Little Disappointed With My Ruger


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Speedo66
August 14, 2013, 06:42 PM
I carried a concealed Glock as a service weapon for many years, subject to sweat, etc. Off duty in an inside waistband holster. Never a pinpoint of rust on it. Just took usual care, nothing special.

I now carry, rarely, a Ruger LCP which has developed some rust on the slide. I am less than thrilled with this development. The coating on both slides look similar, but obviously, the Ruger is not up to the Glock's standard.

Not trying to start a brand war, it just is what it is. Little PO'ed about this.

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horsemen61
August 14, 2013, 06:47 PM
Your right a glock and a ruger don't have the same finish the glocks is more durable IMHO.

Deus Machina
August 14, 2013, 09:00 PM
Ruger's slides are blued. It's basically just coloring the steel and has only modest anti-corrosion properties because it's a controlled oxidation on its own.

Glock's tennifer process case-hardens and changes the chemical composition of a relatively thick layer.

It's not that Ruger does it any worse, it's just not at all the same process.

ritepath
August 14, 2013, 09:14 PM
One of my kids sprayed me with water last year...a few days later I noticed specs of rust on the serrations on my slide.

I showed it to my son and said..."See you made it rust just like I said." then I rubbed it off and put it back in it's fobus holster. If I sweat I'll give it a slight rubdown before putting it in the safe at night these days.

Blue Brick
August 14, 2013, 10:01 PM
Guns require maintenance, like wiping it off with oil.

420Stainless
August 14, 2013, 10:21 PM
Sorry to hear about your trouble with the rust and thanks for letting me know about the Ruger. Hope you can polish the rust off without too much damage. I won't own a Glock, but now I know that an LCP might need a lot of attention if I choose to try and carry one here in the deep south. I'm amazed Ruger doesn't make a stainless version - they do for almost everything else.

ID-shooting
August 14, 2013, 10:25 PM
Glock = $500, Ruger LCP = $250. Not as tough as a finish you say? Keep oiled and wiped down, all will be fine. Had mine since they came out. Carry it daily, not one bit of rust.

Dan-O
August 14, 2013, 10:35 PM
Huh...that's funny. Google "stainless LCP" and there's pics of em. Guess my eyes are playing tricks on me.

Deaf Smith
August 14, 2013, 10:37 PM
I've heard floor wax works well on slides to keep them from rusting.

Never tried it myself though.

Deaf

Dentite
August 14, 2013, 11:54 PM
Dan-O:

As I understand it, the slide that appears to be stainless is actually a hard chrome finish over the carbon steel slide.

I've had to LCPs and no rust but I live in a dry climate.

CDawg
August 15, 2013, 03:59 AM
Try "Renaissance Wax" on your carry guns. It works! Museums use it on everything, including firearms. Hell, they even use it on outdoor statues to keep them from weathering. It leaves a very thin, invisible protective coating that will not hurt your firearm in any way. Sounds too good to be true, right? Believe it! It's not cheap, but it's worth it. A little goes a very long way.

ku4hx
August 15, 2013, 05:29 AM
Bluing is basically a "rusting" process that basically leaves you with various colors of bare metal. You have to wipe it down periodically with an oily cloth, silicon cloth or some such rust preventive.

That's always been a requirement of carbon steel with no surface protection finish.

PabloJ
August 15, 2013, 05:54 AM
I carried a concealed Glock as a service weapon for many years, subject to sweat, etc. Off duty in an inside waistband holster. Never a pinpoint of rust on it. Just took usual care, nothing special.

I now carry, rarely, a Ruger LCP which has developed some rust on the slide. I am less than thrilled with this development. The coating on both slides look similar, but obviously, the Ruger is not up to the Glock's standard.

Not trying to start a brand war, it just is what it is. Little PO'ed about this.
Ok if you got all black version the slide oxidizes easily plus slide closes after last empty casing leaves the chamber. Glock product is big notch above any pistol Strum & Ruger makes that is why militaries and PDs all over the world use Glocks not Rugers.

