Injuries... how have they changed your life with firearms?


July 29, 2013, 10:25 PM
So this past Wednesday I had an incident that has first of all changed my daily life, and second opened my eyes at almost fifty that we must take care as we age.

I was doing some remodel and moving a gun safe when it lost balance on us and I caught it as it was tipping over...... bad idea! !! :banghead:

Torn bicep on dominant arm, tricep damage and possible tendon.... MRI could be soon, but hopefully it is not the tendon. A few days immobile and meds for muscle repair...:(

This has been a huge hurdle.... carry gun went from XDs45 to my Ruger SR22... practiced left hand shooting... slide release a bit of challenge, but getting pretty good left handed. Loading magazine's is pretty easy, still have use of fingers, just has to stay in a sling.

I'm sure there is a lot us that had to deal with injuries... a real eye opener to say the least!

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fallout mike
July 29, 2013, 10:35 PM
I have responded to a couple of these. I had a fall 22 months ago. 2 weeks ago it became official that the condition of my right (dominant) arm is permanent. No other specialist can help. My arm will not bend enough to reach the trigger on long guns. I have developed my own way of shooting off a rest. I've become quite proficient doing so. I have to shoot handguns one handed now. My arm is pretty much useless. I get irritated when people with no physical limitations tell me "it could have been worse". Maybe, but my life is forever changed. I cant even touch my face right handed.

July 29, 2013, 10:40 PM
About a year ago I injured my shoulder at work, I used to be able to shoot any rifle you put in front of me with no pain or flinch. Now I can't shoulder anything over 308 . I am barely able to start pulling my 60 pound bow back and deer season is coming up in 2 months over here.

I've been saving up for a while because I've always wanted to get it 338 Lapua. And now that I have the money for it, buying it would be a waste because I would never be able to shoot it now .

July 29, 2013, 10:43 PM
Due to a rollover accident in Afghanistan that broke my back in six places, my neck and back pain now make it so I cannot shoot rifles in the prone' and pistol shooting for long durations hurts due to hunching over. Also I can't hold a pistol as steady so I don't shoot as accurately anymore. So my pistol shooting is almost entirely oriented to combat scenario, and I spend most of my time at the range instructing my wife and sister in the application of fires at close range under duress.

July 29, 2013, 10:49 PM
Hate that Mike... in ten days they will know if I have to have surgery.

Getting older has its own obstacles without injury. I'm glad you overcome and gained a new shooting style. I love firearms and shooting sports and hunting, that was my first thought when it happened ... oh no I hurt my dominant arm! After leaving hospital I was trying to pick up my 1911.... could not do it!

It will teach me dexterity with my left hand, and I have decided that I am going to keep using my left on a regular basis.

Hope you learn more techniques to help out, and again hate you lost most of your use in that arm. Hopefully new technology will arrive to help you.

Cee Zee
July 29, 2013, 10:50 PM
I know what you mean about the people who always want to tell you it could have been worse mike. I've struggled with having to hear that for a lot of years. The fact that something could have been worse doesn't make me feel better at all. It just makes me think things probably will get worse. In my case it's a given in fact so it bugs me big time when people remind me of that.

July 29, 2013, 11:00 PM
Once you suffer nerve damage and muscle and tendon tears, it's pretty much going to limit you shooting. I have a degenerative condition for 30 yrs that can never get better. You just do the best you can with what you have. I can't shoot for accuracy at long distances anymore, but can still enjoy shooting.
As we age things happen that change our lives, usually if you are lucky enough to be healthy, you won't experience this until you hit 60 or 70 yrs old, but if you have what many of us have it happens earlier in life. It's just art of life. No one knows what is around the corner.

fallout mike
July 29, 2013, 11:01 PM
I just turned 35 yesterday so God willing I've got lots of time to learn new shooting techniques. Bc I really suck shooting handguns one handed weak handed.

July 29, 2013, 11:03 PM
When I was 12, I broke my right arm, ulna and radius, an inch or two from my wrist. After it healed, I no longer had full rotation of my forearm. If I rotate my hands palm-up, my left hand goes flat with the thumb out. My right hand is about 30* short of flat.

The way that has affected me is that it makes it hard to shoot straight-stocked rifles and shotguns. The weird part is that the majority of my guns are mosins.... complete with straight stocks. :) My brother (an MD and a former physical therapist) has worked with me a little to try to loosen it up, but that isn't doing much.

Other than that, a poorly timed knee injury knocked me out of a deer hunt about 10 years ago.


July 29, 2013, 11:24 PM
Suggestion, you may want to look into registering a short barrel rifle, it would replace your missing point of contact.

July 29, 2013, 11:58 PM
I'm 21 and have my fair share of "idiot marks". The day before opening day of deer season I cut my hand and had to get 9 stitches on my pinky/palm. Holding a rifle was difficult to say the least but i managed. Thankfully we had enough help to drag a 8pt buck out of a creek.
The only injury that cut into shooting however was a torn meniscus in my left knee. Shooting kneeling in 3-P rifle was impossible for a while so I had to shoot standing but currently I'm able bodied aside from being out of shape.


hariph creek
July 30, 2013, 12:00 AM
Shoulder injuries, carpal tunnel in both hands, and arterial sclerosis, arthritis, tendonitis, bursitis, etc...well...all over.
Don't even get get me started on my knees and feet.
I used to love my .454. Now a full size .357 is my limit. And NO magnum rifles. Might give up on 12Ga, too?

Ironically, I had LASIC done about seven years ago. I went from barely correctable, legal to drive. To solid 20/15. My accuracy has increased tremendously!

July 30, 2013, 12:03 AM
Breaking my left collarbone was a shock to my shooting sports. Took a lot of doing P/T to get my strength and range of motion back. I still find push ups difficult.

July 30, 2013, 12:09 AM
I ruptured two disks in my back and fractured a vertebrae. Until then I carried a full sized Sig P220r IWB. After this even my wallet can cause back pain if I sit on it wrong. I need up going to a P229R. While I know the difference is minute, every little bit helps and the shorter barrel doesn't dig in as bad.

Gaucho Gringo
July 30, 2013, 12:51 AM
I have had cerebral palsy since birth in 1951. It is not as severe as some cases but makes it effects known to me and others. I have been able, thank God to live a fairly normal life, been married now for over 30 yrs and have two children and two grandchildren. I have been blessed to have had many people along the way who believed in me and gave me a chance to prove myself. I worked in restaurants as a teen to early 20's, factory work for 14 yrs. then on to construction until age 49 when my body finally gave out. I have been on SS disability since. My father started me shooting when I was around 7 and I have shot a lot of different rifles and handgun over the years. I mainly shoot handguns nowadays although I do shoot my 22 rifles when I feel up to it. My neck has severe degenerative arthritis and every other problem known to medicine and my left wrist has now developed inflammatory erosive osteoarthritis in which is has swelled 3 times it's normal size and is very painful. I am determined not to let my problems prevent me from shooting but some changes are necessary. I can still shoot .22 rifles but have been looking at buying a M1 carbine for a larger caliber without a lot of recoil. Also looking at 20 ga shotgun for the same reasons. It is kind of hard to describe my shooting holds and stances because I have developed what works for me over the years and it is definitely not what is taught but I can hit what I am aiming at. When I was working construction my boss told me he cringed the first time he saw me work but he said later that I could keep up or beat any man he had working for him. I guess what I am saying is that if you can hit what you are aiming at, it doesn't matter how unconventional the way, it is the results that count. Experiment around with various techniques and weapons. Don't be afraid to think outside the box. The end result is to hit the target no matter how you do it, that is all that really counts.

