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enloe
July 19, 2013, 10:24 AM
I am new to loading military brass. I am about to purchase a primer pocket swager.
Either a Dillon or an RCBS. Can some of you give me your opinions of the pros and cons on each of these. RCBS make one like the dillon and they also make one that mounts in the press.

Thanks

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gahunter12
July 19, 2013, 10:45 AM
I have a Dillon 600 Super Swage. I Love it! It's very easy to use, and only took 5min to set up correctly, and find that sweet spot. I have only had mine for a month, and processed about 3k cases thus far. As of now I can't think of any cons. I have never used either of the RCBS swagers.

moxie
July 19, 2013, 11:00 AM
I've got both RCBS versions. I much prefer the bench mounted one. Works well.

kayaks
July 19, 2013, 11:22 AM
The Dillon Super Swage is hard to beat.

Dframe
July 19, 2013, 11:29 AM
Mines an old RCBS model. Works well.

enloe
July 19, 2013, 12:23 PM
Is there one of you guys that has one of the bench mount units you would want to sell?

medalguy
July 19, 2013, 12:30 PM
Good luck. Once used the swagers are something no one wants to sell off. I use the Dillon and haven't found anything that comes even close to it for speed and ease of use. Sometimes I see a used Dillon on fleabay but they usually go for what a new one sells for, if not more.

enloe
July 19, 2013, 12:42 PM
I heard that i just thought there might be someone who did not load any military brass anymore.

3GunEric
July 19, 2013, 12:45 PM
My Dillon has been good as gold for 15 years - still going strong!

Rule3
July 19, 2013, 01:31 PM
I have the RCBS die style. The original or older version. I can not say I care for it. Seems labor intensive to me and does not get rid of the crimp completely.

Maybe I am doing something wrong or my wimpy LEE C press is not strong enough? I do not think I can use it on the Turret?

If you have the money and can find one, get the bench version of either.

I would rather ream them out with a attachment on the drill.

Did I mention I hate de crimping?:banghead:

stubbicatt
July 19, 2013, 08:57 PM
The Dillon has a rod which protrudes into the case and holds the case head against the swage rod. If the device you are looking at purports to hold the case head against the swage rod by using the extractor groove, don't buy that one. I bought a C&H Tool and Die version of that swage kit, and the lack of the rod from within the case caused several torn rims.

moxie
July 19, 2013, 09:20 PM
The RCBS unit has the rod like the Dillon.

rodregier
July 19, 2013, 09:28 PM
I run a Dillion SS600 on a piece of 2x4 wood. That permits me to swage brass while watching videos. Since swaging is mostly by feel and doesn't involve volatile components, it work out well.

rcmodel
July 19, 2013, 09:30 PM
Maybe I am doing something wrong or my wimpy LEE C press is not strong enough?Three points that will help.

1. You are moving brass where it doesn't want to go, just like re-sizing cases.
So a light spritz of sizing lube in the primer pockets will go a long way to easing the operation.

2. If you can't get complete crimp removal?
Grind a couple three thou off the end of the swaging punch so it can enter the primer pocket just a frog-hair more.

3. Sort all brass be head-stamp before swaging.
The inside support rod has to be adjusted to the case head thickness of each brand of brass, or it will not allow full swaging on different thickness case heads.

rc

Woolecox
July 20, 2013, 12:15 AM
Is there one of you guys that has one of the bench mount units you would want to sell?
Dillon is pretty well caught up. I got mine in about 2 weeks.

gahunter12
July 20, 2013, 12:31 AM
Yea I think Dillon is getting caught up. A shooting buddy of mine just ordered a SS600, cal Conv kit, Deluxe quick change kit on Sunday 2 weeks ago, and received his shippment a week later.

higgite
July 20, 2013, 01:18 AM
I have a Dillon 600 Super Swage. I Love it! It's very easy to use, and only took 5min to set up correctly, and find that sweet spot.
This ^^^ saved me some typing.

Someone mentioned CH4D. I have one of their press mounted swagers and it works well if you ever get it adjusted right. But, I found that adjusting it right was just a hair more difficult than balancing a watermelon on a marble.

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