.41 Mag does not equal .44 Mag


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Walkalong
July 14, 2013, 02:35 PM
I was loading up to go shoot yesterday and was grabbing my Redhawk in .44 Mag when I decided to shoot the Redhawk in .41 Mag instead. I slid the .44 back and grabbed the .41, along with some ammo. I also brought a couple of other pistols and rifles.

I make it to the range, shot a few 9MMs, then grabbed the Redhawk, loaded six rounds, took aim at a 1 liter bottle someone left on the 100 yard berm and it went phafiiiift, hitting about 5 yards low and 3 yards left. Weird. A quick check and yea, I grabbed the full power rounds, but even the midrange stuff should have shot better. I popped open the cylinder, checked the bore and it was clear. Then I popped the case out and it was split the entire length. Hmm, not unusual for a case to split, but these were fairly new. Hmm, it has a bulge too. That's when the light went on in my head. I grabbed my 1X reading glasses from my range bag (Yep, should have done this sooner), and sure enough, it read .44 Magnum on the barrel.

I know better than this...... Arghh. :o

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kelbro
July 14, 2013, 02:52 PM
We all make mistakes. Fortunately, no one was hurt as a result of this one. Bet you don't do that again!

huntershooter
July 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
Done it.

My first clue was 6" 25 yd. groups...
Note to self; when shooting identical MG's in .41 and .44 caliber, one out of the range bag at a time (in addition to pulling head from a#@).

Lost Sheep
July 14, 2013, 05:00 PM
Thanks for sharing, Walkalong. It is a cautionary tale that illustrates the benefit of NEVER assuming ANYTHING. If it can happen to someone as well-experienced as you, it can happen to any of us.

Yesterday, for the first time this year, I took my Ruger Bisley 45 Colt/45 ACP dual cylinder revolver out to the range with a bunch of 45 ACP ammo. Guess what? The 45 Colt cylinder was in place and, even though the appearance of the cylinders is vastly different (one fluted, the other not, but with engraving) and I dropped a round in a chamber and saw it drop WAY deep. THEN I wondered how I had gotten a .40 caliber round mixed in with my handloaded 45 ACP, especially weird since I don't own a .40. It took be a few seconds to figure out that I had the wrong cylinder in place.

Yeah. Pre-flight checklist. Good idea. But one can never think of everything.

Thanks again. Your confession gives the rest of us permission (and encouragement) to apply a healthy dose of self-doubt and double check in the name of safety.

Lost Sheep

Crashbox
July 14, 2013, 05:59 PM
I'm glad you and the Redhawk are OK.

Reminds me of the time I shot *several* 7x57's in an 1891 7.65 Argentine Mauser...

gamestalker
July 14, 2013, 06:09 PM
A bit more intense, but a few years back my Son managed to chamber a .270 win in the 7mm RM, both were set up visually identical. It went boom in a rather normal sense, but when he opened the bolt the case fell out in pieces.
It pays to take the extra few seconds it takes to read the barrel and ammo head stamp.

GS

armarsh
July 14, 2013, 06:17 PM
I can say with authority that you can fire a 380 out of a CZ82. It does not shoot well. It took me four tries to get the Raccoon. :o

W.E.G.
July 14, 2013, 06:58 PM
.308 fired in 30-06
http://looserounds.com/2012/09/30/subcaliber-munitions/

wgaynor
July 14, 2013, 07:06 PM
Reminds me of when a reloaded .30-.30 round got mixed into the reloaded 7.62x54r rounds...

Now I double check.

Jesse Heywood
July 14, 2013, 07:09 PM
I did that once with a Single Six. But you got a lot more bang for your buck!

Bush Pilot
July 14, 2013, 07:29 PM
Done it.

My first clue was 6" 25 yd. groups...
Note to self; when shooting identical MG's in .41 and .44 caliber, one out of the range bag at a time (in addition to pulling head from a#@).
That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a person do, you'd really have to have your head up your butt. Don't ask me how I know. BTW, mine were Redhawks.

Walkalong
July 14, 2013, 07:44 PM
Maybe we need old man big print Redhawks. *sigh*

Either that or we need to pay closer attention.....Yep

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=113604&d=1263862436

dagger dog
July 14, 2013, 07:44 PM
One of my friends was showing me his new Marlin bolt action 22 rifle, I didn't get to hold the gun but was agreeing with him on how nice it looked. He loaded the tube magazine, raised it up and fired it went PFHTTT, he gave a quizzical look and fired another PFHHT.

This time he walked over with his hand held out, I held out mine and he dropped the case into my hand and it was split all the way down, I asked to hold the rifle and looked at the roll markings it was a 22 WMR, he only had 22 long rifle ammo with him, the clerk that sold it to him said it was like the 357 Magnum and 38 S&W Special, and it would be cheaper to use the 22 LR !

