Alright rifle country, lets see some uncommon rifles


Comrade Mike
July 24, 2013, 05:39 PM
This AG42 the most obscure thing I own. 1 of 30000 made. I recently acquired it and I absolutely love it. Very interesting design. Sadly haven't gotten a chance to shoot it yet. Soon, I hear they're very accurate for a battle rifle.


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July 24, 2013, 05:44 PM
I recently purchased a Hakim rifle (the AG-42's Egyptian cousin) and they're a blast to shoot. I think you'll be very happy with the AG-42.

July 24, 2013, 05:54 PM
Do your research before shooting your AG42b. Much like a garand they must be fed ammunition using powders of the appropriate burn rate.

Strange fact: the ag42 required ammunition to be lightly oiled to ensure reliable function. (Rem oil works great)

Comrade Mike
July 24, 2013, 05:57 PM
Do your research before shooting your AG42b. Much like a garand they must be fed ammunition using powders of the appropriate burn rate.

Strange fact: the ag42 required ammunition to be lightly oiled to ensure reliable function. (Rem oil works great)

Already taken care of :D but thanks for the extra heads up. I've got rounds loaded with 4895 and 4064 to try and Rem oil already in the range bag.

July 24, 2013, 06:07 PM
Sounds like you're all set!

I tend to warn the beginner collector away from the Ljungman because of the details needed to know to ensure shooting one is a safe experience. But for someone like you they're a rewarding rifle to own.

July 24, 2013, 06:15 PM
Be careful when racking the action. That rifle can make a Garand thumb feel like a hang nail in comparison. Ask me how I know.

July 24, 2013, 09:16 PM
The AG42 or the Hakim? Or the Rasheed? ;)

Someone here once suggested leaving one out on a coffee table for an intruder to attempt to wield against you--inevitably ending with them on the floor clutching the bloody stump that was once their thumb :D;)

"Yeah, just hold that back so you can pop in a round and..." :evil:

My "uncommonest" rifle is a Luxembourg FN49 in 30-06; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age, soon replaced by ugly FAL's for ugly conflicts in ugly places like swamps and jungles :neener:
Not my photo; my rifle looks this good, my photography of it, not so much :o

I also have a VZ58, which is "uncommon" by AK standards (I guess), and an FNAR, which is an "uncommon" variant of the Browing BAR hunting rifle optimized for detachable magazines and rail-mounted sights. On my "next" list are two that are veritable unicorns here in the States; an STGW57 and an AR70. The STG is a SIG-built interpretation of the H&K G3 (but even bigger), and the AR70 is basically an Italian-built AK made to the standards and likeness of an AR15. Luckily, we have these things called 'parts kits' that can make such dreams a reality :D


July 25, 2013, 09:37 AM
Pshaw! There barnbwt! Those Belgians only made an elegant rifle in the FN49, because they copied an even more elegant rifle, bred for, and used in, the ugliest of conflicts, but whose graceful lines evoked the admiration even of its enemies, no matter where it may be found: (

The SVT 40 possesses some of the greatest design details, commonly copied by others, of any firearm of the 20th Century! The tilting bolt, used by FN in the FN49 and FAL, check. The fluted chamber, used by HK in their successful G3, check. The adjustable gas system, used by FN again in the FN49 and FAL, check. The out of battery disconnector, used my nearly every postwar design, but regrettably omitted from the oh-so-popular Garand. Check. And a magazine design which accepts rimmed cartridges but doesn't rim lock! Something the Brits were either unable or unwilling to do for their SMLE. Check.

Elegant to look at, a pleasure to use, and possessing so many advanced design details, yes? :) Maybe not exactly uncommon, but not exactly common here in the US either.:cool:

July 25, 2013, 11:50 AM
This is a Noreen Firearms BN-36.

Basically it's an AR pattern rifle chambered in 30-06.
My other term for it is a 21 century M1918 BAR / Colt Monitor.