Goju
August 15, 2013, 06:38 AM
For maintaining the surfaces of all of my blued steel firearms, CorrosionX has served me without fail as my go-to maintainence product.

Roadking Rider
August 15, 2013, 06:53 AM
I've had my KT p3at sweat on ,and rained on more times than I can count. I've never had a speck of rust on it. I'm not sure why this would happen to your Ruger LCP.

bannockburn
August 15, 2013, 06:55 AM
Since bluing can readily show signs of wear and surface rust I would recommend getting the slide hard chrome plated. I have guns that were hard chromed (Metalife by Ron Mahovsky),and they still have yet to show any sort of surface wear or corrosion after 20 plus years of use.

Fiv3r
August 15, 2013, 08:15 AM
Of all my carry pistols, my LCP is the one that I'm least concerned about the finish. Mine has developed a bit of surface rust that I easily wiped off from time to time. That said, the slide has a few scratches and the frame has a couple dings from being taken in and out my pocket, etc. However it is clean and lubed and 100% functional.

No it doesn't hold up like my Glock, but for sub $300 I'm willing to put up with a bit more required maintenance.

JTQ
August 15, 2013, 08:38 AM
Eezox http://www.eezox.com

Here is a guy putting it on an LCP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFn8wrUPMZ0

MedWheeler
August 15, 2013, 11:43 AM
Glock product is big notch above any pistol Strum & Ruger makes that is why militaries and PDs all over the world use Glocks not Rugers.
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I think the heavy use of Glock firearms you cite is more about their highly-successful marketing strategies than so much about the guns themselves. While they are likely great weapons, Glock has the high-volume output needed to offer mass-purchase discounts and high-dollar marketing campaigns with which Ruger cannot compete. I don't think they are even trying much to.

Regarding rust, my Kel-Tec PF9's blued slide did, too. I replaced it with a hard-chrome one, which is keeping the rust at bay for now.

mgmorden
August 15, 2013, 11:56 AM
I think the heavy use of Glock firearms you cite is more about their highly-successful marketing strategies than so much about the guns themselves. While they are likely great weapons, Glock has the high-volume output needed to offer mass-purchase discounts and high-dollar marketing campaigns with which Ruger cannot compete. I don't think they are even trying much to.

Ruger can produce at a volume exceeding Glock. Don't have the stats handy but Ruger produces more firearms than any other manufacture in the country (even when you include the other guys importing firearms rather than producing them domestically).

The simple fact of the matter is that Ruger simply hasn't heavily pursued military or law enforcement contracts. They make the majority of their money selling to civilians. Glock does too mind you, but they tend to use law enforcement sales as a marketing technique. They sell to LE at deeply discounted prices so civilians will buy one on the premise that "It's what all the cops use so it must be good.".

Just two different approaches from the companies. Glock really doesn't have any competitor to the LCP. Ruger's SR9 guns are closer to Glock's offerings and are all stainless or blackened stainless slides which are just as rust resistant as any Glock (and just as high quality).

I own and shoot both Rugers and Glocks, and honestly the Rugers are every bit the gun the Glock is at about 15-20% less money.

Blue Brick
August 15, 2013, 02:43 PM
The simple fact of the matter is that Ruger simply hasn't heavily pursued military or law enforcement contracts.


Wayyyyyyy not true. Read "Ruger and his guns"

mgmorden
August 15, 2013, 02:57 PM
Wayyyyyyy not true. Read "Ruger and his guns"

That book is 17 years old. Bill Ruger himself has been dead for 11 years. Trust me the Ruger of today is a different company, with a vastly different direction than what the old man wanted. If he was still kicking we'd still probably be getting 10 round mags with the P95 (doubt the SR9 would even exist).

