What would be your "ideal" competition handgun?


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Katitmail
August 4, 2013, 01:10 AM
I know there is a lot of variables, but let's say you want:

1. More or less "normal" looking gun. Not race gun.
2. Semi-auto
3. Can use in IDPA, USPSA and steel matches and be competitive in appropriate classes.
4. 9mm

What that gun would be and why? What mods would you do?

I always thought that it would be 2011 for me. Today I watched 5 shooters and 4(!!) had some kind of problem. Maybe ammo related, maybe gun related but there was issue.

Now I'm not sure what I want :)

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Mat, not doormat
August 4, 2013, 03:07 AM
CZ Shadow.

jmorris
August 4, 2013, 04:03 AM
Glock 34? A 9mm single action in USPSA needs to be an open gun to be competitive.

Roons
August 4, 2013, 04:38 AM
M&P Pro 9mm

Add an Apex competition trigger kit, Dawson Precision .100 fiber optic front sight, and grip tape (Production rules apply for USPSA). I'm not sure if the M&P Pro fits into IDPA though. It was my go to gun for USPSA Production and Steel Challenge.

Ran 100% with over 5k rounds.

waktasz
August 4, 2013, 11:46 AM
Glock 34/M&P/XDM/CZ 75 variant

Bobson
August 4, 2013, 02:28 PM
Glock 34? A 9mm single action in USPSA needs to be an open gun to be competitive.
This would be my choice.

1SOW
August 4, 2013, 04:13 PM
CZ75Shadow.
Fits all the boxes.
VERY good trigger.
Shoots legally in all the comps mentioned and more.
Points accurately.
Shoots accurately and fast.
Durable.
Aftermarket anything easily available at reasonable prices.
Recently bought one.

beeenbag
August 4, 2013, 04:19 PM
I just so happen to shoot USPSA with a gun that fits that very bill. I shoot a glock 19 in competition because the grip fits my hand better than the 34 or 17, but all three would be a great choice IMHO. I too have seen several problems arise with people shooting the 2011 pistols, seems to be the 40 s&w ones that cause the most problems.

allaroundhunter
August 4, 2013, 04:37 PM
STI 2011 Eagle... Blows my worked up Glock 34 out of the water...

Longhorn 76
August 4, 2013, 04:43 PM
Long slide P7 M8/13.

Fastest on target
Fastest reload
Good trigger

Katitmail
August 4, 2013, 05:31 PM
Long slide P7 M8/13.

Fastest on target
Fastest reload
Good trigger
Now where would I get one of those? I do use P7 and there is 2 problems. Mag size (manageable but would be nice to have 13) and sight radius. Where do I get long one?

Hoser
August 4, 2013, 05:32 PM
STI 2011 in 9x19.

Mine runs like a top. I changed out the barrel about 20K rounds ago after 75K or so through the last one. I also have a bushing barrel for it when I shoot IDPA. I also use SV mags as they tend to work better in 9x19 than STI mags with spacers.

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/DSC02977.jpg (http://s890.photobucket.com/user/puebloshooter/media/DSC02977.jpg.html)

jmorris
August 4, 2013, 05:53 PM
You guys are shooting 2011/infinity 9mm's in USPSA?

How does it work out for you shooting minor?

At least with the XD/MP/CZ or glock everyone your competing with is also shooting minor.

FWIW all of my SVI'S and STI's run like a top, that is the first step in winning. The non compensated 9mm's are really only good for IDPA ESP though.

Hoser
August 4, 2013, 06:24 PM
I shoot Limited Minor. I dont win matches like I used to shooting major, but I have a lot more fun. And sneaking past a GM or two now and again is always fun. Although this year all I have shot is Revo (mostly minor but an occasional major) trying to make GM there.

Jim Watson
August 5, 2013, 09:37 AM
Back in the 1970s, Bruce Gray built a few long slide P7s, mostly M13s.
I think he took an order for one fairly recently and just finished it last year.
As I recall, he put in a 5" barrel and then extended the slide to 6" with expansion chamber compensator built into the extended slide, not hung on the barrel. This increased the retardation of the slide for use with 9mm Major.
I can't imagine what one would cost, if he would be bothered with another in the first place.


For myself, since my main event is IDPA ESP, I would take a 1911oid with aluminum frame and all other available parts to keep the weight down to 30-32 oz. Fit Accurails for durability of the aluminum frame in a frequently shot match gun, and everything of the highest quality.
I have a cooking grade pistol built on factory parts at 33 oz that is a very well balanced shooter in 9mm.

