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Skofnung
March 21, 2004, 05:35 PM
Hello again.

What are some good options for carrying while jogging? My carry guns are:

Glock 26

Kel-Tec P3-AT

So far I have thought about belly bands and fanny packs. ( :uhoh: )

What are some other options? I don't like the idea of a fanny pack and I have heard the belly bands are a little uncomfortable.

I normally carry IWB, strong side ~ 4:00.

Thanks for tthe help.

7.62FullMetalJacket
March 21, 2004, 05:42 PM
I have not had much luck, with all the bouncing and sweating. In this case a sharp, pointy stick MAY be better :)

pwrtool45
March 21, 2004, 05:47 PM
Personally, I just go running at 7:00 AM. Criminals aren't up that early. ;)

To answer your question-- NAA 22M in the pocket with a folded sheet of notebook paper to break the outline. Even the Kel Tec P32 is too large in this case.

Keyser Soze
March 21, 2004, 07:12 PM
You could try one of these I use one on occasion.

http://www.blackhawkindustries.com/product_detail.asp?product_id=2097&d=

7.62FullMetalJacket
March 21, 2004, 07:45 PM
:scrutiny: Isn't the Blackhawk a little OBVIOUS ?

shoobe01
March 21, 2004, 08:02 PM
Before I followed the link, I was thinking of the The Wilderness' fanny-pack things. Even they are troublesome because they are black. If someone doesn't think its a gun, they will think its a case for something electronic, and therefore stealable.

And criminals do spot details more than I would have thought. I have recently heard that (in NYC) they are aware that white earbuds=iPod, so look for people with white headsets in dark alleys, and rob them of their 'pods. Yeep!

I also find it hard to even carry a knife, and can only carry my vanishingly-small phone when its in my hand (if I am on-call, etc.), which is not so much of a handgun option. Luckily, I trust my neighborhood. To defend myself at 6:30 am, I'd need something capable of immediately stopping all the cars running stop signs.

Concealable .50 Whisper is too much to ask, right?

Mr. Mysterious
March 21, 2004, 08:25 PM
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=ShowProduct&Q=&O=&sku=278303

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/601-6217788-4429739?asin=B00008Y1AC

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3085463835&category=50607

Not huge, but could carry a little kel-tec.

Personally when I run I don't worry about being mugged or robbed. I'm only afraid of traffic and for that I wear a reflective belt. The way I've figured, is that a jogger typically doesn't carry a ton of cash or a wallet. The most they have will be a discman or a walkman....which are dirt cheap now a days. The only thing that might cause me a little inkling of fear would be getting tire ironed by a passing car full of teenagers...and there is no gun that will protect you from that. Joggers just don't present good targets of opportunity because we are moving, don't have anything of any real value, and probably in good enough physical shape to kick the crap out of the mugger. Now if I was a woman I'd worry about the whole rape thing, but as a guy I am fortunate enough not to worry about that.

Now, when I bike it's another story. My bike is worth a lot of money...and last year I didn't have a CCW or a handgun for that matter, and I would carry a CRKT M16 in a handlebag or in a front pocket of my shorts. This year, I might bring my Steyr M9 in the handlebag...or if I get one by then a kel-tec or other small pistol. There has been incidents on the greenways around Indy of people getting knocked off....I'm not afraid of little punks...I'm pretty big and can hold my own against punks...its the thugs in the new sections of greenways that worry me.

VaughnT
March 21, 2004, 08:34 PM
There was a thread like this not too long ago and one of the posts linked to someone making a chest-rig similar to the BHI catastrophe, only it was head and shoulders above it in appearance and function. Wish I could recall where that fella is......

Anyhow, the belly band is a good option depending on the size and weight of your pistol. Another option is a shoulder holster under a sweatjacket.

7.62FullMetalJacket
March 21, 2004, 08:40 PM
Good Points.:)

I like the armband thing. Now I need to pry the Kel-Tec out of my wifes hands. Can these MP3 things handle a 1911 :rolleyes:

I do not worry about the 2-legged varmints. However, it is getting warmer and I will be putting some time in running through the wilds of Utah (actually, I live in the wilds way away from people :) ). I AM worried about getting drug down by a mountain lion:mad: or pestered by some coyotes :( I do have something that they want: Hot Meal :uhoh:

SouthpawShootr
March 21, 2004, 08:49 PM
I have a neat little waistpack made by Eastsport that I got from Wal-mart. It has a zippered pocket in the back (where my CCW/ID is stored) and an zippered front pocket (my NAA Guardian .380 and nothing else). This arrangement works out well for me. I don't think I could try putting a heavier gun in it, though - too much bouncing around.

nhhillbilly
March 21, 2004, 11:21 PM
I run all the time with a glock 23, and a belly band holster. Comfortable and secure. Can not reholster in a hurry but very concealable.

