Experience with a Randall?


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Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 10:24 AM
Hola senors,
I ordered a sweet knife from Randall a few years ago and still have a year or two before I actually get it, as their is a 5 year wait since they are hand made. I've only invested the initial 50$. If I understand correctly, they will call me when they are about to start on it, and if I still want it, the rest of the $ will be due..Since I've ordered it, I've discovered that I LOVE shooting and that 5 or 600$ will just about get me that shiny new PPQm2 that I'm dreaming about. I've loved knives since I was young, but my collection doesn't get much use to say the least.

The question:
Have you all seen one, and are they as nice as I've heard? -I'm kind of waffling on whether or not to go through with the purchase but if it is a phenomenal knife, I think I would like to go through with it.

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Sam1911
July 28, 2013, 10:47 AM
So, basic question, what's the Randall knife FOR? Why are you getting it? I assume you're not waiting 5 years for a knife because you need to cut something. :)

So it's essentially an object of art, a collector's item for you. Will you be happier owning that knife, or owning something else like the gun you want? Or even better, putting that money toward practice and training so you have better skills?

As far as the knife goes, from what I understand they are very nice. (Some debate exists as to whether they are consistently as nice as they once were, but I've no idea about that.) You aren't getting a more useful blade than you could get for a lot cheaper, a lot faster, but that's not really the point with such things. You have to decide if you want a RANDALL knife. If you're buying the name, nothing else will do.

Dave P
July 28, 2013, 10:49 AM
Get the Randall - you have had years to save up for it. They are all wonderful handmade knives.

Next time, order from a dealer for much faster delivery (Capt Stanaback).

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 11:21 AM
Some debate exists as to whether they are consistently as nice as they once were

Interesting..I hadn't heard that. Yes I do collect, but yes i could get much cheaper. I don't know...I'm just wondering if they are really a "conversation starter", displayed on your desk at work or something...or just another knife...I guess a knife can only be so great..

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 11:24 AM
Thats good to hear Dave, thanks. I should have ordered from a dealer...the one bright spot of ordering from them was customizing. I got to pick out everything (you wouldn't believe how many things their are to choose from for a single knife)..

Sam Cade
July 28, 2013, 12:05 PM
...or just another knife.
.

In my experience, yes.

I've been fortunate to have several pristine secondary market Randalls go through my hands. Fit and finish was uniformly flawless. Really handsome knives.

I've also been fortunate enough to have found a screaming good deals on a couple stainless "shopworn" Randalls and used them.

They aren't anything special.



..I guess a knife can only be so great..

There are much better knives (by measure of performance) than any Randall for less money. Most won't be near so pretty.

Zeeemu
July 28, 2013, 12:06 PM
Randal & co. makes some fine quality knives. Question is, without the name and the recognition by others that comes with it would you really spend that much money for what is essentially a utility tool?

I bought a few Randall blades in the sixties. They were way less expensive then ($25 for a bird and trout knife), but more than what I'd of had to pay for a Buck at that time. I bought them because I could and the 'I Want's' ruled in my younger days. They've been safe Queens ever since.

People who know Randall's reputation and see my blades say, 'Oh, very nice'. But really, unless you want to actually use one what's it good for other than to look at, admire the workmanship - and bragging rights. And we all know what those are worth.

Also, as a work of art to "invest" in, there are plenty of much prettier blades out there to chose from. If you don't actually use the knife it'll eventually just wind up in some other bloke's hand after you're gone. Besides, he will likely toss it into his tackle box or tool drawer and beat it up through use or just let it rust away.

As a closing comment, all my 'useful' utility knives are just that. Nothing fancy - but they (collectively) get the jobs done for far less cash outlay than what I'd have to pay today for just one Randall blade.

Richard

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 12:13 PM
Good info, thanks. That PPQm2 is looking better and better. Sam, what do you mean by the "shopworn" knives?

Sam Cade
July 28, 2013, 12:20 PM
Sam, what do you mean by the "shopworn" knives?

Wear from being handled and moved about, knocked into other knives but not from use.

