Lead bullets in mid-large bolt rifles for hunting paper


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jeeptim
July 15, 2013, 07:50 PM
Find meyself shooting lots of paper and casting. Looking to shoot 150gr ish lead out a of 303brit,30/06,7.62x54r. At 100 yards. With the current powder situation i mean you gotta use what you have or can get. So what do we think is a good starting speed easy on me my old guns and accurate. Want to keep the bullet in one chunk and not lead uo my old toys.
Thanx

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DeadFlies
July 15, 2013, 08:00 PM
Unique should fit the bill. Or Trailboss.

I use these two for shooting lead in my 30-30 and they produce very easy-recoiling loads with plenty of velocity to shoot 100 yards and no leading. The Unique loads are somewhere around 1500fps and the TB loads are maybe pushing 1200fps. I don't have a chrono so I'm just going by what others have reported with similar loads.

Not sure how much to use for larger .30 cal rifles but I would guess somewhere around 12-15 grains of Unique.

There are probably other powders that would work (like Red Dot) but these are the only two with which I have any experience.

rcmodel
July 15, 2013, 08:06 PM
If you shoot lead bullets in anything?

You need to buy the Lyman #49 reloading manual, or the Lyman Cast bullet handbook.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/217655/lyman-reloading-handbook-49th-edition-reloading-manual-softcover

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/867465/lyman-cast-bullet-handbook-4th-edition-book

More info & load data in them for every caliber then from any other source.

rc

greyling22
July 15, 2013, 11:57 PM
the original modern reloading 2nd edition had a whole section on reduced loads for shooting lead in the 30/30, 308, and 30-06. If you will PM me when I am home over the weekend I can shoot you some screenshots or pics of pages. I have lyman 48, lyman cast #3, original lee, and maybe some other stuff. You could also ask around over at castboolits. those guys know everything.

HEAVY METAL 1
July 17, 2013, 12:08 AM
Google up "The Load" by Ed Harris. I have used that in my 91/30 MN and get ~ 2 inch groups at 100yd. Recoil is about like a .22. This is a very economical load. It is very easy on the brass too.

Canuck-IL
July 17, 2013, 12:25 AM
3rd post in the thread ... works great.
http://forum1.aimoo.com/cast___boolits__/category/Ed-Harris-The-Load-1-360981.html

/Bryan

kerreckt
July 17, 2013, 08:23 AM
Another vote for "The Load". The answer to many of life's important questions is in this paper.

Don McDowell
July 18, 2013, 11:17 PM
5744 is probably the best cast bullet powder. You can also use hodgdons youth data for 4895.
4227,sr4759, 4198, 2400 and bludot all have their following for cast loads.
Leading is more likely a result of poor bullet to groove fit, or junky lube.

dragon813gt
July 19, 2013, 06:18 AM
If you shoot lead bullets in anything?

You need to buy the Lyman #49 reloading manual, or the Lyman Cast bullet handbook.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/217655/lyman-reloading-handbook-49th-edition-reloading-manual-softcover

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/867465/lyman-cast-bullet-handbook-4th-edition-book

More info & load data in them for every caliber then from any other source.

rc

While I agree that you should have them. I very rarely use them because their data is limited in powder selection and it's mostly Lyman molds. The newest cast bullet handbook does have info for some non Lyman molds but it's not that many. I find the Lee book more valuable. It doesn't have bullet profiles or seating depths which is it's drawback. But there is a much larger powder selection and it's usually over a larger weight range. I still look at every source I have and can find online before I work up a load.


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ArchAngelCD
July 20, 2013, 12:33 AM
Find meyself shooting lots of paper and casting. Looking to shoot 150gr ish lead out a of 303brit,30/06,7.62x54r. At 100 yards. With the current powder situation i mean you gotta use what you have or can get. So what do we think is a good starting speed easy on me my old guns and accurate. Want to keep the bullet in one chunk and not lead uo my old toys.
Thanx
"Back-In-The-Day" there was mostly lead bullets even for rifles. Unique and 2400 were used a lot. You can also use SR 4759 and the much newer Trail Boss. Red Dot, Green Dot, PB and similar shotgun powders all will work. I have also found H4895 will work well with lead bullets especially in the 30-06, 30-30 and 303 British.

If you can get a hold of any of those powders you will be able to shoot lead bullets in rifles quite well. If you use a bullet with a gas check you can then also use W748, IMR3031, RL-7 and a few others too. Lyman #47 lists 14 powders with a 151gr Lead bullet in the 30-06 so there are plenty of choices available to us.

GP100man
July 20, 2013, 11:19 AM
THE BOOLIT PLACE !!

CastBoolits.com

Simon_Edmondson
July 21, 2013, 03:46 AM
I have found that Trailboss loads work best at around the minimum, so for .303 Brit I usually use 10.5 grains and a Gas check. You can seat gas checks with a Lee sizer that fits in a normal press, they are cheap here in Australia, so they must be very affordable in the US. Get the .314 if you can so that you don't actually size the boolit.

In my .375 H&H I found that the minimum (20grains) was performing the best. I did buy a Lee factory crimp die for the H&H and found it made a perceivable difference. I plan on getting one for the .303 too.

I have no idea how fast they are going, but neither is the pussycat you would think considering the recoil, .22 RF for the .303 and around a hot .357 out of a 1894c for the .375

They are definitely fun to shoot, don't expect Berger accuracy, but for good plinking fun they are great.

Jim Watson
July 21, 2013, 12:43 PM
A friend's recommendation of the old standard of 20 gr of 2400 in .30-06 worked well with his linotype bullets, but the usual "half lino" mix did better with Ed Harris' 16 grain load and bullets in the 160-180 gr range.

I didn't have any Red Dot to try The Load, but 12 grains of 700X and a Laser Cast 165 gr plain base shot quite well. Same bullet and 7 grains of 700X was nearly as accurate with barely any recoil and so little report you would just giggle to shoot it.

Slower burning powders and higher velocities can be done, but it takes GOOD bullets, of good alloy, good lube, gas check, right diameter, right seating, etc., etc.

blarby
July 21, 2013, 05:34 PM
20 grs of H4895 under a 150 works good in my .308

22 grs of same in .30-06

I've used unique- I liked H4895 better. This fall I'm going to try I 4895 Now that I finally have a good .308 bullet mould of my own- I expect similar results.

110gr on top

150 gr on bottom

Two of my better snags this year :D

Btw- that mould wrapping is a thing of genius if I do say so myself- If you don't have any of the old lyman greasepaper around..... A coffee filter coated in oil, wrapped around the mould blocks and stored in a ziploc bag. Works great.

Elkins45
July 21, 2013, 10:55 PM
16 grains of 2400 seems to work great in every cartridge 308 and larger I've tried it in. So has 13 grains of Promo (my version of 'the load').

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