Recoil is very manageable (little bit more than 5.56 but not much) and it's pretty obscure (less than 1000 made, so far)

22" barrel with a nice muzzle break, 20 round mag and I put a Geisselle Super Dynamic 3Gun trigger on it. Yes it's FAST. Surprisingly well balanced and it's tipping the scales right around 10 pounds with full mag and optics. (Slightly better than my Garand with more firepower)
And MUCH better than an M1918 BAR full loaded out.

Does it have a few teething problems? Yep, adjustable gas block requires setting when you get it.
Still tweaking it but this is pretty much my primary rifle and it will do 2 MOA no problem. (It's a battle rifle not a sniper weapon)

Planning on smoothing the lower receiver, a skeleton stock, better pistol grip, and the bolt charging handle will get enlarged and smoothed with a custom knob (personal preference). Using a magnifier and Eotech because honestly I just don't have a scope good enough to mount on this little beast. (yet)

Here it is next to other tools.

For the smiths/mechanics, uses standard AR-15 parts in most places (fire control / lower receiver) except for the bolt, barrel nut / float tube which is AR-10 based.

Why did I choose it?
I LOVE the 30-06, properly loaded it's just better than a 308 (and German Salazar seems to agree)
During the 2013 great ammo famine I noticed that 5.56 / 308 rounds were just flat out gone. What remained on the shelf? 30-06.
They are planning and working on .270 Winchester and 25-06 chamberings.

Also I am planning a few more items
Belt fed modification (I'd love it but that's $4000 minimum at Valkyrie Armory / Ares Armor)
Specialized ammo development
Need to tap and drill the float tube to install picatinny rails (this is now standard on new BN36 rifles)
I am definitely planning on additional uppers ... why?

8mm Mauser
7mm Mauser
338-06 A-Square
35 Whelen (poor man's magnum)
9.3 x 63 (European Big game catridge)
375 Whelen

Also have an Ackley Improved Variant which makes your brass life much longer
Then there are the Gibbs series of cartridges or possibly even 30-06 JDJ

NOTE: bump fire stocks will need to be significantly adjusted to allow for proper operation (back end of the AR type frame is slightly different by 1/4-1/2 inch)

July 25, 2013, 01:19 PM
OK, I'll play:

A Star 110 22 semiauto. Star was a Spanish manufacturer better know for their pistols, especially the Star PD, a 1911 variant. They did make a few rifles. A total of 510 of these were sold in the US in the 90's by GunParts Corp. ( (

July 25, 2013, 03:30 PM
Not very valuable, but mine are somewhat rare in the U.S.

Tula TOZ 78-01 and 99-01, bolt action and semi-auto 22lr sisters from Russia. They're still being produced in Russia and sold in europe, I believe, but they haven't been imported into the U.S. in a while. A few thousand of each made it in, sold pretty cheap, which made them prime candidates for my purposes when I was looking for squirrel and plinking guns in college. Winchester imported the bolt-action in an American style stock under the name Wildcat for a while, but it apparently wasn't popular (probably because of how Winchester handled getting spare mags, but DEFINITELY not because of how the rifles shoot o.O).

They are both fantastic shooters. Far better than I am, no doubt. My friend has a Wildcat, and I told him that if he ever sells it to anyone but me or his kids that I won't ever speak to him again =P

This thread has me wanting to take better pictures of these guns. Sometimes I enjoy tinkering with my wife's nice camera...

July 25, 2013, 04:04 PM
I've got a Hakim I paid 80 bucks for 20 years ago. Fun gun and very accurate. Wicked powerful round and very little recoil. It has an effective muzzle brake and weights something near what my new Silverado weighs. :rolleyes: I mean, even a 105 don't recoil that bad if it's heavy enough.

I also own a German Gewehr 88 commission rifle rebarreled to 8x57S by the Reich. Don't know how rare it is. I paid $27.50 for it in about 1977. Kicks like a beeoch.

