Tactical posers........


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Abominable No-Man
March 21, 2004, 03:05 PM
There is this guy I know at work who is a supporter of the RKBA and 2A. He is ALSO quite opinionated, and has some.....unusual...ideas. The latest one has been to buy a Hughes 500 (a.k.a. "Little Bird"), mount a couple of those semi-auto M60's from Ohio Ordnance Works on it, and complete the package with a black paint job and a couple of cordless drills mounted to the triggers- the cordless drills have a lozenge-shaped attatchment mounted to the drill shaft that will be used to pull the triggers.

The guy owns about 10 pistols, all tactical black, with light rails and lasers-
none fired. He also owns a few rifles- also, none fired. He has badgered me about going to the local range and having a shoot-off(to see who is the best shot-sounds like fun....), but everytime I get it lined up, he begs off. He talks non-stop about combat. His favorite topics for discussion are something to the tune of "If a little kid pointed a gun at you, would you shoot him?" or "What would you do if your wife was being held at gunpoint? Would you shoot her and then shoot the guy who was holding her?" (kind of like the scene in "Speed").

This guy called me yesterday morning and asked me again "When are we going to have that shoot-off?". I told him that I had just gotten my RIA .45 and I was going to go shooting that very day to try it out. Dead silence for a few seconds, and then he responded with something about not being able to do it today because all he had was some 185gr SWC's:confused: .

Anyway, I don't know if this is original, but I have been using the term "Tactical Poser" to describe this guy. "Mall Ninja" doesn't really fit this bill, IMO. So here's my definition:

Tactical Poser (n ) TAC-ti-cul Po-zer def: One who attempts to impress others by feigning an intimate knowledge of procedures and equipment related to, used in, or involving military or naval operations that are smaller, closer to base, and of less long-term significance than strategic operations.

Sound good? Sound like anyone you know? (Please avoid references to Hardin/Gunkid/whatever he's calling himself now.....:D....oh all right, some of you are gonna do it anyway, so go right ahead.......)

ANM

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OEF_VET
March 21, 2004, 03:22 PM
Yeah, sounds intimately familiar. When I was doing private security/EP, we had one working for us, although he can be more appropriately be reffered to as an idiot who was full of bull.

He had been in the active Army and was actually in the Guard at the time. However, his claims to fame were quite a stretch of the imagination. He claimed to be an active duty E-9, on a Homeland Security assignment with the TN Dept. Of Homeland Security. He claimed to keep an Army-owned M4 carbine in the trunk of his car and that he had an Accuracy International .338 Lapua at the house. He also claimed to have done a meth lab raid with a local Sheriff's Office, by rappelling from a helicopter. According to that S.O., no such raid ever occured. He also told us that he had to leave work one day and that a Blackhawk would be landing up the road to pick up for another such mission. Also, he claimed to have been onboard a helicopter, picking survivors off of the World Trade Center, moments before it collapsed. (The last claim, he made in front of a news crew, luckily they didn't have the camera with them -althought they were going to go get it and put him on tape. Luckily, he had to go before they got back.)

The truth is, he was an E-5, a medic, is part of a local National Guard Hospital unit, and is their retention NCO. He had been an Air Defense Artilleryman during GW1, serving as a crewman on a Vulcan ADA system.

People like that I refer to as 'Special Feces'. They claim to be some form of Spec Ops type, but they're usually full of ******.

Frank

KaceCoyote
March 21, 2004, 03:52 PM
Eh through a friend of a friend. Met him twice. Went on and on about how he made all these impossible shots with his SKS. yadda yadda, ranted and bitched and moaned about how the M4 carbine and M16 sucked this and that and the other thing. Long story short, I lamented to a friend of mine with an M4. After a big long bitchfest I finally got him out to the range. Though he couldnt bring his 'sniper system' SKS and only his regular one. Yeah ok whatever he could hardly fire the damn thing and did nothing but wander around during live fire to bug me about how the wind or the dust or the UFO had messed up his group.

Anywho best he managed was about 4" at 50 yards. The M4 pressed about an inch and change at a hundred yards with surplus ammo and open sights. Not bad. My 'popgun' Marlin wasnt much worse, and no it wasnt the rifle. I'm just not the excellent shot I want to be...yet.

Daedalus
March 21, 2004, 04:19 PM
There is this guy I know at work who is a supporter of the RKBA and 2A. He is ALSO quite opinionated, and has some.....unusual...ideas. The latest one has been to buy a Hughes 500 (a.k.a. "Little Bird"), mount a couple of those semi-auto M60's from Ohio Ordnance Works on it, and complete the package with a black paint job and a couple of cordless drills mounted to the triggers- the cordless drills have a lozenge-shaped attatchment mounted to the drill shaft that will be used to pull the triggers.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to put a gun on a helicopter. Spending that much money on it is pretty crazy though. I would love to buy one of those gyrocopter homebuild kits and put a nosemounted semiauto 1919 on it.

Texas Bob
March 21, 2004, 04:21 PM
If "people" know what your hobby is, it seems like you attract this type of person over the years. One of my "present" co-workers is just plain BAD, no don't ask him, he'll tell you what he owns and how good he is. A "common" denominator I've seen over the years is "any" excuse as to why no one has seen them shoot. I shoot every week, and I've invited "all" of the "legendary" people I've met to come to our Monday night idpa social. After years of "excuses" by different people, I've learned to "shut them up" by borrowing a quote from Clint Smith. "Every police officier killed in the line of duty was armed, mere possession of a firearm does not guarantee success." If I can not see you practice, please don't waste my time with useless what ifs.