July 30, 2013, 12:56 AM
I have some damaged lumbar discs which make it real difficult to run, jog, or bend over. Running shooting drills with my buddy the other day, I felt twice as old as my 30 years. I don't have any trouble shooting, it's just any associated physical activity that causes problems.

Sorry to hear about your arm troubles, hope everything works out.

July 30, 2013, 01:50 AM
I'm about to have my 4th knee surgery and I'm only 35. I can't run, jump, stand for too long, or walk very well on uneven ground without hurting. The pain and weakness/locking causes me to reload more and shoot less. But hey, at least I got out the army with all limbs intact.

July 30, 2013, 07:43 AM
Motorcycle wreck 10 years ago mucked up my shoulder, busted scapula, busted ribs, damaged rotator cuff. Lots of PT got my range of motion back still can't sleep on that side long. Even a few quick rounds of 2 3/4 12g buckshot or slugs makes my eyes water but I still shoot it some.

So I discovered ARs.....

July 30, 2013, 07:46 AM
Central Retnal Vein Occlusion. Sometimes I have to give a couple extral blinks when doing "precision" shooting.... doesnt impact game or handgun but when looking through a scope I notice it.

July 30, 2013, 10:18 AM
When I was 15 (I'm now 56) I broke the scaphoid (pivot bone) of my wrist. It subsequently died and after too many operations (the short story, long is tedious) I have ended up with 1/2 the bones of my wrist removed, a hand that is slightly offset, 1/3 the movement and now bone on bone. The other hand got hurt by a horse is all we can figure, I had the same procedure done to it, ie: a proximal row carpectomy, the Dr's remove 1 of the rows of wrist bones and do some shifting and get it to work as good as possible.

So I can't shoot straight stocked long arms nor hard recoiling handguns, or handguns that roll up, like a SAA. Or pick up a dime from the floor etc and live in constant, high level pain

I also wear external braces on my ankles part time (another boring story)

BUT like all of you above, I still do what I can, when I can. If I quit, my hands will stiffen up worse than they are and I have worked out ways to support my ankles inside of boots so I can walk in the woods.

Here in northeast Ohio we are fortunate that we have some really really good orthopedic specialists, clinics and dedicated facilities.

The Crystal Clinic in Fairlawn Oh is one. Of course the Cleveland Clinic, Lutheran Hospital in Cleveland and University Hospital in Cleveland are equally as good.

If you have a serious injury, don't just listen to the local orthopedic doctor. Take the time to search out and deal with specialists. It will pay off for you in the long run.

The original Dr that treated me wanted to fuse my wrist when I was 17. He was not a bad Dr, just not a specialist in treating difficult situations.

I have been dealing with Drs for 40 years now whose specialty is the area of injury. If a Dr is so dedicated that he/she only deals with hands/wrists or elbows, shoulders, knees etc you will know that they have educated themselves to such a high degree that their techniques are way above the generalist.

Sorry for the book, but I wanted to impress upon you to take the time for a second opinion, to seek out and deal with a specialist, it only affects the rest of your life you know.............

fallout mike
July 30, 2013, 10:49 AM
I've tried to see 13 other specialists. After reviewing my records and xrays they won't see me. They say nothing they can do. When I fell my ulna went through my elbow socket shattering every single thing that makes your elbow work.

July 30, 2013, 10:50 AM
Injuries... how have they changed your life with firearms?

Feet injured decades ago in three different motorcycle accidents.
I find that, as I age (60), I cannot run away as fast as I once could. :D


July 30, 2013, 10:57 AM
Dominant shoulder shoulder, bilateral CPS, degenerative retinopathy, etc.
Gave up shooting a 12 ga and must use red dot sights on all handguns.
Sporting clays is more frustrating and less fun.
But I due manage to fill my limit of pheasants!

July 30, 2013, 11:05 AM
I've tried to see 13 other specialists. After reviewing my records and xrays they won't see me. They say nothing they can do. When I fell my ulna went through my elbow socket shattering every single thing that makes your elbow work.

Have any of them suggested an artificial elbow joint ? Lots of the bigger med centers are now doing those.

If they themselves don't do the procedure, there is nothing "they" can do. That was the situation with me and the original dr. There was nothing "he" could do. Even my current hand dr that I have been seeing for over 20 yrs doesn't do artificial wrists and he is one of the best in the country. He referred me to "the best" in Ohio. It turned out that I had too much damage (which is always the possibility) but it was worth the trip.

Also there are new devices/techniques being perfected everyday. So don't let them do anything that is permanent. Fusing my wrist(s) would be permanent, so I put up with.

July 30, 2013, 11:11 AM
Lost my right leg because of my military service, and because I like to bird hunt, it put a cramp in my style for a time. I learned old guys like old dogs...we might take a bit getting there but we can still get the job done

fallout mike
July 30, 2013, 11:16 AM
They have not perfected artificial elbow joints at this time. After getting one you still have limited movement.

July 30, 2013, 11:39 AM
It is just like wrists, however they are getting better each day.

July 30, 2013, 11:46 AM
Lost my right leg because of my military service, and because I like to bird hunt, it put a cramp in my style for a time. I learned old guys like old dogs...we might take a bit getting there but we can still get the job done
Thanks Delmar.

July 30, 2013, 12:14 PM
My left shoulder gives me some pain at times after it got bruised up by the seat belt in a vehicle accident a few years ago.

Shooting a pump shotgun actually makes it feel better :).

Just my .02,

July 30, 2013, 12:15 PM
Ran my main hand through a roller-press back in '96, split the finger bones lengthwise, exploded my middle and ring finger's soft tissues like grapes under a hammer. stopped at the heavy silver ring I wore, or it would have gone to the wrist. nothing Docs could do but push it back together and immobilize.

My Off Hand is on a shoulder socket that was only held on by 2 cm of tissue for about 9 years (92-01) Nothing showed on X-rays, people thought I was just a whiner because my arm would fall out of the socket by 6 inches and bounce back up a few times a day, and as I "looked fine" externally.... "Why the heck are you making that annoying noise" was about the height of concern from others.

I found out the year a doctor went in to tighten the socket (in what was supposed to be a minor scope-job). Nothing on MRI, but they were horrified to find out what was really wrong with me Mid surgery, especially after a year of HARD pre-surgery Physical therapy had shredded what was left. took them 4 hours to reset the OR with me under general anesthesia, to open me like a holiday turkey and pin what was left together.

Educate yourself, be your own advocate, know the risks, don't completely ignore the pain, and be selfish. It's your body and there is no Manufacturer's Warranty.

If I had the temerity when I was younger to tell the doctors to "stuff it! something's terribly wrong in there!!" I'd still be able to properly shoulder a rifle. Just can't extend the forward arm for more than a few seconds.

Watch out for the pain meds though, the rare times I've been on them, I've always found it better to take only the edge off, as reducing your discomfort chemically also reduces your resistance to real pain when it does come. I also get sick as a dog with opiates in my system, call that added incentive to avoid them in my case.

