Hornady Temp Suspends Some Products


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MtnCreek
July 9, 2013, 01:06 PM
Dear Hornady Customer:

As you are aware, 2013 has been one of the most challenging years ever in the sporting arms industry. We are proud of the increases in production we have achieved this year, but we are still faced witha demand that exceeds our ability to produce.

In efforts to increase production, we have reviewed everything, refining procedures, adding people, and equipment when possible. One area that will help us produce more: cutting the number of changeovers in our production machinery.

In order to reduce changeovers, we are announceing the temporary suspension of over 150 ammunition items and 150 bullet items, for the balance of 2013.

Attached you will find the list of items that will be suspended. Our plan is to remove the orders for these items from our system, beginning July 10th, and notify you of the cancellations. We will continue to monitor and update this list as the market conditions change.

Our goal is to try to deliver more to every customer, and while this may impact certain categories, our overall delivery should improve.

See below for lists of affected bullets.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/07/hornady-suspends-production-of-150-ammo-types-and-150-bullet-types-for-balance-of-2013/

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627PCFan
July 9, 2013, 01:12 PM
Nosler stock just went through the roof

jmorris
July 9, 2013, 01:36 PM
Yeah, the might disappoint Forbes. In that money making should be the end result of being on business, not the cause.

Still better, I think, than keep telling distributors "two more weeks" for the next year.

Just think, if everyone kept making things Most people don't want you would still see Pintos at Ford dealerships. Or Members Only jackets on the rack at the clothes store.

sota
July 9, 2013, 01:40 PM
I'd rather them do this than string people along.
Now at least you know, none of those until next year.

ATLDave
July 9, 2013, 01:53 PM
It's pretty common for manufacturers to periodically comb out specialty sku's/products because of the inventory and changeover burdens that low-volume sku's impose. Sounds like most or all of these will be back, just not while the factory can run at capacity 24/7 on higher-volume sku's.

Frankly, CCI should have done this with their rimfire production... why are they still cranking out .22LR Quiets and .22 Shorts and .22LR birdshot when they cannot keep up with demand for plain old .22LR LRN or mini-mags?

oneounceload
July 9, 2013, 02:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p2pl3ZsH8s&feature=youtu.be

http://www.hornady.com/support/availability

Havok7416
July 9, 2013, 02:19 PM
I see a few in the lists that I use but fortunately I have enough to last. I can't say I'm upset with the decision. Hopefully this means more of the products I am looking for.

jwrowland77
July 9, 2013, 02:37 PM
I see a few in the lists that I use but fortunately I have enough to last. I can't say I'm upset with the decision. Hopefully this means more of the products I am looking for.

Exactly! There's only 2 on that whole list that I was wanting to try, but I can just use what I have worked up already.

MtnCreek
July 9, 2013, 03:06 PM
Nothing listed that I can't live without, but if I had gone a different direction recently, I'd be in bad shape. 6mm 105 amax and 7mm 162 amax both suspended.

GJSchulze
July 9, 2013, 03:26 PM
This was reported as a rumor that Hornady denies on another forum. I don't see anything on their website about this.

mdi
July 9, 2013, 03:56 PM
I saw this on another forum, but the notification was in the form of a fax. Same wording. BUT, there was no addressee, and no signature; just "to our customers" and "The Hornady Team".... If it s a manufacturing notice, it was done very unprofessionally, certainly not from a major manufacturer.

MtnCreek
July 9, 2013, 04:02 PM
See Post #6 above. It's fo-real.

jmorris
July 9, 2013, 04:04 PM
This was reported as a rumor that Hornady denies on another forum. I don't see anything on their website about this.

It's at the very top of their home page or you can follow this link.

http://www.hornady.com/support/availability

Yeah, it's the same one oneounce posted.

horsemen61
July 9, 2013, 04:08 PM
I for one would rather see this with them focusing on a smaller number of products that make it to the market than them trying to do everything and not getting anything significant done so more of a few and less of many is how I'm looking at it.

BullfrogKen
July 9, 2013, 06:05 PM
I'm surprised it took them so long to make this decision. Hornady's product line is so deep there's no way they can keep up with it all right now.

gspn
July 9, 2013, 06:25 PM
The most interesting thing I heard was that after the cancellations "what we have left on order will take us almost 2 years to produce".

That is a strong statement. If they quit taking orders right now...didn't take a single new order...it would take almost two years for the last guy in to get his bullets.

I originally thought the shortage would be over by this September...I might have to push my estimate back.