Wedge
March 21, 2004, 04:40 PM
My favorite was the guy I met that had served Presidential Security Detail and was given a ceramic/polymer Glock 5. 100% invisible to metal detectors (of course) The public isn't allowed to own this gun, military only, but when you serve Presidential Security they let you keep it because you could be called back in at any time...he was just that good!:rolleyes:

7.62FullMetalJacket
March 21, 2004, 05:07 PM
I was going to post, but I just got a call on the FM band, the blackhawk is on its way. Where did I put that telephone booth with the Robbins 5.11 gear :rolleyes:

Archie
March 21, 2004, 05:20 PM
a description.

My son heard the phrase and told me about it.

"All foam, no beer."

I rather like it.

Soap
March 21, 2004, 05:28 PM
I think the "tactical" crowd is cool as long as they know that they're being silly. For many people, it is just a big joke. For example when my good friend Skunky gets a new carbon fiber implement to "be more tactical", that is hilarious. Now when you start to become serious and have daydreams about shooting out of a hostage situation or making a civvie Little Bird, you're definitely not joking around; you are a loser. The worst is when a member of SEEL 37.5 or the Chairborne Rangers start making things up.

Mr. Clark
March 21, 2004, 05:37 PM
I met a guy once who tried to explian his 6 week stay at book camp by saying his leaving wasn't so much a discharge as it was a transfer to another government agency who recognized and had a need for his talents. Of course, he couldn't duscuss which agency and what talents. :scrutiny:


He also told us that he had to leave work one day and that a Blackhawk would be landing up the road to pick up for another such mission.

I like that. I guess it was one of those super quiet ones that you wouldn't be able to hear?

Some people just think everyone else is stupid. Why else would they think they could get away with that?

Now, back in my spec ops days, we used to... :D :neener:

Wildalaska
March 21, 2004, 05:52 PM
Does he post here:evil:

WildnyahhahaAlaska

Logan5
March 21, 2004, 06:16 PM
I'll have you know that I led a crack team of small plastic commandos from age six to twelve! ;)

I've also done a lot of reading on small unit tactics. If you're working with a really small unit, you need a very expensive watch and a really fast imported sports car to have any success.


I'll be here all weeks folks, the eight o'clock show is completely different from the six o'clock show...

Standing Wolf
March 21, 2004, 06:28 PM
He talks non-stop about combat.

Personally, I'd rather shoot, but it's okay with me.

goldust
March 21, 2004, 06:29 PM
we used to call a poser a soldier of fiction.

Fudgie Ghost
March 21, 2004, 06:32 PM
There's another name for this kind of person:

Pathological Liar.

Mentally Ill. Give a wide berth.

tommytrauma
March 21, 2004, 07:30 PM
I knew a guy some years ago, claimed to have been a comissioned officer in the special forces, a trainer of the FBI HRT, all sorts of stuff. He toted around a baretta 92 which he claimed was issue, said that he had a federal CCW appended to his drivers license, all sorts of stuff. He was all of 22 or 23 years old at the time.

I sat him down one day, and politely explained that I knew he was lying, and asked him to stop. We talked about it for quite a while, about how he just wanted people to look up to him and such, and he agreed to stop saying stuff like that. Less than a week later, he's telling me about a special op that he had been on. ***? Don't you remember admitting to me that it was all a lie?

It truely seems to be pathological with some of these bozos.

Fudgie Ghost
March 21, 2004, 07:39 PM
Tommytrauma: it absolutely is.

They have been telling lies so much, for so long, they don't even know themselves what's true and what's not. I've had a few dealings with such people and, quite frankly they give me the heebie-jeebies.

Like I said, it is a MENTAL ILLNESS, and not really that funny. They need serious help.

TBeck
March 21, 2004, 07:54 PM
The one I met had an MP5 in his trunk and could walk on scene at any hostage situation and take charge. Oh yeah, he also knew the launch codes. :eek: Being 30 pounds overweight was just part of his cover, see?

Like the Great Bill Paxton said, "Would a spy p!$$ himself?"

Skunkabilly
March 21, 2004, 08:21 PM
I sat him down one day, and politely explained that I knew he was lying, and asked him to stop. We talked about it for quite a while, about how he just wanted people to look up to him and such, and he agreed to stop saying stuff like that. Less than a week later, he's telling me about a special op that he had been on. ***? Don't you remember admitting to me that it was all a lie?

Shhh...that was me...don't tell anyone :neener:

CrazyIrishman
March 21, 2004, 09:31 PM
Just my .02 cents but I would stay away from him or do something to make him stay away. This goofball sounds like trouble .If you did manage to get him to the range how do you really know if he's "safe" and wouldn't cause problems?

Just because he owns a few guns doesn't mean he is safe,or have "common sense"!

On a side note,
When I was alot younger I failed my physical for the service when I went to enlist. Now as much as I would've liked to been accepted I NEVER went around telling people lies while misrepresenting myself and dressing up to play the part.

IMHO its disrespectful to the vets and current members of our military. Same holds true when some goofball claims he's a LEO(and dressed like one) when he isn't. It can cause problems for a real LEO.

euclid
March 21, 2004, 09:44 PM
ignore

tommytrauma
March 21, 2004, 11:28 PM
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I sat him down one day, and politely explained that I knew he was lying, and asked him to stop. We talked about it for quite a while, about how he just wanted people to look up to him and such, and he agreed to stop saying stuff like that. Less than a week later, he's telling me about a special op that he had been on. ***? Don't you remember admitting to me that it was all a lie?
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Shhh...that was me...don't tell anyone
Skunk, the funny thing is i don't doubt he posts on places like here and arfcom. Something I always keep in mind when looking for advice online.