Keep practicing with your off hand though even when the arm heals. You never know what life may bring.

July 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
You would think that after all these years they could fix a disk properly, but it's hit and miss, and after a decade it stresses the ones above and below. I have had laminectomy surgery at NY Hospital, "for special surgery" , and they gave me another 10 pain free yrs, but in 1999, it came roaring back with herniated disks on all 3 levels, so it is impossible "according to every doctor I have seen", to fix all 3. All they can do is use shots and epidurals, 'which really do nothing". Most folks who opt for the titanium rods and screws, end up with more problems than they first had, and about 80% have to remove them at some point.
I use inversion, braces, and exercise to help combat the pain, but when holding a pistol, my hand sometimes shakes. It can vary from nothing, to enough to make shooting for accuracy impossible.

fallout mike
July 30, 2013, 01:13 PM
+1 on the pain med statement. I have constant pain. The last meds I was on was a strong dose of Fentanyl via a patch. After 6 months of being on that one I decided NO MORE. I quit cold turkey. I went through a difficult 3 week stretch. PT was really rough taking nothing. But I never asked my therapist where I was again .

July 30, 2013, 01:30 PM
I just turned 35 yesterday so God willing I've got lots of time to learn new shooting techniques. Bc I really suck shooting handguns one handed weak handed.

With the greatest heart and humility, I'll say you have it within you to be the greatest single-hand shooter you've ever seen. It's going to be hard. But it's yours if you want it.

July 30, 2013, 02:01 PM
I was on neurontin for a while. Neurontin was originally designed to treat epileptic seizures, then it was discovered that it worked for the pain of shingles and then for long term pain.

It actually works well, is a non-narcotic, nor is it a drug that can cause folks to lift their eye-brows that you take. Very low doses of first gen anti-depressants work for long term pain, just like they help a person quit smoking. Lyrica also can help control pain.

I don't use any narcotic for long term pain control for a couple reasons. Mainly I don't want anyone to say anything since I have my toys, also I have allergies to the synthetics and I am afraid that I will run out of stuff for them to use when the next surgery comes. I have had so many surgeries and a peculiar quirk of anatomy that a lot of the anesthesia drugs don't work. 4 times they didn't with 2 of them having me tell them I was feeling it on the table.

fallout mike
July 30, 2013, 02:05 PM
thanks Sam, I've been working on it

July 30, 2013, 06:13 PM
I tried Neurontin about 15 yrs ago, and it did nothing for me., those Fentanyl patches are terrible, also, if you are in a tropical climate and have hair on your body, they are just a nightmare also you aren't supposed to get them wet, try that in FL. It's all the same with pain meds, they work in the beginning, and after a few months they stop working plus they are socially taboo, aside from causing other health problems. The only way to use them is when you have no other choice. There is a topical pain killer that is not a narcotic, it is "lidocaine patch", like the dentist uses, when he is going to numb you for a shot. They have a high co-pay, but if you contact your insurance company, you can get them for free. They just numb the area that you put them on.
They are the best thing I have found, "and by accident", while talking to my doctor he mentioned them, gave me a sample, then wrote me a prescription, but they were about 10 dollars each. I found a place that pays for them for $20 dollars a month, they will also pay for any other medications you take , even diabetic supply's, BP medication etc, it's called Prescription Hope, and is worth looking into if you are getting hit with copays that are off the wall.
Feel free to use them as all they require is your doctors prescription and a letter from him, if it helps one person it's worth it. It's bad enough to have a problem without worrying about paying half your income on co-pays.

fallout mike
July 30, 2013, 07:47 PM
If you sweat a lot with the fentanyl patch that can also cause you to od on it.

July 31, 2013, 07:40 AM
I tried Neurontin about 15 yrs ago, and it did nothing for me
Yup...same did nothing at all for me.

July 31, 2013, 08:01 AM
Well I'm already plotting my path to continue shooting. A chair for the trap range and switching to benchrest from pistol. Going more indoor for pistol as I can sit in my walker to shoot and push buttons to move the target. Its not as much fun as shooting outdoors and shooting USPSA but I'm still going to the range and that's what counts.

July 31, 2013, 08:16 AM
My back goes out about every 3 months and my right ankle has 80% of the cartlige gone and I have ostro arthritis in both feet. Some days I feel and get around great and others I am using a cane. After reading this tread I know I am not alone.

My issues come from car wreak in 06 and 30+ years of running to keep in shape plus HS football and playing basketball till I was 32 when I blew out my right ankle.

Cee Zee
July 31, 2013, 02:54 PM
Neurontin dang near killed me. I took one and my heart basically started beating about 5 times a minute for about 20 minutes. I laid on the floor and couldn't get my head up. My wife thought I was asleep so she didn't call 911. I came through it though but never again.

Fentanyl patches are something that can give you a 3 day dose in about an hour. My friend was on that stuff for a long time and it was stoned out for a few hours then nothing for a few days until the next patch. I wouldn't take that for any reason.

There are some people who need pain killers (the real stuff) but the government is cracking down because of the pill mill operations in Kentucky and Ohio and especially Florida. Too many kids have died because doctors wrote scripts for any wannabe junkie that came in their office. As a result people really need the stuff can't get it.

BTW I got cartilage damage in both knees when I was 12 and had juvenile arthritis. I also was in a car wreck that banged up my knees even worse. Now they are pure osteoarthritis where it isn't just bone on bone. I broke my ankle twice and didn't even know I had done it the first time until an x-ray the second time showed it. I also broke 8 fingers playing football in school not to mention getting a bruised kidney which never really heals right. I was in a car that rammed a telephone pole (about 30" thick) which nearly threw me through a windshield but just hurt my neck instead. I have a neck injury, a back injury from a job I had, fibromyalgia, trigeminal neuralgia ( (the most painful condition known to man - also known as the "suicide disease"), carpal tunnel in both hands, rheumatoid arthitis,and nerve damage in the front of my stomach (which travels down the leg) from a surgery I had for cancer. I had stage 3 cancer at one time (in the ureter and had spread to my surrounding lymph nodes) for which they gave me massive doses of chemo (because I basically had zero chance of living) added onto the massive chemical exposure I got from working in a toxic waste dump (didn't know that's what it was at the time of course). That chemical damage caused me all sorts of problems like muscle spasms, convulsions, etc. etc..

I don't mean to be just complaining here. I just wanted people to know they can survive a lot and they can come back to have a decent life for a while at least. When you get older it might catch up with you again but for a long time it's possible to go right on with things. My doctor called me a medical marvel for having so many things go wrong and living through it.

It's gotten to the point that I can't walk more than about 30 yards at a time without stopping to ease the pain in my back. I've been trapped being too far away from my car where it took me hours to get back because I plain couldn't walk.

But even with all this I managed to block out most of the pain for a long time. I rode centuries (100 mile rides) on my bike while I had these things. I got where I could climb hills all day long and I'm talking straight up and straight down almost. And I learned to improve my shooting from a bench a great deal by nothing but practice and lots of it. I have to admit that my problems have pretty much overtaken me now but I fought it long and hard. It's not that I have some special courage or anything. In fact it's more a fear of never being able to do anything that drove me to do things anyway despite the pain.

