Finally got a SIG P220 after many years of lustful thoughts


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1KPerDay
July 16, 2013, 05:27 PM
Exactly the type I wanted... stamped slide, KC date code, basically new. Very little use, judging by the minimal smiley on the barrel. No wear on rails. Sexy old-style grips.

Seller misplaced the original mags but provided stainless 8 rounders instead; didn't bother me as I wanted primarily a shooter. And it shoots!

First 5 rounds out of the gun, 25 feet standing, Rem/UMC ball:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/SIG%20P220/IMAG0721_zpsb85defc2.jpg

Then ran through a few mags full at steel plates at 20 yards; didn't miss a single one. Oh, yes... I like this pistol. I may eventually get a short reset trigger but I could get used to it the way it is. My P226 (which is my primary competition pistol) has the short reset and short reach and it's very nice, but this feels verrrry good.

Sorry about the crappy cellphone pics... thought some might want to see them.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/SIG%20P220/IMAG0711_zps6a76e113.jpg
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allaroundhunter
July 16, 2013, 05:34 PM
I'm pretty sure that every P220 that I have shot came with stainless magazines.

Beautiful pistol, and it certainly is a shooter!

1858
July 16, 2013, 06:41 PM
I have a P220 just like that with the original spur style hammer. I bought it NIB in '92/'93 ... it came in a cardboard box with a test target. You made a great choice there ... ENJOY!!


I'm pretty sure that every P220 that I have shot came with stainless magazines.


My first P220 came with blued steel 7-round magazines ... I still have them.

JDGray
July 16, 2013, 06:52 PM
Very nice! I've tried to like Sig triggers, but just cant get used to them:( It took me 300rds to get a group like yours, then next time out, gotta get used to it again...

9mmepiphany
July 16, 2013, 07:36 PM
Very nice choice.

I must say that I've never seen one with the original (sharp) spur hammer with the dovetailed front sight. The last one I saw had the front sight as part of the slide...and it did come in an orange cardboard box. Every dovetailed front sight model I've seen has been in a black plastic box like the one you have.

I really do like the older style checker grip panels too. Do you know if you have the longer mainspring with the steel retainer or the shorter one with the plastic boot?

I'm pretty sure that every P220 that I have shot came with stainless magazines.
The original, German made, factory magazines were all in blued steel...mine all have the dovetail rear seam. The stainless magazines are all manufactured in Italy by Mec-Gar

Fremmer
July 16, 2013, 08:14 PM
Nice pistol, it looks so good without a rail!

1KPerDay
July 16, 2013, 08:45 PM
Do you know if you have the longer mainspring with the steel retainer or the shorter one with the plastic boot?
I guess the longer metal one... the guide rod is metal with a lip on it that butts against the spring.

I think. don't think I've ever seen a plastic one.

1KPerDay
July 16, 2013, 08:46 PM
Nice pistol, it looks so good without a rail!
I agree... I'm not a fan of the rails.

JTQ
July 16, 2013, 09:23 PM
9mmepiphany wrote,
Do you know if you have the longer mainspring with the steel retainer or the shorter one with the plastic boot?

1KPerDay wrote,
I guess the longer metal one... the guide rod is metal with a lip on it that butts against the spring.

I think. don't think I've ever seen a plastic one.

I'm pretty sure 9mmepiphany is talking about the mainspring, along the backstrap, found inside the grip, while I'm pretty sure you are talking about the recoil spring.

1KPerDay
July 16, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oh, duh. right. Haven't looked at the mainspring.

KodeFore
July 16, 2013, 10:41 PM
Nice looking gun.

1858
July 16, 2013, 11:17 PM
Every dovetailed front sight model I've seen has been in a black plastic box like the one you have.

My P220 (top) has a dovetailed front sight and spur hammer and it came in a cardboard box which I still have along with a test target. When I bought it from The Place To Shoot in Portland, Oregon in late '92 or early '93 there was only one SIG P220 model available. I much prefer Hogue grips over the factory ones.

http://thr.mcmxi.org/pistols/sig/p220/photos/p220_p220_carry.jpg

1858
July 16, 2013, 11:22 PM
By the way, I bought my first P225 back in '95 which also came in a cardboard box with a test target and I still have those too. Back then I don't ever remember seeing a SIG sold in a plastic box. Don't make me get my camera out and start taking photos of cardboard boxes and test targets ... 'cause I will. :scrutiny:

1KPerDay
July 17, 2013, 12:49 AM
Go ahead.... IMO the P225 is the quintessential SIG. Wanna sell me yours? :D