The huntin' knife I had, A #4 I think, had lost its point from a drop but was otherwise new.

Score. :cool:

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 12:21 PM
Thanks.

lobo9er
July 28, 2013, 12:55 PM
If you are planning on using the randall in my humble opinion there are knives made of same steel or better steel for less and no 5 year waiting period. From what I have learned here they use 440b stainless and 01 for carbon steel. As an investment they have held there value.

Zeke/PA
July 28, 2013, 01:01 PM
Randall knives are no better or no worse than any offered today. However, their craftsmanship is outstanding and a Randell knife is a good investment.
O-1 tool steel for a blade? In reality a blade made from O-1 is all the blade that anyone needs.

Sam Cade
July 28, 2013, 01:14 PM
O-1 tool steel for a blade?


The vast majority of Randalls are 440 stainless.
Less apt to get fingerprints that way.





In reality a blade made from O-1 is all the blade that anyone needs.
Cold Steel is spec'ing most of their Taiwanese fixed blades in O-1 now.

Just sayin' :D

alaskanativeson
July 28, 2013, 01:57 PM
Randalls continue to go up in value. If you ordered a Randall you pay $500 for, you can get it, put it on eBay, and you'll get 200-300 more than you paid for it. However, you'll be giving up a beautiful knife that has excellent construction.

I agree that there are many knives for less money that are as good or better in performance, but a Super Duty Ford can pull more, a Bently has a much smoother ride, and a Porsche is faster than my GMC Denali, but I got what I wanted for my needs and desires.

hso
July 28, 2013, 02:28 PM
Have you all seen one,

Yer kiddn, right? Some of us own them and have pics of them here.
You'll find whole threads on Randalls here if you do a simple search.

I'm just wondering if they are really a "conversation starter", displayed on your desk at work or something.

Yes, they are. Keep in mind, some people will wonder what the knife displayed on your desk is and that will start a conversation, but others will recognize it and that will start a conversation of a different sort.

The vast majority of Randalls are 440 stainless. Ummmm, not in my experience. Many "just display" knives might be, but I'd think "vast" might be a tad of an overstatement.;)

Sam Cade
July 28, 2013, 03:03 PM
Ummmm, not in my experience. Many "just display" knives might be, but I'd think "vast" might be a tad of an overstatement.;)

As it was explained to me most Randalls are purchased as "collector" knives so are 440B to prevent corrosion and get good and shiny. Makes sense to me since you can practically hear O-1 rust.

This jives pretty well with the knives listed for sale by Stanaback.

Eleven carbon steel and forty-nine stainless.

http://www.captainchrisstanabackrandallknives.com/index.php?/main/show/sale/1

Sam Cade
July 28, 2013, 03:18 PM
It would be cool to know the actual production ratios.

hso
July 28, 2013, 03:21 PM
They've been known to answer questions like that so it might be handy to call and ask.

hso
July 28, 2013, 03:39 PM
BTW, A.G. Russell's site has more O-1 than stainless, but not in the vast majority. Nordick seems to offer every Randall in either. Michigan offers only stainless. I think we'd need to check a few more authorized dealer's sites to make any sort of blanket statement about stainless vs. O-1 production with any chance of being accurate.

Ohen Cepel
July 28, 2013, 03:41 PM
They are great knives with a great history which tend to hold their values.

I took one to Afghanistan since I could, should be a nice memento to my Sons. Yes, some other knives could have served as well. Personal taste and preference in the end.

I don't think the Benchmade which I carried for years in my career will hold it's value as well as the Randall which I also took to war.

40-82
July 28, 2013, 03:43 PM
I have a Randall No. 3, unused when I got it, paid $117 for it at auction along with two custom Dan Shelors. I almost lost it because I'd made a silent bid, and when my mother went down to pick it up, the person who put it up for bid who also included a ridiculous fantasy knife with every curve imaginable in the lot decided he was not going to let his good knife go for what I bid. His good knife being the fantasy knife. I had already told my mother that if I had been the one to make the trip to pick up the knives that I would trash can the fantasy knife on the way out the door. So when the auctioneer apologized to her for the rude behavior of the seller and offered to let her out of my bid, she graciously told him that it was just fine and she would take the three remaining knives for the $117.