Also...major kudos to Steve Hornady for putting out that video. That is a great example of customer service at it's finest.

Old Fuff
July 9, 2013, 07:33 PM
This is hard news for some, but If Hornady is this busy it may make some legislators who are up for reelection next year a bit uneasy. :uhoh:

If you are one of those who is upset, focus your feelings on those who caused this situation in the first place. :cuss:

Lj1941
July 9, 2013, 07:44 PM
I give them a lot of credit for being up front with what they are doing.:)

HOOfan_1
July 9, 2013, 07:53 PM
55 grain .224 FMJ-BT are probably their hottest item right now...

morcey2
July 9, 2013, 08:01 PM
This is the flipside of shooting less-common calibers. I haven't had an issue finding 9x18 makarov rounds or bullets for 8x57 or 7.62x54R even in the middle of the panic. Now that things are easing up, manufacturers will be focusing on the more popular/common items. I don't foresee the 0.312" 174gr HPBT bullets that Hornady made for Graf's being made for a couple of years. That was my main bullet in my mosins and I don't have nearly as many as I would like to.

Matt

NCsmitty
July 9, 2013, 10:40 PM
I'm guessing that these shortages may be related to the Department of Homeland Security orders that have been requisitioned to the tune of 1.6 Billion plus rounds of ammo, with subsequent orders in different calibers, and most of this ammo is being stored. It appears to me that the government has used this tactic to create this shortage, and it's working.
Just another brick in the wall.


NCsmitty

Crashbox
July 9, 2013, 10:41 PM
I took another look and I was VERY surprised to see the .405 Winchester #41050 and 41051 bullets remaining in production! That one baffles me something fierce but I'm not complaining one iota...

BullfrogKen
July 9, 2013, 11:05 PM
Oh jeez, that whole conspiracy thing with DHS again?

:rolleyes:


The American civilian public buys so much ammunition and components that even if DHS actually did order the entire amount of that IDIQ contract - which they didn't - the manufacturing industry could fill it easily. And it would pale in comparison to the demand all of us put on them.

One buyer buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition is NOT going to tie up the works of the ammunition industry. You entirely underestimate the manufacturing capacity of the industry if you think a buy like that could have an impact.

gamestalker
July 9, 2013, 11:07 PM
I don't see much on the list that's going to impede my reloading needs. I think they are approaching this with some common sense.

GS

Geno
July 9, 2013, 11:14 PM
This is one of the reasons that I own different rifles, chambered for different cartridges. When one becomes unavailable, there are always reasonable alternatives.

Geno

BullfrogKen
July 9, 2013, 11:25 PM
gamestalker, that just means the stuff you load is the same stuff everyone else loads.

ole farmerbuck
July 9, 2013, 11:38 PM
It doesnt bother me either. I have enough 40 - 55gr v-max and z-max and 52grA-max bullets to feed my AR's for the next 5 years anyway.:D

Dave T
July 9, 2013, 11:46 PM
No one has commented on the suspended ammo. 380, 38 Special, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 44 Magnum, 45 ACP & 45 Colt are hardly exotic calibers. If they can't produce these common handgun cartridges for the consumer until next year (if then) the anti-gun left has won a major victory already. If you can't get ammo what good is the gun. If small dealers can't stock their shelves how long are they going to stay in business. No products...no customers. And it's not just Hornady.

Dave

gspn
July 9, 2013, 11:52 PM
No one has commented on the suspended ammo. 380, 38 Special, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 44 Magnum, 45 ACP & 45 Colt are hardly exotic calibers. If they can't produce these common handgun cartridges for the consumer until next year (if then) the anti-gun left has won a major victory already.


The list of suspended cartridges shows 6 types of .45 ACP that are being suspended. Their website shows that they produce roughly 24 different bullets for the .45 ACP. From that I figure they are still producing 18 different bullets for the .45 ACP...I have no problem with that.

They are likely culling the lowest selling items from the lineup and reinvesting the time in items that are more in demand.

Jesse Heywood
July 9, 2013, 11:59 PM
Where one manufacturer withdraws from the market, another will fill the need. Free enterprise works.

BullfrogKen
July 9, 2013, 11:59 PM
Dave,

What are you talking about?


Hornady Lists Bullet and Ammo Types That Remain in Production (http://www.hornady.com/support/availability/production-list)

They announced that ALL those loaded calibers will remain in production. They are suspending production on what doesn't sell as well. But they have the common bullet weights in each of those different caliber still available.

steve4102
July 10, 2013, 12:45 AM
My .02.
Hornady has suspended over 150 bullets and ammo for the remainder of 2013.