Don Gwinn
March 22, 2004, 12:17 AM
The ones that kill me are the guys who really were soldiers and served more or less honorably, but still feel they have to make something up. That guy above was a Vulcan crewman and a medic, and for some reason he thought he had to make up stories about being a SEEL. . . . that's pathetic. The fact that he thinks his service was that worthless almost makes ME think so. :rolleyes:

olyAR73
March 22, 2004, 12:40 AM
Funny you should post this...

There's this guy...I dont even know his name but the sight of the man makes my blood boil. My first encounter with the man was on our public rifle range. Hes on a 500 yard range full of bench rest shooters having his wife throw clays with a hand thrower. In between missing the clays with his shotgun, he would quick draw a hi-cap auto and rapid-fire at the clays on the ground emptying a mag every time. He would continue to practice his best quick draw to his wifes amusement as everybody else walked down to check their targets. When someone would jump his ass he would say "whats the problem, man? It's unloaded." Finally 2 big burly kids shooting next to me walked over and told him they were gonna rough him up if he touched a gun again while we were down range.

Our range is like Dodge City, no safetys, fees, ect. Everyones left to their own devices and 99.9 of the shooters out there always do the right thing. Except for this nut.

Anyway, it wouldnt be so bad except I keep bumping into him. He leans on the counter at my favorite gun store and mishandles every gun in the display case, making sure that the clerk knows that he knows everything there is to know...He dont know jack.

Today Im out eating lunch with my wife. In walks this idiot. I start grumbling under my breath. My wife tells me to stop being an A-hole and that man has never done anything to me.

God, I hate that guy.

PATH
March 22, 2004, 12:41 AM
It is a sad thing when a person thinks so little of him/herself that they make up these wild stories. I don't get angry I just feel very bady for these poor souls. One hopes they don't end up trying to act out a delusion.

SteelyDan
March 22, 2004, 12:52 AM
This serves as a good reminder to us all to stick to the truth--it makes our lives a whole lot easier. Actually, it reminds me of back when the CIA first recruited me to seduce female Russian agents because of the "capabilities" I had demonstrated in a number of pornographic movies, which I now regret, having married Miss America 1998, who is a great and loving wife. Our eight gifted children have already been given scholarships to Harvard, and I cannot tell you how much joy they bring to my life. While my voluminous charity work prevents me from shooting more than once or twice a year, I still manage to "put them all" into the same hole at 100 yards, sometimes 200 or 300 yards. Rifle, pistol, doesn't really matter. I'll be completing my third doctorate this spring (electrical engineering, with an emphasis on sub-nuclear photonics), which I hope will free up some time to fulfill our President's request that I help to solve the problems in the Mideast.

Or, I could just be a 48-year old guy with a modicum of professional success who enjoys guns. On the internet, or even in real life, you never really know for sure, but most of the time you can figure it out. And I can't tell you how little time I have for the posers.

modifiedbrowning
March 22, 2004, 01:22 AM
This guy I worked with wasn't tactical at all, just an idiot. Told me that the military 5.56 round was different from the civilian version, more powerful. He also claims to have jumped off the flight deck of an aircraft carrier on a dare when he was in the Navy. He got fired for stealing lottery scratch tickets.:rolleyes:

Fed168
March 22, 2004, 01:37 AM
I knew a guy who was in the military, but was an MP. But according to him, he had been to 23 countries in 3 years, Ranger school, and landed at Kuwait's main airport on an MH-53 during GW 1. And then there was the shootout in Kuwait at a van. Working on a nuclear recovery team too. The fish just got bigger with each story.

Problem was, he was a senior in high school when GW 1 took place. Fortunately, he no longer holds a job with authority, all the stories came back to bite him.

CrazyIrishman
March 22, 2004, 01:53 AM
Fed168,

Why that sounds incredi...BULL! LOL

SteelyDan,

I find your first story (the top one)more believeable! How is Miss America these days?




I hope this thread doesn't cause us all to start tellin' TALL TALES! Might be interestin' though ya think?

Chuck Dye
March 22, 2004, 02:06 AM
Our Special Farces units are what make America great...Aren't they???

joab
March 22, 2004, 02:07 AM
cordless drills mounted to the triggers- the cordless drills have a lozenge-shaped attatchment mounted to the drill shaft that will be used to pull the triggers.
I have been trying to figure out how to operate the triggers of my AK Gatlin Gun Setup on my converted Astro Van Urban Tac Vehicle

BluesBear
March 22, 2004, 03:37 AM
Tell your "buddy" that using cordless drills or any other machine to repeatidly activate the trigger on a firearm makes it legally a "MACHINE Gun". DUHHH.

Since he'll have to register them as a Title II firearms anyway, why not just go out and buy some REAL full autos?



And tell him to buy a tube of Simichrome so he can keep his CCW badge sparkling.

Range Ninja
March 22, 2004, 07:00 AM
It's really quite amusing to me how the "camo warriors and I only wear tactical black" crowd act. You can always spot these nut cases from a mile away or at least 500 yds.:rolleyes: Exactly how do they think they are blending into the crowd at say the mall, shooting range or just about any other place they go? However, I'm sure they impress the hell out of the 12 yr. old boys they play paintball against. :D

Preacherman
March 22, 2004, 07:20 AM
I've got a pretty good rule of thumb for dealing with these posers... ask them to show you their scars. I don't care how good you are, you WILL get scars from the training at least, never mind the combat, if you get into that sort of thing - heck, you'll get them from standard military training and combat, never mind the black-ops sort of thing! I can count at least seven visible scars from different wounds/weapons on myself, and many of my friends on this board can display more than I can! When in doubt, look for the scars...

