What was Blade Runner's gun?

[Abominable No-Man]

Anyone know? Wife got me the director's cut DVD, haven't watched it yet. But in all the "movie gun" threads I remember looking through, I can't find one that ever asked this.

ANM

[Trebor]

Try a web search. There are some prop-replica sites that talk about this gun (and other SF guns) in detail. I don't have any URL's handy though, sorry.

From what I remember, the Blade Runner gun was a combo from a Steyr rifle receiver and barrel stub and a Charter Arms revolver with a few other bits 'n pieces added for effect.

[Detritus]

it was the action and trigger group from a Steyr sporting rifle (one employing double-set triggers), piggybacked on top of a run of the mill, el-cheapo, Charter Arms snub-nose revolver (i think either a bulldog or an undercover). then a creative propmaker "did some cosmetic work" to hide the seams (custom enlarged grip, side panels to meld the bolt gun action with the underslung revolver, etc).

one of the websites quotes one of the guys responsible as saying something along the lines of, well we saw this rifle action that was without a stock or barrel, had a really neat looking bolt handle and two triggers, and sort of went "HEY that would look really cool if we incorporated it into a 'gun of the future' let's scrounge around some adn see what we cna do with it!" same website goes into how top create one of these things, personally i don't have the inclination to spend that type of money and wind up.
1. with a non functional firearm, no matter HOW cool it looks
and
2. have to, in the process of making said setdressing pretty much destroy a well made, beautiful, and since it's now out of production increasingly rare, example of german riflemaking.

[Justin]

http://props.steinschneider.com/blade_runner/bldrunbl.htm

The pistol Deckard carries in Blade Runner is made from parts of several different guns. No such gun actually exists.

http://props.steinschneider.com/brblaster/close01.jpg

[The Undertoad]

If I remember correctly he had a revolver in the book, but it's been a while since I last read it. I do enjoy Philip K. Dick!!! :)

[RobertHankins]

Pretty cool:what:

[Tamara]

Regardless of what Deckart used in the movie, holding that Mateba makes you want to go retire some replicants, doesn't it? ;)

"He say you braderunner!"
"Tell him I'm eating." :cool:

[Justin]

:evil:

Oh heck yeah.

That thing is about as sci-fi/anime as a real gun can get.

BTW, shot it side-by-side with a Colt Trooper Mk. III. Rather interesting compare-n-contrast.

[otomik]

something like that would make a real stylish bolt-action .223 survival-type pistol. in fact they had something like it in the game Fallout 2.

[The Undertoad]

otomik - ah yes, the .223 pistol. First thing I thought of when I saw that one too. :)

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Ah Bladerunner... the sole reason I own a COP .357 derringer
http://www.racprops.com/issue4/leonsgun/images/cop3573.jpg

At least Leon had a real gun.
http://www.racprops.com/issue4/leonsgun/images/cop3571.jpg

[Third_Rail]

Wow, nice 4 barrel.... who makes it again?

[Tamara]

Nobody, anymore.

Like a replica of the Pieta sculpted out of French vanilla, the form is perfect, but the substance leaves something to be desired. ;)

[QuarterBoreGunner]

the form is perfect, but the substance leaves something to be desiredwow Tam, that description is so... polite.

Third_Rail- Truthfully the C.O.P. (Compact Off-duty Police) .357 looks very zoomy and is put together pretty well, it has some serious flaws- like a trigger pull that requires three men and a small boy (no lie- it's nasty heavy), and for some reason the designers took the concept of barrel rifling and applied it only lightly. It has the most shallow of grooves I've ever seen and key-holes the rounds at 25 yrds.

Even with all that, I wouldn't give it up unless I absolutely had to. It's just that cool looking. Just not a very effective firearm.


Oh and can I get that Pieta with chocolate sprinkles?

[Sean Smith]

Regardless of what Deckart used in the movie, holding that Mateba makes you want to go retire some replicants, doesn't it?

Ever watch Ghost in the Shell?

"I like the Mateba." :cool:

[pauli]

Truthfully the C.O.P. (Compact Off-duty Police) .357 looks very zoomy and is put together pretty well, it has some serious flaws- like a trigger pull that requires three men and a small boy (no lie- it's nasty heavy), and for some reason the designers took the concept of barrel rifling and applied it only lightly. It has the most shallow of grooves I've ever seen and key-holes the rounds at 25 yrds.

it's a derringer. 25 yards seems a tad excessive :p

do all four rounds fire at once, or in sequence?