And of course it's always possible to be even worse off than I am. And my luck I will learn just how. :)

fallout mike
July 31, 2013, 03:21 PM
I was on fentanyl patches for 6-8 months. Day 2 was the strongest for me. Sounds like your friend did not have a good seal. I would add tape over mine bc if air can get in it doesn't really work.

fallout mike
July 31, 2013, 03:25 PM
Trust me, if you have it on right you are stoned 24/7.

July 31, 2013, 03:35 PM
Cee Zee, It's all good and It's not complaining. There is a vast difference between a discussion about human endurance, and "oh poor me".

Many of us would drag ourselves along by our lips rather than go to a doctor and admit we broke our feet. (and end up making it worse in the process)

My Pop's arm pain turned out to be Multiple Myeloma, right after beating Prostate cancer, and he's 7 years into a 20-month prognosis. (Thank you OHSU, Kaiser, and Thalidomide)

We still get out shooting whenever the ammo presents itself, and he still works the Nagant, the Argentine Mauser, and the Arisaka through the fibromyagia.

July 31, 2013, 03:44 PM
Its not so much of an injury as it is a condition. I was diagnosed with stage 3 cance just before newyears eve and started chemo shortly thereafter. I found out the hardway that i do not withstand repeated heavy recoil from my deer rifle or my bigger varmint rifle ( a 30.06 and 243 respectively) Things have improved a little but not back to normal yet.

July 31, 2013, 04:26 PM
Arthritis means the big Magnums I love aren't any fun to shoot any more. I've stepped down to less-powerful calibers or handloads, and most of my rifles are going to eventually wind up wearing fancy recoil pads. Not much I can do about the pistols, though.

Cee Zee
July 31, 2013, 04:28 PM
I was weak as water in the middle of my chemo treatments limpingbear. It can get better. I couldn't walk 100 yards to save my life in those days but after I was done with the treatments I got on a bike and started out riding about 100 yards at a time. I built up to riding 100 miles at a time because I wanted my strength back. Don't get discouraged friend. You can do it.

As for fentanyl my friend didn't really have the problem as much as some do. They have talked about pulling it off the market because of that problem. That's what my friend said anyway. I'm no expert. I think his doctor told him that and switched him to something else.

I've already gone with recoil pads on my 12 ga. shotguns and my 30.06. And that's as high as I go. I really don't have a need for anything bigger anyway but just shooting the 30.06 25 times or so will cause problems with my neck.

July 31, 2013, 05:24 PM
All I can say, guys, is, keep moving! Literally, recognize the fine line between exercising the injured parts and reinjuring them, and keep your activities as close to that as possible.

I'm not a doctor or a therapist, but as someone who has sustained some fairly serious injuries and will sustain more in my chosen occupation, I have learned that the only way to maintain mobility is to work at it, and work through the pain. It is natural to favor an injured body part in order to minimize pain, but you have to fight this. You have to learn your body, and learn how far you can push it without doing more damage. If you don't, muscles will weaken, joints and ligaments will deteriorate and tendons will shorten. This is especially true of injured parts; My wife had a serious necrotizing infection in here wrist, required surgical debridement. She was a weenie about moving it because it hurt, and that favoring caused her tendons to shorten during the healing process. Fast forward almost three years, she has virtually no flexion in that wrist. Meanwhile, this time last year, I had a bout of septic bursitis in my right knee, which also required an incision and debridement, as well as keeping the wound open for several weeks. It hurt like hell to walk on it, but I knew what would happen if I didn't keep it in motion. Today, I have full range of motion and, other than some discomfort from the bursa sack never really returning to normal, I have no restricted motion or pain issues. Two years earlier, I seriously injured my right shoulder at the gym. Same deal; I paid careful attention to what my body was telling me, and made sure that I did everything I could with that arm just short of the excruciating pain that indicated I was causing more damage. Took about a year and a half, but again, I now have full motion and very little pain. Many other similar stories checker my past, including car and motorcycle accidents.

And no, I'm not that young. Almost 32 now.

Obviously there are some injuries from which one can never 100% recover, but it is amazing how many people suffer from chronic pain and reduced mobility when they could have avoided it (partially or completely) by properly exercising.

So, don't ignore your doctors completely, but listen to your own body more. Grit your teeth and push it to the very limits; just don't go past them. You'll be glad you did later.

July 31, 2013, 05:49 PM
I got a hernia packing a deer out, went to the Dr. who argued that it wasn't a hernia, but rather a tumor on a an inguinal nerve. Having had a total of 3 previous floor hernia's, I told him I was certain it was simply another hernia in the floor. So when he presented me with the surgery paper work authorizing the procedure, he wrote it up that if I in fact I had a hernia, he wouldn't do a nerve exploration. According to the medical records and his verbal confirmation, he found the hernia in the floor, repaired it, and then went on to explore the nerves in the inguinal region, up the left side of my penis, and in my left testicle, and re-do a 20 yr. old vasectomy.

All said and done, I spent the next 7 yrs. in a wheel chair, my wife and I have absolutely zero love life, if you know what I mean, and I had to give up my stellar career, and I'm now permanently disabled and barely able to walk.

When the attorney's got their medical experts involved they discovered he had altered the records. So the end result was a law suit and my life as I knew it has been pretty much destroyed. I had a total of 5 surgical procedures over the course of 2 yrs. to try and repair some of the damage, including the femoral artery that was tangled in a mass of sutures, that almost cost me my life. I now have no feeling in a wide spread region that involved the two primary inguinal nerve groups he played with, and severe pain in the areas I do have feeling. I don't blame the hunt or me packing the animal out, but I do blame an irresponsible physician 100%.

But at least I can still reload and shoot, and even hunt, as long as I have someone with me to take care of the physical work.


July 31, 2013, 07:26 PM
I adjusted my stance after I blew out my knee (snapped my ACL in half) to the point where I favor a leg when shooting.

Delmar - thanks for your service. MUCH respect. What birds do you hunt? We do a lot of snipe & quail here in FL. I miss pheasants.

July 31, 2013, 07:41 PM
A light stroke a couple months ago has left me with double vision. It screwed up the muscles that move my right eye. I've taped over the right lens of my glasses as a temporary measure. I can shoot handguns ok crosseyed but long guns are impossible. Also left handed is out of the question because I have no left wrist. It's been immobilized with a steel plate. Guess my long guns are on vacation.

July 31, 2013, 07:45 PM
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it will get better with time. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

July 31, 2013, 08:05 PM
Dead scaphoid bole in my wrist. Can't handle anything with more pop than a 9MM any more.
But 9's are working just fine, I have gotten rid of a lot of stuff I wasn't using anyhow, and with that money I have been collecting some very nice 9's. (Sig 226, Springfield EMP and Sig P938 are my favorites thus far, Kimber Solo was my most abysmal failure)

July 31, 2013, 08:13 PM
We are the broken gang! Well I would be remiss if I didn't add my injuries to the fray! Handgrenade to right dorsal aspect, broken one of every bone in motorcycle accidents (hit twice by cars), chainsaw to right thumb, machette to left forearm, .22 to right shoulder, and the grand daddy of all a ricochette to C3-C4. That one still gives me a pain in the neck!