That doesn't mean that come Jan or Feb of 2014, ya'll will be seeing your favorite "suspended" bullet back on the selves. No, far from it. It means that some time in 2014, they will slowly start to put some of the "suspended" bullets back on the line(maybe). How long will it take for these bullets to appear back on the selves is anybody's guess, but if you watch Steve Hornady's video, sounds like over 2 years.

This is NOT normal everyday business as usual as many of you claim. It is unprecedented and undoubtedly will cause more panic and more shortages.

Handloaders will be forced to switch from their beloved Hornady bullets to Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Barnes etc. These other manufacturers are already unable to manufacture enough to meet current demand and this will put them even further behind. This increased demand may force them to do as Hornady has done and suspend production of certain bullets for an Unprecedented amount of time. Thus creating more shortages and more panic.

Hornady may be able to increase production of certain "More Popular" bullets to help meet demand, but this will only lead to more demand, more panic and more shortages. A vicious Cycle to be sure.

People will be snapping up any and every bullet they can find for fear of a temporary production shutdown. What Hornady manufactures now will be snapped up before it even it's the shelves for fear that these too may be suspended. Thus increasing demand, thus increasing production, thus lengthening the down time of the 150 suspended product.

We are in for a rough ride, Hang On.

MtnCreek
July 10, 2013, 09:47 AM
IMHO, I think it will help increase availability of Hornady bullets in general. Unfortunately some folks will be crap out of luck, especially if they have a custom chambered rifle for a particular Hornady bullet.

A simple way to look at it is to say it’s similar to a buffet. Largest crowd ever comes in and everyone is super hungry. The cooks have to stop spending time wrapping up the cheese wantons and focus on the meat & tators.

blarby
July 10, 2013, 12:39 PM
Well, the 150 gr BTSP in .308 is going to bother the missus.
She'll have to make do with the pile of 150 gr FMJBT for target practice.

Personally I'm glad they left the 180g SST alone- although I was looking forward to a box of 180gr BTSP's this fall- I'll just have to make do with the 3 or 4 thousand SST's I have that are/shoot almost exactly the same except a ballistic tip

I'm pretty sure that hornady had discussions like this to get the results they did. I say kudos to them for getting what really matters out the door as quickly as possible. I know all of you 52gr BTHP enthusiasts in .223 will be stunned to death..........


Frankly, CCI should have done this with their rimfire production... why are they still cranking out .22LR Quiets and .22 Shorts and .22LR birdshot when they cannot keep up with demand for plain old .22LR LRN or mini-mags?

Funny note on this'n : I got a call from BIMART on monday that all of the 22 was coming in, and would be available tuesday morning.

When I showed up tuesday morning, the line was CRAZY- I guess they called everyone else, too.

So everyone gets in to the ammo counter, and I take one look at the boxes on the counter and KNEW there was about to be a riot.

1 case of 22 minimags- 12 cases of 22 shorts.

12 cases of 22 shorts......... 12 gosa!!@dfansd@@#$fgmn CASES OF 22 SHORTS.

I laughed, grabbed a coffee for the counter guy I know, and took off.


He called me later and said he saved me a single sleeve of minimags for the coffee- it was the nicest thing that happened to him all day...... :D

snakeman
July 10, 2013, 12:55 PM
well...ship. time to look at speer and sierra. Nosler too expensive

ATLDave
July 10, 2013, 01:14 PM
So everyone gets in to the ammo counter, and I take one look at the boxes on the counter and KNEW there was about to be a riot.

1 case of 22 minimags- 12 cases of 22 shorts.

Yep, that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. What the heck is that?!?

Maybe the machines that make the shorts just cannot make LR's, and there is no manufacturer's shortage of components for 22LR, so making shorts "costs" nothing in terms of delaying LR production. Maybe. Maybe. But it's galling to see those shorts piling up on the shelves.

Queen_of_Thunder
July 10, 2013, 02:15 PM
If ypu go through their list of suspended items you have to ask what will they produce.

morcey2
July 10, 2013, 02:17 PM
If ypu go through their list of suspended items you have to ask what will they produce.
Here's a link to the list of what they will be producing, both ammo and bullets:

http://www.hornady.com/support/availability/production-list

Not a short list by any stretch.

Matt

Queen_of_Thunder
July 10, 2013, 05:13 PM
Where one manufacturer withdraws from the market, another will fill the need. Free enterprise works.
The problem with that is there is no production available to replace what Hornady has pulled from the market. This action will also make the ammo shortage even worse as people react to the news.