Arkansas Paul
July 17, 2013, 12:57 AM
The P220 was my first experience with Sig pistols and I was instantly in love. It belonged to a co worker that I met up with for a range day once. It's definitely on my want list.
For now I have a SP2022 and I guess it will have to do me until I am in a position to get a real one. :)

1858
July 17, 2013, 12:59 AM
Wanna sell me yours?

I've only got two .... maybe if I had three. :D They are outstanding pistols though.

http://thr.mcmxi.org/pistols/sig/p225/photos/p225_01.jpg

1KPerDay
July 17, 2013, 01:04 AM
Dang... Droolworthy. You don't really need TWO, right? Nudge nudge :D

1858
July 17, 2013, 01:07 AM
I'll have to think about it. :scrutiny:

Bovice
July 17, 2013, 04:37 AM
Nice gun! I have an old P220 as well, it's easily my most accurate pistol. It has the checkered grips too, which I'm especially fond of. It's a '96 though and has the rounded rebounding hammer. I have two nearly mint 7 round mags, and to be honest I prefer the newer 8s. The baseplate on the 7 doesn't have much meat on it, and it's a little funky to seat it quickly on a closed slide. The 8s have that nice bumper to slap.

When you go to change recoil springs, make sure you get the one with green marking paint. The red ones are for the short slide versions.

rodinal220
July 17, 2013, 12:48 PM
My P220 served me well and never had any issues with it. It was completely reliable and very accurate. I prefer these older folded slide SIGs and do not care for the rail models. My gun was a mid 90s production and came with the blue/phosphate zipper-back mags. I used mostly Mec-Gar mags(7 rnd) before they actually started making the SIG mags,they worked flawlessly. The early 8(90s) round P220 mags did not have the best rep for reliability.

1KPerDay
July 17, 2013, 01:15 PM
Thanks for the tips, Bovice. :cool:


After shooting a couple of mags, my brother was curious if it recoiled more than a full-size steel 1911... so we did a quick test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYGmpB1_pXo

Results for those who can't abide cell-phone videos:

Completely non-scientific, subjective evaluation of the felt recoil and muzzle flip of the SIG P220, 1992 date, alloy frame, .45 ACP, compared to the Dan Wesson Heritage Razorback 1911, steel frame, 2011 date, .45 ACP. Ammo used was Remington/UMC 230 grain ball.

Results: Shooter 1 felt the SIG kicked more and the recoil felt "faster"; Shooter 2 felt the SIG had slightly more recoil to the hand overall, but the 1911 had more muzzle flip. Both are awesome handguns.

Bovice
July 17, 2013, 02:17 PM
I guess I can see the "fast" recoil thing in comparison to a 1911. The 220 is a tad shorter and lighter than the typical 1911. I think it feels like catching a not-so-softly thrown softball in the web of a glove.

I should post a picture of one of my first groups with my P220. it looks remarkably similar to yours.

I have new SIGs and old, but not one of them seems as well "fit" together like my 220.

9mmepiphany
July 17, 2013, 06:11 PM
Completely non-scientific, subjective evaluation of the felt recoil and muzzle flip of the SIG P220, 1992 date, alloy frame, .45 ACP, compared to the Dan Wesson Heritage Razorback 1911, steel frame, 2011 date, .45 ACP. Ammo used was Remington/UMC 230 grain ball.

Results: Shooter 1 felt the SIG kicked more and the recoil felt "faster"; Shooter 2 felt the SIG had slightly more recoil to the hand overall, but the 1911 had more muzzle flip. Both are awesome handguns.
Thanks for the videos. I always find them interesting when comparing two guns with the same shooter...adding a second shooter just made it better.

The SIG 220 is about the same size as the 1911 Commander and the lighter slide does come back a bit faster.

The DW did seem to have a bit more muzzle flip, which would be a bit different that common belief as the SIG's bore is a bit higher above the hand...but what you felt is what I observed in the vid of you shooting

Shuler13
July 17, 2013, 06:14 PM
I have a 220 carry and love it. I do think the 227 will replace it.

1KPerDay
July 17, 2013, 06:21 PM
Thanks for the videos. I always find them interesting when comparing two guns with the same shooter...adding a second shooter just made it better.

The SIG 220 is about the same size as the 1911 Commander and the lighter slide does come back a bit faster.

The DW did seem to have a bit more muzzle flip, which would be a bit different that common belief as the SIG's bore is a bit higher above the hand...but what you felt is what I observed in the vid of you shooting
Yeah, I would have bet money the 1911 would have less muzzle flip. But pudding=proof.