July 31, 2013, 08:31 PM
Blew out my wrist fighting off a very mad mentally retarded fella. Got a couple knuckles blown too. Not much to be done and I've still got use of the hand just nothing extreme. A couple years back shooting my 9mm and j-frames got too painful. Pisses me off, sure, but life's tough; wear a helmet and carry a spare.

Besides I'm still shooting rimfires.;)

July 31, 2013, 08:43 PM
I like all the response to the thread.... we will plug along improvise and endure!

Pockets.... +10 on positive attitude, that is what sets you apart!

DelMAr .... Thanks For Your Service! Where there is a will there is a way!

fallout .... keep on keeping on!

MachIVShooter.... All I can say, guys, is, keep moving! Literally, recognize the fine line between exercising the injured parts and re-injuring them, and keep your activities as close to that as possible.

Well Put! The stubbornness of man and not listening to the Dr. usually causes us more trouble.... that was me until past Monday... now in a sling for ten days or risk loss of strength that can possibly not be repaired!

Doc2m ... I will assume you also deserve Thanks For Your Service! HG Injuries are not to common otherwise! Thanks!

DNS .... Yes Rimfires are our friends! which added insult to injury because I had just purchased me a new Sig Sauer 1911-22 the week before my injury... but I have been able to shoot it a little left handed.

Sam Cade
July 31, 2013, 09:24 PM
I had my right eye stabbed out.

Had to learn to shoot longarms lefty.

It was, as they say, a bummer..

July 31, 2013, 09:40 PM
lost three fingers on my left hand when I was 18 [now 65] has never stopped me from shooting anything but a bow...still work [2] full time jobs ..hang in there you ain't broke yet...

July 31, 2013, 11:06 PM
And some politicians who never worked a day in their life, think that we would give them our guns.

July 31, 2013, 11:21 PM
We are the broken gang! Well I would be remiss if I didn't add my injuries to the fray! Handgrenade to right dorsal aspect, broken one of every bone in motorcycle accidents (hit twice by cars), chainsaw to right thumb, machette to left forearm, .22 to right shoulder, and the grand daddy of all a ricochette to C3-C4. That one still gives me a pain in the neck!

If I had your luck, I'd be walking around in custom medieval-style full titanium armor. Sounds like you'd be pretty easy to locate in any given city if one just hangs around the E.R. long enough!

Cee Zee
August 1, 2013, 03:07 AM
I got a hernia packing a deer out, went to the Dr. who argued that it wasn't a hernia, but rather a tumor on a an inguinal nerve.

That sounds like some of the doctors I've encountered. Went into the ER one night sick as a dog with stomach pains. My doctor came in and I heard them announce her welcome to the staff while she was in my room. OK, brand new doc - here I go. Eventually she told me I was "constipated". The next morning I couldn't take a leak. I had a kidney stone that completely blocked my ureter and since I only have one kidney that was pretty serious. I could have died pretty quick if I hadn't got a better doc when I went back telling them I couldn't go. It was pretty obvious by then though. It took them an hour or so to fix me up and I'm as good as new until my next stone. I bet the doc got paid for seeing me too. :rolleyes:

August 1, 2013, 03:48 AM
Riding my motorcyle t-boned by semi.Lost right leg & smashed right arm.Im right hand normally.So i had to learn to shoot off hand.So a lesson to all shooters.Practice off hand a 1/3 of the time.Im glad i did,if i hadnt id be lost now.And u just never know,be prepared too over come

August 1, 2013, 10:10 AM
A guy I know accidentally shot his own arm completely off, id say that changed his life.
August 1, 2013, 04:52 PM
Cornea transplant, due to a terrible eye infection, luckily in my non shooting eye, but it still bothers me, makes me light sensitive.

I have to use special eye drops to help fight rejection and they speed up the formation of cataracts.

I'm just lucky I still have my vision I use veridian green lasers on my pistols, help a bunch I shoot a LOT and my shooting is almost instinctual now so I get by.

August 1, 2013, 08:19 PM
Fell, two years ago while trying to drag a buck I had shot. He was supposed to go straight down, double lung hit with a .308. Ya right> Instead he ran about fifty yards and expired and fell down a super steep drainage coming off the mountain I was on. I was by myself, but I have done this drill many times before, no problem. Well, it started raining hard. My plan was to tie the buck off and inch him back across the rim of this near cliff. I was telling myself go slow and be careful. As I was pulling this buck to my next tie off tree, the spot where I was standing, which felt stable I might add, gave way and I did a jujitsu hit on my shoulder. This blew out my rotator cuff. This also disabled my strong hand to let go of the rope I had. The deer went down the cliff and I went with him about 75 to 100 feet. Stopping against a big rock in the drainage, which was now engulfed in raging water. Somehow I didn't get impaled with antlers and didn't drown in the torrent. Couldn't move anything for hours, but finally got some feeling back in my legs and was able to get to my feet. This happened at 9 AM and I made it to the emergency room at midnight. The good lord was watching over me that day. The arm is workable now. No more archery though, and I have difficulty holding any rifle offhand now. but I am alive.

August 1, 2013, 11:14 PM
You learn to cope, compramise with your situtation. Bi lateral hip replacement at 28. No more snow skiing, wheres the snowmobile. Lower back surgery 4 disks blown, can't get in that tree anymore, where my ground blind. Moved from a pump 12 to a 20 auto, don't walk those long fields for pheasant anymore, setting by a pond waiting for doves.
At least the safe didn't crush the OP to death.

Cee Zee
August 1, 2013, 11:36 PM
A guy I know accidentally shot his own arm completely off, id say that changed his life.

I know a guy who did the same thing. He spent the rest of his life (at least the part of it I knew him) trying to prove he could still do whatever he could do before his hunting accident. Never lay a shotgun down where I can fall and never leave a round in the chamber on a shotgun.

Jim Watson
August 2, 2013, 12:09 AM
Wow, I got off easy.
Departing my burning house by the upstairs window and sliding off the icy porch roof, 1/30/10;
I fractured my pelvis, tore my pubic symphysis, cracked two vertebrae, broke off a transverse spinal process, and nipped a sciatic nerve. A long screw in through the hip and a chain across my belly holds me together pretty well.
The dropped foot that remains from that pinched nerve slowed me down a bit on the IDPA field but I am not much otherwise impaired. Picking up brass is the most painful part of pistol shooting.
General arthritis is enough that 9mm and .45 midrange are about as much fun as I like to shoot.

I complained of foot pain - the morphine pump took care of the rest for long enough to heal - and they gave me Lyrica which did little but tear up my already irritable digestion.

August 2, 2013, 01:20 AM
Neurontin is terrific in a very narrow set of circumstances. My daughter had what we call some ''orthopedic adventures'' when she was young due to a congenital fibural hemimelia, and had a nerve in her ankle start spasming. Neurontin calmed it down long enough to heal, and that particular cause of pain went away.

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August 2, 2013, 02:52 AM
One of my all time favorite movie lines is from Heartbreak Ridge, "Improvise, adapt and overcome". I think those posting in this thread exemplify this attitude, and I admire the grit and determination it takes to persevere over some devestating illness and injury. Some true inpiration in the stories posted.