I've skinned beef animals, deer, and even very small game with the Randall. It's an excellent knife, but because of its value, I don't use it so much now. I never take it on wilderness trips. Here's my problem with the Randall: suppose I was slipping down a steep slope toward a drop off, could I slam the Randall in a crevice between a couple of rocks thus damaging the blade, and probably cracking the Sambar stag handles? Nope, I'd grunt and go over the drop, twisting my body in such a way that I protected the Randall when I splatted against the rocks at the bottom.

If you can afford the Randall it's one of the great classic knives, but it sounds like you're too much like me--you can't afford it.

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 06:30 PM
Wow. Thanks for the posts everyone. I had no idea this would get this many replies.

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 06:32 PM
Hey thanks for your service Ohen Cepel

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
Here's my problem with the Randall: suppose I was slipping down a steep slope toward a drop off, could I slam the Randall in a crevice between a couple of rocks thus damaging the blade, and probably cracking the Sambar stag handles? Nope, I'd grunt and go over the drop, twisting my body in such a way that I protected the Randall when I splatted against the rocks at the bottom.

If you can afford the Randall it's one of the great classic knives, but it sounds like you're too much like me--you can't afford it.

Thats funny and a very good point, though mine are all safe queens anyway. And you're right, their are many other things my wife would rather me buy right now:)

That said, I'm kind of anxious to get the knife again now. I'll post pics if I'm still alive when I get it!

Piraticalbob
July 28, 2013, 07:12 PM
Having already waited more than half of the wait period to get your knife, you'd be a fool to cancel the order now. As has been said, it's always possible to buy the knives more quickly via a dealer - - at a stiff markup. As for using the knife, it depends on which model you picked - - one of the small hunting knives you might be willing to carry regularly, but very few are going to want the huge weight of the Smithsonian Bowie dragging their belt down and throwing their hip out of joint.

I have three Randalls - - a Model 1, a Smithsonian, and the small Saltwater Fisherman. I actually have carried the latter knife as an EDC, and it served that role well, althought it's too thick and short to be a good "fishing" knife. It's a great little hunter/utility knife, though.

VA27
July 28, 2013, 07:29 PM
Very few knives made in this world that you can use for 20 years and then sell it for more than you paid for it.

There are Randall users and there are collectors. You can be either, or both.

It took me 20 years to get to the point where I could own one and by golly I'm using it, 'cause I'll be lucky to have 20 years left!

lobo9er
July 28, 2013, 07:46 PM
suppose I was slipping down a steep slope toward a drop off, could I slam the Randall in a crevice between a couple of rocks thus damaging the blade, and probably cracking the Sambar stag handles?

Nope but you could do that with a Busse and maybe pay a little less. Thats my hang up with Randalls personally. For the cost they aren't using anything special for steel. You can get a heck of nice 0-1 knife from a custom knife maker for less. I think, and this is just me of course, Randalls era in the sun may not last forever, I think you are buying the name on the knife, like Harley. And theres nothing wrong with that either. The new generation of Knife enthusiast are more aware of knife steel. And in away more steel snobbish. for Randall high dollar price I'd be looking more at what guys like this are doinghttp://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GLZ222Q/0/O/i-GLZ222Q.jpg

And as far as a user go for 200 some dollars theres endless choices made from the newest and coolest steel. Just me though everyone has brands they like and stick with. And some brands are collectible and stay that way.

Potatohead
July 28, 2013, 09:29 PM
Cool guys, thanks for all of your replies. I'm thinking I'm going to go through with the purchase..
Someone was wondering which I ordered. The plan was originally to get three...I was going to get one of the smaller, more useful, and practical ones first but ended up getting a pretty big one (almost a friggin sword, I may change it to 7 or 8") , thinking I would get a smaller one and a more military style one later that I could actually use. I had to pull out the invoice to remember all the details, it's been so long! It is a model #12-9" Sportsman, forward curved hilt, maroon micarta handle, crow beak brass butt. Who knows how that will look, hopefully thats not an ugly mix..