OEF_VET
March 22, 2004, 09:44 AM
Then there was the guy who married my adopted brothers' biological mother. He claimed to have been a Ranger in Vietnam. Funny thing though was he wasn't born until 1959. When the last combat troops pulled out, he was 14. I guess he was a drummer boy. (I eventually learned the truth. He had been a cook, and was medically discharged as an E-3, sometime in the '80's.)

Dain Bramage
March 22, 2004, 10:24 AM
I have talked to a few WWII and Vietnam vets through my life, and the almost universal theme among them is that they DON'T want to talk about their experiences. If they talk about anything, it's about being scared and not wanting to screw up. Or about the camaraderie with their fellow soldiers and their funny non-combat stories.

If they did talk about combat, it went something like this: my uncle was a vet who served in an engineering battalion in New Guinea during WWII. He was mechanically inclined, so one of his accomplishments was fabricating an electric cauterizing iron for the medics.

According to my uncle, the Japanese used license-built Chevy trucks, similar to the ones the Army used. He was near the front lines one day at an abandoned Japanese boneyard pulling parts off a truck, when his unit was fired upon by a Japanese sniper. Everyone ate dirt, but one of the shots bounced off the truck frame and a piece of the bullet or the frame hit my uncle in the rear-end.

His fellow soldiers dragged him back to the medics, and he got to be the first recipient of his cauterizing iron. That and the Dengue Fever were his most vivid memories.

My uncle got indignant when I asked if he got a Purple Heart. He said that was for "real combat" only, and he would have strangled his CO if one was applied for.

PALEFACE
March 22, 2004, 10:51 AM
quote -This guy I worked with wasn't tactical at all, just an idiot. Told me that the military 5.56 round was different from the civilian version, more powerfull





well he might be half right on this one. back when stoner created the m-16 he decided to use stick powder but the us army decided to go with ball powder for added range. this caused all types of problems until they issued cleaning kits and had the rifles crome lined. i know that the military has increased the power of the cartridge again since then. if 9x19 nato is a little bit hotter (1300ft persec) than it's civilian counter part than maybe it is possible that 5.56 nato is also. i could be wrong though.

Penforhire
March 22, 2004, 02:20 PM
I know the type you're talking about and they creep me out. I watched a few losers from my High School days turn into this type of guy. As if being armed would magically make them respected. They just turned into armed adult dorks. I do whatever it takes to avoid hanging out with guys like that.

Nightcrawler
March 22, 2004, 02:23 PM
Ahh, the internet. Heck, for all you guys know, I could be a black-market arms dealer that lives an action packed life of excitement and danger! :)

Or I could be a college student in a small town. :(

Or...

I could be BOTH (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67844)... :scrutiny: LOL

tommytrauma
March 22, 2004, 03:08 PM
PM,
I've got a pretty good rule of thumb for dealing with these posers... ask them to show you their scars. I don't care how good you are, you WILL get scars from the training at least, never mind the combat, if you get into that sort of thing - heck, you'll get them from standard military training and combat, never mind the black-ops sort of thing! I can count at least seven visible scars from different wounds/weapons on myself, and many of my friends on this board can display more than I can! When in doubt, look for the scars...


Fool. Scars can compromise you on deep cover assignments. That's why the CIA employs the best plastic surgeons in the world to 'disappear' scars and such. Where do you think I got my devestating good looks?

fix
March 22, 2004, 03:19 PM
I ran into a guy once (seemed legit at first) who started telling a story to me and a few others. The further he got into the tale, the more familiar it started to sound. I let him go on for a few more minutes before I started finishing his sentences for him. He wrapped up the story quickly and left, red faced. Someone asked me what the deal was, and I let him in on the best part of the story. The original story was made up!!! That's right folks. A friend of mine had totally made the story up a few years earlier and told it to a group of us, knowing full well that we wouldn't believe a word of it, but would laugh our asses off listening to it. This guy had overheard the whole thing and recycled it!

Of course...

This didn't really happen to me. I'm just continuing the recycling effort. :evil:

spacemanspiff
March 22, 2004, 03:29 PM
i like the guys who learn all about guns from playing SOCOM II on Ps2, and then go around collecting even more information from 'former SEELs' that now work counters at big-name discount retailers.

better yet when the same SOCOM playing geeks dont listen to any decent advice and buy the biggest baddest bling-bling pistol that feeds commercial ammo that costs $1 a round, and then cant be bothered to learn how to shoot it accurately.

sound familiar wildalaska? :D you'll be pleased to know J can hit the ground in front of the target and little else. but thanks to the experts at the same big-name discount retailers, and i quote, "I dont have to aim! i can just point and shoot!"

:rolleyes: :scrutiny: :what:

Leatherneck
March 22, 2004, 04:08 PM
Got a neighbor who also is a Vietnam vet, a little after my time. He was a Chinook crew chief. I was a Marine attack pilot. Little in common you say? Not so. After a few beers, he recycles MY war stories right back to me, slightly modified to fit his environment. Sometimes he repeats, and the story has morphed even from the previous time he told it to me. :rolleyes:

They're everywhere. But not THR, right?

TC
TFL Survivor

Larry Ashcraft
March 22, 2004, 04:35 PM
One of my grade school friends went into the Navy after graduation. He was a member of Seal Team 1 for 25 years, with a couple of jaunts to Vietnam over the years, and after retiring, has been a deputy sheriff and firearms training officer for the past 15 years.

When we get together now we talk about... kids, grandkids, health of our parents, cars, shooting, etc.

Yep, the guys who actually did it rarely talk about it.