My personal inspiration is my 84 year old mom who has severe artheritis. She's not a shooter and never has been, but the ingenuity and grit she shows every day just by adapting to and overcoming the limitations her physical issues cause is incredible. Still driving at 84 she had to come up with a very specific proceedure just to get in the car. We're working on one now for her to get in my new vehicle. The running boards I thought would be enough aren't. Still she fights an increasingly uphill battle daily to maintain her independance and I admire her greatly for it.

Even little victories are still victories, and while we are all ultimately destined to lose our battles eventually, the fight waged is a telling mark of ones charactor.

dagger dog
August 2, 2013, 07:35 AM
Couldn't wait to get rid of the cataracts on both eyes, was nearsighted with astigmatism from birth, the new lenses corrected the astigmatism and brought the color back into my life.

3 weeks after the surgery noticed my dominant (right) eye had some distortion, a blood vessel that feeds the retina burst and that caused permanent distorted vision and about 40% loss in that eye, the vision in that eye looks like the old funny mirrors that used to be found at the carnivals the ones that made you look short and fat or tall and skinny

Handguns I can shoot cross dominant not a problem, but iron rifle sights especially if they are mounted on or ahead of the chamber are not possible, tang types are possible if I shoot both eyes open.

It's strange how the brain compensates for that type of injury, both eyes open no distortion just over all degradation, good eye shut real wavy like heavy mirage on a hot day.

Will have to teach myself to shoot lefty.

August 2, 2013, 01:01 PM
Was it caused by the surgery, or just a coincidence? I hope it improves whatever the cause.

August 2, 2013, 03:00 PM
I've got more chronic bugaboos than specific injuries: a weak knee, achilles issues, the early stages of arthritis in my thumbs, and weakening near vision.

Most of that I can manage. It's the vision that makes things hard.

August 2, 2013, 03:15 PM
A horse fell on me at laurel park in Laurel, MD near Baltimore. The fall broke two vertebra in my neck and two vertebra in my lower back. Thanks to the doctors at the VA in Baltimore and Quantico, VA I recovered. I am still not myself but I can walk well. Most people don't know I was injured by just looking at me. The other veterans at the VA made my rehab easy. At the VA there were men who suffered horrible injuries in Iraq and they were making a normal life for themselves. I couldn't be the one that fell out.

My life as a shooter has changed. I used almost exclusively participate in shotgun sports. Now 50 rounds a month is all I can handle with a shotgun. I used to see a pistol as something to buy time to get a real gun. Now IDPA and ZSA are becoming my favorite sports.

August 2, 2013, 06:47 PM
I'm 52. In 2007 tore my left rotator cuff bad. Had surgery/PT and was out of work close to a year. Never got the full strength back. Pain and weakness make offhand shooting and pump action guns hard. 12/29/2010 I slipped in snow unloading company equipment from my van and jammed my right shoulder ball right through that rotator cuff. I shreded it and screwed up the nerves. Had surgery/PT and was out of work just over a year but had constant pain and sever weakness. Found out the cuff retore and also the bicept tendon. That were I,m at now.Hard to get anything over head, cast a fishing pole, can't throw anything, no bowling or frisbee., ect... Working to keep my job but I can't lift or hold anything above my chest. Can't take much recoil from my milsurp collection. Mostly shoot .22s but even cycling a bolt action is tough from the shoulder. I need anothe surgery but I can't take another year off from work. So i live with the constant pain/weakness. On top of this I've been on the road for 31 years and the last couple years have been getting all the neck/shoulder and back pain from driving for that long. I feel like crap all the time. Have multipe RX for Hydrocodone, pain patches and topicals. I can't drive taking the pills and I don't like the way they make me feel after a couple days. Home remidies(beer/wine) isn't the answere also but works to make me slee to start all over the next day. When I plan to go shooting I don't use anything for 2 days before. So I go into shooting to enjoy myself hurting and wait untill after dinner to take anything. Lifes good, i,m alive.

August 3, 2013, 08:57 AM
Glad to see we are all still plugging along like the Old Timex commercial.

dagger dog
August 3, 2013, 11:03 AM

It's permanent.

August 3, 2013, 04:12 PM
I had my feeling hurt once, does that count ?

Ok moar serious now; My outspoken nature caused me to get hit in the head a bit in my younger days. A detached retina in my right (dominant) eye has caused me to re-learn how to shoot. I also learned to choose my words carefully.

August 3, 2013, 10:39 PM
That stinks, Dagger, life is not fair.

August 4, 2013, 09:01 AM
I took a fall and did this to my heel.

I shoot mostly revolvers now, as picking up spent brass is more of a chore.

Doc did a good job of putting me back together, but arthritis in the ankle joints has me on NSAIDs for the rest of my life.

Small price to pay.

Jim Watson
August 4, 2013, 03:37 PM
I know that while in the ER after The Incident, they spend what seemed an inordinate amount of time inspecting and X-raying my heels, and asking how they felt.
My feet were gashed and painful, but the real pain was in my pelvis and I could not understand the interest in my feet. I later learned that the heel is a bad place to injure, as you have found.

August 4, 2013, 07:10 PM
Broken neck in my younger days, got real lucky, no paralysis, badly ruined rotator cuff 20 years ago. ruptured disc l-4 l-5 13 years ago and now my eyes are getting weaker. But I still go to work, ride motorcycles and shoot when i get the chance, so all in all i'm not doing too bad, although this getting old crap is not for sissies, ha. The meds will keep you going as long as you can control the dependancy aspect and not use more just cause you have them and are feeling bad. Migranes and bachache are a way of life now.

Tommy Medlin
August 4, 2013, 07:25 PM
never mind?

August 4, 2013, 08:57 PM
Since 2010
Left knee total knee replacement ,Right knee total knee replacement
right ankle broken in 3 places, ruptured right achellies tendon,6 other torn tendons and ligaments.6 screws and 2 plates . And add a skull fracture to that list.

I don't run anywhere anymore. i don't fight anymore either . if it come's to it ,I just shoot.

Arthritis has started in and at age 54 I'm on disability. i like everyone else still like to shoot when i can . just a little slower now :)

August 5, 2013, 11:47 AM
I have been using inversion for the back for almost 15 years now, it usually helps, sometimes it will give immediate relief, "crack all the disks" as soon as you flip over. I got a cheap inversion machine for 100 bucks and it works just as well as the more expensive ones. It's just reversing gravity, hanging upside down allows all the bones and disks to snap back into position. I have tried braces, tens units, heat, "you name it", and this worked the best for me. I walked into a sports authority and tried their inversion machine to see if it worked, and after I removed the thing that they had on it to prevent people from using it, I flipped over, and found it worked right away.
Try one If someone you know has one, or do what I did. Sometimes they snap back and some times they don't. But anything that helps is worth a shot. The first time Iused it I felt a half dozen disks pop.
I would not try it if you have leg or foot problems.

August 5, 2013, 12:07 PM
WOW ..............I am one lucky dude, 72 in three more days and no injuries since Charlotte broke my heart in the tenth grade. It did mend though and the current wife has lasted 49 years.

Mat, not doormat
August 5, 2013, 10:39 PM
I got two of my fingers caught in a machine at work, cutting off the tips. The middle finger didn't lost much length, but the pad is a mass of scar tissue. The index, (read: trigger) finger, though, I lost pretty much the whole first joint. (

Since I was left eye dominant to begin with, and could already shoot handguns with either hand, I decided to make the switch to shooting everything lefty. It took about a month of determined practice before shouldering a long gun on that side began to feel natural, but it does, now.