TimboKhan
August 15, 2013, 03:26 PM
I am a noted Ruger fan, but I am gonna say this as a unbiased mod: the second this turns into a discussion about Bill Ruger and what he said and did lo those many years ago, this thread will get locked. As mentioned, Ruger is not the same company today, with the obvious proof being in both the product line and management. Its not because I disagree with the opinion, its because that opinion as a point of discussion is meaningless given Rugers distinct (and welcome by most) philosophical and product line changes in the many years since Ruger himself died.

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Mat, not doormat
August 15, 2013, 05:39 PM
You're PO'd because you didn't realize there was a difference in required maintenance between tenifer and bluing? I'd say you've got a valid gripe, but not against Ruger.

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carbonyl
August 15, 2013, 05:50 PM
Not trying to start a brand war,

Yet there are those gnashing at the bit to do just that.:rolleyes:

Blue Brick
August 15, 2013, 06:08 PM
http://www.ruger.com/LE/index.html

Blue Brick
August 15, 2013, 06:31 PM
Trust me the Ruger of today is a different company

We lost lots of good models and options like the “Old Army” for what….just more of the same that everyone else makes and nothing unique. The bad QC and recalls are embarrassing.

orionengnr
August 15, 2013, 06:38 PM
I've had two LCPs and never had a problem.

I use the Eezox linked to in post 18...check his link to a corrosion test where Eezox does very well. I've been using it since I first saw that test, seven or eight years ago.

It is an exceptional anti-corrosion coating, and is a reasonably good CLP if you just want to use one product. The only downside is finding it. I have to order it and pay shipping, so I try to make it last. As such, I use Ed's Red (google it) for a CL and Eezox for a P. :)

HOOfan_1
August 15, 2013, 07:35 PM
Ummm S&W has had plenty of recalls too....Glock has had some problems which they refused to implement recalls for...please don't play the QC and recall card because it is the same story for most gun makers. Ruger also sells more guns than anyone else.

351 WINCHESTER
August 15, 2013, 08:40 PM
I was greatly disappointed with my glock gen 3 19. It was stovepiping and tossing brass to my face and everywhere else. It only took glock twice to get her up and running. Now I can't trust the pistol so I got a xds in .45 and it is much better for me. By the way I have a lcp and I must be approaching 500 rounds with no malfunctions of any kind and accuracy that amazed me for such a small pistol.

Dave P.
August 15, 2013, 10:38 PM
My daily carry is a Glock 36, about 8 years old. It gets shot a lot
and cleaned ....not so much. No rust and almost no finish wear.
My LCP gets carried mostly when the Glock is too big and when walking
or biking so it gets sweat on it and it rusts. Mostly the mag release
and spring and a bit on the barrel and slide. I'm still happy with it,
it is what it is. Paid $279 for it and about $500 for the Glock.
It bugged me when I first noticed it..... but I got over it.
Someday I might get bored enough to mill out a stainless mag
release....or not.
Dave

TennJed
August 15, 2013, 10:59 PM
Ok if you got all black version the slide oxidizes easily plus slide closes after last empty casing leaves the chamber. Glock product is big notch above any pistol Strum & Ruger makes that is why militaries and PDs all over the world use Glocks not Rugers.

Glock doesn't produce anything nearly as good for hunting as the Super Redhawk. Glock also trails Ruger in single action shooting competition. They have a ways to go to reach the MKIII in 22 accuracy. I don't have a lot of experience with Glock shotguns or rifles so I won't comment on them.

Glock does 1 thing pretty good. Ruger does a lot of things very good. Glock has a ways to go to before it is nearly as good a gun maker as Ruger

GoWolfpack
August 16, 2013, 03:44 PM
Meh. Guns are metal, metal rusts. My PF9 is rusting right this minute, as we speak. I simply do not care.

Glock puts a more protective finish on their guns than Ruger put on the LCP. If you're concerned about the slide, get it ceracoated.

onthehunt
August 16, 2013, 08:53 PM
Precisely why I bought the Nickel Slide Talo edition LC9.