July 25, 2013, 05:12 PM
Alright rifle country, lets see some uncommon rifles


July 25, 2013, 07:27 PM
Oof-tah, that looks like a shoulder-full :what:

Oh, and I didn't realize we were counting 22s;
Baikal MP161k, 22LR. A Beretta Storm that's (supposed) to be cheaper to shoot than the real-deal. Hasn't gotten much play since the Great Famine of '13

Stubbicat, I have just one question; how long is that SVT with the bayonet attached? :D I've held one, and while nice (for a Russian gun :neener:) it handled like broomstick. FWIW, Wiki claims Mr. Saive (of FN49 and FAL fame) developed the tilting-lock concept first (kind of like asking who invented the hammer first, though :rolleyes:). And while the SVT 40 was the best looking battle rifle of WWII (sorry, Garand :neener:) the Russians were forced to replace it for the bad-ass-ery that is PPSH :evil:
I've also got a kit laying around for a Pa-PA-Shaw build, should I ever get around to it


July 25, 2013, 08:08 PM
Wow..some real interesting Rifles already.

I own many rifles but my 'uncommon' models are these.

A Marlin 7000T .22 made only for one year.

My HK-91 .308

My 10MM Mech-Tech carbine. Companion to my GLOCK 20SF.

My Marlin Camp 9 carbine with Boyds Stock. Really fun and inexpensive to shoot.

My Marlin Camp .45. Don't shoot her much, but she is fun to shoot.

Those are my 'Unusual and Uncommon Rifles'. Some used to be common and some are no longer in production.

Be well

July 25, 2013, 08:27 PM

OHhhhhh Thats NICE!!! .375 H&H Flanged?

July 25, 2013, 09:27 PM
Nice double! Very classy.
Centurian2000, I really like that Noreen BM-36, nifty rifle!

I'll play with one that is temporarily rare in the US. This has a two digit serial number... (

SA vz-58 in 5.56mm Tactical model with AR-15 magazine adapter, optional scope rail and scope mount. Current scope is...nothing, couldn't find one that worked just right for me, so she's shooting with irons, and shoot she does!

Art Eatman
July 25, 2013, 09:30 PM
A WW II bring-back. Still accurate, after over a hundred years. :)

July 25, 2013, 09:40 PM
Here is my uncommon one, my Egyptian Rasheed carbine in 7.62x39, only around 8000 produced (

July 25, 2013, 09:52 PM
Another uncommon one, my French MAS-49 (

July 25, 2013, 09:55 PM
these three firearms are not rare, but their calibures are hard to find. remington 7600 engraved reciever,browning low wall and a remington XP-100R all in .260 remington. eastbank.

July 25, 2013, 10:04 PM
OHhhhhh Thats NICE!!! .375 H&H Flanged?

9.3x74R, quite close to the same balistics of the 375...


July 25, 2013, 10:12 PM
I've owned many of the above rifles.

Currently this is my most unusual rifle.

It's a uberti rolling block in 357mag. A cute lil thing that only weighs 4.5lbs or so

July 25, 2013, 10:31 PM

186759Here is one that I picked up at a gun show last March. It is a German Youth Trainer that was customized. I am guessing that the work was done in the 50's. The barrel and action were reblued and nice after market sights added. The stock has some really nice inlay on the underside of the forearm and the side of the butt stock. The forearm tip and pistolgrip cap look to be rosewood and the butt plate looks like cherry that was skeletonized and checkered. The checkering is nearly flawless and wraps over the grip. This gun has some major workmanship put into it. It is a 22 single shot and wears an old 2 1/2X Weaver. Trigger is 2 stage but is awesome. Shoots like a SOB.

July 25, 2013, 10:33 PM

186761Here are a couple more pix.

July 25, 2013, 11:23 PM
Oh geez, I'll have to do a photo shoot. I tend to specialize in the weird stuff.

July 25, 2013, 11:25 PM
Top: Cobb BA50, 50 BMG.
KMP Classic M3 50 BMG
Christensen carbon fiber 338 Lapua mag
Christensen carbon fiber AR15
Glock 17 SBR (by definition it's a rifle)
There are definitely some very nice looking guns posted by others here. Mine are not as old as most of those posted, but they are still somewhat uncommon in the area I live in.

July 25, 2013, 11:28 PM
I used to own a 1903A4, one of 34,000 but sold it for guns I didn't feel like dumping a grand into all the time.
now probably the least common I own is a bubbad Enfield T sniper that's been halfway converted to 45ACP.

