I wonder why Hogdon has no WST data for 9mm


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HOOfan_1
July 20, 2013, 10:32 AM
I use W231/HP-38 for 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. But in this shortage I can't find any, and WST seems to be available.


Reading other message boards it seems WST is prefered over W231 for .45 ACP because it is cleaner and needs less powder for comparable velocities.

Hogdon has data for .40 S&W and .45 ACP, but nothing for 9mm. I would think if anyone would have the data, it would be Hogdon.

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bds
July 20, 2013, 10:50 AM
There is no current published load data for WST and 9mm from Hodgdon nor in older 1999-2005 load data from Winchester. Interestingly, there are plenty of WST load data for 40S&W and 45ACP in current/older load data from Hodgdon/Winchester. Lyman #49 only shows WST load data for 45ACP.

Perhaps this may help - http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=144946&p=1928938

1997 "Hornady HandBook Of Cartridge Reloading" ... Page #174 ... 124 Grain:

Hornady # 3556 FMJ-FP............(Full Metal Jacket Flat Point)
Hornady # 3557 FMJ-RN...........(Full Metal Jacket Round Nose)
Hornady # 3567 LRN.................(Lead Round Nose)

Using WIN WST Powder load as follows:

4.8 GR @ 1025 FPS
5.0 GR @ 1050 FPS
5.2 GR @ 1075 FPS
5.4 GR @ 1100 FPS Maximum Load Use With Caution!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=493588
I've been doing a lot of shooting w/ WST out of 9mm, but using 125gr LFP from Precision Bullets.

125gr bullets in 9mm using WST with mean velocity in fps:

Wt. Mean ES SD
4.0 1008 23 9
4.2 1032 57 21
4.4 1035 82 32
4.6 1068 65 23
4.8 1087 40 15
5.0 1110 67 26

More links with chrono data (But use unpublished load data at your own risk!):

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=144946&#entry1626833

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=111615

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69725

zxcvbob
July 20, 2013, 11:26 AM
I think Hodgdons hasn't done a lot of handgun testing with it just because of that 'W' in the name. (it's even worse with WSF, which is a wonderful powder with almost no data)

popper
July 20, 2013, 12:25 PM
Same problem here, no HP-38, got a # of WST. Guess I'll start @ 4 gr for 130 gr 9mm.

bds
July 20, 2013, 01:04 PM
it's even worse with WSF, which is a wonderful powder with almost no data
Huh? Hodgdon (http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp) has plenty of 9mm load data for WSF. I like it for full power loads, especially with Speer Gold Dot bullets.
115 gr FMJ WSF Start 4.9 gr (1060 fps) 24,200 PSI - Max 5.7 gr (1195 fps) 31,900 PSI

115 gr JHP WSF Start 5.2 gr (1095 fps) 28,700 PSI - Max 5.7 gr (1165 fps) 32,100 PSI

124 gr FMJ WSF Start 4.7 gr (1015 fps) 27,700 PSI - Max 5.3 gr (1115 fps) 32,700 PSI

124 gr LEAD RN WSF Start 4.0 gr (945 fps) 22,200 PSI - Max 4.7 gr (1055 fps) 27,300 PSI

147 gr FMJ WSF Start 3.9 gr (895 fps) 28,400 PSI - Max 4.3 gr (950 fps) 32,300 PSI

147 gr JHP WSF Start 4.0 gr (900 fps) 30,100 PSI - Max 4.3 gr (935 fps) 32,300 PSI

147 gr LEAD CFP WSF Start 3.7 gr (905 fps) 28,500 PSI - Max 4.1 gr (965 fps) 32,800 PSI

HOOfan_1
July 20, 2013, 01:15 PM
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=144946&#entry1626833



Get the WSF... It produces velocities similar to HS-6 with a lower charge weight.. WST is a powder better reserved for target loads in lower pressure rounds like 45 ACP, 38 special, etc. I am not saying WST will not work, I am just saying that WSF powder can turn up the 9mm and 125 gr bullets easily and safely, whereas WST can not without concerning pressures.


hmmm maybe that is why, but the .40 S&W isn't exactly a low pressure round

buck460XVR
July 20, 2013, 01:43 PM
I think Hodgdons hasn't done a lot of handgun testing with it just because of that 'W' in the name.


Even if that is true(which I doubt because they distribute just as much "W" powder as "H" or "IMR") it doesn't explain why NO other published load manuals show any recipes.(At least the ones I have don't...Hornady, Speer, Lymans, Nosler along with the Hodgdons) Whenever I see a powder missing from the recipes listed in a large variety of published sources, I assume it it because the powder is a poor choice for the components being used in that caliber. Don't know what else it could be.

Shmackey
July 20, 2013, 03:47 PM
WST is fantastic for light 9mm loads. It's definitely not a bad powder for the round, and not as touchy as Clays. I suppose if you tried to make +P rounds with it, you could get into trouble. But the same could be said for Bullseye, another excellent 9mm choice.

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