Jaymo
August 16, 2013, 10:11 PM
Tennifer is nothing more than a trade name for salt bath nitriding.
A nitrided finish is harder and more rust resistant than either stainless steel or hard chrome.
The Ruger SR series slides are offered in black nitride or stainless steel.
The original SRs had blackened stainless slides, as opposed to nitrided.
My SR9 slide hasn't rusted or shown any signs of finish wear.

I wish Ruger could replace the bluing on their revolvers with a black nitride finish.

Mike J
August 16, 2013, 10:12 PM
I have a Kel Tec P11 that is blued. If I carry it without taking it out & cleaning it periodically it will rust. Rugers SR series guns are either stainless or a blued alloy steel. The alloy steel guns go through a salt nitriding treatment similar to tenifer or melonite. The process is somewhat different but that is I believe because of the EPA laws. They could not legally use the same process Glock does in this country. The LCP,LC9 etc. are more similar to Kel Tec type pistols than anything Glock makes-2 different animals.

wow6599
August 16, 2013, 11:23 PM
I'm on my second LCP, and my wife also has one. I have never had any problems with the finish, but I don't leave it in a holster (pocket holster) at night, and I apply FP-10 or Break-Free LP every few days. Let it "soak" for an hour or so and wipe dry.

TennJed
August 16, 2013, 11:26 PM
A nitrided finish is harder and more rust resistant than either stainless steel.

I have never heard that before. I know it is tough, but it is more rust resistant than stainless?

Mike J
August 17, 2013, 09:07 AM
Originally Posted by Jaymo View Post
A nitrided finish is harder and more rust resistant than either stainless steel.
I have never heard that before. I know it is tough, but it is more rust resistant than stainless?

My XD has a nitrided finish. About 5 years ago I decided to put night sights on it. In the process of driving the old sights out I damaged a small place in the black finish of the slide. I haven't went to any great pains to keep it oiled or waxed or anything else. It hasn't had a speck of rust on it and it lives in a leather holster. The nitriding process actually penetrates into the metal. The black you see is just a painted on finish over the treated metal.

HOOfan_1
August 17, 2013, 03:17 PM
Salt bath nitriding does produce a black surface layer. I watched an episode of Modern Marvels and the company spokesman for a company that does it even said, "just like the Model T, it comes in any color you want as long as it's black".

Apparently the black surface layer is magnetite and or hematite

http://www.northeastcoating.com/SaltBathNitriding_1.htm

http://www.getit.in/c/frictiontechnologies3/product/3475030/salt-bath-nitriding-and-oxidizing-process/

Here is another one talking about "black nitriding"

http://www.blacknitride.com/whatis.html

herrwalther
August 17, 2013, 04:34 PM
My "light carry" is a blued SR9c. It has seen water, snow and sweat with not a speck of rust. The only thing I have to clean off of it is some holster wear and lint from my jeans.

TestPilot
August 17, 2013, 05:38 PM
Regardless of brand, I told this about gun finish many times before and will say it again.

Blued finish is not better than noting. It's, for all practical purpose, equal to nothing. A steel with equal to nothing finish will rust very easily. It's only a matter of time.

Delford
August 18, 2013, 12:28 AM
YMMV but Wikipedia says that Renaissance Wax is best used on much handled metals as museums do on swords, etc. So +1 on that and priced at $12 on Amazon (So I may spring for some).

ericp1
August 18, 2013, 12:40 AM
Ruger is THE BOMB for stainless revolvers. Not so for semi.
For semi, Glock is the Bargain Bentley. Fewer parts to go wrong than most semi, harder to jam, easier to maintain.

I have Mossy 500 12 ga, Ruger SP101 .357 (favorite gun ever), and Glock 19.
Currently the SP101 gets the bulk of my range time.

gym
August 18, 2013, 11:19 AM
You should be wiping it down at least once a week, if you carry it. I had one in my pocket for a couple of years, with no problem.

Mike1234567
August 18, 2013, 11:51 AM
I agree with the previous Eezox recommendation.

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