JShirley
July 28, 2013, 09:54 PM
Busse kin.

I've paid as mch for a Swamp Rat as I could have a Randall- but I've used it.

rcmodel
July 28, 2013, 10:19 PM
IMO: A 9" knife is 3" - 4" too long to be a useful knife.

And 12" - 20" too short to be a useful sword.

I'd cancel the order post-haste!

Unless you just want a useless Randal knife to coon-finger while watching TV in the evening.

rc

CWL
July 28, 2013, 10:40 PM
Randalls continue to go up in value. If you ordered a Randall you pay $500 for, you can get it, put it on eBay, and you'll get 200-300 more than you paid for it. However, you'll be giving up a beautiful knife that has excellent construction.


Actually, the more common & popular Randalls (models 1-7) go for $360, that's only up $10 since I started ordering them, and the wait time is now 4 years because of the economy.

That's not a bad price for a hand-made, forged knife. It's just the waiting time that most don't like to deal with.

A more realistic price is prolly a $100-150 mark-up if you turned-around and sold your new Randall after you get it.

Gordon
July 28, 2013, 10:43 PM
Lobo9er that is one gorgeous and practical looking blade IMHO . Who made it ect., please?

hso
July 28, 2013, 11:30 PM
http://www.randallknives.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/model-12E-sptmn.jpg

forward curved hilt ok

maroon micarta handle hmmmm maybe

crow beak brass butt not on a 12 bowie

If you're looking for a big display Randall a 12 isn't a bad choice since it is a big freaking knife, but since it is a bowie you need to think about the overall presentation, which your choices don't indicate. A big display bowie shouldn't use micarta unless you're trying to modernize the look. With the foward swept guard the maroon micarta is the only micarta I'd pick for a 12. For a more traditional looking bowie it needs a wood or stag fancy grip to go with the display piece concept. The crow beak butt is a prosaic style that shouldn't be used for a display piece (see Q below). The butt is the final statement on the knife. Here you've chosen a dramatic large blade style so you need a dramatic butt. Stag with buttplate and your initials engraved in the plate or a wood with brass butt cap to improve balance or even the maroon with brass cap???

Look at the C and the Q and decide which butt looks better.

http://www.randallknives.com/wp-content/themes/Randall/images/excust-sm.jpg

Look through here for a variety of combos http://www.ricksknives.com/photo_collection.htm

rcmodel
July 28, 2013, 11:52 PM
IMO: I own exactly one Randall, a Vietnam era leather handle 1-7 I have owned for a lot of years.

But, it is nothing special as far as knives go today.
Maybe it was then?
But it sure isn't now!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/Knives/Randall1.jpg

I look at current prices with somewhat the same amusement I had when people were paying $500 - $1,000+ for Beanie Baby collectables.

You could have lost more money faster by tipping strippers.

Randall's are no longer handmade custom knives.
And have not been since Bo Randall died 25 years ago.
And stopped making hand-made knives himself many years before that.

Today, they are produced in a factory by a bunch of semi-skilled knife assemblers.

Any perceived 'scarcity' or 'back-order' is caused by Randall's insistence on filling their dealer orders first, and letting them sell them on eBay for a 150%-200% markup, or more.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1311.R1.TR11.TRC1.A0.Xrandall+&_nkw=randall+knife&_sacat=0&_from=R40

I have made enough pretty good knives myself in the last 40 years to know if they wanted too?
They could catch up with back-logs, and fill all the orders in the next few months.

But that would surely PO a Whole Bunch of Randall dealers with standing orders, (and collectors) that fell for it by dropping the bottom out of the prices they are commanding in the Randall collector & uninformed eBay community.

That's my story & I'm sticking too it!

rc

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 09:06 AM
IMO: A 9" knife is 3" - 4" too long to be a useful knife.