Old Fuff
July 10, 2013, 05:34 PM
Queen_of_Thunder is spot on. Today all of the ammunition producers are working at full capacity. None are in a position to pick up someone else’s business. Olin/Winchester for example has said that they’re commercial order backlog exceeds the U.S. military services and law enforcement orders combined. Too many people still underestimate what the market demand for ammunition is. In some places guns are catching up, but severe shortages of some kinds of ammunition and components still exist, and will continue to.

BullfrogKen
July 10, 2013, 05:43 PM
The problem with that is there is no production available to replace what Hornady has pulled from the market. This action will also make the ammo shortage even worse as people react to the news.

Really?

As in what exactly?

Hornady may be the bullet-maker with the deepest product line, but they're far from the only game in town. We're not talking about mainstream items going away, either. They're halting production of the products that do not sell as much.

So exactly which are the products that Hornady makes that no other bullet-maker makes?

thump_rrr
July 10, 2013, 06:35 PM
Sierra is my go to bullet maker for precision rifle.
As far as Hornady goes I buy their .224 FMJ-BT/WC and their .311 123gr for my SKS.

I get great pricing at our club for Zero brand Pistol bullets.

So I say hurry up and get those .224 Diameter bullets rolling.

David4516
July 10, 2013, 07:22 PM
If I read this correctly, they're going to stop producing almost all my favorite bullets.

The cartridges I load most often are 9x18 Makarov, .30-30 winchester, and .30-40 Krag.

I see on the list the 95gr XTP for the Mak, the 170gr flat point for the .30-30, and the 220gr round nose for the .30-40

Guess I won't be shooting for a while...

LAL357
July 10, 2013, 07:32 PM
saw a few i'm looking for now i've already replace some with smk's at this rate it wont matter if they do come back since i wont be using them anymore anyhow.one thing that got me it i've been looking for 75gr amax's for 7 months now and cant find any. then i go to a local pawn shop and he has 4 cases of them load in thier steel cases from the factory guess i know where they are going .

witchhunter
July 10, 2013, 09:20 PM
This explains the email I got from PV regarding my order. The .257 117 RN got cancelled. I had a bunch ordered for my .25/35.

David4516
July 11, 2013, 11:17 AM
So exactly which are the products that Hornady makes that no other bullet-maker makes?

They have a few actually. JHP bullets for the Makarov for example.

Speer used to make the Gold Dot in this caliber but I haven't seen it in a while now, I think that they're gone...

I am sure that there are others, I'm just using one that I'm familar with as an example...

Dave T
July 11, 2013, 02:05 PM
Ken, you asked what I was talking about. I was simply commenting on the link posted at the beginning of this thread where Hornady said they were not producing the handgun ammunition (not bullets) listed. I didn't make that up.

My more serious comment/question is...if the ammo and component makers are working 24/7 and turning out all the ammunition and components they can make, where the (expletive deleted) is it? I have visited a half dozen web sites on a regular basis looking for specific bulk reloading components for months. No one ever has ANYTHING. And you can add 22 Long Rifle to that list. I can't find it any where, just stories about what someone used to have or just sold out of.

Dave

BullfrogKen
July 11, 2013, 05:21 PM
I've seen MidwayUSA been able to keep Nosler 77gr 250 Ct bullets in stock for over a month straight now. Same with 500 ct Lake City primed 223 brass. They have 22 rimfire as well.

You just need to subscribe to the thread bds is maintaining here.

627PCFan
July 12, 2013, 10:09 AM
I just noticed they droppd their 125gn 357 ammo, but kept all other weights?

ATLDave
July 12, 2013, 11:07 AM
I just noticed they droppd their 125gn 357 ammo, but kept all other weights?

Further proof that "light and fast" is out of style at the moment.

grubbylabs
July 13, 2013, 01:02 PM
I don't think it is going to make things any worse, but it might make things just slightly better. The only thing that will make things significantly better is fixing our current hostile political climate.

And until every one and I mean every one figures out they they have to vote and be active, I don't see any thing getting any better. I am not sure that the left literally out number the conservatives, but they sure do seem to show up in greater numbers at the poles.

Old Fuff
July 13, 2013, 03:40 PM
I am not sure that the left literally out number the conservatives, but they sure do seem to show up in greater numbers at the poles.

Perhaps they expect to get something for nothing... :uhoh:

But you are right. To survive as gun owners we must be politically active, and get out and vote at the very least.

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