Kestrel
March 22, 2004, 05:16 PM
This has got to be one of the funniest threads I can remember on THR. This is hilarious! Some of these stories have made me laugh out loud.

I agree - some of these people are mentally ill. I try to stay away from these guys.

Preacherman - you're right. A guy I know that really has done a lot of this stuff told me, if you talk to a guy who says he's spent a life of doing this-and-that and he's not kind of hunched over, walking a little difficult and hard of hearing, he's probably not really done it. He said it takes a toll on you physically. He said you can't spend a career carrying all those heavy loads, maintaining all the physical training, sustaining all the injuries and not end up showing it physically. He said if they're not hard of hearing, he doubts they've really "been there". He said you don't wear hearing protection in battle.

Steve

Whitey
March 22, 2004, 05:29 PM
I think the term used for these turds should be Simon. From the movie True Lies -

[Simon attempting to have sex with Helen]
Helen Tasker: No, I can't. I can't!
[Simon still persuing]
Simon: If not for me, Helen, do it for your country!

Edited for content, but I have to agree with the point of the post. And that had to be one of the funniest scenes in a movie ever. :)

STW
March 22, 2004, 06:52 PM
This reminds me most of almost every Christmas letter I've ever read.:barf:


....which I now regret, having married Miss America 1998, who is a great and loving wife. Our eight gifted children have already been given scholarships to Harvard, and I cannot tell you how much joy they bring to my life. While my voluminous charity work prevents me from shooting more than once or twice a year, I still manage to "put them all" into the same hole at 100 yards, sometimes 200 or 300 yards. Rifle, pistol, doesn't really matter. I'll be completing my third doctorate this....

Abominable No-Man
March 22, 2004, 09:14 PM
Preacherman - you're right. A guy I know that really has done a lot of this stuff told me, if you talk to a guy who says he's spent a life of doing this-and-that and he's not kind of hunched over, walking a little difficult and hard of hearing, he's probably not really done it. He said it takes a toll on you physically. He said you can't spend a career carrying all those heavy loads, maintaining all the physical training, sustaining all the injuries and not end up showing it physically. He said if they're not hard of hearing, he doubts they've really "been there". He said you don't wear hearing protection in battle.

It does take a toll on you, that's for sure. Some of the retired guys on THR can sympathize with that.

ANM

Beetle Bailey
March 22, 2004, 11:32 PM
I guess I'll add my little story:

I used to run a kitchen of a restaurant part-time while I was in college and this 18 year old kid got hired on. Although he wasn't the best worker I ever had, he tried hard, so I cut him some slack and tried to teach him to be better and more efficent. Turns out that he had been telling stories to try to impress the Marine reservist and some female co-workers. According to him, he was both an Airborne Ranger and a Navy SEAL :what: . Also, he had just graduated from Law School as well :rolleyes: . Now, needless to say, nobody believed his stories and many people laughed at him behind his back (and some to his face :( ).

I think he had some other far-fetched stories as well, but I didn't have time to remember them. I didn't laugh at him, I honestly pitied him.

OTOH, my cousin was a Ranger during GW1 but the way he talks about it, it sounds like there was no war at all. His stories are mostly about how little he thought of the other coalition troops: "I knew the (deleted - I'll let you guys guess the nation) soldiers were weak when I saw them out in the desert with their picnic baskets and cutlery! " "This isn't gonna be a fair fight - we should let Iraq have the (deleted) troops to even things out, heck it should be USA vs. the World!"

BTW, my cousin isn't just some ignorant jerk. He explained that back then, he just didn't know any better. Also, he adds "You just have so much faith and confidence in all of your squadmates that you believe you can take on any other unit in the world." (To be fair, he admits that "The Brits were the only ones I saw that could give us a run for our money. They are very good.") He doesn't ever talk about actual combat and explains "I don't want to talk about the past. I've accomplished lots of meaningful things since I got out (of the service). If you brag about the past, that means you haven't done anything meaningful since then." While I agree with his reasoning, it does make me wonder a bit what he's seen and done that he won't talk about. . .

(editted for grammer - this should be my new sig line)

CrazyIrishman
March 23, 2004, 01:10 AM
Beetle,

My dad helped build and then he eventually sailed on Liberty ships in WWII. I know he went to Murmansk,Russia on a couple of convoys when the US was shipping "lend-lease" war material.

When I was much younger I had asked what he did during the war . It wasn't until he was alot older(so was I) that he would say more than a couple of words. His standard answer(until much later)was "I really didn't do much except sail on a couple ships.

He never discussed the Russian convoys much in detail. Now that I'm older I do understand why he was silent,or nearly so. When they were laying the groundwork to bring the John W. Brown (one of two remaining Liberty ships) to Baltimore I got to meet one of his former shipmates. Out of earshot of my dad his buddy told me a little about "him". I found out that he helped crew an AA gun on the stern after some of the gun's crew were injured during a strafing attack. My mom told me that one of the ships he was on got hit by a torpedo. When I originally heard all of this I wanted to ask him about what happened. Instead I felt that he would tell me about this when the time was right. Well......that time never came


I can't say much about "posers" except they should consult some professional help, stop telling stories,and GET A LIFE!! These clowns are doing a disservice to the military in general and vets in particular!


To the REAL veterans I can't say THANK YOU enough for putting your ass on the line FOR ALL OF US!

modifiedbrowning
March 23, 2004, 02:05 AM
Paleface, you and I know that there have been changes to the 5.56, but this guy certainly did not. He is only 21 if that, I actually doubt that he was
ever in the navy or has ever fired a gun in 5.56mm. His claim was that the 5.56 was an Uber round and big, too. Not some wimpy little .22.