And 12" - 20" too short to be a useful sword.

I'd cancel the order post-haste!

Unless you just want a useless Randal knife to coon-finger while watching TV in the evening.

rc
Yes rc, I think you're right on the blade length...I couldnt decide, so many options..

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 09:16 AM
HSO,
I appreciate your help most definitely and will take some of your advice most likely and do a change order (of course they will charge me). I think I get the gist of what you're saying but can you sum up what all you would do to it again?



I'm not so proud as to say I really know what I'm doing on this...When I say I've "collected" since I was young, that may be to strong a word..I've always been interested in knives, checking out stores on vacation, getting one here and there, but not really studying up on them...I have probably 15 or so, some fantasy (the knife used in Cobra, and a Gil Hibben), throwing knives, a couple bucks, a couple butterflys, a switchblade, a few "tactical" ones...etc

I'm at work but will check replies again when I get home. Thanks everyone, seriously..

mic214
July 29, 2013, 10:15 AM
I have been an owner/ user of Randall's since the early 80's. I got my first one (A model 14) back when the wait was only a year or so. It was my main "Outback" blade for many years.

I then lucked out on a nice Model 16 at a gun show, which I used when I was kayaking. My next Randall was a little Model 10-3, that I carry in my Maxpedition gear bag.

As a retirement gift to myself, I picked up a Model 12-9 "Sportsman's Bowie". I ordered this one through Nordic Knives, so the wait was only three years instead of five. I have carried this beast while checking fences out on the ranch.

My last Randall is a the one I use the most. It is a Model 5 with a 5" blade. This is the one that is always with me when I head outdoors. The smaller blade is easier to carry and is the most useful for the majority of chores I come across...

From left to right, my Model 12-9, Model 14, Model 16 and a Model 10-3:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/Knives/DSCN0273_edited.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/mic214/media/Knives/DSCN0273_edited.jpg.html)

My Model 5:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/Knives/DSC_0297.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/mic214/media/Knives/DSC_0297.jpg.html)

Zeeemu
July 29, 2013, 10:45 AM
"I'm not so proud as to say I really know what I'm doing on this..."

Mr. Indecision,

You said it, I didn't - but I think your assessment is correct. You also seem to be a person easily swayed by emotions - and those seem to run this way and that, from one 'I want' to another, all likely beyond your current means.

Why torture yourself further? Since you are having difficulty deciding I suggest you wait out the remaining period and make a final decision when it becomes time to fish or cut bait. Undoubtedly, by then other 'I want's' will likely appear.

As always, the decisions we make and the consequences that follow are ours alone. Chose wisely. Remember, none of us can have it all and none of us can take it with us. Good luck. :)

Richard

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 11:35 AM
I have been an owner/ user of Randall's since the early 80's. I got my first one (A model 14) back when the wait was only a year or so. It was my main "Outback" blade for many years.

I then lucked out on a nice Model 16 at a gun show, which I used when I was kayaking. My next Randall was a little Model 10-3, that I carry in my Maxpedition gear bag.

As a retirement gift to myself, I picked up a Model 12-9 "Sportsman's Bowie". I ordered this one through Nordic Knives, so the wait was only three years instead of five. I have carried this beast while checking fences out on the ranch.

My last Randall is a the one I use the most. It is a Model 5 with a 5" blade. This is the one that is always with me when I head outdoors. The smaller blade is easier to carry and is the most useful for the majority of chores I come across...

From left to right, my Model 12-9, Model 14, Model 16 and a Model 10-3:


Nice. I like all, but the #5 does look quite practical.

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 11:37 AM
"I'm not so proud as to say I really know what I'm doing on this..."

Mr. Indecision,

You said it, I didn't - but I think your assessment is correct. You also seem to be a person easily swayed by emotions - and those seem to run this way and that, from one 'I want' to another, all likely beyond your current means.

Why torture yourself further? Since you are having difficulty deciding I suggest you wait out the remaining period and make a final decision when it becomes time to fish or cut bait. Undoubtedly, by then other 'I want's' will likely appear.