DigMe
March 21, 2004, 11:50 PM
Mr. Mysterious,

How do you handle large dogs? They typically don't care how much money you're carrying.

brad cook

Marshall
March 21, 2004, 11:59 PM
Isn't the Blackhawk a little OBVIOUS ?

LMAO :D

CB900F
March 22, 2004, 12:16 AM
Skofnung;

I don't suppose you'd care to start bicycling instead? That would open up some options to you & still allow the exercise without the impact.

900F

Mr. Mysterious
March 22, 2004, 01:54 AM
Mr. Mysterious, How do you handle large dogs? They typically don't care how much money you're carrying. brad cook

Indy has some pretty strict dog laws...I haven't seen many loose. If I was to be attacked by one and my foot didn't work, or banging my walkman against it's head didn't work, or me poking it's eyes out didn't work...I guess that I would be pretty much screwed.

Now you've probably jinxed me and next time I run I'll get chased....might start having to carry a ken onion or crkt with me now to give me better odds ;) I could probably clip one to the back of my shorts pretty easily.

DigMe
March 22, 2004, 09:51 AM
Mysterious,

I often do the same. If I don't carry a gun I at least carry a knife on the waist band, however I recently lost my only decent carry knife. :mad: It hasn't been an issue though because I've been running at the gym and so far I haven't seen any dogs on the treadmill next to me. *fingers crossed*

brad cook

Gordy Wesen
March 23, 2004, 09:50 PM
This might be what you are looking for:

http://www.jagwear.com/jgwr4-28.htm

http://www.shootingsystems.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SS&Product_Code=WHSS&Category_Code=08

pauli
March 24, 2004, 12:42 PM
do you have to carry concealed while jogging, or is open carry acceptable?

happyguy
March 24, 2004, 06:41 PM
I carry my Kahr P9 in a "Tunebelt" designed to carry a CD Player. You could even wear headphones and run the cord into the pouch if you really wanted to go into stealth mode.

Regards,
Happyguy:D

PCRCCW
March 28, 2004, 09:57 AM
How about a shirt that says...."I jogging for my health, carry NO MONEY and have a very large gun that I can shoot very well" on the front and on the back "AAARRRFFF AARRRFFF, GGGRRRR GRRRRR, AAARRFF" which translated says the same thing in Dog Speak! :D

Sorry, Im drinking my coffee and my sense of humor is in the cup somewhere.......

Youve gotten alot of good advice thus far.....being a holster maker I really cant help you personally....but some of the products mentioned should work for you.

Shoot well.

rrb
March 28, 2004, 10:32 AM
Until somebody comes out with a P32-sized gun that is reliable, pepper spray might be the best option.

pwrtool45
March 28, 2004, 11:10 AM
Spray is an invaluable tool. Not just for dogs, but for people as well. If we were to be a tad more pragmatic, we may find that its probability of being effective is equal to or greater than most small-caliber pistols. Of course, when spray fails people don't haul ***. Even if a .32 doesn't hit the CNS, people still have a tendancy to get out of dodge with as much haste as they can muster after the first "bang."

The above comments do no apply to ninja hit squads or nocturnal mutant bears.

tech
March 28, 2004, 07:05 PM
7.62,
I don't know if I would have had time to nick the dog that got me with a blade. He got in close and behind me got me a good one in the rear and then the owner got him away. It took a half mile an a little sweat in the punctures to let me know he broke the skin. If I had a pistol I would have prevented him from getting close enough to do any damage. If you try the armband let me know how it works. I have tried to cary while running. I just cant run with a waistpack bouncing on my leg for 6 miles every morning. I tried with a beretta m 21 .22 cal and it still buged the crap out of me. Now I watch for trees to climb. Shoot.. I might have to buy one of those armbands and try it myself.

Mike

Mr. Mysterious
March 28, 2004, 07:44 PM
Whenver I get a p32 or a P3a2 I might try to sew my own armband to carry it in. I have imagined the following:

Velcro strap, a form fitting trigger cover, and a cover that will cover it and secure it...probably made of velcro to keep it tight. The back that is against the skin would be waterproof so that the sweat wouldn't leech in.