[Third_Rail]

In sequence right, wouldn't all 4 at once be illegal??

[deleteall]

yep, more than one shot from one pull of the trigger=machine gun. Doesn't matter that there are four barrels.

What's the purpose of the double-trigger set-up on the Steyr?

[QuarterBoreGunner]

The C.O.P. is technically a derringer, but it does have a 2 ½” barrel. 25 yrds. is, uhm, optimistic though. The rounds fire sequentially, clockwise from the shooters point of view. The Blade Runner prop version had been modified so that two barrels fired at once.

[Third_Rail]

Isn't that an illegal modification? I'd really like to get machine guns redefined... sigh.

[pauli]

that's annoying. four .357's at once would probably have a fair bit of effect at point blank range... :p

(probably have a fair bit of effect on the shooter's wrist, too! :eek: )

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Third_Rail-
From the Weapons of Science Fiction- prop guns in the movies website:
The actual COP used in the movie Blade Runner was supplied by the legendary but now bankrupt Stembridge Gun Rentals, Inc. of Los Angles, California. For many years Stembridge was Hollywood's supplier of choice for movie weapons. Additionally, there is one important detail which will now be revealed for the first time: According to Art Shippee, Jr., the property master responsible for the weapons in the movie, the COP .357 used in Blade Runner had been altered to fire two barrels simultaneously. This modification helped create the greater than expected flash that is visible in the movie.
linky link (http://props.steinschneider.com/cop_357/cop_357.htm)

pauli- I wonder if the frame could take it without a catastophic failure? Four rounds at once? I'm not going to volunteer to find out.

[Third_Rail]

Ahh, notice that fewer and fewer movies use real firearms now? Laws are driving movie armorers out of business.

[Zundfolge]

What's the purpose of the double-trigger set-up on the Steyr?
First trigger "sets" the trigger, the second makes the hammer fall.

Kind of like a two stage trigger in a Match type rifle.

[stiletto raggio]

Tamara,

I thought I was the only one here who was educated in Renaissance sculpture...

The surprises keep coming on this board.

[Abominable No-Man]

You know what? Blade Runner was made in what, the early '80's? I think it would be kind of cool to have the movie redone. Maybe like George Lucas did with the first 3 Star Wars movies.

Or completely reshot. I don't think I'd like it if Harrison Ford was in it again. His politics of late have kind of bothered me. I think Kiefer Sutherland would make a pretty good Deckard. Could even give him a Mateba in the movie, if it was ever reshot.

ANM

[BryanP]

Maybe like George Lucas did with the first 3 Star Wars movies.

BLASPHEMER! ;)

He'd change it so that Harrison Ford-Deckerd only returns fire like he did with Harrison Ford-Han Solo.:banghead:

[BeLikeTrey]

Look for navigation to that blaster. This site has a few prop gun kits.
Also isn't the stromtrooper gun on STARWARS a british STERLING?

http://home.pressroom.com/philips/pulser/pulse.htm

[Abominable No-Man]

Han Solo's blaster was a tricked out Mauser Broomhandle. The Stormtroopers' blasters were Sterlings, and the long guns that some of them carried were, I think, H&K LMG's- I don't remember what model. Chewbacca's crossbow was a hybrid, too, a Barnett, I think. I'll have to look for it, but I remember a link on TFL about Star Wars movie guns.

ANM

[Detritus]

the long guns that some of them carried were, I think, H&K LMG's-

unless i'm wrong and H&K pre-dates ww2. the large, LOOONG blaster arms are not HK products.....

they're MG-42s (or whatever the earlier version was MG34??) that wound up in some brit "prop gun" werehouse. granted if they're MG42 they're almost identical to an MG3 but trust me anything that was used in a sci-fi movie, filmed in england, in the 70's, that looks like that, is going to be war trophy WW2 era gear.