July 25, 2013, 11:43 PM ( ( ( ( ( ( (

I sold the Tangeshima, and decided not to post the NDM-86 or the Valmet Rk-62 because I also sold those, but here's some neat stuff I have.

July 26, 2013, 05:43 AM
30-06 AR? Awesome.

Matchlock? Wow. 1895 Winchester in 7.62 x 54? Stunning.

July 26, 2013, 06:45 AM
this winchester 1876 in 45-60 is a special order rifle with a 30 inch barrel and weights in at 10lbs 3oz,s.and was made in 1883 and is over 130yrs old. i do take it hunting on very nice days for deer. 350gr cast bullet with 25grs of imr-4198. this rifle was used but not abused and the bore is in ex condition. this rifle will be one of the last to go and will go to a familey member,as thats how i got it as a relitives estate sale. eastbank.

July 26, 2013, 07:04 AM
four of my less common swedish guns,two fsr target rifles and a 1944 m-38 in 6.5x55 with a early swedish m-40 in 9mm. while not rare they are getting very hard to get these days. eastbank

July 26, 2013, 07:14 AM
Johnson and G41 are on my wishlist....let a G41 walk away just this week....trying to save cash now....darn Dr.

July 26, 2013, 09:02 AM
Krieghoff Semper,

It takes down for travel quite nicely,

Goes together easily,

If quite accurate,

And gets the job done!


July 26, 2013, 09:25 AM
I only have a couple:

Izhmash CM2 target rifle, came with the accessories pictured.

Swedish M96 FSR rifle.

1884 Trapdoor Springfield

July 26, 2013, 02:49 PM
No.2 mk10/22 smelly tanker carbine...
Well, it's unique. This is what happened when i wanted a 10/22 international and a No2 SMLE, and all i had was a 10/22 and a cracked up SMLE No.1 forearm.
The bayonet and the barrel are the same length...

July 26, 2013, 05:35 PM
desidog, that's kind clever - how does she shoot, especially with that pigsticker hangin' out there?
Ya know, that could be the ultimate Appleseed rifle...

July 29, 2013, 01:13 PM
how does she shoot, especially with that pigsticker hangin' out there?

Quite well. In fact, better than it did before the face lift. I doweled the fore stock, and glassed it; so i figured i might as well glass the whole barrel channel...

I've done a little plinking with the bayonet on, but i haven't shot groups seriously with it; i figure it wont get much use until the raccoons living in the wood pile get organized and counter attack more effectively.

July 29, 2013, 01:54 PM
My most uncommon. Around 1000 in the US.

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July 30, 2013, 07:26 PM
At least a little uncommon, but not as pretty as most in the thread:[/URL]

July 30, 2013, 07:53 PM
don't know how uncommon but I know it's harder then snot to find ammo for. cartridge says M 88 / 9 millimeter.closest thing I can find dimensionally is 9 by 57 possibly. My great great great uncle had a 7,8, and 9 and I ended up with the 9. Still have a couple of boxes of ammo from what I would believe to be right around the turn of the century.

July 30, 2013, 09:12 PM
Steyr-Mannlicher Shoenauer 1956 .30-06

A close friend was recently given this rifle by an old fella who is no longer with us. It is one of the most beautiful rifles I've ever seen. ( ( ( ( (

Sorry about the cell phone pics.

July 30, 2013, 09:14 PM
Vaarok, I love this. What is it? (

July 30, 2013, 09:42 PM
enfield R.I.C. carbine. something like only 10,000 made.

July 30, 2013, 09:55 PM
Remington Autoloading Rifle (later called the model 8)
Made in 1909 in .35 Remington.