7.62FullMetalJacket
March 28, 2004, 08:54 PM
I see no reason why the arm CD pocket will not work for the Kel-Tec. The P3AT is so light that you should hardly notice it. If you use a CD player on the other side, it should balance out. :D

I am seriouslt considering the "executive" bellyband thing mentioned above so I can carry something larger than a poddle gun. :uhoh:

http://www.jagwear.com/jgwr4-28.htm

Pricey, but I am thinking some alternative thoughts about other situations so I may as well try it. :scrutiny:

Limey-
March 29, 2004, 02:41 AM
Over the last twenty years i have been attacked a number of times by large dogs while knocking out my five mile run a boot to the dogs head or a heavy punch to the nose while running at them usually scares the sh## out of GSD,Pitbulls and rottweilers.I used to run around a "bad" neighborhood in a Large US city and had a number of "crackheads" try to hold me up for cash etc.Now im jogging im 6'2 weight 210lbs you think the crackheads might see some correlation with fit big guy at 9pm running with little effort and their sorry pitiful tweaked out asses being 'worse off' if they tried to rob me but i guess most are too fried or assume you might not be used to dealing with the scary urban badass:rolleyes: .........for special events i carry a Spyderco rescue while jogging have done for years i have pulled it twice and yes i was trained by Her Majestys Govt in the finer points of utilising a wee serated beastie.............................works for me.

Island Beretta
March 30, 2004, 09:46 AM
A bellyband seems to be the best, I use the Desantis ..at first it was a bit uncomfortable but as the waistline decreased it rode better (hint).. A solid owb holster can work too but tends to print especially if the clothes get wet and you also feel the weight of the pistol some more.

From a safety point of view I suggest that you never jog with a loaded chamber.. just a precaution against Murphy..

tiberius
March 30, 2004, 11:08 AM
The P-3AT is very light. It is also what I carry when jogging. Is imple use an uncle Mike's IWB (with the velcro thumbreak) clipped to my waist band. This cheap holster is sweat resistant and stays perfectly in place and does not irritate me. Its a cheap and effective solution as long as you are willing to were a T-shirt untucked.

CZ-100
March 30, 2004, 07:57 PM
Strap a shot gun on your back:D

Dominic
April 4, 2004, 10:30 AM
I jog with a Kel-Tec in my SmartCarry with no problem! = very accessible under jogging shorts or pants. http://www.smartcarry.com

tiberius
April 4, 2004, 01:20 PM
I jog with a Kel-Tec in my SmartCarry with no problem! = very accessible under jogging shorts or pants I have done this and can concur. Another advantage is it gives you a nice place to hold you CHL and house key if needed.

Though I have moved to the UM holster method for comfort and ease.

7.62FullMetalJacket
April 16, 2004, 11:13 PM
I screwed up earlier. This is the one I ordered.

http://www.shootingsystems.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/WHSS.jpg


Carried the Para P14-45 fully loaded. No problems.
Next up: Glock 21C with full load.
I have a girth :rolleyes: and the large is a little big :uhoh:
I wonder just how BIG these Secret Service guys are?
So order the medium. If you are little, you are probably SOL :neener:

DigMe
April 17, 2004, 03:12 PM
7.62,

Did that come from jagwear?

brad cook

7.62FullMetalJacket
April 17, 2004, 04:55 PM
http://www.shootingsystems.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SS&Product_Code=WHSS&Category_Code=08

tech
April 17, 2004, 10:19 PM
You guys that are currently running with pistols. Do you have no problems with corrosion? Do ya just wipe it down and put it up? I sweat buckets when I run. My clothes are wringing wet when I finnish in the summer and the pistol would have been sweated on for an hour. I would figure it would get all down in the slide and such. I really sweat. Anyhow I don't have time to run and clean my gun in the morning. Just wondering how you guys handle it.

Mike

7.62FullMetalJacket
April 17, 2004, 10:35 PM
Well, I don't, or didn't, run with a gun prior to getting the rig above.

The rig will insulate the gun from buckets of sweat. Moreover, I will be carrying stainless or tennifer finish. I do not expect sweat to get to the inner workings. If they do, just a strip and oil should do it.

tech
April 18, 2004, 12:14 AM
Yeah, glock tennifer would be the way to go. I bet if you wore a vest underneath the rig it would fit just right.

Mike

7.62FullMetalJacket
April 18, 2004, 12:23 AM
It pretty much is almost a vest. That whole picture is the rig. Notice that the gun is on the exterior panel which is attached by velcro to the inner panel. Not even I sweat enough to get the gun wet ;)

tech
April 18, 2004, 12:07 PM
If I could communicate I would be dangerous! What I really meant to say is if you put a ballistic vest on underneath it would probably fit more snugly. I figure they made them oversize to fit over a vest.

Mike

Zeke Menuar
April 18, 2004, 02:48 PM
Mosin-Nagant M44. You get extra exercise from lugging around the rifle while running. There is a handy bayonet for those pesky Rottweilers and a sling to put the gun over your shoulders when needed. You can always say you are training for a bit part in "Enemy at the Gates Part II, March to Berlin".

