDIf69QTPtYHQDw%26usg%3DAFQjCNH3E_EB1hFzIvK5w4helgsmnUxS1A%26bvm%3Dbv.48705608%2Cd.eWU#search=%22citizens%20should%20resist%20unlawful%20arrest%22

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

splithoof
July 9, 2013, 09:10 PM
This is why we homeschool!!!

Deltaboy
July 9, 2013, 10:15 PM
The Officer needs some retraining along with the Teacher and Principal.:banghead::fire:

Cee Zee
July 9, 2013, 10:46 PM
The Officer needs some retraining along with the Teacher and Principal

Out behind the woodshed would be a good place for them.

R.W.Dale
July 9, 2013, 11:05 PM
The Officer needs some retraining along with the Teacher and Principal.:banghead::fire:

The officer simply needs to be released back into the unemployment line.

Any officer that would behave as this one did would have absolutely 0 compunction about following any order given.....

Cee Zee
July 10, 2013, 09:33 AM
I would suggest that people email the mayor and the police chief and the school superintendent and be sure to mention your feelings on vacationing at the Hatfield McCoy
ATV trails. I know I don't want to go anywhere near a place that is so vehemently anti-gun.

JustinJ
July 10, 2013, 11:32 AM
The whole fiasco was a disgrace to freedom. No way that shirt should have disrupted anyone except the "do it my way or the highway" crowd. I was SHOCKED that this happened where it did more than anything. That town is in the rugged mountains of SW West Virginia where guns are a way of life. But it is the local "town" and like much of the education system the school has become a training ground for radicals.

Should any shirt "disrupt" another? No, but in a high school environment they absolutely can. I don't support what the school did but I do see their point and wonder how many here would be so outraged if the same incident happened to a kid with a shirt promoting an anti-gun or anti-christian message.

David E
July 10, 2013, 12:11 PM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school.

No one was "causing a disruption" other than an anti-gun teacher. Then, at worst, the student should be sent home. There was no reason to have the cops called to enforce a school dress code.

He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption.

Seriously???

The kid and his dad should both be in jail.


Well, Senator Schumer, that's a very, very dangerous road to take.

AethelstanAegen
July 10, 2013, 12:16 PM
how many here would be so outraged if the same incident happened to a kid with a shirt promoting an anti-gun or anti-christian message.

I would be. The Bill of Rights doesn't only apply when it's convenient. It's one thing if the kid is yelling something during class, but just wearing a t-shirt? Give me a break. If a student is having trouble concentrating because of another kids t-shirt, that student needs to simply not read the t-shirt. Trying to blame someone else's t-shirt for your own academic failings because it was distracting is ridiculous; it's just an excuse but clearly the real problem lies elsewhere. Real life is full of distractions. Just don't read the shirt.

HOOfan_1
July 10, 2013, 01:24 PM
Should any shirt "disrupt" another? No, but in a high school environment they absolutely can. I don't support what the school did but I do see their point and wonder how many here would be so outraged if the same incident happened to a kid with a shirt promoting an anti-gun or anti-christian message.

3 years ago boys were made to leave school for wearing American Flag T-shirts on Cinco De Mayo...in California. I know many of us don't want to claim California as part of the USA...I know many in California don't want to be part of the USA....but it still is...and these boys were made to leave because they were wearing shirts with the flags of their own nation...the nation of that school....which hopefully had an American flag flying out front that day. Why? Because it was on the anniversery of a minor battle in Mexico which isn't even a state holiday in Mexico....more of a drinking holiday in the United States.

Yeah I find that outrageous :fire: I would if they were wearing Mexican flags and were forced to leave as well

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

Potatohead
July 10, 2013, 07:50 PM
Wear it proudly and never back down, politely of course. Welcome to the fight.
Thanks!

Potatohead
July 10, 2013, 07:53 PM
The noise has died down a bit lately as now I also often open carry my tricked out 45 Colt BBO revolver at the same time.

I would think that might quiet the crowd a bit :)

Potatohead
July 10, 2013, 07:59 PM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school.

Its not his fault his shirt was causing a disruption. It was the other sides' views that caused the disruption. So we have to do what someone tells us to do if something we do makes them uncomfortable (ie:disrupted)?

Potatohead
July 10, 2013, 08:02 PM
Like it or not an NRA shirt is going to cause problems just as much as a GAY PRIDE shirt or a PETA shirt.

I see what you're saying but I doubt Gay Pride or Peta shirts cause near the disruptions that an NRA shirts do. But we don't want to be disruptive now do we?

Sorry...sarcasm over..

Pilot
July 10, 2013, 08:05 PM
Its not his fault his shirt was causing a disruption. It was the other sides' views that caused the disruption. So we have to do what someone tells us to do if something we do makes them uncomfortable (ie:disrupted)?
^^^^^^^This. If a student was wearing an Obama/Biden shirt or NEA shirt, there wouldn't have been an issue, but since the teacher disagreed with it, the "problem" arose.

Potatohead
July 10, 2013, 08:07 PM
I GUARANTEE you that the kid NEVER would have been ordered to remove a Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Brady, or Violence Policy Center t-shirt. NEVER.

It's political indoctrination and discrimination exercised at literal GUNPOINT.

In my youth, I would've viewed this ^^^ as bull hockey, conspiracy theorist ramblings. I wish the same was true today.