Six months down the road, I've swapped most of my biased long guns for left handed models. At my best, before the switch, I had won the State Championship in SASS, and was pretty sure of placing in the top 3 at most local matches. Now, I'm starting to creep back into the Top Ten, but I'm still 3-4 seconds per stage off the pace of the leaders.

August 6, 2013, 03:00 PM
Shooting guns gave me hyperacusis and tinnitus. I can't shoot guns anymore. Ear plugs didn't stop it.

August 8, 2013, 01:27 AM
A broken arrow in the U.S.A.F. at 19 left me with very bad neropathty. The pain can be very bad sometimes! At night it feels like fire! I have meds to control the pain but have had to learn to just fight thru it at times. Not as easy as it sounds, but sometimes that's all you can do! I try to shoot as much as possible & keep on going! That has kept me shooting so far, but getting old ain't helping! Just keep going! That's the most important thing to do! Sorry not more help but that's it. Good luck!

jim in Anchorage
August 8, 2013, 01:43 AM
Is this the cripple thread?

August 8, 2013, 02:30 AM
I've been shot through my left hand (thank God it wasn't my right, although I don't recommend getting shot at all) and it required surgical reconstruction. I thought I was going to be hindered when firing long guns because of it, however I have most movement back in my index finger and the scar tissue doesn't bother me too much and can handle a standard long gun and a long gun with a front grip just fine.

I'm a gritty grunt, and would have managed someway anyhow.

Mat, not doormat
August 8, 2013, 02:41 AM
Is this the cripple thread?

Well, now that Mr Sensitivity's been heard from... ;p

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jim in Anchorage
August 8, 2013, 04:32 AM
Sorry if I offended anyone. But reading this thread made me think of this-

August 8, 2013, 07:40 AM
Actually....reading this thread reminds me of my favorite Little Feat songs; 'Old Folks Boogie'.

Note: I'm not young either.

August 8, 2013, 12:23 PM
Left shoulder surgery made for a slow down, then right shoulder surgery five years later another slowdown. All that healed just fine with therapy. Today the thing slowing me down is simply getting older. The visual acuity isn't what it once was and bending into shooting positions doesn't quite work as well as it once did. Shooting a match isn't a weekend activity anymore.

Today I just head to the range for pure enjoyment and enjoy it I do. I don't worry about the groups as much as I once did. Who cares because it's all about the enjoyment and relaxation. Truth be known, I believe all my guns shoot better than me. Today it's about teaching the grandchildren and enjoying their youth.


August 18, 2013, 03:09 AM
Since everyone else is posting their problems, might as well post mine too..

I hurt my left shoulder about 32 years ago, and it's been messed up ever since. Supposedly, I have an impingement, with possible nerve entrapment. It used to hurt so bad sometimes that I couldn't even do anything but sit and groan. I went to therapy, and it got much better, until the therapists talked me into doing cold packs along with heat and ultrasound, that made it worse than ever. I have full range of motion, but any outward "swing" hurts quite a lot, and if I have something more than 5 pounds in my hand, a "swing" feels like a knife has been stuck into my armpit. In general though, my left shoulder is now my "good" one. I hurt the right shoulder in a fall 6 years ago yesterday. A stumble turned into a life changing disaster. I started to turn my left ankle as I was stepping up from a parking lot to a sidewalk to enter a carry out. I tried to save myself from a sprained left ankle and I planted my right foot, and my leg arced over and my right knee was the "hammer" that slammed itself into the sidewalk. I'm a big guy, so between my weight and the forward motion, there was a lot of force involved. It made a huge CRACK, and it went dead, there was zero pain in the knee itself. My only original pain was in my right shoulder. I had torn it all up when I put my arm out to keep my face from slamming into the sidewalk. I had torn my bicep, and a bunch of other stuff. The doctors told me that if it happened to almost anyone else, their collarbone would have broken, and it wouldn't have been so had, but more than one doctor has said I have the thickest collarbones they have ever seen, so all the force of the fall went into my shoulder and upper arm. My shoulder would pop out of the socket and "float". I could lift my arm up to about shoulder high, but lifting it higher or with even just a couple of pounds caused amazing pain. I was urged to have surgery, but with my problems listed below, I passed on it. Smart move it turned out.

My main problems are my legs and back. When I fell, I crushed a nerve in my knee, and it was almost totally dead for over 3 years. It came "back to life" at 2am on Dec 2, 2010. Even the way it woke up was odd. At first, it was a minor throbbing that got worse and worse, to the point I was about to call 911 and go to the ER. But when I stood up to go to the bathroom, the pain stopped and it was obvious my right knee was better than it had been in over 3 years. Therapy was a disaster, I hurt my left knee twice, going to the ER both times, and the second time, I totally tore off my quadriceps tendon from my left knee, along with tearing up the muscles in my thigh, just like I had done on the right. Between both knees being messed up, I have major back issues, and like everyone else on my mom's side of the family, I have arthritis in my neck and spine. Standing still without leaning on something is torture, and just doing normal stuff around the house is impossible.

But other than that, I'm doing great!!

September 2, 2013, 11:46 PM
Had Biceps Distal Tendon Rupture......:(

Had surgery a little over a weak ago and recovery is about 3 months to start using again and 6 months for full use and range of motion. After a about 4 more weeks in restrictive brace I suspect Therapy will begin.

For now i am getting better with left hand doing everyday tasks and doing pretty good with my SR22 also...:)

It is easy to carry and shoot and reload with one hand. I have use of my fingers real good and I can use them to pull the magazine assist down and load up the magazine with left hand.

Anyway on the road to recovery.... All you between 45-55 this is number one age group for this injury to occur to.

September 3, 2013, 01:31 AM

I can sympathize with you in your injury. Back in 68', I was in the Navy, while aboard ship coming home from the Nam, I broke my RT forearm, ulna and radius, proximal 2/3's, half way between elbow and wrist. I had surgery on it, plate and screws inserted, same thing as yours, in turning the hand over, my rotation is about 30%. I was 18 at the time, now 64 and retired, but not one to give up, I still go shooting every chance I get, which is about 3 to 4 times a week. Doing some close- in drills a week ago, the instructor told me to "Straighten your arm out, don't bend it, you can't hit anything like that!" When he came over to "instruct some more", he saw the huge scars, thats when I told him, "Thats what I got while serving during the Viet Nam War, didn't you see my other target before you started this drill?" When he saw the target in question, he also saw the 3" circle totally shot out @ 10 yards with my Colt Trooper revolver, .38 Spl, he didn't say anything before he turned and walked off. Guys, don't give up, I know most of you have more serious things than I do to deal with, from here on out, you'll all be in my daily prayers!

September 3, 2013, 02:29 AM
My wrist was injured during an on-duty altercation with a suspect a few years ago. Surgery was not able to fully repair the injury. The surgeon, a shooter himself, indicated the wrist will "fall apart" at some point. I have not wished to tempt fate and have not shot a .44 Magnum, or my .454 Casull since...