As always, the decisions we make and the consequences that follow are ours alone. Chose wisely. Remember, none of us can have it all and none of us can take it with us. Good luck. :)

Richard
Alrightey then. Will you be sending me a bill for that? :)

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 11:41 AM
I don't really want to make a bunch of decisions, I do enough of that at work...I really just want a nice knife.

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 11:45 AM
So HSO, you think the crows beak brass butt is a no no for this particular mix? right? I read your post quickly earlier and didnt catch everything. I see what your saying. I like Q better overall, but you're saying lets look at the butt here....duh..

It's really hard to imagine all of these options together, maybe my imagination isn't very good. I was leaning on the lady's experience on the phone when I ordered it, and you see where that got me, I remember a back and forth about the butt...So for a presentation piece you would have gotten a different butt, but I would like to modernize the look a bit (micarta)..

Zeeemu
July 29, 2013, 02:06 PM
" Will you be sending me a bill for that?"

No bill to pay, my advice is free and worth what it costs.


"I really just want a nice knife."

See, that wasn't too difficult. Only took two pages of postings to almost arrive at a decision. May your choices bring you joy. : )

Richard

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 02:47 PM
You almost aggravate me Zeemu, but I think I like you....

Zeeemu
July 29, 2013, 03:22 PM
" but I think I like you...."

That's good, ... I think. ;)

Potatohead
July 29, 2013, 03:39 PM
HaHa...:eek: you never know these days!

I assure you, you are safe

lobo9er
July 29, 2013, 05:21 PM
Gordon Thats a Custom maker CAS Knives you should check out his stuff. Someday I would like one of his smaller creations. pretty sick user.

hso
July 29, 2013, 09:53 PM
mic214's 12 shows almost exactly one of the examples I indicated with stag and a brass buttcap. Look at the flow of the knife from the point to the butt with the brass buttcap he chose. Then go back and look at "Q" in the picture from Randall with the crow beak. Does the "Q" flow like mic214's? Not to my eye, but then I'm not the buyer and it may appeal to you.

hso
July 29, 2013, 09:56 PM
Today, they are produced in a factory by a bunch of semi-skilled knife assemblers.

With 20 employees I can see how it would be considered a "factory" but I'm not sure you could call guys that freehand grind on grinding wheels "semi-skilled knife assemblers".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0pZEyHvCB8w&t=217

JShirley
July 29, 2013, 09:58 PM
Just get a Busse, Tater Head. Then you'll have Real Ultimate Power- you can even slay dragons, really.

lobo9er
July 29, 2013, 11:41 PM
If I had to slay a dragon tonight I would probably take a Busse.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mauser348/gladius1.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/mauser348/media/gladius1.jpg.html)

probably this one. And if my bank account was in need of a diet I would add one to the safe anyways.

JShirley
July 29, 2013, 11:45 PM
I have a Swamp Rat Waki. And I totally can slay dragons.

And stuff.

In all seriousness, though some of the Busse ergos are debateable, I don't think anyone makes a stronger knife.

Potato Head, I'd advise you get one of these ( http://shop.swampratknives.com/Rodent-Solution-0005.htm) in the blade color and handle color of your choice. Then get a nice sheath. And be happy.

John

Sam Cade
July 30, 2013, 12:12 AM
In all seriousness, though some of the Busse ergos are debateable

Ha!

So Jerry is actually in the room with you then? ;)


I can't fault the Scrap Yard/Old Busse Resiprene C, those are pretty good.

CWL
July 30, 2013, 12:13 AM
Randall's are no longer handmade custom knives.
And have not been since Bo Randall died 25 years ago.
And stopped making hand-made knives himself many years before that.

Today, they are produced in a factory by a bunch of semi-skilled knife assemblers.

Any perceived 'scarcity' or 'back-order' is caused by Randall's insistence on filling their dealer orders first, and letting them sell them on eBay for a 150%-200% markup, or more.

And just what exactly are the "semi-skilled knife assemblers" putting together? Where do the forged blades come from?

