C&R Question


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Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 12:08 AM
Hey guys,

I live on a Naval Air Station and keep my firearms in off-base storage. I would like to apply for my C&R license. For address, should I put the address of my storage unit, since I can't receive or keep firearms where I live? Thanks.

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Lennyjoe
March 22, 2004, 12:13 AM
Got a couple of questions for ya.

1. Do you live in the dorms or in base housing?

2. If you live in base housing is it against the base regs to keep guns in your home?

3. Have you checked the base regs on guns in quarters?

Reason I ask is cause I live in base housing (Air Force) and I am legally allowed to have and store firearms here in housing. I do not have to keep them at the armory. Only stipulation as far as the Base Commander is is to have the weapons locked up in some type of safe or cabinet and unloaded of course.

I CCW in Arizona and whenever I leave base Im armed. I unload prior to entering base as required by regs.

It would be best that you put your residence on the C&R license. You can still recieve them in the mail at the residence and if its against regs to keep and store them on base then you can just take them to the storage unit yourself.

Greg L
March 22, 2004, 12:13 AM
I think that your address has to be your place of residence.

Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 01:09 AM
I live in the BOQ. I can not receive mail at the BOQ and you can not keep weapons in the BOQ. My mailing address is a PO box. My residence is the BOQ. See my problem?

c_yeager
March 22, 2004, 03:36 AM
Thats a tricky one. I think your going to have to call the ATF and ask them about it. I'm sure that this has come up before.

LynnMassGuy
March 22, 2004, 08:37 AM
The guns have to be shipped to your residence.

Leatherneck
March 22, 2004, 09:04 AM
c yeager
I think your going to have to call the ATF and ask
That's the ticket. I believe they want the physical location of your collection for verification purposes. But a storage locker off-base seems kinda silly for a location. What would the BAT-men do, knock on the door? :D So probably they'd prefer your physical location. But better to ask...and also make sure you understand the need to notify them of the frequent changes of address in your future following P'Cola.

TC
TFL Survivor

Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 11:04 AM
Yeah, I think I'm just going to task the ATF. Thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

Lennyjoe
March 22, 2004, 12:52 PM
You are correct. BOQ will not work and neither will a P.O. Box.

Gonna have to wait till you get a residence. Bummer.:(

Hkmp5sd
March 22, 2004, 04:26 PM
Another option is to use your home of record, if applicable, as the C&R licensed premises. Basically, use your parents home and have the guns shipped there. They can sign for the guns, add them to the bound book and then "you" can ship them to "you" at your base and/or storage location.

Greg L
March 22, 2004, 05:03 PM
Assuming of course that your parents aren't screaming hissy fit anti's (or live in Ca now that I think of it) ;) .

Greg

Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 05:31 PM
Ok, just got off the phone with the ATF. The guy said I need to put my residence address, i.e. my BOQ address on the application. He says he doesn't care that the firearms are stored elsewhere, just that my residence is on the application. He also said he hasn't heard of this situation before hahaha. I may attach a letter to the application stating the circumstances of the situation, does that sound smart?

TimRB
March 22, 2004, 05:36 PM
"Another option is to use your home of record, if applicable, as the C&R licensed premises. Basically, use your parents home and have the guns shipped there."

This is certainly the most practical solution for an aviator-in-training who will be on the move for the next year or two. On the other hand, the way I read the regs, technically he needs to be present at his parents' house when the guns arrive.

I think the C&R license allows someone to *receive* firearms from a dealer; if the parents don't have a license, BATF may have a problem.

Tim

Hkmp5sd
March 22, 2004, 06:40 PM
the way I read the regs, technically he needs to be present at his parents' house when the guns arrive.

Yea, it's a grey area and I would get a letter from ATF before doing so. I'm basing my opinion on the liberal interpretation of...
Rev. Rul. 69-248

Under 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2), it is unlawful (with certain exceptions nothere pertinent) for any licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer to ship, transport or deliver in interstate commerce any firearm to any person other than another licensee. However, there is no provision in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 which would prohibit licensees from shipping, transporting or delivering firearms in interstate commerce to themselves for business purposes (exclusive of sale or disposition) in care of their employees, agents or representatives.

It doesn't include collectors by name, but probably because no one has ever asked that specific question.

Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 07:08 PM
Hmm that could be a problem. When it comes to ammunition shipments I ship them to a friend's house under my name. So it's addressed to me, just the delivery address is his house. I have a feeling that would not be legal with a firearm?

Hkmp5sd
March 22, 2004, 07:10 PM
If you are shipping a gun you already own, it is perfectly legal to ship it to yourself "Care Of" someone elses address.

Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 07:22 PM
Right, but what if I purchased said gun with a C&R via mail order care of a friend?

Hkmp5sd
March 22, 2004, 07:27 PM
That's what TimRB and I were discussing. The C&R must be shipped to the address on the license. The question is whether or not someone other than the licensee can take possession of the C&R in place of the licensee. A licensed dealer, importer or manufacturer can do so, but there is no direct authorization for a collector to do it.

Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 07:32 PM
Yeah, that's a problem. Unless the BOQ can take a firearm shipment and maybe send it to the armory for me to pick up...I don't see it happening. Damn them for making me live here! I used to live off-base when at NAS Pensacola. :cuss:

Hkmp5sd
March 22, 2004, 07:43 PM
There is one other possibility. You can use the BOQ as your address and then direct UPS/Fed Ex to hold the C&R at their terminal and you can then pick it up personally. A collector can take possession of a C&R at any location.

Fly Navy
March 22, 2004, 10:24 PM
Hmmmmmmm that may just work.......that's a really good idea

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