Stickman
March 23, 2004, 02:17 AM
Hello everyone. First post here, but I couldn't resist.
I used to work for a city police department. One day the local news was going to film a Crimestoppers segment about a shooting, and a friend and I were going to portray the suspects. We arrived at the victim's residence. He had been shot in the hand/arm, allegedly by two punks who drove up out of the blue. When he walked out of his garage, I turned to the detective and said "this is your victim?" He responds "Yeah, why?" I told him I had been in line behind the guy at the local police supply store a few days earlier, and the guy was telling me and the clerk that he had received the wound recently in Columbia South America. He informed us he was a DEA agent and had been involved in a shoot out with Columbian drug lords while on assignment. Further digging revealed he had several other "interesting" occupations. Needless to say, we didn't film the segment. The detective told me he had wondered about this case, since none of the "facts" of the shooting as relayed by the victim seemed to add up. Last I heard, the detective was going to talk to the Feds about this idiot passing himself off as a federal agent. I've met 1 or 2 others who were just as bad.

Nightcrawler
March 23, 2004, 03:09 AM
See, that's why I say if you're going to fictionalize yourself, do it tounge and cheek, write it down, and let others enjoy it. Oh, and poke fun at yourself, too, so people laugh. If you can't laugh at yourself, you take yourself too seriously, that's all there is to it.

You're a whole lot less obnoxious that way.

I don't understand people who feel the need to lie about how great they are to others. Young guys, like 18-19, that's one thing. Young guys often feel the need to tell stories in order to gain respect of elders who think of them as kids.

But people in their 30s? 40s? 50s? Yikes.

Beetle Bailey
March 23, 2004, 03:55 AM
Stickman Welcome to THR ;) .

Crazy Irishman

"I really didn't do much except sail on a couple ships.

In my book that's plenty 'nuff. He still put himself in harm's way for his country. Even if he had never had to use the AAA, he did a job. 'Course, I 've never been in combat at all, but that's my humble opinion ;) . BTW, my cousin also later became a Lt. in charge of supplies/logistics before he got out. He said "When I was in the Gulf, I used to hate the supply guys. They're in the back where it's safe 'cuz they're weak. We're in the front doing all the work. But when I got promoted and put in charge of supplies (this happened a few years after the war) I learned how important the job was. Before, if I screwed up, the stakes weren't as high. Now, if I screw up, you could have a whole army stuck in the desert with no fuel/ammo/food/etc."

Going back to the original post, people who own one gun and have never fired it worry me. A guy with ten (or whatever) guns who has never fired any of them is down right scary! He's obviously intrigued by guns but doesn't really know how to use them! IMHO it's dangerous to have something so powerful in your home and not have the skills to properly wield it :what: :uhoh: :scrutiny:

clubsoda22
March 23, 2004, 04:14 AM
Is it even legal to use an electronic device to pull the trigger of a semi auto for you? I would think if it was someone would have come out with a battery operated trigger crank by now.

Preacherman
March 23, 2004, 05:39 AM
battery operated trigger crank
Robocop? :neener:

artherd
March 23, 2004, 05:58 AM
I want to mount a Browning M2HB to my vehicle. It's a legal CA semi-auto rifle (while the AR-15 is 'banned' lol). I like black guns and black clothing.

But the difference between your friend and me:

I really enjoy shooting, and confess freely I'm not the best shot by a long margin. Maybe not even 'very good.' I shoot a lot, sometimes aparently 'too much' with my rifles for some people :P

I actually want to do my stupid crazy ideas, in a responsible way where nobody gets hurt. 12 miles off the coast is international waters is all I am saying (your friend needs to watch his ass, that cam driven M60 would be considered a machinegun by the BATF.)

OK, I do have a rifle that hasen't been fired yet. I even have all the accessories mounted on it. Just haven't made it to the range yet. Armalite AR-30. Hoping for good things.

In my defense, I did put over 1,000 rounds through my G34 *before* my waiting period was up! (FFL has a range, I got 'visitation rights' :)

Viking6
March 23, 2004, 07:15 AM
I would say for the most part posers are harmless and have minor problems not psychotic episodes. I sometimes get amused by some folks' get ups but have to remind myself that God didn't put people on earth to please me. The only real irritation is and I think somebody already mentioned it is that the poser thinks I'm stupid enough to believe the outrageous stuff. But then there's a little poser in us all.

sturmruger
March 23, 2004, 11:33 AM
Abominable if I were you I would call the guy up and tell him that you think, he is a liar and a weenie. Call a spade a spade if this guy can't even take 1 of his 10 guns and go shooting then he is a sorry exscuse for a man.

killermarmot
March 23, 2004, 04:38 PM
artherd don't worry about it you can crank as many rounds through that new beast of yours just as long as I'm not standing next to muzzlebreak.

side note on "tactical gear" I think it's funny that..who is ..doug koneg (sp) wears a motorcycle helmet while shooting some events to reduce squeezing off shots.

bogie
March 23, 2004, 05:54 PM
Guys, I'd like to confirm that creating an electronic triggering device that results in multiple shots being fired from one push of a button is essentially the same thing as manufacturing a machinegun. I'd distance yourself from this clown, or you'll be likely to have F-Troop kicking on your door...

Kestrel
March 23, 2004, 06:32 PM
Well, maybe that guy with the helicopter aspirations needs to start with mounting a potato gun on the top of his car...

Maybe duct-tape a squirt gun on the side of his outside rear-view mirror, too...