Katitmail
August 5, 2013, 09:46 AM
What about 2011's? Are they even legal in IDPA?

P.S. I found info about long slide P7. Not sure if it's worth $$$$ and not sure which class it will be in IDPA (if legal)

jmorris
August 5, 2013, 10:09 AM
What about 2011's? Are they even legal in IDPA?


As long as they fit in the box and make weight, yes.

No compensators at all in IDPA though.

jmorris
August 5, 2013, 10:20 AM
If you go the double stack 1911 route a 40 would be a better (single) caliber as you could load minor rounds for ESP then load Major rounds for Limited/Limited 10.

Or you could get an SVI set up in more than one caliber. They have removable breech faces, so you can use the same slide and frame but have multiple calibers.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/SVI.jpg

Or you could fit more than one slide to a frame and have two completely different configurations on the same frame.

ESPhttp://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/sticom.jpg

Openhttp://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/openshort.jpg

lawboy
August 5, 2013, 09:15 PM
I have shot a lot of idpa. I currently shoot a lot of uspsa. I have shot some steel challenge. To shoot all three games and be competitive with a "normal looking" gun I would get a Glock 34, a s&w m&p, a s/a xd of some flavor, or a CZ shadow.
These guns could all play well in steel challenge. All of them can win in uspsa production division or idpa ssp or esp divisions. None are terribly expensive but the CZ is a bit more than the others. All are normal guns.

BillB204
August 6, 2013, 08:58 AM
+1 for CZ Shadow. And if the price is a bit too high, CZ 75B or BD or SP-01. Those CZs are sweet shooters!

Katitmail
August 6, 2013, 09:10 AM
I sold my 75B SA 1/2 year ago. With stock grips it didn't hold well for me and trigger wasn't good.

Now I look again and CZ SP01 shadow custom look great, but seems like they in "unobtanium" state right now?

Dr.Rob
August 11, 2013, 06:56 PM
Browning Hi Power

Parkerized finish. Commander hammer. Novak sights with tritium inserts. Flared magazine well. Hogue monogrip with palm swells but about 1/2 the thickness of the current offering. Stainless 15 shot flush fit magazines.

More or less a Novak's HRT pistol with a slimmer (and rubber) grip.

Novak's HRT pistols are serious pieces.. might not be the BEST competition pistol, but in the IDPA spirit... that's a "stock" ESP handgun.

waktasz
August 11, 2013, 07:37 PM
I want someone to make a steel framed striker fired gun as reliable as a Glock.

jmorris
August 11, 2013, 08:28 PM
How about a steel frame glock?

http://www.ccfraceframes.com/home.php

Better be quick though.

waktasz
August 11, 2013, 08:31 PM
Vaporware.

Longhorn 76
August 12, 2013, 07:35 AM
I want someone to make a steel framed striker fired gun as reliable as a Glock.

Now we are back to the H&K P7.

waktasz
August 12, 2013, 08:53 AM
Capacity too low

jmorris
August 13, 2013, 08:24 PM
Vaporware.

They have been out for 6 years or more and they still have some you can buy of you call them.

waktasz
August 13, 2013, 08:35 PM
I didn't necessarily say Glock...just something with Glock reliability. And since we're on the subject, something with a low bore axis, which is why SIGs are no bueno.

Katitmail
August 13, 2013, 09:37 PM
Capacity too low
OP Here. This is what I shoot now. P7. Capacity is OK for IDPA. But there is P7M13 ($$$$)

Problem with them - sight radius. I also noticed I have problem gripping it just right because of squeeze cocker. Otherwise - great pistol

Mauser lover
August 13, 2013, 11:05 PM
Browning hi-power. Or CZ somethin-or-other. Homemade grips to fit my hands and to bevel the magazine well.

1SOW
August 14, 2013, 01:37 AM
CZ75 Custom Shadow, (not the SPO1 & has no tac rail, comes with Comp Hammer and Spring changes + polishing etc)
add: short reset disconnector, Competition Hajo rear and FO front sights, tune trigger to 3# SA & 6# DA trigger pull.

It shoots well, but I don't have the Short Reset Disco. .

Katitmail
August 17, 2013, 03:31 PM
Why not SP01? what's the difference?

justice06rr
August 26, 2013, 11:52 PM
M&P9 Pro, XDM9 (duo-tone), and possibly Glock34.

I've done IDPA with a standard M&P9 and Tac-3Gun with a Glock19; both worked well and I imagine the longer-slide and competition oriented pistols would work even better.

If $$ was no object I'd like to try a H&K USP45 Tractical or a nice Sig1911.

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