Randall has a long history supplying knives from wars to field to space exploration, they've earned a place in history. They are still carried by soldiers and sportsmen. If you don't want to pay the mark-ups, then order them directly form Randall.

If you want to see crazy mark-ups, look at Busse, Strider, or Mad Dog.

JShirley
July 30, 2013, 01:23 AM
The Swamp Rat - a Busse- I linked is $135. Sure, it's "only" 3 1/2", but I specifically linked to it in the hopes that our OP might actually buy a knife in a size he could regularly use.

I traded Sam Cade a Scap Yard (another Busse brand) recently. It's not as pretty as the one I linked to...but it sells for less than $100. For a coated 52100 knife. That doesn't seem like much mark-up at all.

John

Sam Cade
July 30, 2013, 02:08 AM
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I traded Sam Cade a Scap Yard (another Busse brand) recently. It's not as pretty as the one I linked to...but it sells for less than $100. For a coated 52100 knife. That doesn't seem like much mark-up at all.


..and it is a dandy little knife.

My wife confiscated it and has been EDCing it pretty regular since then. :cool:

It has seen quite a bit of use in the garden, kitchen and office. Took a spooky sharp edge, is holding it well and doesn't panic the other Moms when used to cut the birthday pizzas at Ralphies Funland.

For less than a Benjamin, it is a steal.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=187092&stc=1&d=1375164451

Potatohead
July 30, 2013, 08:46 AM
Sweet. My little girls would love that. (dragon slaying, J shirley comment)

Potatohead
July 30, 2013, 08:48 AM
I have a Swamp Rat Waki. And I totally can slay dragons.

And stuff.

In all seriousness, though some of the Busse ergos are debateable, I don't think anyone makes a stronger knife.

Potato Head, I'd advise you get one of these ( http://shop.swampratknives.com/Rodent-Solution-0005.htm) in the blade color and handle color of your choice. Then get a nice sheath. And be happy.

John
Nice knife

Potatohead
July 30, 2013, 08:49 AM
but I specifically linked to it in the hopes that our OP might actually buy a knife in a size he could regularly use.

And damage its beauty? No way. Mine are safe queens. (except a switchblade)

Potatohead
July 30, 2013, 08:56 AM
mic214's 12 shows almost exactly one of the examples I indicated with stag and a brass buttcap. Look at the flow of the knife from the point to the butt with the brass buttcap he chose. Then go back and look at "Q" in the picture from Randall with the crow beak. Does the "Q" flow like mic214's? Not to my eye, but then I'm not the buyer and it may appeal to you.
I don't like the stag..(if thats what you are calling the handle on mic12's one on the left), well I love the look of it, but for my display piece, not so much..If I'm out in the woods, yes. I do see your point about the butt cap. What is that called, just a regular butt cap?

Also, I would like the hilt (handguard) and butt to be the same color, but I don't remember specifying when I placed the order..? Any comment on that? I guess I could just call Randall, but you folks seem pretty darn knowledgeable.

Potatohead
July 30, 2013, 08:58 AM
I really like that model 5 of mic12's

JShirley
July 30, 2013, 10:19 AM
Potatohead,

Knives are made to be used. That knife I linked is much more affordable, yet in a hardworking premium steel. You're missing out on the true beauty of a knife- the ability to be used with purpose.

John

Potatohead
July 30, 2013, 10:20 AM
Yes you are probably right...I love watching Bear Grylls use his, shaving down a spear, cutting vines, skinning a tree to get twine...slicing open a camel...maybe not that one

JShirley
July 30, 2013, 10:37 AM
Swamp Rats have the best guarantee in the world. Use it. If you break it, they'll give you another.

kamagong
July 30, 2013, 12:33 PM
Randalls are worth it if they make what you want. If you'd prefer something else -- different blade steel, stainless instead of brass furniture, etc. -- you'd be better served by something else.

lobo9er
July 30, 2013, 04:56 PM
I agree with Jshirley on this 100% swamp rat makes one a bit prettier and still under a hund-o. http://www.swampratknifeworks.com/images/rodent3.jpg

Potatohead
July 30, 2013, 04:59 PM
That is a sweet little knife. Sheath?

