Cast bullet lubricants


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Kuyong_Chuin
August 4, 2013, 06:12 PM
I myself do not plan on using cast bullets much in what I'll be loading except for maybe target loads at some later date, but Dad is planning on loading his 357 with wad cutters. He has had a bucket of lead plus some ingots for making lead balls for the black powder guns guns for years. I have been reading the threads and in other places on different coatings and lubes for the bullets to keep the friction and fouling down when the bullet is properly fit and lubed. There is some things I have used worked with at times that I think might work well as a bullet lubricant as well as what we used it for when I could still work. Maybe someone that cast their own bullets has tried some of these or can try them to see how well they preform as a bullets lubricant. The first one is a mixture we used in a aluminum extrusion factory. We "painted" it on the ends of the bullets before they went into the furnace to keep them from sticking together or to the ram went they were pushed through the dies to make what ever they were making at the time. The mix was hydraulic oil and powdered graphite. A scoop which was maybe 12 ounces into a gallon jug with the top cut out and add enough of the fluid to make it into a thin paint. We would then paint it on with a brush and it would dry in a few minutes. Next is nycogrease I forget the number but it is just Vaseline and powdered graphite. It is used as a antiseize compound in the airline industry but we used it on the dies to keep them from sticking in the presses. Seems like a mix of white lithium soap graphite and ether hydraulic oil or Vaseline would work well.

Another think I wanted to ask about is I was looking at lead alloys and saw they make a lead copper alloy you can buy. It would seem if you used that to mold your bullets out of you would basically have a jacket kind of built into the cast bullet.

I want to here what you guys and gals think? Remember I am not casting bullets so it is up to you what you do with this information. It is just some chemicals I have worked with over the years.

P.S. Warning hydraulic oil and graphite is hard to get out of clothing when mixed.
If you get it on you clothes rub some lestoil on the stain and wash normally it will take it out. That stuff will take out grass, grease, blood, and other stains out and some Wal-Mart's carry it.

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jmorris
August 4, 2013, 07:01 PM
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?58-Boolit-Lube-!

USSR
August 4, 2013, 09:52 PM
My advice: Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Anything that could be done regarding casting bullets has already been tried by the folks on the above castboolits website.

Don

Kuyong_Chuin
August 4, 2013, 09:56 PM
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?58-Boolit-Lube-!
WOW!!! That is allot of reading. One thing how does that tell me if anyone here has used the stuff I asked about without taking a year to read every post in that forum if no one ever posted another post?

Kuyong_Chuin
August 4, 2013, 10:15 PM
My advice: Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Anything that could be done regarding casting bullets has already been tried by the folks on the above castboolits website.

Don
I was not trying to reinvent anything. I was just trying to see if anyone had tried any of the things I had worked with before as a lube and how they worked. If they had not been tried and they work well it might help someone else down the road. I tried to search the above site for hydraulic oil and graphite lubricant and all I got was errors. Anything that prevents a 7x29 inch aluminum billets from sticking together in a 800 degree blast furnace should work to keep lead from sticking at a even lower temp.

jcwit
August 4, 2013, 10:59 PM
Anything that prevents a 7x29 inch aluminum billets from sticking together in a 800 degree blast furnace should work to keep lead from sticking at a even lower temp.


A lead bullet going down a steel barrel is not the same as an aluminum billet being extruded in a steel die no matter the temp.

WOW!!! That is allot of reading. One thing how does that tell me if anyone here has used the stuff I asked about without taking a year to read every post in that forum if no one ever posted another post?


No need to read all of the posts at that forum. Read 50 or so posts on this forum, and go from there.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?58-Boolit-Lube-!

jmorris
August 5, 2013, 01:54 AM
WOW!!! That is allot of reading. One thing how does that tell me if anyone here has used the stuff I asked about without taking a year to read every post in that forum if no one ever posted another post?

Oh, trying them out is a different subject, I have tried these, as far as coating goes.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=707641&highlight=Bullet+coating


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=713642&highlight=Bullet+coating

blarby
August 5, 2013, 03:32 AM
Thompsons blue. Like you said, Why reinvent the wheel ? (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/667050/thompson-blue-angel-bullet-lube-hollow)

USSR
August 5, 2013, 10:22 AM
I use White Label's BAC lube. Inexpensive and works really well.

Don

zxcvbob
August 5, 2013, 10:43 AM
Are you going to size the bullets, and with what? If you're using a Lubrisizer (RCBS, Lyman, Star, etc) use pretty much any of the products from White Label.

If you are using Lee push-thru sizing dies, or not sizing at all, use Lee's Liquid Alox, or a mixture of Lee Liquid Alox and paste wax (like your grandma used on her floors and furniture) The LLA is easier and cheaper to use if you cut it with wax.

I think your hydraulic oil and graphite mix will migrate into the cartridge and could mess up the powder or even the primers.

Bush Pilot
August 5, 2013, 01:03 PM
My advice: Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Anything that could be done regarding casting bullets has already been tried by the folks on the above castboolits website.

Don
+1, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Bullet casting/lubing is not rocket science.

tyeo098
August 5, 2013, 04:50 PM
The simplest stuff by far is Darr's Lube

1 part Parrafin wax
1 part Vaseline
1 dash of STP oil treatment.

Pan lube.

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