BTW you guys forgot Leia's "sporting blaster" that was a dolled up artillery Luger (or a luger carbine minus the forestock)

[Chuck Jennings]

IF the movie is redone, I smell a licensing opportunity for Smith and Wesson:

http://swfirearms.vista.com/userimages/170231_large.jpg

[QuarterBoreGunner]

clbj- hey great photoshop! Almost looks real! But I think the barrel is a little over the top, I mean seriously. And the sling as well, come on, who would believe that...

(whisper whisper mumble mumble...)What's that? Really? You've got to be kidding...

[Justin]

Monica Bellucci also had a COP in 'Matrix 2.'

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Justin- oh yes. Yes she did. I've scoured the www wide and far looking for a still of her in that rubber dress with the COP... <shakes fist at monitor>Curse you Intarweb! You promised me so much!

[Chuck Jennings]

QuarterBoreGunner-

Very funny! :D

[Hugo]

I heard a rumor (please let this be true!!) that Frank Miller might remake Robocop! He would also do a nice job remaking Blade Runner.

Deckard's pistol is pretty sweet. Impractical as heck, but oh so sweet!

Also the 4 barrelled COP pistol has a cameo in the new Battlestar Galactica when they are on Kobol.

[matthew.g.george]

Monica....

wow, I just saw how old this thread was....

[Grump]

I HATED the Director's Cut. Tried to watch it with my son to instill a few "be careful what you create" moral ideas in him, and the lack of Harrison Ford's narrative commentary took most of the impact out of the film.

BTW, this one's a Film, not just a movie.

On thread--no idea how the blaster was made, but it was more credible than the specialty-ammo revolvers of the book "Logan's Run". Looked to me like they stuck a first-generation Aimpoint on it and other cop guns....

Edit:
Aw heck! I came in on page 2 and didn't know there was a real, live PIC of the thing out there in broad daylight! I see now the receiver was doctored to look like what I took at an optic, with a nice tube reminiscent of the battery thingy and...well, interpreting it that way, no place for a projectile to leave... assuming it was *still* a kinetic energy weapon...

[Dave Markowitz]

I heard a rumor (please let this be true!!) that Frank Miller might remake Robocop! He would also do a nice job remaking Blade Runner.

No thanks. Blade Runner is a film that should be left alone. Remaking it would be like a 21st C. artist repainting the Mona Lisa.

[DC3-CVN-72]

I agree!

[torpid]

We need NO more remakes.

We are literally now in the era of remakes of remakes. :barf:

[Detritus]

No thanks. Blade Runner is a film that should be left alone.

or more accurately, restored to how it was in the theater! i'm with Grump the "director's cut" absolutely STANK, and i cannot find a non- director's cut copy anywhere. i read the book first so maybe i'm biased, but dern what you can find on tape and DVD nowadays of it is just not worth the effort.

i hope the ghost of Philip K Dick is giving someone a well derserved ration over what that movie has become.

[Matt-man]

The studio released a remastered DVD just a couple of months ago. I happened to catch an HDTV version of Blade Runner via DirecTV, and it looked fantastic. If the new DVD is anything close to that, it'll look great (the old one really sucked quality-wise).

[Manedwolf]

A remade period piece loses all meaning, IMO.

[MatthewVanitas]

Monica....

wow, I just saw how old this thread was....

Dude, the gun's out of focus in that pic, it's no good.

*grin*


-MV

[dfariswheel]

If you do a search on Ebay, you can buy the Director's cut version, the original narrated theater version, AND, occasionally the European theater version which has the narration AND several scenes cut from the American version because they were thought to be too violent.

[Husker1911]

It's darned hard to find the theatrical release version, with Ford's voiceover narration. Yet there's a 25th anniversary version coming soon!

[Hugo]

You can even buy a replica of Deckard's super cool trenchcoat.

http://www.abbyshot.com/products/ps-deckard-trench.php

I'm saving up for one now. Now I just need a prop gun, except those cost a ton.... :(

[Manedwolf]

If you do a search on Ebay, you can buy the Director's cut version, the original narrated theater version, AND, occasionally the European theater version which has the narration AND several scenes cut from the American version because they were thought to be too violent.

Yes, and 99% of them are pirated copies out of Hong Kong.

[grimjaw]

At the risk of being labeled a necrophiliac for contributing to a zombie thread:

If I remember correctly he had a revolver in the book

The guns in the original Phillip K. Dick work were "laser tubes", not revolvers.

jm