September 3, 2013, 02:40 AM
have a bad wrist that none of the air force doctors or local doctors have been able to fix. during a good bird hunting season ill only be able to hunt 2 days until my wrist is so sore from racking my 870 that i have to take a few days off.

it also makes climbing a deer stand hard, along with any ladder

Carl N. Brown
September 3, 2013, 05:00 AM
Injury: I broke my left collarbone, among other things, in a car wreck Aug 1992. Since I had multiple life threatening injuries, setting the collarbone was not a priority (apparently pins in the collarbone to mate the two halves would have a tendancy to migrate) so that was not done. The collarbone knitted overlapped, shortened with a lump in the middle. The left shoulder is noticeably more set in from the right.

Change: I won't shoot any long gun in heavier caliber than .22 from the left shoulder. Plus I use earplugs and muffs when I participate in matches at the gun club.

Is this the cripple thread?
This is the survivor thread.

hang fire
September 3, 2013, 04:49 PM
I have had injuries and surgeries to spine, fusing four of the lower lumbar. I shrugged them off and mushed on down the road, but this last episode which resulted in 30 days of hospitalization and four different procedures in three facilities has changed all that. Started with a surgeon using micro surgery blowing a gall bladder removal when he cut open main bile duct. So far bills have run over a quarter million dollars and the pain from bile in chest cavity have been unreal.

So my shooting has been curtailed for forseeable future.

September 3, 2013, 08:12 PM
Lower back injury 20 years ago. I can't have tight pants, wear a belt carry a pistol without having serious back pain.
Old age is contributing to shoulder aching when I try to hold pistol on target.

September 3, 2013, 09:02 PM
I'm very blessed. Out of the accidents I've had, all were pretty much fully recoverable.

The only thing even shooting related is when I mistakenly stuck my trigger finger into a still powered cooling fan. It lopped the tip most of the way off, but I fixed it with super glue and it all grew back together.

The only downside (and it ain't much of one) is I can't use a trigger lighter than 4 pounds because I just can't feel it.

September 3, 2013, 09:04 PM
Well boys some days are better than others but keep on plugging along.

Romeo 33 Delta
September 3, 2013, 10:33 PM
My combat injuries (right Femur and hip) and ones associated to them (nerve damage to left leg and hands) have pretty much made it impossible to shoot semi-auto pistols reliably (trouble operating the slide), though I can still manage revolvers if I shoot them single action. I have a special bench at the local range made for me by a great guy and I can still shoot my target rifles and some MilSurps (non-semi auto) without too much trouble, but I have problems cocking most of my favorites ... M-1, M1A, BM-59, M-1941, FAL, G3... but I'm pluggin' along!

September 4, 2013, 11:07 AM
A back injury is why I got into carrying in the first place. I was stoved up something fierce when I was 25. It took me about 2 years to walk normal again. Even after that I would hurt myself every now and then and my back was all torqued up.

I doubted my ability to defend myself in a hand to hand or even knife to hand situation do to the stabbing pain I felt and a real lack of mobility and manuverability. I started carrying as a result.

I am well healed now and would have a fair chance of fending off an attacker, but I still carry since I value my life a great deal.

September 5, 2013, 11:16 AM
Not an accident- a disease, arthritis! I used to shoot a couple of hundred 44 mag rounds a week thru my Ruger superblackhawk and other large caliber pistols, now I have a hard time with even a full sized .357 and on really bad days a 22. I have lost my hand strength, now my knees are bone to bone and my hip joints are breaking down and I have digenerative disc disease in my back. GETTIN OLD IS NOT FOR SISSIES!

September 5, 2013, 12:32 PM
I have a couple vertibrate degenerating in my neck. Been that way for a long time. Have learned to turn my whole body when I can to look from left to right and avoid very quick movements with my head. Chirapractors notice the limited movement quite rapidly and then I explain why. It is one of the ways that I screen Chirapractors... if they notice, I know they're likely to be pretty good, if not, I generally don't come back.

September 5, 2013, 02:53 PM
Two years ago @ age 66, I had both rotator cuffs repaired in the same year, both biceps had a tendon snap but they really not needed anyway so the surgeon left them alone. Rehab was about six months per side but nowhere near as bad as I expected.

Lots of PT. but now I am back to doing anything I want. Golf, all my handguns, and I just bought a bow so I can shoot with my grandson. Just got back in after painting one side of my house and now off to the archery range.

Hang in there, nothing is as bad as it appears to be.

September 5, 2013, 09:03 PM
If I had your luck, I'd be walking around in custom medieval-style full titanium armor. Sounds like you'd be pretty easy to locate in any given city if one just hangs around the E.R. long enough!

Funny thing is I work in a hospital lab.

September 5, 2013, 09:36 PM
in the scheme of things, I don't have it that bad off. Long and the short of it is this. I have to retrain myself how to hold rifles, shotguns and handguns again. In the past almost two years my shoulders have gone south in a hurry, and I compensated for it. My left arm ended up about 2" shorter and didn't move much. So when rifle shooting I couldn't aim with the left arm, but held tight with the left and aimed with the right(i'm right handed). And got good at it, I've been strong enough to kinda muscle through it.
Handgun shooting was even more twisted and awkward but again I compensated for it and got good. By the spring i'll be able to use normal geometry and go back to the way I was taught, but unlearning the compensatory techniques I created will undoubtedly be a challenge.

September 5, 2013, 10:26 PM
Not an injury, but, an inheritance............the bones in my right forearm are fused at the elbow end, which means ZERO rotation in my right elbow. Hands straight out, palms down, rotating my thumbs up as far as possible, my left arm flips completely over palm up, my right, stops with my thumb at about 35-40 degrees ( the amount of rotation in my shoulder and wrist ).

I cannot physically grip a long gun while shooting right handed, and when I shoot lefty, I rest/grip the forearm between my thumb and pointer............obviously not a fan of bolt guns. Using a handgun is better because using a two handed grip, I can force the gun vertical, however, one handed the gun is somewhere between gangsta and vertical....turns out, your sights do NOT have to be straight up and down to get good hits. :D

My biggest challenge thus far has been trying to figure out how I can carry would be amazed at the little things in life you CANT do when you have no elbow rotation :(

September 7, 2013, 02:35 AM
Age had crept (quickly) upon me. After years of Commuting, my left hand has stiff arthritis and I have no grip with it. about two years ago I developed an issue with my right shoulder. I can use it in all normal activities, lifting, shooting, etc. But the post use period brings a lot of pain. Wife is always offering some of her pain meds which so far Ihave refused. A little Bayer as yet has allowed me to sleep. That said, I have not fired my MN M44 in a couple years and the last time recovery was a week. May be time to liquidate.

September 7, 2013, 05:38 AM
Dang guys, I thought my degenerative disk disease and fractured vertebrae, was bad. I wish each and one of you the very best.

September 7, 2013, 09:57 AM
I suffered a macula hole in my right eye retina several years ago and even after surgery the distortion has limited me in having the visual acuity that is needed to shoot well. At 81 it is too late to learn to shoot left. Getting old is not easy but it beats the alternative.

Nasty Ned
September 9, 2013, 07:08 AM
My gosh, I'm 77 now and thought I was getting bad off until I read all this. I surely am sorry for all the aches pains and problems all these good folks have and feel quite fortunate not to have quite as many as most of Y'all have. I have been shot twice, both times by accident, but there was a time that if I had been hit, it would not have been an accident. I wish the best for all of Y'all.


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