WRGADog
July 17, 2013, 06:25 PM
I have a P220 Elite Dark and love the gun. It is reliable, accurate, and very soft shooting. One of my favorite guns.

planetmobius
July 19, 2013, 12:26 AM
A W Germany P220 has been my duty gun for the pst 15 years and I will never let it go. It has a dovetail front sight and blue steel mags.

nwilliams
July 19, 2013, 05:15 AM
Congrats on your P220 you made a great choice!

My daily carry is a P220R Elite Dark and I love it. I've always believed that the the 1911 is still the best .45 ACP firearm ever made, which if you ask me makes the Sig 220 the second best!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Sig%20P220R%20Elite%20Dark/sigp220-4_zpsc6771f20.jpg (http://s211.photobucket.com/user/nwilliams27/media/Sig%20P220R%20Elite%20Dark/sigp220-4_zpsc6771f20.jpg.html)

1KPerDay
July 19, 2013, 12:49 PM
I need some 10-round mags so I can run it in Heavy Metal 3-gun matches.... got any sources? They seem to be rare as hen's teeth.

Bovice
July 19, 2013, 02:00 PM
I'm not gonna lie... I hate those 10 round magazines. I had some and got rid of them all. They stick a solid 2" out of the gun, ruin the balance, and look utterly ridiculous. Plus, fast reloads with them are... weird. They're too long.

Run 8s in heavy metal like a boss.

1KPerDay
July 19, 2013, 02:24 PM
Run 8s in heavy metal like a boss.
:D

My reloads are slow enough, thanks. I don't want to do more of them than necessary.

Bovice
July 19, 2013, 03:33 PM
When I switched to CDP from SSP in IDPA, it ended up improving my reload splits because I was having to do it so much more often. You'll get better as a result of it.

Heavy metal 3-gunners are supposed to be a little more hardcore anyway, aren't they? :-p

Elkins45
July 20, 2013, 04:54 PM
Very nice choice.

I must say that I've never seen one with the original (sharp) spur hammer with the dovetailed front sight. The last one I saw had the front sight as part of the slide...and it did come in an orange cardboard box. Every dovetailed front sight model I've seen has been in a black plastic box like the one you have.

I really do like the older style checker grip panels too. Do you know if you have the longer mainspring with the steel retainer or the shorter one with the plastic boot?


The original, German made, factory magazines were all in blued steel...mine all have the dovetail rear seam. The stainless magazines are all manufactured in Italy by Mec-Gar

My P220 was bought in either 87 or 88. It has the spur hammer but not the dovetailed front sight. It came in a blue cardboard box with a test target. The mags were the blue dovetailed 7 rounders. It is the most accurate auto I own and is second only to my S&W 19 as my most accurate handgun.

It came with the old style hard plastic grips with the sharp checkering, but it's currently wearing Hogue's because it has an annoying tendency for the grip screws to back out after 25-30 rounds with the stock grips. If I were carrying it I would reinstall the original grips.

MOUNTAIN WILLIAM
July 21, 2013, 05:10 PM
My first "P220" was known as a "BDA" back in '79 and it certainly established a long running love affair with the platform that continues to this day.

I haven't owned (kept) an alloy model since SIG introduced the all stainless models. I've found that the SS models have much less muzzle flip than the lighter weight alloy models and they just shoot better for me.

When SIG released the gaudy "Diamond Plate" edition I just had to have one. I waited for an all stainless version and as we all know, one never materialized. SIG even went so far as to discontinue the "Diamond Plate" model. Well I never!

As I already had a pair of all stainless P220's on hand, I snagged a couple of the alloy framed "Diamond Plate" models and did some parts swapping to come up with a model that SIG should have made to begin with. An all stainless "Diamond Plate" P220. Naturally, SRT kits were installed too.

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx142/MOUNTAINWILLIAM/IMG_2688.jpg (http://s750.photobucket.com/user/MOUNTAINWILLIAM/media/IMG_2688.jpg.html)

And of course a snazzy Sharkskin holster was called for.

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx142/MOUNTAINWILLIAM/IMG_2602.jpg (http://s750.photobucket.com/user/MOUNTAINWILLIAM/media/IMG_2602.jpg.html)

Airburst
July 21, 2013, 05:27 PM
I picked up a nickel plated 220 about three years ago. I was shooting groups like the OP was the first time out. This is my one and only Sig left in the safe and its not going anywhere. :D
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/Gassydog/SigP220_zps1ce812d8.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/Gassydog/media/SigP220_zps1ce812d8.jpg.html)

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