July 31, 2013, 02:04 AM
its a ballard- brown a few thousand were made in the 1860s. its both a rimfire and a black powder reloadable. back in the day you would fire the rimfire the 1st time then you reload the cartridge and use a cap to fire. its a 44 caliber and we have figured out that a 44-40 rim is the perfect size to fit in there. take some fired 44-40 brass thats blown out, drill a little maybe 1/16 inch flash hole through the fired primer in that case. The put a thin single ply of tissue in the case, load some black powder or pyrodex, then load a lead 44 bullet. hand press that bullet in. then load the case into the action close that falling block. if you cock the hammer you can see that long nipple. put a cap on it and shoot. we have shot it quite a bit. can get a 200ish grain bullet going about 1000 feet ps. we dont want to push it. its actually pretty accurate. from a stand im sure it take a deer i had a video of my dad shooting it but my blackbery died before i was able to transfer it. kinda fragile ammo big PITA to clean. but its better than being a wall hanger shooting some obsolete rimfire round that hasnt been made in a 140 years.
you can see the inside of the hammer has a groove for the nipple. the last pic you can see the nipple and the square rimfire firing pin when the action is close and hammer is cocked .

July 31, 2013, 02:29 AM
Vaarok, I love this. What is it? (

Looks like a Winchester 1895 from the Russian military contract, chambered in 7.62x54.

July 31, 2013, 02:48 AM
My Sig 551-2 SP SWAT ( (

July 31, 2013, 05:36 AM
Wow,, some fine classics and state of the arms world gems here.

Here are a few of mine that have not popped up yet.

1865-1868? Stevens Pocket Rifle .44cal187134

1917 Lee Enfield III*.22cal Military training rifle(introduced 1915),,,, 1939 Remington 510 .22cal (first year),,,, 1943 Remington 513T .22cal Military training rifle(teach the young folks using this one).187135

1898 S.A. .30-40 Krag 187136

1915 Japanese Arisaka 6.5x50mmSR(first arsenal,, intact mum), 1915 Danzig Gew.98 8x57mm mauser (untouched),, 1870 Swiss Vetterli .41rim fire (12 shot)187137

July 31, 2013, 08:13 AM
Very interesting.

Comrade Mike
July 31, 2013, 11:02 AM
Some extremely interesting rifles posted so far! If any of you ever want to part with then you know how to find me ;)

July 31, 2013, 12:55 PM
Mohave-Tec, that is gorgeous, an absolute work of art.:cool:

July 31, 2013, 03:29 PM
Gotta love the diversity...1876 Win... Rem. SL 35rem.... Ballard Brown,,,, don't see them everyday.

The Johnson I haven't seen for real yet, at least not to hold,, outstanding sir a treat to behold.

July 31, 2013, 04:18 PM
Krieghoff drilling 30-06,

It loves 200NP's and so do i,


July 31, 2013, 08:24 PM
Fun thread for sure.

July 31, 2013, 09:16 PM
Why did that single barrel bolt action have two triggers?

July 31, 2013, 10:42 PM
I only barely have the jest of it. One trigger is a very heavy pull and sets the hammer at a tipping point and the other trigger will let the trigger fly on a breath. It took both triggers being set to set the rifle up for a hair trigger. Old school high performance trigger but hugely effective. BTW, that is the original scope. (

August 1, 2013, 03:01 AM
Why did that single barrel bolt action have two triggers?

It's called a Double Set Trigger. The trigger has a hammer which strikes the sear to release the firing pin. The front trigger is fairly heavy and it cocks the hammer. Once cocked, the rear trigger sets the hammer off at the lightest touch. If not cocked by the front trigger, the rear trigger will cock and release the hammer by itself, although with a much heavier pull. It's similar in concept to the single action / double action modes of a double action revolver.

DSTs are usually found on European rifles. They are in the proud Germanic tradition of never settling for a simple mechanism when you can design a more complex mechanism that will do the job just as well.

Personally, I would prefer a good Timney. Too much fiddling around when you should be shooting for my taste. However, they just seem right on certain rifles, such as the Mannlicher.

August 19, 2013, 09:32 AM
Good morning
The only unusual item I have down here I had to assemble from scraps and bits that have accumulated over the 27 years we have been here.
Matchlock is a caliber 70 smothbore, 48 inch barrel and weights at 9 pounds.
Once you have hefted one to ignite it you understand real fast why soilders used a fork out front to steady these long barrels while waiting for advancing enemies to get within firing range.
First photo is the first ignition on our 4th of July, 2013. Stock was not finished but that minor detail was secondary to the importance of the Day ! So far I use 40 grains 3F with a paper wad. Gives a very satisfying Cha-Booom as the lever is raised and the slowmatch enters the pan.
Second photo is where the matchlock is displayed in the living room. Few people ever see it as it blends in well with the Buffs.
Mike in Peru

August 19, 2013, 09:49 AM
One of my 49/56`s...................