JShirley
July 30, 2013, 05:33 PM
A nice sheath will run $35-100 (or more!) depending on materials and how nice you want it. Sam1911 has a friend and forum member, Joel (http://www.jrcustomleather.com/), who makes best-quality leather sheaths. If you want kydex, those tend to be less expensive than premium leather. There are several THR members who make terrific kydex rigs.

John

Sam Cade
July 30, 2013, 05:44 PM
Hmmmm.... I'd love to do a composite wrap/layup on a Scrapyard.

http://www.scrapyardknives.com/images/handle.jpg

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=187119&stc=1&d=1375220582


Too bad the handles are so good already. :cool:

alsask
July 30, 2013, 06:42 PM
I have to agree with Potatohead, the Randall model 5 is the nicest looking of the bunch.

tubeshooter
July 30, 2013, 07:25 PM
Not to pile on here... but that Model 5 is mighty, mighty nice.

hso
July 30, 2013, 09:55 PM
Buttcap and guard have to be the same color for a display piece.

Stag is more suitable for display than use. Stabilized wood is good for either.

Potatohead
July 31, 2013, 11:24 AM
thx

BrainOnSigs
July 31, 2013, 11:32 AM
I own several Randalls and love them all. I have a few safe queens but several have been used to skin big game. Love a good stag handle.

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Other/Things-that-go-BANG/i-bFQnxzt/0/XL/Randall-1-XL.jpg

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Other/Things-that-go-BANG/i-MZ4xc6F/0/XL/Randall-2-XL.jpg

Gave my son his 1st one 5 years ago (he now looks down on me).
http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Other/South-Dakota-Jesse/i-2sCRMRD/0/XL/Jesse%20and%20Wade-1-XL.jpg

SlamFire1
July 31, 2013, 02:39 PM
We live in wonderful times, so many choices. It was not always that way. Knife companies in the 60ís were sticking to old designs, the scabbards were thin, the blades were thin, if you wanted a quality knife you had to go to a custom knife maker. There were not that many and they were not easy to find.

Randall made excellent patterns with heavy duty sheaths. The Randall #1 and #14 is such a sound basic design that you can find many copies or many variations.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/knives/Randall1ontop14bottomDSCN2873.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/SlamFire/media/knives/Randall1ontop14bottomDSCN2873.jpg.html)

While the blade shape is excellent for combat/utility knives, it is too wedgie when reduced to camp knife size. My trout and bird is not a good slicing or piercing knife.

I got to talk to one of the Randall sons the last I was down there, the steels have varied over the years. I am not interested in carbon steels, because they rust. It is my recollection the stainless used to be 440 (B or C I donít remember) and Randall was trying other stainless steels.

I think the overall designs are excellent, the construction excellent, but , after beating up the handle and sheath on my trout and bird against rocks, trees, I donít think it is smart to put that much money in one if you plan to use it.

Unlike 40 years ago we have lots of outstanding factory knives made out of the best stainless steels ever. If I lose my VG-1 Pendleton in the woods, I am not out much money, and I can get another. Same for the Hattori knives I have, excellent little sheath knives.

http://www.japaneseknifedirect.com/H-359.jpg

So, keep your Randall, play with it, it is still American made, the blades are still hand forged, and that is getting to be a lot harder find every year.

JShirley
July 31, 2013, 04:47 PM
Love a Loveless-style handle! Very nice.

John

Potatohead
July 31, 2013, 07:33 PM
Those are nice, guys. Thanks for your posts.

Gordon
July 31, 2013, 11:38 PM
My dragon Slayer : the prototype Mad Dog Saxon sword which after years of abusive class work and demonsratrations was returned like new from Kevin to it's prior owner that I traded for lots of Randalls.:evil: it gives a slick shave to my legs BTW. :D
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/007-7.jpg

MartinS
August 3, 2013, 11:02 AM
It's a lifestyle, all good.

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