Potatohead
July 10, 2013, 08:14 PM
@JustinJ - they indicated they thought the tags could start an arguement concerning gun control. I don't relate guns being on-board any vehicle displaying NRA tags/decals anymore than I relate idiots on-board any vehicle displaying Obama/Biden tags/decals.......wait a minute - did I just type that out loud?
Like I saw on another thread yesterday: I Couldn't let this thread close without telling you that was funny

zxcvbob
July 10, 2013, 08:19 PM
I don't think the NRA part or the gun graphic was as much a problem as the "Protect Your Rights" caption.

Deltaboy
July 11, 2013, 11:00 AM
School districts often over play their hand under back up the Teacher. IMO the kid should have been sent back to class and the Teacher called in and given a cliff notes overview of the Bill of Rights.

Cee Zee
July 11, 2013, 01:44 PM
Should any shirt "disrupt" another? No, but in a high school environment they absolutely can. I don't support what the school did but I do see their point and wonder how many here would be so outraged if the same incident happened to a kid with a shirt promoting an anti-gun or anti-christian message.

Way to assign thinking to someone who doesn't express anything remotely connected to your view! Wow it's easy to win arguments when you make up stuff that the other guy thinks. Do you have ESP or do you just guess at these things?

That shirt was not "anti" anything. Big difference BTW. Do you not understand that slamming the views of someone else is nothing like expressing your own views in a manner that isn't designed to offend anyone? Wait. I guess you answered that already with your post.

The shirt said, "Protect Your Right". Wow that's just like saying "Christianity Stinks". Can kids wear anti-Christian message shirts at schools? Have you been paying attention? I wouldn't be surprised to see teachers giving out shirts like that. A college professor recently had students write the name Jesus on a piece of paper then put that paper in the floor and stomp on it. Those students are the future teachers of America. That professor is a product of our education system. Do you understand the bias built into our system against guns and against Christianity? The examples we have here are pretty clear. That doesn't mean I would have some student arrested for wearing a shirt that respectfully promoted their views. "Protect Your Right To Not Believe" would be the equivalent here. Would I want someone arrested for wearing that shirt? Only in your dreams. But thinking gets assigned to others by certain groups in this country all the time. Let's put it this way. This country was founded by Christians and to a lesser extent Diests. Yet we haven't demanded that people accept our views. Christians don't believe in coercing people to accept their views. They believe in convincing people to join them. They don't have people arrested because they don't share their views. Christians created a country that tolerates opposing views. No one gets arrested for not believing. The gun grabbers just expressed a lot less tolerance by having this kid arrested.

X-JaVeN-X
July 11, 2013, 03:41 PM
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.

Nothing new here, students have never been allowed to bring anything to school that caused a disruption. The definition of what disrupts has changed with the times. 40 years ago kids were routinely sent home when boys had hair too long and girls with skirts too short. If they had done what this kid did they would have been arrrested too. The things that caused a class disruption in 1970 and 2013 are far different. The long hair and short skirts wouldn't raise an eyebrow today. Shirts with unpopular messages will. I would have been sent home for that T-shirt in 1970 too. Not because of the message, but because T-shirts were only allowed in gym class. We were expected to dress better in regular classes.

Like it or not an NRA shirt is going to cause problems just as much as a GAY PRIDE shirt or a PETA shirt. None are allowed, and with good reason. It has nothing to do with gun rights or 1st amendment rights. We all have 1st amendment rights, but that does not give us the right to force others to hear our message. He can excercise his 1st amendment rights away from school. Doing it at school is interfering with the right to an education of every other kid.

Schools have often left dress codes vague and used the "class disruption" clause in there and trusted kids and parents to use some common sense. Stunts like this are why many schools are requiring uniforms. If parents cannot use common sense, then even the right to choose your own clothes are taken away.

This is exactly where this is going. If he is allowed to wear the NRA shirt, you set a precident. The next kid who wants to show up in his GAY PRIDE or PETA shirt has to be allowed to wear it too. Then how many will be arrested/ hospitalized after the brawl in the cafeteria. They will all be wearing khaki's and polo's in the school colors next year. No options, no NRA shirt, no camo, no jeans. Just what a committee picks out for you to wear.
wow...ummm...no...just...no....

Just because people rolled over in the 70s doesn't make it right....that still applies today. Maybe if there were less rolling over in the 70s we wouldn't be in the mess we are today...This country needs to grow a spine again and start fighting for what they believe and not just accepting what they are told to believe. The mentality from the post above is the most dangerous attitude you can have imo.

silicosys4
July 11, 2013, 04:06 PM
We all have 1st amendment rights, but that does not give us the right to force others to hear our message. He can exercise his 1st amendment rights away from school. Doing it at school is interfering with the right to an education of every other kid.

Please point out which amendment specifically grants the "right to an education". You won't, because there is none. There is, however, a very clearly worded first and second amendment. Your fabricated "right" does not trump real and actual rights.

Cee Zee
July 11, 2013, 07:11 PM
Just because people rolled over in the 70s doesn't make it right

Actually they didn't roll over in the 70's. That battle was fought and won by the students. If you don't believe me I'll show you a photo of how much hair I had in those days. I was threatened with expulsion many times because of it but that never happened. Girls were wearing shorts, pants, etc. when we left school. Nothing but dresses were allowed when we first got there.

Bhi curamach
July 11, 2013, 11:34 PM
Yeah, Ireland wanting freedom from British rule and forming an army exactly as the states in north America did is shameful. Now PIRA, the provos,or provisional IRA would be a better example. After the republic won its freedom some split to form the group most associate with so called Irish terrorist. How dare they go agaisnt the crown. Your freedom is not good for the UK at this time, kindly toe the party line.
IRA shirts the same as NRA shirts? Insulting.

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