JShirley
March 23, 2004, 06:43 PM
Being in the military is not glamorous...at least, being in the infantry isn't. It's about how much you can suck. About keeping going despite the blisters on your feet, and the pain in your belly, and the sweat pouring down your forehead, and over your face like salty water from the tap. About running with gear on, when your chest and legs and arms are burning. About crawling with dust and dirt in your mouth and eyes and barely literate noncoms yelling profanities at you. About getting up twice in your six hour night's rest to pull guard duty in the cold rain.

I reckon I wasn't a great infantryman, and I'm glad to be gone. Peter, the only scars I got from the Army are on my back, from that damned ruck. Finally realized- too late- that the frame on my personal ALICE wouldn't do that to my back. Oh, well.

I figured out that being a good killer is probably easier than being a good soldier. Being a good killer probably just means you know when to pull the trigger, but a good soldier may go an entire career without firing rounds "for real". Too bad about that Vulcan crewman. Always wanted my own Vulcan.

John

Mr. Mysterious
April 10, 2004, 05:23 PM
http://www.authentiseal.org/wos.htm

I hate posers...I've never had someone that I thought was a poser show me their DD214.

I have a couple stories...I'll post them later...

horge
April 10, 2004, 07:17 PM
originally posted by JShirley
Too bad about that Vulcan crewman.
Always wanted my own Vulcan.


Okay, it's from a horrible show,
but if I could have my own Vulcan...

http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/tpol8b.jpg

:D :D :D :D








Just having fun, and certainly no disrespect to the brave men and women
who've served their countries honourably
:)

riverdog
April 10, 2004, 07:23 PM
All this talk about posers makes me want to have my Colt 1991A1 hard-chromed; I'd hate to be mistaken for a poser. That said, I have worn Royal Robbins 5.11 pants for years. They're comfortable practical and tough. I never realized khaki pants were tactical, but that probably won't stop me from wearing them.

Is it okay to tell sea stories if they're true? There I was ...

HBK
April 10, 2004, 07:41 PM
All this talk of posers is...well...weird. Posers are just weird I guess, but I would liek to have my own Vulcan...if it looked like that one. We'd have to do something with the ears, though. Maybe longer hair...

Jeff Timm
April 10, 2004, 09:16 PM
"There I was..." Army talk for "Once upon a time..."

Geoff
Who was a very boring Sergeant in the US Army Ordnance Corps, long ago when the earth was young.

Hutch
April 10, 2004, 11:49 PM
You run into the real deal. In '89, I was working for a s/w company in No Va, and a coworker found out I "like guns" and should meet his friend Dan, who had BTDT, considerable. Ran into co-worker and Dan at a bar, and Dan proceeds to let me know he he likes to shoot, learned how at USMC sniper school, and had been LAPD SWAT as well. (yeah, right....)

Well... a few weeks later, a different coworker and I wound up at Dan's place, and Madre di Dios! it's all there. Scrapbooks and clippings, pictures of him w/ his LAPD squaddies, him w/ his pals in the USMC, and best of all, about a half-dozen or so custom Remington target rifles, along w/ notebooks w/ load data and test results, including chrono data and clippings from the target themselves!!! He still had a ghillie suit. Sure was glad I never called him on any of his assertions.

Doesn't happen often, but it happens.

Joshua Hutchison
April 11, 2004, 12:30 AM
At least no one has come up and said something about a guy who supposedly has had command of a

"Crack team of magical-uber-sniper-sea-leperchauns with mini-guns attached to there backs during world war IIV"

And at the rate of these stories happening,I am waiting for it ;)

But really these people are scary...And I'm only 17.

killermarmot
April 11, 2004, 05:00 AM
I don't usually tell people this but since I trust all you guys I'll tell you I'm with the CIA, NSA, DFG, FBI, DEA, ATF, OPP, NSC, MI6, and the very secretive B????ERS that's Balistic Special Helpers & Interogaters That Explosivley Rock Stuff for you that are not in the world of special ops. oh and I forgot to mention I control a crack team of magical-uber-sniper-sea-leperchauns with mini-guns attached to there backs that I trained at the school of the ozarks.


:D
sorry couldn't resist

JamisJockey
April 11, 2004, 07:47 AM
Me "I was in the Marines"
Typical person, who's met many posers
"Oh, Recon" (Musta seen Heartbreak ridge, eh?)
Me "Um, no...Airwing"
Them "Air..what?"
Me "Airwing...I was support..Air Traffic Controller"
Them "Oh, the dude with the thingies (proceeds to make motion with hands)"
Me :rolleyes: "No"
Them "So, you must have been a crack shot, right?"
Me "Uh..yea...sure...Marksman, you know...:neener:" (wanna see my 'pizza box'?)
Them "So, you went overseas alot?"
Me "No...spent most of my time in Yuma, some in 29 Palms"
Them "Where is that?"

Needless to say, I never pose
:neener:

Joshua Hutchison
April 11, 2004, 11:24 AM
I don't usually tell people this but since I trust all you guys I'll tell you I'm with the CIA, NSA, DFG, FBI, DEA, ATF, OPP, NSC, MI6, and the very secretive B????ERS that's Balistic Special Helpers & Interogaters That Explosivley Rock Stuff for you that are not in the world of special ops. oh and I forgot to mention I control a crack team of magical-uber-sniper-sea-leperchauns with mini-guns attached to there backs that I trained at the school of the ozarks.


:D I'm happy now.

Smoke
April 11, 2004, 12:09 PM
I was "recruited" to serve in "Nam. Yeah I was underage but the big dogs heard about some of my "skills" and brought me on board. Did a couple of tours there. Saw some shi....err stuff, nobody knows about and will never see the light of day. Had to do some of it too.

