New Rule


March 20, 2004, 06:59 PM
After going to the range today, I propose a new rule (totally kidding), if someone's firearms are "tactical" they must spend at least 1/3rd of the sum value of their collection on training. I saw two groups of young patrons at the range today, each with many thousands of dollars of fine guns. Tricked out rem 870's, m1a's, wilson combat colts, and a whole lot of other good stuff. No training, no hunting, no competition. This guy with the wilson combat 1911, I really wanted to give him a few pointers but he looked several years older than me and pretty pumped about his 1911, so I didn't want to recommend he bring his feet closer together (they were roughly 3 feet apart from each other :) ). I asked them what they used the firearms for...going to the range and shooting paper. Forgive me for using the Front Sight terminology, but these folks were UI (unconciously incompetant), they had the right guns and the right gear, but no ability to use it! These guys were loaded so it wasn't a money issue, it was more of a "training, who needs it" issue. Anyone else met people like that?


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March 20, 2004, 07:12 PM
Anyone else met people like that? Periodically - yeah!:rolleyes: Fortunately I shoot at a pretty quiet range for the most part and don't have to endure much ''dufus'' exposure. :D

Strikes me ...... being very approx here .. that 10% of the ''tricked out dufus'' brigade .. can actually shoot and shoot well .. the rest are more into ''ain't mine cool'' ... and enjoying posing!

Out of those with all but out--the-box guns ... it's more likely that 90% CAN shoot - anything from adequate to damn well.

Appearances are usually deceptive of course but .. major ''bling-bling'' proponents do not usually seem too proficient or serious. Only my 2c of course!:)

Standing Wolf
March 20, 2004, 08:33 PM
Anyone else met people like that?

Now and then, yes. I was shooting outdoors not too long ago, and the ├╝bertactical couple a bench or two down the line were having a grand time blasting away at close targets, which they didn't unduly damage. They were shooting quite an assortment of big caliber semi-automatic pistols, and doing a sizeable quantity of cursing.

I just kept shooting bullseye with a trusty old .22 caliber High Standard at 25 yards, and apparently had more fun.

El Tejon
March 20, 2004, 08:41 PM
All the time on something called the Internet!:D


March 20, 2004, 08:42 PM
I run into them ever now and then we got one kid comes in has everything tactile even his cloths and funny thing is he cant shoot worth a beans..

Really bad when he come in with the Sig that is there match type gun and his groups look like buckshot

March 20, 2004, 08:44 PM might have been watching me. Sounds like me anyway. :)

March 20, 2004, 09:05 PM
Point 1: If they aren't acting in a dangerous manner, don't work up a sweat about it. As long as they are having fun it's a few more warm bodies enjoying a shooting range and not being anties.

Point 2: If they are only in the game for a short while until they get bored, then there will be some good gear coming on the market for a savy buyer to pick up. :)


March 20, 2004, 09:10 PM
Ken ... I'll give a thumbs up to both your points!!:)

March 21, 2004, 02:34 AM
Anyone else met people like that?Probably myself, except for the being loaded part. I want some training to get rid of this horrendous flinch, but no $$$ to do it with. Car needs a timing chain, valve seals, and a completely new exhaust system (manifold all the way back. :( ) 'Bout $2000 total right there. Sigh.

March 21, 2004, 02:40 AM
I gotta go with Ken on this one.

As long as they were "TRAINED" enough to handle their firearms in a safe and responsible manner then I say have at it and do what you wish.

Some people just like owning cool guns. They may not be very good shots, they may not want to learn to be a better shot. They may just very well want to come out and make some noise and burn some powder just for the hell of it. We need more people to do just that. Take up shooting for fun.

Sometimes the fun in shooting isn't making the best groups or even making groups at all. Sometimes its about playing cowboy, or James Bond, or UBERTACTICOOOL guy from the movies but doing it with the real guns.

Shoot safely, shoot responsibly and after that it is all gravy IMHO. Have fun.

My two cents.


Double Maduro
March 21, 2004, 02:04 PM
A few years ago a friend and I were working up loads for our 30-06's. You know the drill, load 3 rounds for each rifle, go to range, fire rounds, collect data, adjust, load more rounds, repeat as necessary.

Anyway a guy shows up with a Weatherby in .300 mag, puts up a target at the 100yd mark and bangs away with three rounds. There is a hole in each of three corners of the paper. He said, "close enough". We both jumped on him and by the time he left he was shooting one ragged hole in the center of the target. He had also burned through more ammo than he had in the 3 or 4 years he had owned the rifle.

What made him listen to us? We were shooting tighter groups, all in the black, at the same distance, with a Ruger SBH and Iron sights. He thought we must know something he didn't.

Anyway, he thanked us, he didn't know his rifle was capable of shooting that good.


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