We all know Its so tough to get bullets these days . I just acquired a X Frame S&W 460. I found some Hornady 200gr XTP bullet one box on the shelf. Picture on Box showed a crimping groove ? But there isn't one on the bullets !!!! I'm wondering if I can either seat bullet deep and crimp on the radius of the bullet ? or just try and crimp with out distorting the case ?
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July 30, 2013, 12:19 AM
I don't load for the big revolvers, so I don't know if they absolutely require bullets with cannelures, but:
Do NOT just go and "seat bullets deep." Bullet seating depth is a variable every bit as important as powder charge when it comes to not blowing off your fingers.
July 30, 2013, 01:58 AM
What is the Hornady part number? Some have a groove some do not. Might not be the correct bullet for your 460?
July 30, 2013, 02:35 AM
Is the part number 45140? Those are .451" diameter and intended for .45acp. Hornady doesn't make a 200gr XTP that's suitable for .460. You should look into one of these http://m.hornady.com/store/.452-45-CAL/, specifically the ones that say .460 or MAG, the others on that page are designed for .45LC velocities.
July 30, 2013, 02:38 AM
Most revolvers require bullets with a crimp groove so you can secure the bullet well so it doesn't pull. The heavier the recoil the more it's required and the 460 Magnum is at the top of the food-chain when it comes to recoil. I WOULD NOT load that bullet for the 460 Magnum. Remember, not all .451" or .452" bullets are suitable for loading in the .45 S&W, .45 Colt, 454 Casull and the .460 S&W Magnum. (yes I know the older .45 Colt guns shoot a .454" bullet) Not all those bullets will hold up to the pressures and velocities generated by the .460 Magnum so be careful what you load. Hornady makes XTP bullets and XTP MAG bullets, the Mag bullets are meant for loading in the 460 Magnum, not the others. Most 45 Caliber bullets without a crimp groove are meant for semi-autos, the .45 ACP.
As a side note, a 200gr bullet is on the very light side for the 454 Casull or 460 Magnum. Most loads will start with a 240gr bullet and up. Hodgdon does not supply data for 200gr bullets in the 454 Casull and only 1 200gr Barnes bullet in the .460 Magnum. Alliant starts their 454 Casull and 460 Magnum load data with 250gr bullets. Accurate's data starts with 240gr bullets except for that same 200gr Barnes hunting bullet in the 460 Magnum. I have a very strong feeling you are trying to load a bullet meant for low pressure .45 ACP in the .460 Magnum. Not a good idea at all...
July 30, 2013, 06:27 PM
Wrong bullets. And if you try to use them without a canelure to roll crimp into, you will most certainly experience bullets jumping completely out of the case mouths before they rotate into battery, or worse.
July 30, 2013, 06:54 PM
I have some .451'' 230gr XTP-HPs intended for .45ACP that I load for my 5'' Government. They have no cannelure either, but the bullet in the picture on the box does.
Me thinks you need to do some more research on reloading for the .460. Had you done your homework you would know the only appropriate 200 gr bullet Hornady makes for the .460 is their .452 FTX. As others have said, bullets intended for .45 Colt are not appropriate for full house .460 loads, much less bullets intended for .45ACP pressures and velocities. Thin jacketed bullets will cause excessive top strap and forcing cone erosion when used in the .460 @ .460 pressure and velocities. Use the bullets in reduced loads at the velocities they were intended for and they will be fine. Even those 200 grainers without a cannelure will work if you keep velocity down to 900 FPS. About the only way to do that in a case as big as the .460 would be with trail boss. 80% of case capacity would be my guess. Other than that, unless you shoot .45ACP, you're SOL.
July 30, 2013, 09:50 PM
As others have said - you got the wrong bullets for your application.
I hope you also have a 1911 - or know of a reloader who does.
Please stay safe
July 31, 2013, 09:04 PM
I'm not sure what I can add to the thread without sounding overly redundant at this point. Everybody else is on the mark - get cannelured bullets for that big X-frame.
If you really want to shoot light(er) jacketed bullets, try the 240g XTP-MAG. Swift makes a mid-weight 265g A-Frame, but they're certainly not cheap. The 325g Swift's do seem to work pretty well for me. But, since they're sooooooo expensive, I prefer the 300g XTP-MAG's or 300g Deep Curl's for regular 'hot load" practice and save the Swift's for when I'm actually in bear country.
And, you should be OK shooting non-magnum rated bullets, as long as you keep the velocities out of the magnum range. I have some regular 250g (cannelured) XTP's that I drive with Trail Boss or otherwise down load to 45LC velocities for general plinking fun. Yeah, that's right... plinking with a 4-pound hand cannon. What could be more fun than that?
July 31, 2013, 09:45 PM
i own and load for a 44 magnum, and those HAVE to be crimped into place to stay where they belong. if you load them and try to shoot a cylinder full, you will not get more than 2 shots off before the cylinder refuses to rotate. trying to crimp without a canalure is not going to work either. you could load, and shoot them without a crimp, providing that you only load one cartridge at a time. it would be a pain, but at least you could shoot. i certainly would not want to hunt that way, but a trip to the range would work. there is one other potential problem. the 460 uses fairly slow powder, and you may not get good or complete burning of the powder without a good crimp.
August 1, 2013, 10:20 AM
I have a tool that puts a cannelure anywhere you want, it's a CH4D.
Mine was given to me and it does work but once you do 100 bullets, you will never again buy the wrong ones.
August 1, 2013, 11:29 AM
Just to clear up some confusion, Hornady XTP w\o a cannelure are sized .451. Those sized .452 DO have a cannelure regardless of the picture on the box
August 1, 2013, 01:07 PM
"...no cannelure either..." Not needed for taper crimping.
August 1, 2013, 06:19 PM
Nobody should be taper crimping a 460 S&W. Nice solid roll crimp is necessary.