Now that's a dumbA$$ attack !

Sam1911
July 14, 2013, 08:25 PM
Maybe we need old man big print Redhawks. *sigh*First time I've ever heard someone suggest Ruger should use LARGER print on the barrels of their guns! :D

Maybe they could add another line to the safety warning printed on the barrel:

"Attention! Please read the cartridge identification printed above this warning, and then compare the exact text seen there with the cartridge identification printed on the box, or boxes, of ammunition you plan to use, and on the head stamps on the case head of each individual cartridge you intend to shoot in this firearm. In the event that these identifying marks do not match exactly, consult a ---<PLEASE TURN GUN OVER TO CONTINUE READING THE PORTION OF THIS SAFETY WARNING NOTICE PRINTED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE -- EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION WITH REGARD TO MUZZLE DIRECTION WHILE INVERTING THIS FIREARM TO READ THE PORTION OF THIS SAFETY MESSAGE PRINTED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. (C) STURM RUGER & CO., PRESCOTT, AZ, USA, EARTH, SOLAR SYSTEM, SOLAR INTERSTELLAR NEIGHBORHOOD, MILKY WAY GALAXY, LOCAL GALACTIC GROUP, VIGO SUPERCLUSTER, KNOWN UNIVERSE...All Rights Reserved>"

Or words to that effect. :)

jmorris
July 14, 2013, 08:31 PM
I know a fellow that fired a 264 win mag through a 300 wby. Made quite an odd looking case.

ridgerunner1965
July 14, 2013, 08:41 PM
i once ran some 16 ga shotshells thru a 12 ga pump. i was so used to when i was growing up, that 16 shells were purple that black 16 ga shells just did not register.no damage done tho.

Hondo 60
July 14, 2013, 09:21 PM
Done that with a lite 44 mag load & a 45 Colt SAA.

No damage to the gun, but accuracy sure took a hit.
And the case was toast.

ADKWOODSMAN
July 14, 2013, 10:23 PM
270 Win. look funny when they are fired in a Garrand also!

rcmodel
July 14, 2013, 10:27 PM
Maybe we need old man big print Redhawks. *sigh*Get a can of red rust-olium and paint a stripe around the barrel on the .44.
Like the British did on our 30-06's we sent them.

Yea! That's the ticket!!!

It will make you famous at the range!!

rc

gmccusker
July 14, 2013, 10:28 PM
.44 Mag in a Ruger .45 Colt Bisley. Didn't hurt the Bisley, but 6 shots to discover the poor grouping? Yes, I'm old and ashamed....

JShirley
July 14, 2013, 10:29 PM
I was there when Byron reloaded one of his 1911s. With his Dan Wesson 10mm magazine. It went bang, too. Fortunately, no damage to people or gun.

Especially have to be careful when you have identical firearms in different calibers.

John

jimmyraythomason
July 15, 2013, 12:10 PM
my Son managed to chamber a .270 win in the 7mm RM, A friend of mine bought a Browning BAR in 7mm mag that had had a .270 win fired in it. It blew the extractor out,spred the receiver blowing the fcg out the bottom. I put the receiver in a vise and forced it back into position and replaced the extractor and spring. After putting several round of 7 mag through it without any ill effect,I pronounced it safe to shoot.That was a couple of hunting seasons ago and it has racked up a couple of nice bucks.

Dframe
July 15, 2013, 12:44 PM
I managed to fire a 44 special in a 45 colt once. And a friend of mine fired a 9mm in a 40 glock. made for a real interesting fired case but fortunately no damage or harm.

Bush Pilot
July 15, 2013, 01:38 PM
First time I've ever heard someone suggest Ruger should use LARGER print on the barrels of their guns! :D

Maybe they could add another line to the safety warning printed on the barrel:

"Attention! Please read the cartridge identification printed above this warning, and then compare the exact text seen there with the cartridge identification printed on the box, or boxes, of ammunition you plan to use, and on the head stamps on the case head of each individual cartridge you intend to shoot in this firearm. In the event that these identifying marks do not match exactly, consult a ---<PLEASE TURN GUN OVER TO CONTINUE READING THE PORTION OF THIS SAFETY WARNING NOTICE PRINTED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE -- EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION WITH REGARD TO MUZZLE DIRECTION WHILE INVERTING THIS FIREARM TO READ THE PORTION OF THIS SAFETY MESSAGE PRINTED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. (C) STURM RUGER & CO., PRESCOTT, AZ, USA, EARTH, SOLAR SYSTEM, SOLAR INTERSTELLAR NEIGHBORHOOD, MILKY WAY GALAXY, LOCAL GALACTIC GROUP, VIGO SUPERCLUSTER, KNOWN UNIVERSE...All Rights Reserved>"

Or words to that effect. :)
Don't give them any ideas

dickttx
July 15, 2013, 03:33 PM
I have different colored pistol bags for each of my 1911's-22, 9mm, 38 Super, 45. Same with different colored CaseGard ammo boxes for each caliber. Any help I can get to match up the right guns and ammo.
Just had to wait a few months to get a couple of Coyote colored bags for my 45's from Midway. Rested a couple of pistols during that time so I wouldn't forgetfully use the wrong ammo.