ZM

DigMe
April 18, 2004, 02:51 PM
Yikes...that setup is expensive. Looks like a great setup but I just can't imagine that someone couldn't make an equal quality setup for a much cheaper price.

brad cook

7.62FullMetalJacket
April 18, 2004, 03:15 PM
Business expense?

Amish_Bill
April 18, 2004, 09:20 PM
Business expense? Sew a cheap Uncle Mikes to a standard Home Depot back brace?

DigMe
April 19, 2004, 11:35 AM
Business expense?

I don't think my place of employment would accept that....seeing as I do social work in a middle school! :)

I wish!

brad cook

jeff quinn
April 19, 2004, 12:00 PM
The Kangaroo system is much more comfortable than a belly band, and stays in place while running. I tested the thing, and found that I was pleasantly surprised. More info here:

http://www.gunblast.com/Kangaroo.htm

DigMe
April 19, 2004, 03:47 PM
Jeff,

Thanks for the link. I was disappointed though to find that it cannot be concealed by a thong bikini. :(

That seems like a great option although it's not as nice as the shooting systems rig above (although it better NOT be as nice since it's 100 bucks less!). I like the shooting systems setup with the over-the-gut gun storage and the retention strap. I know you tested it jogging but does it shift at all with vigorous activity? What actually holds the gun in the holster? Does the actual holster part have some kind of elasticity? It just doesn't seem like it would be real secure jogging but if you say it is I believe you. One other factor is that it looks like it wouldn't have any kind of sweat repellent. Does it or will sweat go straight through to the gun? That's a pretty high sweat area of the body...at least for me it is.

brad cook

7.62FullMetalJacket
April 19, 2004, 04:37 PM
The retention area for the gun is like a wet suit, real stetchy and womb-like.

With the straps the 1911 did fine. While practicing the 1911 fell out, then I figured out the retention straps. Glock fits better, probably because it is a monolithic block rather then a high-speed, low-drag 1911. I believe the Glock would stay without the straps, but I am not going to try it.

Can't even tell small guns are even there. :uhoh:

The "back-brace" stype does limit motion. Stretch and then tighten the belt.

BowStreetRunner
April 22, 2004, 08:08 PM
im glad whoever started this thread did so because i think this is a really good question
i think my Mak is too heavy to carry jogging, and besides i run right after school and cant have protection there, but im still curious about the best way to carry a gun jogging
too bad i dont have a 3AT :)
BSR

DigMe
April 23, 2004, 01:20 AM
BowStreetRunner,

I agree. I've seen this question posed several times on other boards and I think this one too. However this particular thread has contained far more helpful and varied suggestions than any other I've seen. Valuable resource for joggers!

brad cook

Lancel
April 23, 2004, 03:24 AM
I used to carry either a J-frame in a Fist #1 kydex on a nylon "riggers" belt under my shorts/pants or a Seecamp in a first aid pouch hooked on my waistband. The first aid pouch looks harmless and works well but I'm less confident of the .32 ACP's effectiveness against critters.

Even with the kydex, I still got some spots on an aluminum alloy frame while running in summer Florida so now I carry a Glock 19 or something in stainless steel then wipe off immediately after running.

Again my usual carry is in kydex under my shorts on a riggers belt. I definitely don't wear anything that either collects sweat or doesn't hold the weapon securely. That rules out SmartCarry.

Regardless, I carry pepper spray and kubaton in left hand for immediate action. I run over suburbia, farmland, and woods and figure my most probable adversary will have four legs and be moving fast.

Larry

roscoe
April 24, 2004, 03:26 AM
I run with a P32 and just use the belt clip to attach it inside my jogging shorts. I just tie the drawstring tight and the gun sits pretty snug. I only go five miles or so at a time, but have never had any trouble with excessive bouncing. It sits at about 4:30-5:00 on my hip.

Tom C.
May 18, 2004, 04:16 PM
I am planning a cross country bike trip. In the past I have carried a Ruger 101 3" .357 and a Beretta 21 .22 in the panniers. I got a S&W Model 360 Kit Gun .357. Nice and light, but I am still ambivilant about how to carry it. I am also concerned about how to fly with it to the starting point. I will probably put it in the box with the bike, lock it in its container, and then mail the empty container home from the starting point.

XD40EZO
May 21, 2004, 04:31 PM
I jog with my "PITBULL"...that should be enough to protect me, oh wait...I don't own a Pitbull. What am I talking about, I don't even jog...although I need to.

All kidding a sided, believe it or not, I used to carry a full-size Beretta 96D while jogging or walking within the city or neigborhood. Carried a backpack, stuffed with a towel, so it doesnt move around.

Peace,