When I came of legal age I was "enlisted" (didn't have to do boot camp) I'd already been there and done that. Served with Recon and crossed over alot with the SEELS. During peace time the Rangers wanted me to train them.

I put my time in doing a lot of Secret Squirrell stuff...yeah, I got the coin....must have left it at home....adn now work with an agency thats not part of the public record. I spend time in South America and Europe.

Guns? Oh yeah, I've handled everything. When you get to the level I was in you learn how to make any gun fully auto, all it takes is two pop tops from a beer can, a 3/16 drill bit and some baling wire. Its really easy to do, but if I told you howm I'd have to kill you.

Llamas are the best you know, but I prefer a Jennigns or Lorcin for covert work. The great guns and disposable.

I have a full arsenal at the house. No, I can't show it to you, its classified. The Feds know its there though. I even have GPRs.

Don't mess with me. I can kill you before you blink with two hairs from my head. Leaves no marks, and I'll never be caught.

Ninjas are pansies.
Airborne are wimps.
I've trained them all, no body can touch me. What? GO to the range, uh, can't today, old war wound is acting up. Next week? No, no, ummmm.....got a top secret meeting.

Poser? What's that?

Secret Smoke


:D :D :D

Sven
April 11, 2004, 03:17 PM
Gunsmith John Jardine recounted to Gary H and I recently how he meets these people at the SHOT Show... after 20 minutes of their detailed recounting of all their gear, Jardine asks:

"so which disciplines do you shoot? Cross the course? Highpower?"

poseur responds:

"Oh I haven't shot it yet"

:what:

longtom4570
April 11, 2004, 04:01 PM
I've run into three posers one was a Coast guard SEEL,another was shot in the back with an RPG (prolly had balistic plates taped to his back)in Viet Nam and another was in the Rangers in Nam, talked about all of the cross border stuff and such sheesh:rolleyes:

Moparmike
April 11, 2004, 04:14 PM
I will second (or third?) that desire for that particular Vulcan. :D Can I have a borg too? ;)


Of course this 20yr old has been to 'Nam and Desert Storm! I have such |337 $k!||z that they demanded that I use my speed-limited DeLorean (88mph) to travel back in time and help. :D :rolleyes:

I want to know how they knew that it did that. I have been meaning to get that fixed...:uhoh:

fix
April 11, 2004, 09:05 PM
wanna see my 'pizza box'?

Slacker.

:D

kernal_panic
April 11, 2004, 09:44 PM
Ahh, the internet. Heck, for all you guys know, I could be a black-market arms dealer that lives an action packed life of excitement and danger!

Sadly between the internet, ebay, paypal, gun broker, and auction arms YOU REALLY COULD BE BOTH.

And not one person here would have a clue.

JamisJockey
April 12, 2004, 10:02 AM
Slacker.
LOL I'm just a bad shot.
:neener:
Despite the fact I was very fit when I went to boot, I wasn't very limber (still ain't), which made shooting pretty uncomfortable. I always did best at the off-hand string, but that just isn't enough to carry the day on the KD range.

Valkman
April 12, 2004, 11:08 AM
I worked with a guy who was always relaying his "Vietnam Stories", and I doubt he was even there! The best was how, in addition to whatever toilet-cleaning-like duties he had, at night he'd go "grab a bomber" and go bomb the VC and NVA! Then return home, land the plane and go back to toilet cleaning, I guess. :)

This is a guy who would impress upon his family the grave danger of his everyday job and warn them he might not come home. We worked for a big utilty in the natural gas regulation department! The only reason he might not go home was because he was an idiot! :uhoh:

Evil_Ed
April 12, 2004, 11:46 AM
Mr Mysterious said:

http://www.authentiseal.org/wos.htm I hate posers...I've never had someone that I thought was a poser show me their DD214.

Hmmm...found something related to our disciplines on that site. This guy is a firearms instructor in California, anyone taken a class from him??? His website (with lots of annoying music from airwolf, a-team, etc) is here:

http://www.firearmstraining.com/

His listing on the authentiseal page is here:

http://authentiseal.org/names/blockg.htm

Edit: Oops, forgot to list his name... Greg Block

TBeck
April 12, 2004, 06:34 PM
Yeah, I served in the Clone Wars. Gave Yoda some lightsaber tips. I had that Vader guy in my sights one day on Beta Carotene V, in the Omega 3 cluster, but those REMFs in the Alliance wouldn't give me authorization to take the shot. Something about an unjustifiable use of Force. I can't really talk about it. Besides, it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

:neener:

Jedi...levitate!

TBeck
April 12, 2004, 07:07 PM
Way back I worked as a cleaner for the Agency. When there absolutely couldn't be any evidence left behind...they called me. Sometimes it got ugly, really ugly. But it was my duty...my calling. Not just anybody could do what I did. It took a certain callousness, especially the wet work.

I remember once when a hungover Iraqi defector threw up in the seventh floor debriefing room. Who knew a human body could hold that much puke? They called me in. I put on the latex gloves and got to work. Several mop buckets and lots of Simple Green later you could never tell the Great Baclava Yawn had ever taken place. I got that room clean. So clean that the Congressional group that came by the next day never suspected they were sitting in Ground Zero...:barf:

hksw
April 12, 2004, 07:25 PM
I was "recruited" to serve in "Nam. Yeah I was underage but the big dogs heard about some of my "skills" and brought me on board. Did a couple of tours there. Saw some shi....err stuff, nobody knows about and will never see the light of day. Had to do some of it too.

I swear, this is essentially the story a friend's friend was telling him and later related to me. The only photo I saw of him in the military was a group photo of his unit of new recruits relaxing at boot camp. Couldn't show me any others. Top secret, ya know.

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