August 19, 2013, 10:08 AM
Mike in Peru wins!!!!

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August 19, 2013, 05:36 PM
It's called a Double Set Trigger.
Personally, I would prefer a good Timney. Too much fiddling around when you should be shooting for my taste.

Not to mention, they drastically increase "lock time"!!


Float Pilot
August 19, 2013, 06:03 PM
How about a quad rotating barreled, double flintlock.......?

August 19, 2013, 06:12 PM
Howdy Float Pilot
Quad double flinter
Could you please tell us a little more about this very handsome and unique flinter.
I have a double flinter 20 bore in storage I shoot crows with.. but a 4 barrel is very scarse .
Mike in Peru

August 19, 2013, 08:49 PM
Missionary (post #59) let me count the ways you scare the **** out of me.

August 19, 2013, 09:07 PM
These are reasonable uncommon:

Nicely engraved, you can still see a little case hardening but mostly faded, not a Martini action, made in Belgium in cal. 380 Long Centerfire:

A pretty plain Martini Henry 1/2 action size in 360 No. 5:

This one is full stocked in .300 Sherwood:

An 1891 Argentine Mauser, not an uncommon gun but sporterized by Williams back in the 1950's:

And a modern, actually pretty available in Europe but you don't see that many of them in the US. HK SLB2000k in 30-06:

August 19, 2013, 09:24 PM
My Sig 551-2 SP SWAT ( (

These are mine.

Pistol Ranch
August 19, 2013, 09:32 PM
Not particularly unusual, except it is fitted with a "Nikon rimfire scope".

August 19, 2013, 09:57 PM
How about the Calico, it is uncommon because the helical magazine. Note there is a rifle version, but this picture shows how it works.

August 19, 2013, 10:19 PM
Greetings Browningguy
That 1891 Mauser would be a very nice rifle to have. Those manlicher stocks reall dress up a common military shoulder weapon.
Mike in Peru

August 20, 2013, 12:05 AM
Husqvarna m96 with numbers matching 5 digit serial number.........

August 20, 2013, 01:47 AM

454 Casull break action with Mannlicher stock made by me. Fun.

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August 20, 2013, 05:23 AM
I would say that about half of them are ‘uncommon’ :

August 20, 2013, 07:39 AM
Porbably my 280 Rem built on #49 of the 50 small ring double square bridge actions made by Pete Grisel just prior to designing the Dakota M76 action with Don Allen. ( ( ( (

August 20, 2013, 04:08 PM
Left hand Remington 592, (5mm Rem. Magnum rimfire) i doubt you've seen one in LH before,

In it's day, it was a pretty hot rimfire round, that i found quite useful,


August 22, 2013, 12:37 PM
It's called a Double Set Trigger. The trigger has a hammer which strikes the sear to release the firing pin. The front trigger is fairly heavy and it cocks the hammer. Once cocked, the rear trigger sets the hammer off at the lightest touch. If not cocked by the front trigger, the rear trigger will cock and release the hammer by itself, although with a much heavier pull. It's similar in concept to the single action / double action modes of a double action revolver.

DSTs are usually found on European rifles.

Also fairly common on muzzleloaders, although they work a bit differently in that the hammer is not cocked by the rear trigger.

August 22, 2013, 02:38 PM
At first glance, it looks like any other SVD...until you look at the magazine. This is a Norinco NDM-86 in .308 Winchester I got years ago. Estimates are that between 500-1000 were imported before imports from Norinco and China were shut down. In a way, I would have liked to got an SVD in the original 7.62X54r caliber but the .308 version is nothing to sneeze at either. Off a sandbag prone position using Federal Gold Medal Match ammo, 1 MOA is easy and on occasion it will put out a .75 MOA group at 100m. I guess with performance like that as compared to the original Soviet models I've fired with crappy ammo, I can live with the .308 chambering! (

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