Rule3
July 15, 2013, 03:46 PM
never mind

mstreddy
July 16, 2013, 12:05 AM
In an earlier thread I referenced my story of a 9 in a 40, and a 9 in a 45 and 40 in 45.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a304/eddymartinez/cases.jpg
The 9 in a 40 is really quite benign when it happens. As the above poster mentioned, it goes bang -- not terribly accurate but will not cycle the slide. My buddy grabbed the 9 ammo loaded it in my 40 and shot. We looked at what happened and said -- OK, that was strange. Realized the mix up and corrected -- no harm no foul -- but I do get to laugh at him from time to time. The 9 in the 45 was ME - ALL ME!!! I grab my Colt 1911 in 9 (or so I thought) it sits in the safe right next to the Kimber in 45 and 2 other 1911s. Get to the range with the mags for 9, ammo, etc... Load mag, shoot one round, notice the very weak report and basically a keyhole in the target, no slide cycle either. Wonder what gives, manually rack, but have to pry the case to eject to find the 2nd pictured case and sit there for a second wondering what the @#$# caused that. -- Then of course I read the side plate and in bold script is KIMBER! -- Did I mention it was a 45 Kimber, not a 9? And of course another buddy is watching me and once we figure out no harm no foul proceeds to laugh at me -- imagine that! Needless to say, I had no 45 mags, or ammo, so that ended that portion of the days festivities.
The 40 in a 45 was another buddy, grabbed a 40 that was somehow mixed in with his open box of loose packed 45 and it went into the gun, same story, weak report, no cycle and out comes item 3. Those all happened within the last 2 years, so it's not like I intentionally set out to create artfully decorated cases. But I do keep them to remind me of what inattention can cause.

But since Walk and others have done it and owned up to it, I feel much better now!
But maybe we have to reconsider having the same gun in multiple calibers? --- naw, what am I thinking?

Havok7416
July 16, 2013, 03:34 AM
I keep my guns in distinct boxes for range trips with ammo boxes in caliber specific colors for the reasons listed in the OP although I don't have two of any kind of gun that can be mistaken for each other. I also won't let my .44 Mags come to the range with my .45 Colt for similar reasons.

gamestalker
July 16, 2013, 09:06 PM
I just remembered an event while shooting dove around a water hole. I was shoving shells into my 870 and dropped one. I bent down picked it up and continued loading the tube. Then as the birds flew in I shot and then shucked another round in, but nothing happened when I pulled the trigger. I thought, mis-fire, and when I tried to eject the suspect shell it didn't come out. After I manually got it out, I discovered it was a 16 ga. shell someone else had dropped where I had dropped my 12 ga. shell. The thing was, is it was exactly the same color and close enough in size I didn't notice. Thankfully it chambered too deep for the firing pin to touch it off.

I also remember a friend who managed to get his 30-06 mixed up with his .270 win. at the range. Nothing happened other than the necks splitting and accuracy was all over the place. He wasn't a reloader, so he couldn't put the pieces together as to why it even chambered. I was like, yes, 270 win. will chamber just fine in a 30-06.

GS

buck460XVR
July 16, 2013, 09:48 PM
....so much for the versatility of the .41 cartridge.

Lost Sheep
July 16, 2013, 11:38 PM
I was loading a few hundred 45ACP last year when I noticed that one
cartridge required more force crimping (taper crimp, of course) the
bullet. So, I pulled the suspect cartridge and observed that it was a
460 Rowland case that somehow had fond its way into my 45 ACP brass.
(460 Rowland is to 45 ACP as 44 Magnum is to 44 Special - same dimensions
except for the length.) So, essentially, the case mouth is now swaged into the bullet's side.

The truly scary part is not that I had failed to detect the stray
earlier, but that now, with the crimp fully applied in a strong press,
the cartridge can chamber in a standard 45 ACP barrel. Since the case
mouth extends past the chamber shoulder and goes into the bullet sides it is a super-crimp (and unlikely to be able to release the bullet). This is a guarantee to destroy a pistol.

NEVER take ANYTHING for granted.

Lost Sheep

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